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Yes, Lisa.

It's okay.

Hi.

What we're going to do is we're going to have a meeting.

I didn't want to make it yet, but I thought this was a very good opportunity to do that.

I was wondering on that, though, if it wouldn't be more meaningful, even though it is crowded, to do it at the Capitol for a matter of time, you know, breakfast.

Because those women have meetings at the White House all the time.

It isn't a big deal to them.

Well, the thing is, we'll take the big chairs out.

Can you do that?

Can you get the big chairs out of there?

Yeah.

That's what I'd do, is put smaller chairs around.

You want to do that?

Sure.

I think just take all the big chairs out and strike them out.

And pull them into the...

I decided also to invite them.

They can sit around on the outside.

Only the, let's just have the, well, actually, you've got to have Lincoln and McCracken.

But then let's have the assistants.

Don't you agree?

Assistants to the president.

Is that about where you're going to cut off the staff?

Then what do you do about Klein and all that?

Oh, I think he does that.

I don't want to do that.

The other thing I thought we would have would be the agency heads.

Not commissions, but I'm speaking of the Veterans Administration, which has a hell of a lot of money involved in here.

GSA.

It involves all a bunch of things, Bob.

And it's good to get those people in.

AEC.

I have AEC because Leslie is a friend.

You know what I mean?

Too many?

You never get them all in there, William.

You get them in, you've got too much of them, then cut them off.

I'll tell you, just have the cabinet in there.

Let's just have the cabinet without the agency heads.

If you have, you can't have these, you didn't need to have these people's wives, I'll say.

No, that's, uh, no, I actually plan to have it.

If I have it as a state night, I could have had all their wives, too.

And you could have a very good crowd.

Well, let's do that.

That's what I was thinking of having, of having a breakfast.

You have to use an e-table or a... No, a round table.

You can't use a round table.

It'll only go to about 45.

45.

You'd have to go to the e-table.

It's not a good thing.

And I suppose the best thing, because you've got some of their backs turned, you'd have to use round tables.

It's better to not just have the cabinet.

We don't have to have the agency.

So just have the cabinet.

Have them in the cabinet room.

It means more.

And then we can have as many agency heads as makes sense, but only cabinet ones.

Yeah.

Cabinet-wise, if you're going to find an agency head, you've got to have one.

If you've got anything, you've got to hold the record.

It's a record call to speak.

Yes.

It's a record call to speak.

Yes.

They're going to move the astronauts to two o'clock.

Another hell of a time.

Well, they're going to cross.

They don't care.

It doesn't matter.

See, they're seeing the aeronautic committee in the morning, and now the house, we've seen them too.

Well, that's 1230, which is the customary time for State of the Union or anything like that.

They need to 12 o'clock do their coaching business, and then they adjourn.

If the Albert here didn't approve, Albert said, in the note I just got, Albert told McGregor, he said the nation's business comes first.

He had no problem at all with that.

When will the cabinet meeting be?

Friday morning.

Let's hold that for tomorrow.

I think it should be Friday morning.

The legislative meeting should be Tuesday.

Now on the legislative leaders, I think that I'm convinced that those meetings are such a wide topic.

of ranking members of committees.

I was asking to pick up a list so we can see what it is.

Ranking members of committees have very few White House staff.

Just cut the White House staff right down to the bones.

You know, just the ones that have to be there, McGregor, the ones that really need to be built up.

Because those things are such a horrible thing in the ass that whoever has the cover, McGregor, and so on,

But I wouldn't have others.

It would need somebody for the attendance stuff.

Oh, I'll call them in and make a presentation.

We used to do that all the time at the Oxnard.

The people never stayed in the room after the fact that they'd come in and make a presentation and walk out.

I don't know.

I think it was solely an economic thing.

Well, I guess you can't change it.

Sure.

Yeah, well, that's all we care about.

I think we have to just keep shoving it around people's throats.

but I think that on those meetings, Bob, since there's such a waste of time anyway, that we might as well bring in that.

Now, another idea would be to bring in the lowest-ranking member of committees, too.

The highest and lowest-ranking members, so that you get a little more gestation of the younger group at the end, and tell the greater to make up some different things.

If you did that, maybe because he wanted to keep control of himself, if you did that and then interspersed with this, what we're going to do with your meeting with the four leaders, then it would make some sense anyway.

Because the other meeting is kind of ridiculous if he's not a leader and he's...

I don't know if Gilbert was there at this point.

I don't know if Everly would have taken that job.

Yeah.

He probably is.

It sucks that he's not.

This would just take a push in.

All right.

Okay.

Well, we'll all sit down.

This is a two-hour meeting on that.

Right.

And I actually want to follow up on the relationship with the president's initiative on it.

on this monetary field, trade field, and also the need for America to take a direction.

It's a special need for America to be competitive.

We've had a chance to interview you.

We've got some attacks on you every day.

And it isn't just on whose capacity it is that America is not competitive, but it's competitive capacity that America needs.

This is a community that we mine into it.

that the nations abroad, since they've built their plants since World War II, are major shepherds of the world.

That newer plant that we have in America must have new plants.

I'd just like to say, let me say that Joey, in the framework of his relations with the United Arab Emirates, is the ultimate place for the following allied American foreign policy to be considered to be the basic plank in our foreign policy.

These meetings were very productive in discussing some major economic problems

You're not going to participate, are you?

Yeah, right.

All right, fine.

The 1230 time is September 30th.

Yeah, what the hell?

Schultz said, I'm going to take Schultz out today.

He has the productivity, excuse me, report from the connection that he's going to put out today, which will tie in with your speech, with the reference that I've given you in your speech.

Oh, yeah.

Of course, the lead will be your address for your session in Congress.

Oh, sure.

Sure.

Is there any way I've secured to end the speech?

There will be a session in Congress on economic policy, you should say, and tax proposals.

Of course.

This is an economic policy, right?

It will be addressed on economic policy in Congress.

Is he going to cover it?

No, he's not going to say.

Will he announce stage two?

Not even close.

Okay, they did quite a bit of play about the radio department.

Yes, sir, they did.

If he hadn't done that, the whole play, me and the Democratic candidates, on their labor, as it turned out, you topped all of them.

Well, and the written regrets on the television.

Yeah, must have been the television.

No, you did great.

Fantastic broadcast on radio.

And I keep saying how important that is.

I still believe that radio is more important.

And for example, a lot of the locals and what they sent out over their syndicated wire for the TV was they went up to Camp David and took pictures, scene-setting pictures of the Brooks and the Kentucky Mountain sign and the Camp David sign.

And as you spoke, the voices in the background, they showed those scenes.

That's right.

Well, outside we can't.

This is on television.

Yes, sir.

Is that right?

Well, it's local here, but NBC, there's got to be a way to send that out of a syndicated, you know, we'll give NBC a call from the president.

He was very impressed by Holly Frank.

He was very impressed with the technicals, the way that they answered the radio clocks, and he would do more readings on the second campaign.

It was very, very impressive.

I worked out with Ray.

We'll talk to you about it.

I think we have seized from Tom now the very best way to do our radio talks.

And I think we'll just call them talks from Camp David.

In other words, they will be the Camp David service.

And the beauty of that is that I can do them all at Camp David.

And at Ray, of course, we'll get them in a package that neither says to not do this one because it's too much topical.

But you know, if you have a little time to talk to Camp David, even here at the mountain, you have a picture on the cover of Camp David.

And they did a little story in the background about what it was about to stay there, the president of the mountain, top looking surveillant in the world.

It's not a nice touch rather than, you see, rather than Sapphire's idea of the fireside chats or the library or the new fireside chats and so forth and so on.

You see, it gets me.

The thing that I don't think we should do, Bob, is to get away from the things that Roosevelt did, Al Kennedy did, all the things that make sense.

Yes, sir.

Some of these are coming in for a tour plan.

Who gave it out?

some Detroit press, and it probably gets me good at pushing play.

Before that, it says there's just a picture of those garden steps and the president over at the U of A, and they can see the office here.

I'm sorry.

They came up with the other one.

I thought like, I'm going to need for a new economic policy.

And they won.

And they stated to me this morning it was a Freudian slip.

Committee for New Prosperity is what Moore said, or Lewis.

Oh, there's a group for New Prosperity, which is the GNP.

I was amazed that they come up with some great, cute slogans.

For Christ's sakes, freeze.

Whoops, we had more gimmicks last week.

Some of them are some classics.

Should I raise this with...

Thank you.

Any other questions?

One thing the only issue on this is really counter-attacking the Muslim country.

Because as you pointed to the camera, those are big guns, and they fire big shots.

Do you think there's somebody who's going to take them on?

Or at least that we've got to have some kind of defense.

We've done it for the first three weeks and we've hit that pretty well.

All right.

Do you think the administration should do it or do you think our guys in the Hill should do it?

We're not sure that the administration should.

If we can get it done on the Hill, fine, but it won't get played.

It won't do anything for us.

It's worth a try.

Well, if we wind up with...

This is where a little reading ought to start.

I know a lot of reading has come on as the administration's defender now.

Those people serious, serious problem.

Let's say I'll get to do them.

So I think they were worth it.

We took him.

Chris, he was out of when he came back from Vietnam.

He stood back in time today.

And when you do start pressing him hard, he bitches at being forced into things.

You know, I pressed him because you guys were pressing me from the airplane.

I forgot now what it was about.

One second.

I wondered if you felt that this was the time to let it go.

I was just looking at Muskie, and the main thing I was going to mention there is that I think that rather than having

Telling 100 people they ought to do something.

You've really got to get down to three.

Maybe you've got three guys that can make news.

Maybe it's Goldwater.

I don't know who else.

It's time now for Dole.

Why don't you take the buzzer?

be the administration answerer to the Democratic vote?

I don't know.

And I would vote God for it.

I was stuck with this thing.

Scott, is he back?

No, he gets back this weekend.

Well, uh... Well, Griffin...

It's not much of a secret to look at, but I'd look over that ascent and find whatever not cards there are.

What the hell's the matter with Howard Baker?

John Tower.

Tower's a matter.

Tower will go.

Tower will set up for it.

Griffin was very good the last couple of weeks.

Every time we called him, he'd just come back with a remark.

Why don't we get Percy to be a hero?

We've talked to him, and he'd love to help.

All right.

Get him in.

Now, I have a fact.

It must be perfect.

Thanks for both of us.

Now, that he's panicked because of his son in the polls.

That's the way to crack it.

He's panicked because of his son in the polls.

I think answering your first question, Mr. President, I think we should take off back at

try from the hill if he can do it to get back at humphrey and mussy for yesterday's statements i think i'd leave me alone right at the moment he's kind of he really has isolated himself and i think he's on top of it i know he's isolated himself but i think when you've got a good enemy maybe you ought to make him a good man you mean we're going to do something later

He just said, he's out of step.

I think let's hit him again.

Jim Goldwater said, he's just out of step.

He's a great American, but isn't it tragic that he's out of step with 75% of the American people, including 70% of his own labor union members who want this?

You've got to get this, I must say, I guess maybe the person will carry it.

I don't care about now.

That ought to set the price.

Scrap race.

I think it started, I didn't do it, now I live in Connolly, Hudson, or any of our, oh, no, no, no, Connolly, I'm not sure, I've got to get along with them, but we have the conkers, get the nut cutters up there to do it.

I wish we could build up one house, they'll all say, they'll say anything, but if any of them could make a reputation as a name, some of the bench will say, that's what you really need.

I don't know, that's the best one you've got is Bill Shirley.

Oh, sure he is.

He's totally irresponsible.

As it says, horrible things.

Devine will do it, but Devine has done it and gets very little press.

Jerry Ford will do it.

Jerry is...

I took to Jerry several times during the recess.

He's willing to really do battle for us.

The captain thing, I just want to comment on that for a moment.

He doesn't believe it will work Friday because of the Japanese.

He says they've all got dates with the Japanese, so it's not that early to want to get in.

Well, the thing to do is to call and see.

Yeah.

If they have a negative captain, they need to be a cop.

See what I mean?

They certainly aren't going to have anything for that.

Because I didn't have any care for any of the other two students.

I didn't have any care for any of my students.

Yeah.

If you've got to put on these people.

Is this on the economic issue?

the thing that you and Mark Sapphire were kind of longing for.

I don't know if you want to mark things that I wouldn't do, and one of the things I thought in particular that others suggested, you know, based on what I made a couple of notes before that, the one weakness of the program, if there is a weakness, it's the failure to have an outlet.

And another enormous and great weakness is to have me go to the business council.

Now, I know that's a big plan, but if the business council gets on a totally perfect pain in the ass, that will not help us.

They will not do it.

They never do.

It's dirty that I'm not sending them.

I wouldn't even wait to call them.

I mean, those guys have made their decisions, and they're going to do it.

It's better just to build an establishment there.

Maybe Tom has to do it.

I will never be the person responsible for that.

Never.

Never socially or anything like that.

I don't care what it's been, Cambodia, Laos, the economy, labor, education, anything else.

We have never had the business council do anything for us, have we?

No, as an organization, it's absolutely dead on their plans.

I'm interested in you guys, and how our guys handle it.

And about my others and Fred Gordon and others.

My thing goes up.

But why go down to that group of socialites?

who absolutely do nothing.

I think we're just crazy to build them up.

I just leave them alone.

I do the old, I do the NAM, and I'm calling the Chamber of Commerce and the rest.

The tollway slides, I don't remember.

Well, the NAM and the Chamber of both, they...

really been organizing superbly over the last two weeks.

Well, they've got a facility for that, too, where women's groups and lesbians are enormously important.

Here we go.

Now, you've got to, you know, she's a nice old lady and had her move around and make her little speeches on those concerns, and that's great.

I have organized a companion to work on her.

Now, she's pretty good, but it's not really public.

You know about Women's Executives?

The Legion has one.

The VFW has one.

The Rotarians, they have orderians.

The Kalanians, everybody has got Women's Executives.

You've got also the Women's Federation.

The one thing they have on a witness in there is a total wipeout.

The League of Women Voters, they aren't worth a shit.

They are unbelievably bad.

They were the story line.

If they're bad, they're left-wing, they will not end up on our side.

But they also never get them in this office.

Never.

National Federation of Women's Gloves will not be political.

But they'll work by the Senate.

If they ever did, it would be amazing to have them.

It's perceived by the legal employees.

I believe everybody's have the legal employees, which is 95% happening.

or a liberal Republican.

We've tried that job on other occasions.

And all it does, every time I meet with them, is to send all of our right-wing up the wall, and we get no help from these people.

I don't mind somebody at a lower level.

You know what I mean?

You can have Larry A.D. or Jacob or somebody at the fire department, but don't have me here.

You've got to be at the fire department.

Now, I wouldn't suggest you talk to them, but they have...

Their leadership are with us on this particular issue, and if we can use them.

Are they?

But they're not.

All right, come on.

Go get them to see me.

They don't have the base of support the business and professional women do.

The business and professional women would be excellent.

And the general federation.

Well, the federation secretary is a federation member.

There's the American bond system, the women's bond system.

There's American bankers, there's American lawyers, there's doctors.

I had women organized in their professions, but I also had them in their homemaker classifications.

And that is where everything changes.

But I had women going from home.

I had a women's organization.

I reported to them, and I heard them talk about it a little bit, because they were always fighting each other.

I'm going to try to get them on this.

Let them make this a little bit.

Let me say, all in all, that was an excellent analysis.

Excellent analysis.

Your other general thought on it was the need to zero in on a few of those things that we can really do something with, right?

Because it's not such a large smorgasbord, it's all too big.

You couldn't get it all done, you were signing it out.

You sign it off to enough people, and then have somebody at the top that calls them every day and says, what have you got in your project?

20 guys.

But I don't know whether we've got anybody around here with enough time to supervise the 20.

But you've got a lot of young goers around here.

Let them do it.

But if three or four, for example, the one thing that I was, I sat through the Peterson briefing today.

It was very good.

But Bob, we have got to get Peterson to understand what I'm saying.

Now, that is why some of the Congressmen mentioned that it was a little long.

It wasn't too long.

The difficulty, it was too much.

He tries to indicate in every brief that he has thought of every subject.

And he covers it with fiscal speed.

And the only effective readings that are ever made are ones that zero in, two or three, some extreme or sophisticated groups.

You get the others in a very, but you just can't go down unless you've got a really good reading.

It's really an exercise for college freshmen, but it simply does not...

And he proved that he has thought about it, and he has, and it's a goddamn good exercise.

But if he wants to make a sale, he wants to get something through, he's got to zero in on three or four subjects.

You see what I mean?

It's the same problem where you process and write your speech.

I mean, you just cannot zero in on two or four things.

And here, Chuck, don't follow this same pattern where you've got to sit down and any bright guy is thinking of so many good ideas, and maybe one of them works.

I was thinking about it in that respect.

What the hell happened to our volunteer man?

Is he still around?

Oh, yeah.

Has he ever zeroed in online?

Yeah, he's zeroed in on a couple of the, you know, he had, we got him right to the reading, got him zeroed down to four or five, and then all right to read, it's not one that won't work.

Well, that didn't work.

Yeah.

Well, okay, then you've done it, too.

And they've agreed to take on, you know, the youth thing.

And they've got to take on ecology or something in that environmental thing so they can get their money.

But they're good.

He has a point and he's got himself down to it.

I just want him to service some time with something where he gets publicity that he's doing something.

It isn't a problem here that's going to accomplish a whole lot.

But at least the people have got to know that we care about them.

And I haven't seen a word of a volunteer.

Maybe it's because 50 or 80 volunteers went out and picked up the beer cans or whatever they had of volunteers.

That's what he's doing with the student group.

Don't you agree?

Yeah.

And I agree with you, though, if they can.

Just to back up my speech, one thing I'd like to ask you about, Mr. President, we've started the, we're organizing a citizen committee, which most of the pressure and lobby groups that want to work for us on the job development credit will work through, and it's kind of a fun group that is very much like Kennedy had in 62 when he had a couple of thousand businessmen, but they went under a public name rather than

Chamber of Commerce, and I like machine tool people.

To pick this, Mr. President, as sort of the bumper sticker or window slogan, which I think the ceiling was, it had the most universal.

Just a simple stop inflation and the shape of the stop sign.

And we've run this through all of our PR people, plus Hoag Lewis's art men here.

may want to change it to simply say help stop inflation add that one word and the name of the committee is committee for a new prosperity we think has the most universal appeal and this is the

It's not a good idea.

CMT is better and that kind of ties to it too.

This is a very ordinary kind of a thing.

We had 18 different creative designs.

We came back to the simplest as the best in the end.

The only thing I had to try to look at in your memorandum was the negative implications of Scott.

I mean, I feel that, you know, it's the...

looking at it in terms of service clubs everybody else is in terms of building uh this was everyone's objection i see bill sapphire

finally prevail on the grounds that, on the argument that it is negative to say stop inflation.

But that's the side that you are on.

You are fighting to stop inflation.

Yes, that's true.

Well, we aspire to build prosperity.

Right.

Which means building jobs, stopping inflation.

You would say jobs.

Well, that's why we did this one.

Prosperity is everybody's job as a bumper sticker.

It goes with this small logo.

It's everybody's job.

It's not bad.

I mean, that's very good.

All right.

We'll look.

Well, this kind of thing, we thought we would have made up pursuers, where they could put it in their window.

Pursuer supports an interest rate.

Stop inflation.

But you see the number of assets, they're just about thousands.

Oh, I know.

We see a lot of work where department stores and furniture stores and car dealers and everybody else says that President Nixon and Curtis Brothers...

to bring you the greatest bargains in the season.

Mr. President, we support you and your policy and all our cars are being removed from the lot this weekend, whatever the price may be.

You know, they're all right on time to you as a merchandising given.

Well, there's a bank in New Jersey that has a great photograph of you and we've backed you all the way, Mr. President.

Our interest rates are down and they're running out of money for the state.

It hasn't got it.

It's at a time.

It's good.

It's awful.

They just get it moving a little more.

There's a place, Chuck, where you will get not one with a support, be glad it's friends with that.

I know.

Not one of them.

Not one of those selfish bastards will do that.

I must say, I... You know what?

No billion dollar corporation, sir, can do that.

I'll never do that again.

I remember temper in this language.

I just read it in view of the importance of the issue.

President might consider I knew very well you.

You wouldn't consider the business council.

Well, it's perfectly right for it to be suggested as something.

But everybody is all mesmerized with the business council.

They suck around Kennedy, Johnson, the rest.

They suck everything out of government and give nothing back.

They are a total wipeout.

There is one guy in that total wipeout who is a brawler and you've met with him and he

Boy, he's behind you a thousand percent.

It's Bill Keeler, Phillips Petroleum.

He's been running these coupons all over Oklahoma.

We've had 5,000 men last week.

He's a man.

He's a hell of a guy.

And he'll do anything for us.

He's a hell of a guy.

He'll run all...

Yes, he was the president.

He's going to circulate these through his gas stations, which is a great source of getting them out.

The only other thing which the president must regard is the presidential certificate.

Has that...

Come on, Steve.

No, because we've still got to come up with a design.

But the idea, you know, it was in the memo.

The idea is a presidential commendation.

We've now got about 20,000 of those that we know of.

And Moore, when she said... Well, I've got to check John Dean on the seal.

It came up in the United California Bank, which pledged to ove its interest rates for the rest of the year, and they had 400-odd branches, and Vic Moore wanted to suggest that they reproduce them and put one in every branch of it.

And that's the question we have to decide.

No problem.

Mr. President, we have a group of senators lined up to speak tomorrow.

We'll get them to take on Muskie and Humphrey as best we can.

And if that doesn't

get us the ride we want.

I'd like to try that.

We can come back to the three Ms. We got a good ride out of John Connolly's M&Ms.

If that doesn't work, then we'll take a look at having someone within the administration.

I think this is the fact that they're outstretched.

They're outstretched.

The old politics, the old partisan politics, they...

The super-partisans.

All the super-partisans.

Especially the super-partisans, the old politicians.

And, uh, out of step.

Of course, his defense to it was the way in which, you noticed yesterday the papers there, his argument was that the question, are we coming on the poll?

He said the poll doesn't prove a thing because the question was loaded to get an answer that everybody would give.

And then in the very same news story, they printed the exact question, which was not loaded.

And so his argument was that the question was, do you want to stop inflation and create jobs?

Of course, it was not the test.

That's the downside of the trial.

He's both of them.

I know.

He has to come up with something.

He can.

Yeah.

Now, the trial questions, well, the questions were not.

No, of course not.

And Harris's came out yesterday the same.

It was virtually the even better results, as a matter of fact.

Well, of course, Harris, that's something we have now, and it's something that

If the legislation goes through the Congress, those polls will hold up.

That's what people are watching for.

If we get what we're asking for, that's the great thing.

Well, as if we can avoid getting more than we're asking.

Well, it's such an asinine proposal because you take a tax credit for buying something.

Well, obviously, you're going to buy things with any money that you have, particularly low-income tax rates.

Now, obviously, he's reaching.

That's what you got to read it on.

You know, you've got to get off the heart of it.

He came up with a jackass scheme to pair it, airbrake it.

You've got to get some goddamn tough language.

Poorly thought out.

If you have a strategy, you can't just start copying it with a little of the writing on that.

It's got to be much rougher, much more tactile, you know.

Maybe get him on a couple of those.

He'd be very helpful.

Oh, he will.

He's been, as I told you, he gave a whale of a speech up in Massachusetts last week.

Didn't get much press, but it sure turned around a lot of conservative decisions.

Sure does.

Let's have him go speak to Gavin.

I talked to the Vice President's office about that this morning.

His inclination is to ignore it, but I suggest that he at least consider disavowing it.

Reagan did.

Reagan did completely.

The Vice President is opening the governance conference next Monday, which will get a lot of press, and it might be a good place to get back to her.

Muskie speaks the next day to them.

The way the vice president could do it could be in the same way that Reagan did, really, which is a letter to them that doesn't get into disavowing so much as it gets into supporting the president.

Not saying it's a speech or anything, but just a short letter, two or three paragraphs.

Talks about the end.

It gets along well with the Governance.

We're trying to organize it.

We're sending some people down to get supporting statements from Governance.

A resolution perhaps passed for the Governance Conference.

We're certain enough in advance that we have the votes.

Well, you know, we were the majority of the governors politically, but you have a majority on this issue, most of the Democrats.

I don't think so.

You have a majority of the people.

I think what has happened is that both Muskie and Hungry have thought, what the hell can we lose?

Oh.

We've got to take off.

But they won't lose unless they are attacked.

Our guys just aren't good on the attack.

Or maybe they are good, but people don't carry them.

That's not a thing.

They hit them rather than carry them.

They hit them real rough.

Well, they carried the gun.

He attacked on me unless he carried it in his magazines and picked up on television.

I think if we do it right, we can get them.

See how we make out tomorrow.

If we don't, if we're not able to score tomorrow, we will.

Yeah.

We'll come back and... You think there's another show?

There's going to be a lot of focus on the Congress tomorrow.

Yeah, kind of a test of time.

Yeah.

Well, they're all sitting there wondering what's going to happen in Congress.

That's why this address on Thursday is... All right.

It isn't what you say, it's the fact that you're running up there.

Okay, good luck.

I want people to at least, full time, all the time that I've been on this prison.

Oh, I think it's the best ones.

Crack the next one now.

And, uh, if you do question it, we'll do it soon.

There's yours.

It's all trash.

It's a shot.

This has the unadjusted also, which he didn't have.

I realize that you have all brought real dry knowledge.

And here's a picture that the man picks up.

Okay.

Around the world.

We have a plan set up for our new apartments.

And another thing I think would be a good idea would be that Rose goes back to the Senate office.

I just want to send out to those who, well, to a number of people.

I don't know how they're going to do it.

Hey, it's a nice way to get a new picture to touch base with a lot of good old friends.

And I got a difficult date, as I realized, is that a lot of them got those old pictures with their daughter.

I have a health problem.

Well, if you don't sign up for those people, don't do it.

She signed.

Yeah.

Let's be sure we get these ordered properly, because he's done a very good job on them.

I'd like for all they to get together is maybe 30, that's all.

the idea that some of those may be better than what we want.

At least, you know, candid pictures, always got a lot of us, you know, shaking hands with people, evidence, different kinds of things, speaking, and so forth and so on.

But that didn't pay us 30 bucks.

But it's an order we have, so she can look at it.

Is there a view...

I don't know what it was.

And what that would be, in some of the stories, there's been a, well, Oberdorfer had one, and that may be what she saw.

Oberdorfer had a thing where he made the point that, and it wasn't actually bad, although he spoke ways that you had, he was trying to develop a thesis that you have a thing where you lob a bombshell and then you...

disappear and let everybody else run around picking up the pieces.

And then he was trying to analyze that as to, you know, that may be a good strategy or maybe a bad strategy.

Excuse me, I'm talking to Kissinger.

I can't do it.

I'm sorry.

It's totally urgent.

It has to be put on hold.

Right.

You see, it's a constant job.

Sure, it may be that, you know, it's awful hard to keep right up to the mark, but there's no, I just don't think you have, you know, you're going to get sniping, and he did look for anything to snipe at you, but you can't.

With who?

Would you, in preparation for when I call you later in the week or next week, have a positive mention with regard to the Hoover situation and give me a file?

Is there anything I can expect to tell you?

The crime next to this discursion will not do you any good.

Very long, and he's not that young.

It's just, that's what you want.

It still gets back to what Pat wants, what she wants, yeah.

The more anybody else gets into it, the more there's a problem with it.

But I'll sure be glad to do anything.

Anything that anybody does, I think it's got to be done in her, she's got to be excited.

Her direction, Adam.

We're back and settled.

This might be a good time just to raise the question with her as to whether there's anything she would like me to do, or if she'd like to keep her, or if we haven't decided yet.

I just might raise it and say, look, we've got now 14 months until the election.

I want to be sure that the colony is scheduled.

At this time, Bob, you're more regulated than they are.

The Mitchell and Littleton doesn't mean a hell of a lot to me right now, you see.

Well, unless they have something to bring up.

I'd rather not get too much into that, but the economy, I mean, is a great deal.

That's the part I'm going to talk about.

Yeah, but we have a family down in Perth.

We have it down on a tentative time next week, too.

We have it on Friday.

We've got it for Friday afternoon tentatively.

And then we've got it set for next week, too.

All they have are real things.

I like to keep packing when it's out there.

Four or five, three, four or five.

They want to go out.

And it's all, the weather's very radical.

I mean, when I go out and play golf or something like that, say around 4 o'clock, I just wipe off the day and sit.

And, uh, yeah.

That's a special time.

Go ahead, let me try to come up on Thursday.

Thursday, thank you.

That final anchorage is going to be, you know, a real bitch.

I understand.

Sorry.

Because there's no time.

If you know how late at night it is and all.

Because when you get out of there, it's going to be about 6 o'clock, 5 o'clock in the morning.

Correct.

Or we will go to Parkland and spend the night there.

Explore Mansfield very soon.

Let's get at least our options in the current Mansfield and just get back so we can go.

With charges, I feel it's very important to emphasize the big issues.

I say, well, the big issues, but I meant to say

numbers of people to go out and get through.

Big guns filled them up.

Goldwater is another.

Ford is another indication.

And I think that that's really the problem, Bob.

I mean, it's usually kind of far around with Jack Miller and Carl Curtis, you know, and Paul Fannin.

They're all nice guys, but there's nothing being done there.

It isn't worth their while.

I think you've got to get a three or four hatchet down.

Maybe you've got to get a couple other conkers in there.

I can see that one of those guys in the conkers in the rear is hit.

This should be an excellent opportunity.

It's not for no one to have.

You'd think those guys, they certainly seem to look at my goddamn polls.

See, 75% of the people who are with us on the big jump.

You know, they seem to be sort of a, sort of a weak bunch of people.

Yep.

They do.

Let me give you a couple of other briefings.

I...

I think we have a block that basically has to be .

And I think the reason is that you don't have anybody over there who thinks in those terms.

It occurred to me that more could really be getting pumping on that.

For example, in letters, I was interested in .

I heard the radio, and the two things that stuck out in the damn speech, the little radio talk, were the little kind of letter from a woman, a man from Texas who had a schoolteacher wife, and some story about that my father worked in the service station or some damn thing.

Now those things they remembered.

They didn't remember a hell of a lot of other things.

uh i can't get uh i mean i can't get ready this way and i don't get seven in this way none of the speechwriters think this way either it's just i mean i know why they're not that they're just not oriented that way it's the political thing but i think more is would you agree yeah he is i'm obviously giving him a responsibility look here coming to read some of this mail

and to give a good picture of Mayo.

I wanted to just think constantly of anecdotes.

The other area where I really needed to sort of keep up with the stationing and so forth, I wanted to imagine the deal of the Hiller area.

Maybe some type of keys or something like that.

Most of this stuff, 90%, is not usable for us.

On the other hand, we seldom have a gesture as a functionist.

Sometimes they come up with something.

Paul can help on, if you give him a specific thing to give you half of this idea, it's one of which you can use.

And that's what they've got to do, I think, because when they've got you, they've got to get out there.

They've got to give Paul the background on it, because he needs to know that.

Oh, that's good.

She told me that she didn't expect to have anybody.

The man that I think could do the best, because it takes a young man, you know, competing, you know, and there's several of them to do it, is Andrews.

I think Andrews, he writes quickly, and, you know, you're not, this is not a question of writing long speeches, it's a question of a few remarks like, as a journalist, you know,

somebody who does have a gift for writing and writes well, or she does anything like that, they do put, you know, the Andrews or Roy to write them out, where they aren't still doing enough, and that's partly Pat's fault.

Yeah, because, you know, they...

It's really a question, really, of her having the feeling that the contact is at a higher level.

Like, for example,

If she gets a call, basically answers.

If she doesn't know, that's one thing.

If Price, however, says, I'm sending this over, it means a lot more.

And in your case, for example, if you have to do this, if she doesn't pay me, that's one thing.

If she doesn't review it, it's something else.

And so forth.

I think it's really the question of whether she considers it important.

And I think you guys got it.

And another thing I think you could do on this too, I think when Rosie is back, you can make very good use of her anytime she can make calls or something like that.

I've got something here.

I don't know.

I've got some problems.

Take the schedule problems.

Whenever she is the part on the schedule, I think it's very important to take care of it.

Thank you.

Because I just don't have the time to do it.

Where you can, where you just call and give it to them, where we have the time for the schedule.

Or are we going to do that, Alex?

I think that they get the same schedule that all of us do.

When the schedule is put together, I don't know.

That I'm not too sure I'm talking about.

I've already thought about the fact that maybe on Thanksgiving we're invited to go out to California for the purpose of doing this kind of thing.

It's that sort of thing, but I think it's a long range thing that you're considering an invitation to dedicate to the guys in our center.

It doesn't matter if you are or aren't expected or so forth and so on.

It's that sort of thing.

It has to come from a pretty high level.

Paul can help on, if you give him a specific thing, can give you half of those ideas, one of which you can use.

Yeah.

And that's what they've got to do, I think, is when they've got to do it.

They've got to get out there.

They've got to give Paul the background on it.

Because he needs to know that.

Oh, that's good.

Another thing I'd like to grab ahold of is this.

I have spoken to several times about the need to help Pat and eventually Julie Christian on preparing their materials.

She told me that she just doesn't have anybody on her staff who can write, and I'm not surprised.

Hell, it's very hard to find anybody who can.

The man that I think could do the best, because it takes a young man, you know, competing, and, you know, there's several of them to do it, is Andrews.

I think Andrews, he writes quickly, and, you know, you're not, this is not a question of writing long speeches, it's a question of a few remarks like, I don't know if you want to listen to the, the,

I didn't give her a spot, you know, or something like that.

Somebody who does have a gift for writing and writes well.

Or she doesn't.

I bet they do.

But, you know, the Andrews or Roy to write me out, where they aren't still doing enough, and it's partly Pat's fault.

Yeah, because, you know, they're wanting somebody to send this stuff over, and it doesn't, I don't know, she's terribly difficult to work, and I always want to do it, but I think her staff probably have to take off some of it.

It's really a question, really, of her having the feeling that the contact is at a higher level.

Like, for example, with...

I think it's really the question of whether she considers it important.

And I think you've also got to

And another thing I think you can do on this too, I think when Rosie is back, you can make very good use of her.

Anytime she can make calls or say, look, I've got something here, or I don't know, some problems.

Take a schedule of problems.

Whenever she is informed on the schedule of that, I think it's very important to say that, because I just haven't time to do it.

where you can, where you just call and give it to them, where we can talk about the schedule.

Or are we going to do that Alex?

I think that they get the same schedule that all of us do, when the schedule is put together.

I know, I know.

That's what I'm talking about.

I already thought of the fact that maybe on Thanksgiving we're invited to go out to California for the purpose of doing this kind of the other thing.

Yeah.

It's that sort of thing that I think.

the long range then that you're considering an invitation or some of the invitations that have been given to the guys in the power center or on this and that or the other thing.

And that you are or are not expected or so forth and so on.

So that sort of thing has to come from a pretty, you know, high level.

So she feels that I told her to the same thing.

So I get that I will sometimes fail to have a future race and I think it's a

And then you can curse with all the support that you can get through.

And they have it done by people that are considered to be basically assistants rather than by top people.

Because I think that's also something on their own staff.

People get irritated about their, you know, somebody, a kid over there called me about this or that.

Hey, put it in.

Well, they're a bunch of jackasses even.

But that's where they are.

But her staff, her staff, people work pretty well with the people over here now.

It's one of those huge roles for young men.

I think she's going to be a very good weapon, I suspect.