Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on Economic Policy and Public Relations

2:50:23Yes, Lisa.
2:50:23Yes, Lisa.
2:50:23It's okay.
2:51:22Hi.
2:51:45What we're going to do is we're going to have a meeting.
2:51:47I didn't want to make it yet, but I thought this was a very good opportunity to do that.
2:52:02I was wondering on that, though, if it wouldn't be more meaningful, even though it is crowded, to do it at the Capitol for a matter of time, you know, breakfast.
2:52:11Because those women have meetings at the White House all the time.
2:52:13It isn't a big deal to them.
2:52:15Well, the thing is, we'll take the big chairs out.
2:52:17Can you do that?
2:52:18Can you get the big chairs out of there?
2:52:21Yeah.
2:52:21That's what I'd do, is put smaller chairs around.
2:52:23You want to do that?
2:52:25Sure.
2:52:25I think just take all the big chairs out and strike them out.
2:52:30And pull them into the...
2:52:33I decided also to invite them.
2:52:36They can sit around on the outside.
2:52:39Only the, let's just have the, well, actually, you've got to have Lincoln and McCracken.
2:52:45But then let's have the assistants.
2:52:47Don't you agree?
2:52:48Assistants to the president.
2:52:51Is that about where you're going to cut off the staff?
2:52:55Then what do you do about Klein and all that?
2:52:58Oh, I think he does that.
2:52:59I don't want to do that.
2:53:07The other thing I thought we would have would be the agency heads.
2:53:14Not commissions, but I'm speaking of the Veterans Administration, which has a hell of a lot of money involved in here.
2:53:34GSA.
2:53:35It involves all a bunch of things, Bob.
2:53:39And it's good to get those people in.
2:53:41AEC.
2:53:41I have AEC because Leslie is a friend.
2:53:43You know what I mean?
2:53:46Too many?
2:53:48You never get them all in there, William.
2:53:50You get them in, you've got too much of them, then cut them off.
2:53:53I'll tell you, just have the cabinet in there.
2:53:55Let's just have the cabinet without the agency heads.
2:53:57If you have, you can't have these, you didn't need to have these people's wives, I'll say.
2:54:03No, that's, uh, no, I actually plan to have it.
2:54:06If I have it as a state night, I could have had all their wives, too.
2:54:09And you could have a very good crowd.
2:54:12Well, let's do that.
2:54:13That's what I was thinking of having, of having a breakfast.
2:54:19You have to use an e-table or a... No, a round table.
2:54:20You can't use a round table.
2:54:21It'll only go to about 45.
2:54:2245.
2:54:23You'd have to go to the e-table.
2:54:24It's not a good thing.
2:54:30And I suppose the best thing, because you've got some of their backs turned, you'd have to use round tables.
2:54:45It's better to not just have the cabinet.
2:54:48We don't have to have the agency.
2:54:50So just have the cabinet.
2:54:51Have them in the cabinet room.
2:54:52It means more.
2:54:53And then we can have as many agency heads as makes sense, but only cabinet ones.
2:54:57Yeah.
2:54:57Cabinet-wise, if you're going to find an agency head, you've got to have one.
2:54:59If you've got anything, you've got to hold the record.
2:55:01It's a record call to speak.
2:55:02Yes.
2:55:02It's a record call to speak.
2:55:03Yes.
2:55:03They're going to move the astronauts to two o'clock.
2:55:06Another hell of a time.
2:55:11Well, they're going to cross.
2:55:13They don't care.
2:55:14It doesn't matter.
2:55:15See, they're seeing the aeronautic committee in the morning, and now the house, we've seen them too.
2:55:25Well, that's 1230, which is the customary time for State of the Union or anything like that.
2:55:31They need to 12 o'clock do their coaching business, and then they adjourn.
2:55:36If the Albert here didn't approve, Albert said, in the note I just got, Albert told McGregor, he said the nation's business comes first.
2:55:43He had no problem at all with that.
2:55:47When will the cabinet meeting be?
2:55:52Friday morning.
2:55:54Let's hold that for tomorrow.
2:55:59I think it should be Friday morning.
2:56:01The legislative meeting should be Tuesday.
2:56:06Now on the legislative leaders, I think that I'm convinced that those meetings are such a wide topic.
2:56:19of ranking members of committees.
2:56:22I was asking to pick up a list so we can see what it is.
2:56:24Ranking members of committees have very few White House staff.
2:56:27Just cut the White House staff right down to the bones.
2:56:30You know, just the ones that have to be there, McGregor, the ones that really need to be built up.
2:56:39Because those things are such a horrible thing in the ass that whoever has the cover, McGregor, and so on,
2:56:46But I wouldn't have others.
2:56:50It would need somebody for the attendance stuff.
2:56:57Oh, I'll call them in and make a presentation.
2:57:05We used to do that all the time at the Oxnard.
2:57:09The people never stayed in the room after the fact that they'd come in and make a presentation and walk out.
2:57:17I don't know.
2:57:18I think it was solely an economic thing.
2:57:23Well, I guess you can't change it.
2:57:26Sure.
2:57:27Yeah, well, that's all we care about.
2:57:27I think we have to just keep shoving it around people's throats.
2:57:38but I think that on those meetings, Bob, since there's such a waste of time anyway, that we might as well bring in that.
2:57:45Now, another idea would be to bring in the lowest-ranking member of committees, too.
2:57:51The highest and lowest-ranking members, so that you get a little more gestation of the younger group at the end, and tell the greater to make up some different things.
2:58:15If you did that, maybe because he wanted to keep control of himself, if you did that and then interspersed with this, what we're going to do with your meeting with the four leaders, then it would make some sense anyway.
2:58:27Because the other meeting is kind of ridiculous if he's not a leader and he's...
2:58:41I don't know if Gilbert was there at this point.
2:58:43I don't know if Everly would have taken that job.
2:58:48Yeah.
2:58:48He probably is.
2:58:48It sucks that he's not.
2:58:50This would just take a push in.
2:58:58All right.
2:58:59Okay.
2:58:59Well, we'll all sit down.
2:59:00This is a two-hour meeting on that.
2:59:03Right.
2:59:03And I actually want to follow up on the relationship with the president's initiative on it.
2:59:08on this monetary field, trade field, and also the need for America to take a direction.
2:59:14It's a special need for America to be competitive.
2:59:17We've had a chance to interview you.
2:59:20We've got some attacks on you every day.
2:59:23And it isn't just on whose capacity it is that America is not competitive, but it's competitive capacity that America needs.
2:59:34This is a community that we mine into it.
2:59:38that the nations abroad, since they've built their plants since World War II, are major shepherds of the world.
2:59:44That newer plant that we have in America must have new plants.
3:00:19I'd just like to say, let me say that Joey, in the framework of his relations with the United Arab Emirates, is the ultimate place for the following allied American foreign policy to be considered to be the basic plank in our foreign policy.
3:00:38These meetings were very productive in discussing some major economic problems
3:00:49You're not going to participate, are you?
3:01:04Yeah, right.
3:01:06All right, fine.
3:01:08The 1230 time is September 30th.
3:01:19Yeah, what the hell?
3:01:21Schultz said, I'm going to take Schultz out today.
3:01:23He has the productivity, excuse me, report from the connection that he's going to put out today, which will tie in with your speech, with the reference that I've given you in your speech.
3:01:34Oh, yeah.
3:01:34Of course, the lead will be your address for your session in Congress.
3:01:44Oh, sure.
3:01:44Sure.
3:01:47Is there any way I've secured to end the speech?
3:01:49There will be a session in Congress on economic policy, you should say, and tax proposals.
3:01:52Of course.
3:01:53This is an economic policy, right?
3:02:02It will be addressed on economic policy in Congress.
3:02:04Is he going to cover it?
3:02:05No, he's not going to say.
3:02:13Will he announce stage two?
3:02:15Will he announce stage two?
3:02:16Not even close.
3:02:19Okay, they did quite a bit of play about the radio department.
3:02:26Yes, sir, they did.
3:02:27If he hadn't done that, the whole play, me and the Democratic candidates, on their labor, as it turned out, you topped all of them.
3:02:36Well, and the written regrets on the television.
3:02:40Yeah, must have been the television.
3:02:46No, you did great.
3:02:47Fantastic broadcast on radio.
3:02:49And I keep saying how important that is.
3:02:51I still believe that radio is more important.
3:02:53And for example, a lot of the locals and what they sent out over their syndicated wire for the TV was they went up to Camp David and took pictures, scene-setting pictures of the Brooks and the Kentucky Mountain sign and the Camp David sign.
3:03:10And as you spoke, the voices in the background, they showed those scenes.
3:03:16That's right.
3:03:16Well, outside we can't.
3:03:18This is on television.
3:03:21Yes, sir.
3:03:21Is that right?
3:03:22Well, it's local here, but NBC, there's got to be a way to send that out of a syndicated, you know, we'll give NBC a call from the president.
3:03:32He was very impressed by Holly Frank.
3:03:34He was very impressed with the technicals, the way that they answered the radio clocks, and he would do more readings on the second campaign.
3:03:54It was very, very impressive.
3:04:03I worked out with Ray.
3:04:04We'll talk to you about it.
3:04:05I think we have seized from Tom now the very best way to do our radio talks.
3:04:13And I think we'll just call them talks from Camp David.
3:04:17In other words, they will be the Camp David service.
3:04:25And the beauty of that is that I can do them all at Camp David.
3:04:27And at Ray, of course, we'll get them in a package that neither says to not do this one because it's too much topical.
3:04:32But you know, if you have a little time to talk to Camp David, even here at the mountain, you have a picture on the cover of Camp David.
3:04:44And they did a little story in the background about what it was about to stay there, the president of the mountain, top looking surveillant in the world.
3:04:54It's not a nice touch rather than, you see, rather than Sapphire's idea of the fireside chats or the library or the new fireside chats and so forth and so on.
3:05:04You see, it gets me.
3:05:06The thing that I don't think we should do, Bob, is to get away from the things that Roosevelt did, Al Kennedy did, all the things that make sense.
3:05:27Yes, sir.
3:05:59Some of these are coming in for a tour plan.
3:06:00Who gave it out?
3:06:27some Detroit press, and it probably gets me good at pushing play.
3:06:28Before that, it says there's just a picture of those garden steps and the president over at the U of A, and they can see the office here.
3:07:23I'm sorry.
3:08:50They came up with the other one.
3:08:58I thought like, I'm going to need for a new economic policy.
3:09:04And they won.
3:09:05And they stated to me this morning it was a Freudian slip.
3:09:14Committee for New Prosperity is what Moore said, or Lewis.
3:09:23Oh, there's a group for New Prosperity, which is the GNP.
3:09:49I was amazed that they come up with some great, cute slogans.
3:09:55For Christ's sakes, freeze.
3:09:57Whoops, we had more gimmicks last week.
3:10:01Some of them are some classics.
3:10:09Should I raise this with...
3:10:28Thank you.
3:11:07Any other questions?
3:11:08One thing the only issue on this is really counter-attacking the Muslim country.
3:11:13Because as you pointed to the camera, those are big guns, and they fire big shots.
3:11:19Do you think there's somebody who's going to take them on?
3:11:25Or at least that we've got to have some kind of defense.
3:11:31We've done it for the first three weeks and we've hit that pretty well.
3:11:58All right.
3:11:58Do you think the administration should do it or do you think our guys in the Hill should do it?
3:12:04We're not sure that the administration should.
3:12:06If we can get it done on the Hill, fine, but it won't get played.
3:12:10It won't do anything for us.
3:12:13It's worth a try.
3:12:15Well, if we wind up with...
3:12:17This is where a little reading ought to start.
3:12:18I know a lot of reading has come on as the administration's defender now.
3:12:27Those people serious, serious problem.
3:12:29Let's say I'll get to do them.
3:12:33So I think they were worth it.
3:12:39We took him.
3:12:43Chris, he was out of when he came back from Vietnam.
3:12:46He stood back in time today.
3:13:01And when you do start pressing him hard, he bitches at being forced into things.
3:13:12You know, I pressed him because you guys were pressing me from the airplane.
3:13:21I forgot now what it was about.
3:13:25One second.
3:13:31I wondered if you felt that this was the time to let it go.
3:13:39I was just looking at Muskie, and the main thing I was going to mention there is that I think that rather than having
3:13:53Telling 100 people they ought to do something.
3:13:56You've really got to get down to three.
3:13:59Maybe you've got three guys that can make news.
3:14:02Maybe it's Goldwater.
3:14:04I don't know who else.
3:14:07It's time now for Dole.
3:14:09Why don't you take the buzzer?
3:14:15be the administration answerer to the Democratic vote?
3:14:21And I would vote God for it.
3:14:23I was stuck with this thing.
3:14:24Scott, is he back?
3:14:26No, he gets back this weekend.
3:14:28Well, uh... Well, Griffin...
3:14:31It's not much of a secret to look at, but I'd look over that ascent and find whatever not cards there are.
3:14:37What the hell's the matter with Howard Baker?
3:14:40John Tower.
3:14:41Tower's a matter.
3:14:42Tower will go.
3:14:42Tower will set up for it.
3:14:45Griffin was very good the last couple of weeks.
3:14:49Every time we called him, he'd just come back with a remark.
3:14:52Why don't we get Percy to be a hero?
3:14:55We've talked to him, and he'd love to help.
3:14:57All right.
3:14:58Get him in.
3:14:59Now, I have a fact.
3:15:01It must be perfect.
3:15:03Thanks for both of us.
3:15:04Now, that he's panicked because of his son in the polls.
3:15:10That's the way to crack it.
3:15:12He's panicked because of his son in the polls.
3:15:20I think answering your first question, Mr. President, I think we should take off back at
3:15:49try from the hill if he can do it to get back at humphrey and mussy for yesterday's statements i think i'd leave me alone right at the moment he's kind of he really has isolated himself and i think he's on top of it i know he's isolated himself but i think when you've got a good enemy maybe you ought to make him a good man you mean we're going to do something later
3:16:16He just said, he's out of step.
3:16:19I think let's hit him again.
3:16:21Jim Goldwater said, he's just out of step.
3:16:23He's a great American, but isn't it tragic that he's out of step with 75% of the American people, including 70% of his own labor union members who want this?
3:16:35You've got to get this, I must say, I guess maybe the person will carry it.
3:16:41I don't care about now.
3:16:42That ought to set the price.
3:16:50Scrap race.
3:16:54I think it started, I didn't do it, now I live in Connolly, Hudson, or any of our, oh, no, no, no, Connolly, I'm not sure, I've got to get along with them, but we have the conkers, get the nut cutters up there to do it.
3:17:05I wish we could build up one house, they'll all say, they'll say anything, but if any of them could make a reputation as a name, some of the bench will say, that's what you really need.
3:17:17I don't know, that's the best one you've got is Bill Shirley.
3:17:20Oh, sure he is.
3:17:21He's totally irresponsible.
3:17:23As it says, horrible things.
3:17:25Devine will do it, but Devine has done it and gets very little press.
3:17:29Jerry Ford will do it.
3:17:30Jerry is...
3:17:31I took to Jerry several times during the recess.
3:17:35He's willing to really do battle for us.
3:17:38The captain thing, I just want to comment on that for a moment.
3:17:40He doesn't believe it will work Friday because of the Japanese.
3:17:44He says they've all got dates with the Japanese, so it's not that early to want to get in.
3:17:47Well, the thing to do is to call and see.
3:17:51Yeah.
3:17:51If they have a negative captain, they need to be a cop.
3:17:57See what I mean?
3:17:57They certainly aren't going to have anything for that.
3:18:04Because I didn't have any care for any of the other two students.
3:18:06I didn't have any care for any of my students.
3:18:08Yeah.
3:18:09If you've got to put on these people.
3:18:36Is this on the economic issue?
3:18:55the thing that you and Mark Sapphire were kind of longing for.
3:18:58I don't know if you want to mark things that I wouldn't do, and one of the things I thought in particular that others suggested, you know, based on what I made a couple of notes before that, the one weakness of the program, if there is a weakness, it's the failure to have an outlet.
3:19:16And another enormous and great weakness is to have me go to the business council.
3:19:19Now, I know that's a big plan, but if the business council gets on a totally perfect pain in the ass, that will not help us.
3:19:29They will not do it.
3:19:30They never do.
3:19:31It's dirty that I'm not sending them.
3:19:33I wouldn't even wait to call them.
3:19:36I mean, those guys have made their decisions, and they're going to do it.
3:19:40It's better just to build an establishment there.
3:19:42Maybe Tom has to do it.
3:19:44I will never be the person responsible for that.
3:19:46Never.
3:19:47Never socially or anything like that.
3:19:58I don't care what it's been, Cambodia, Laos, the economy, labor, education, anything else.
3:20:07We have never had the business council do anything for us, have we?
3:20:11No, as an organization, it's absolutely dead on their plans.
3:20:15I'm interested in you guys, and how our guys handle it.
3:20:19And about my others and Fred Gordon and others.
3:20:21My thing goes up.
3:20:23But why go down to that group of socialites?
3:20:27who absolutely do nothing.
3:20:28I think we're just crazy to build them up.
3:20:31I just leave them alone.
3:20:33I do the old, I do the NAM, and I'm calling the Chamber of Commerce and the rest.
3:20:37The tollway slides, I don't remember.
3:20:40Well, the NAM and the Chamber of both, they...
3:20:42really been organizing superbly over the last two weeks.
3:20:44Well, they've got a facility for that, too, where women's groups and lesbians are enormously important.
3:20:48Here we go.
3:20:48Now, you've got to, you know, she's a nice old lady and had her move around and make her little speeches on those concerns, and that's great.
3:20:56I have organized a companion to work on her.
3:21:00Now, she's pretty good, but it's not really public.
3:21:06You know about Women's Executives?
3:21:07The Legion has one.
3:21:09The VFW has one.
3:21:10The Rotarians, they have orderians.
3:21:12The Kalanians, everybody has got Women's Executives.
3:21:16You've got also the Women's Federation.
3:21:18The one thing they have on a witness in there is a total wipeout.
3:21:23The League of Women Voters, they aren't worth a shit.
3:21:26They are unbelievably bad.
3:21:28They were the story line.
3:21:30If they're bad, they're left-wing, they will not end up on our side.
3:21:36But they also never get them in this office.
3:21:38Never.
3:21:39Never.
3:21:39National Federation of Women's Gloves will not be political.
3:21:44But they'll work by the Senate.
3:21:45If they ever did, it would be amazing to have them.
3:21:47It's perceived by the legal employees.
3:21:50I believe everybody's have the legal employees, which is 95% happening.
3:21:56or a liberal Republican.
3:21:58We've tried that job on other occasions.
3:22:01And all it does, every time I meet with them, is to send all of our right-wing up the wall, and we get no help from these people.
3:22:07I don't mind somebody at a lower level.
3:22:08You know what I mean?
3:22:09You can have Larry A.D. or Jacob or somebody at the fire department, but don't have me here.
3:22:13You've got to be at the fire department.
3:22:15Now, I wouldn't suggest you talk to them, but they have...
3:22:19Their leadership are with us on this particular issue, and if we can use them.
3:22:22Are they?
3:22:23But they're not.
3:22:24All right, come on.
3:22:25Go get them to see me.
3:22:27They don't have the base of support the business and professional women do.
3:22:29The business and professional women would be excellent.
3:22:32And the general federation.
3:22:33Well, the federation secretary is a federation member.
3:22:37There's the American bond system, the women's bond system.
3:22:41There's American bankers, there's American lawyers, there's doctors.
3:22:44I had women organized in their professions, but I also had them in their homemaker classifications.
3:22:53And that is where everything changes.
3:22:57But I had women going from home.
3:23:00I had a women's organization.
3:23:03I reported to them, and I heard them talk about it a little bit, because they were always fighting each other.
3:23:08I'm going to try to get them on this.
3:23:10Let them make this a little bit.
3:23:12Let me say, all in all, that was an excellent analysis.
3:23:17Excellent analysis.
3:23:18Excellent analysis.
3:23:20Your other general thought on it was the need to zero in on a few of those things that we can really do something with, right?
3:23:31Because it's not such a large smorgasbord, it's all too big.
3:23:35You couldn't get it all done, you were signing it out.
3:23:39You sign it off to enough people, and then have somebody at the top that calls them every day and says, what have you got in your project?
3:23:4520 guys.
3:23:46But I don't know whether we've got anybody around here with enough time to supervise the 20.
3:23:50But you've got a lot of young goers around here.
3:23:53Let them do it.
3:23:54But if three or four, for example, the one thing that I was, I sat through the Peterson briefing today.
3:24:01It was very good.
3:24:03But Bob, we have got to get Peterson to understand what I'm saying.
3:24:07Now, that is why some of the Congressmen mentioned that it was a little long.
3:24:14It wasn't too long.
3:24:16The difficulty, it was too much.
3:24:17He tries to indicate in every brief that he has thought of every subject.
3:24:22And he covers it with fiscal speed.
3:24:27And the only effective readings that are ever made are ones that zero in, two or three, some extreme or sophisticated groups.
3:24:34You get the others in a very, but you just can't go down unless you've got a really good reading.
3:24:41It's really an exercise for college freshmen, but it simply does not...
3:24:48And he proved that he has thought about it, and he has, and it's a goddamn good exercise.
3:24:54But if he wants to make a sale, he wants to get something through, he's got to zero in on three or four subjects.
3:25:00You see what I mean?
3:25:03It's the same problem where you process and write your speech.
3:25:05I mean, you just cannot zero in on two or four things.
3:25:09And here, Chuck, don't follow this same pattern where you've got to sit down and any bright guy is thinking of so many good ideas, and maybe one of them works.
3:25:19I was thinking about it in that respect.
3:25:22What the hell happened to our volunteer man?
3:25:24Is he still around?
3:25:25Oh, yeah.
3:25:27Has he ever zeroed in online?
3:25:30Yeah, he's zeroed in on a couple of the, you know, he had, we got him right to the reading, got him zeroed down to four or five, and then all right to read, it's not one that won't work.
3:25:40Well, that didn't work.
3:25:43Yeah.
3:25:44Well, okay, then you've done it, too.
3:25:46And they've agreed to take on, you know, the youth thing.
3:25:50And they've got to take on ecology or something in that environmental thing so they can get their money.
3:25:59But they're good.
3:26:00He has a point and he's got himself down to it.
3:26:03I just want him to service some time with something where he gets publicity that he's doing something.
3:26:09It isn't a problem here that's going to accomplish a whole lot.
3:26:12But at least the people have got to know that we care about them.
3:26:15And I haven't seen a word of a volunteer.
3:26:21Maybe it's because 50 or 80 volunteers went out and picked up the beer cans or whatever they had of volunteers.
3:26:28That's what he's doing with the student group.
3:27:30Don't you agree?
3:27:37Yeah.
3:27:38And I agree with you, though, if they can.
3:28:08Just to back up my speech, one thing I'd like to ask you about, Mr. President, we've started the, we're organizing a citizen committee, which most of the pressure and lobby groups that want to work for us on the job development credit will work through, and it's kind of a fun group that is very much like Kennedy had in 62 when he had a couple of thousand businessmen, but they went under a public name rather than
3:28:37Chamber of Commerce, and I like machine tool people.
3:28:43To pick this, Mr. President, as sort of the bumper sticker or window slogan, which I think the ceiling was, it had the most universal.
3:28:53Just a simple stop inflation and the shape of the stop sign.
3:29:00And we've run this through all of our PR people, plus Hoag Lewis's art men here.
3:29:06may want to change it to simply say help stop inflation add that one word and the name of the committee is committee for a new prosperity we think has the most universal appeal and this is the
3:29:37It's not a good idea.
3:29:40CMT is better and that kind of ties to it too.
3:30:03This is a very ordinary kind of a thing.
3:30:06We had 18 different creative designs.
3:30:10We came back to the simplest as the best in the end.
3:30:16The only thing I had to try to look at in your memorandum was the negative implications of Scott.
3:30:26I mean, I feel that, you know, it's the...
3:30:30looking at it in terms of service clubs everybody else is in terms of building uh this was everyone's objection i see bill sapphire
3:30:56finally prevail on the grounds that, on the argument that it is negative to say stop inflation.
3:31:04But that's the side that you are on.
3:31:06You are fighting to stop inflation.
3:31:08Yes, that's true.
3:31:09Well, we aspire to build prosperity.
3:31:11Right.
3:31:11Which means building jobs, stopping inflation.
3:31:18You would say jobs.
3:31:21Well, that's why we did this one.
3:31:23Prosperity is everybody's job as a bumper sticker.
3:31:26It goes with this small logo.
3:31:28It's everybody's job.
3:31:31It's not bad.
3:31:34I mean, that's very good.
3:31:35All right.
3:31:35We'll look.
3:32:24Well, this kind of thing, we thought we would have made up pursuers, where they could put it in their window.
3:32:29Pursuer supports an interest rate.
3:32:32Stop inflation.
3:32:32But you see the number of assets, they're just about thousands.
3:32:38Oh, I know.
3:32:38We see a lot of work where department stores and furniture stores and car dealers and everybody else says that President Nixon and Curtis Brothers...
3:32:50to bring you the greatest bargains in the season.
3:32:54Mr. President, we support you and your policy and all our cars are being removed from the lot this weekend, whatever the price may be.
3:33:00You know, they're all right on time to you as a merchandising given.
3:33:03Well, there's a bank in New Jersey that has a great photograph of you and we've backed you all the way, Mr. President.
3:33:11Our interest rates are down and they're running out of money for the state.
3:33:16It hasn't got it.
3:33:17It's at a time.
3:33:19It's good.
3:33:19It's awful.
3:33:20They just get it moving a little more.
3:33:22There's a place, Chuck, where you will get not one with a support, be glad it's friends with that.
3:33:30I know.
3:33:31Not one of them.
3:33:32Not one of those selfish bastards will do that.
3:33:37I must say, I... You know what?
3:33:39No billion dollar corporation, sir, can do that.
3:33:45I'll never do that again.
3:33:50I remember temper in this language.
3:33:53I just read it in view of the importance of the issue.
3:33:57President might consider I knew very well you.
3:33:59You wouldn't consider the business council.
3:34:01Well, it's perfectly right for it to be suggested as something.
3:34:06But everybody is all mesmerized with the business council.
3:34:09They suck around Kennedy, Johnson, the rest.
3:34:13They suck everything out of government and give nothing back.
3:34:16They are a total wipeout.
3:34:18There is one guy in that total wipeout who is a brawler and you've met with him and he
3:34:23Boy, he's behind you a thousand percent.
3:34:25It's Bill Keeler, Phillips Petroleum.
3:34:27He's been running these coupons all over Oklahoma.
3:34:31We've had 5,000 men last week.
3:34:32He's a man.
3:34:33He's a hell of a guy.
3:34:35And he'll do anything for us.
3:34:37He's a hell of a guy.
3:34:38He'll run all...
3:34:39Yes, he was the president.
3:34:41He's going to circulate these through his gas stations, which is a great source of getting them out.
3:34:49The only other thing which the president must regard is the presidential certificate.
3:34:53Has that...
3:34:54Come on, Steve.
3:34:55No, because we've still got to come up with a design.
3:35:00But the idea, you know, it was in the memo.
3:35:03The idea is a presidential commendation.
3:35:10We've now got about 20,000 of those that we know of.
3:35:26And Moore, when she said... Well, I've got to check John Dean on the seal.
3:35:34It came up in the United California Bank, which pledged to ove its interest rates for the rest of the year, and they had 400-odd branches, and Vic Moore wanted to suggest that they reproduce them and put one in every branch of it.
3:35:50And that's the question we have to decide.
3:35:53No problem.
3:35:56Mr. President, we have a group of senators lined up to speak tomorrow.
3:36:02We'll get them to take on Muskie and Humphrey as best we can.
3:36:11And if that doesn't
3:36:23get us the ride we want.
3:36:25I'd like to try that.
3:36:28We can come back to the three Ms. We got a good ride out of John Connolly's M&Ms.
3:36:38If that doesn't work, then we'll take a look at having someone within the administration.
3:36:43I think this is the fact that they're outstretched.
3:36:46They're outstretched.
3:36:48The old politics, the old partisan politics, they...
3:36:52The super-partisans.
3:36:54All the super-partisans.
3:36:56Especially the super-partisans, the old politicians.
3:37:01And, uh, out of step.
3:37:47Of course, his defense to it was the way in which, you noticed yesterday the papers there, his argument was that the question, are we coming on the poll?
3:37:55He said the poll doesn't prove a thing because the question was loaded to get an answer that everybody would give.
3:38:01And then in the very same news story, they printed the exact question, which was not loaded.
3:38:08And so his argument was that the question was, do you want to stop inflation and create jobs?
3:38:14Of course, it was not the test.
3:38:15That's the downside of the trial.
3:38:16He's both of them.
3:38:17I know.
3:38:18He has to come up with something.
3:38:19He has to come up with something.
3:38:20He can.
3:38:21Yeah.
3:38:21Now, the trial questions, well, the questions were not.
3:38:27No, of course not.
3:38:30And Harris's came out yesterday the same.
3:38:31It was virtually the even better results, as a matter of fact.
3:38:38Well, of course, Harris, that's something we have now, and it's something that
3:38:47If the legislation goes through the Congress, those polls will hold up.
3:38:55That's what people are watching for.
3:38:58If we get what we're asking for, that's the great thing.
3:39:02Well, as if we can avoid getting more than we're asking.
3:39:20Well, it's such an asinine proposal because you take a tax credit for buying something.
3:39:24Well, obviously, you're going to buy things with any money that you have, particularly low-income tax rates.
3:39:34Now, obviously, he's reaching.
3:39:37That's what you got to read it on.
3:39:38You know, you've got to get off the heart of it.
3:39:42He came up with a jackass scheme to pair it, airbrake it.
3:39:47You've got to get some goddamn tough language.
3:39:49Poorly thought out.
3:39:50If you have a strategy, you can't just start copying it with a little of the writing on that.
3:39:55It's got to be much rougher, much more tactile, you know.
3:39:58Maybe get him on a couple of those.
3:40:01He'd be very helpful.
3:40:15Oh, he will.
3:40:16He's been, as I told you, he gave a whale of a speech up in Massachusetts last week.
3:40:22Didn't get much press, but it sure turned around a lot of conservative decisions.
3:40:27Sure does.
3:40:27Let's have him go speak to Gavin.
3:40:38I talked to the Vice President's office about that this morning.
3:40:41His inclination is to ignore it, but I suggest that he at least consider disavowing it.
3:40:50Reagan did.
3:40:53Reagan did completely.
3:40:54The Vice President is opening the governance conference next Monday, which will get a lot of press, and it might be a good place to get back to her.
3:41:07Muskie speaks the next day to them.
3:41:12The way the vice president could do it could be in the same way that Reagan did, really, which is a letter to them that doesn't get into disavowing so much as it gets into supporting the president.
3:41:22Not saying it's a speech or anything, but just a short letter, two or three paragraphs.
3:41:34Talks about the end.
3:41:37It gets along well with the Governance.
3:41:46We're trying to organize it.
3:41:51We're sending some people down to get supporting statements from Governance.
3:41:57A resolution perhaps passed for the Governance Conference.
3:42:01We're certain enough in advance that we have the votes.
3:42:05Well, you know, we were the majority of the governors politically, but you have a majority on this issue, most of the Democrats.
3:42:13I don't think so.
3:42:14You have a majority of the people.
3:42:16I think what has happened is that both Muskie and Hungry have thought, what the hell can we lose?
3:42:29Oh.
3:42:30We've got to take off.
3:42:33But they won't lose unless they are attacked.
3:42:36Our guys just aren't good on the attack.
3:42:37Or maybe they are good, but people don't carry them.
3:42:44That's not a thing.
3:42:45They hit them rather than carry them.
3:42:51They hit them real rough.
3:42:52Well, they carried the gun.
3:42:56He attacked on me unless he carried it in his magazines and picked up on television.
3:43:02I think if we do it right, we can get them.
3:43:05See how we make out tomorrow.
3:43:05If we don't, if we're not able to score tomorrow, we will.
3:43:08Yeah.
3:43:08We'll come back and... You think there's another show?
3:43:11There's going to be a lot of focus on the Congress tomorrow.
3:43:15Yeah, kind of a test of time.
3:43:16Yeah.
3:43:16Well, they're all sitting there wondering what's going to happen in Congress.
3:43:27That's why this address on Thursday is... All right.
3:43:43It isn't what you say, it's the fact that you're running up there.
3:44:08Okay, good luck.
3:44:12I want people to at least, full time, all the time that I've been on this prison.
3:44:18Oh, I think it's the best ones.
3:44:19Crack the next one now.
3:44:20And, uh, if you do question it, we'll do it soon.
3:44:34There's yours.
3:44:35It's all trash.
3:44:38It's a shot.
3:44:59This has the unadjusted also, which he didn't have.
3:47:07I realize that you have all brought real dry knowledge.
3:47:14And here's a picture that the man picks up.
3:47:25Okay.
3:47:25Around the world.
3:47:26We have a plan set up for our new apartments.
3:47:30And another thing I think would be a good idea would be that Rose goes back to the Senate office.
3:47:37I just want to send out to those who, well, to a number of people.
3:47:39I don't know how they're going to do it.
3:47:45I don't know how they're going to do it.
3:48:07Hey, it's a nice way to get a new picture to touch base with a lot of good old friends.
3:48:11And I got a difficult date, as I realized, is that a lot of them got those old pictures with their daughter.
3:48:17I have a health problem.
3:48:23Well, if you don't sign up for those people, don't do it.
3:48:28She signed.
3:48:29Yeah.
3:48:32Let's be sure we get these ordered properly, because he's done a very good job on them.
3:48:51I'd like for all they to get together is maybe 30, that's all.
3:49:04the idea that some of those may be better than what we want.
3:49:07At least, you know, candid pictures, always got a lot of us, you know, shaking hands with people, evidence, different kinds of things, speaking, and so forth and so on.
3:49:20But that didn't pay us 30 bucks.
3:49:22But it's an order we have, so she can look at it.
3:49:27Is there a view...
3:49:33I don't know what it was.
3:50:02And what that would be, in some of the stories, there's been a, well, Oberdorfer had one, and that may be what she saw.
3:50:12Oberdorfer had a thing where he made the point that, and it wasn't actually bad, although he spoke ways that you had, he was trying to develop a thesis that you have a thing where you lob a bombshell and then you...
3:50:33disappear and let everybody else run around picking up the pieces.
3:50:37And then he was trying to analyze that as to, you know, that may be a good strategy or maybe a bad strategy.
3:50:46Excuse me, I'm talking to Kissinger.
3:50:50I can't do it.
3:50:52I'm sorry.
3:50:52It's totally urgent.
3:50:55It has to be put on hold.
3:51:00Right.
3:51:54You see, it's a constant job.
3:51:57Sure, it may be that, you know, it's awful hard to keep right up to the mark, but there's no, I just don't think you have, you know, you're going to get sniping, and he did look for anything to snipe at you, but you can't.
3:52:17With who?
3:52:31Would you, in preparation for when I call you later in the week or next week, have a positive mention with regard to the Hoover situation and give me a file?
3:52:35Is there anything I can expect to tell you?
3:52:36The crime next to this discursion will not do you any good.
3:52:38Very long, and he's not that young.
3:53:05It's just, that's what you want.
3:53:08It still gets back to what Pat wants, what she wants, yeah.
3:53:17The more anybody else gets into it, the more there's a problem with it.
3:53:20But I'll sure be glad to do anything.
3:53:23Anything that anybody does, I think it's got to be done in her, she's got to be excited.
3:53:29Her direction, Adam.
3:53:31We're back and settled.
3:53:33This might be a good time just to raise the question with her as to whether there's anything she would like me to do, or if she'd like to keep her, or if we haven't decided yet.
3:53:51I just might raise it and say, look, we've got now 14 months until the election.
3:54:13I want to be sure that the colony is scheduled.
3:54:38At this time, Bob, you're more regulated than they are.
3:54:41The Mitchell and Littleton doesn't mean a hell of a lot to me right now, you see.
3:54:46Well, unless they have something to bring up.
3:54:50I'd rather not get too much into that, but the economy, I mean, is a great deal.
3:54:58That's the part I'm going to talk about.
3:54:59Yeah, but we have a family down in Perth.
3:55:02We have it down on a tentative time next week, too.
3:55:04We have it on Friday.
3:55:05We've got it for Friday afternoon tentatively.
3:55:08And then we've got it set for next week, too.
3:55:11All they have are real things.
3:55:13I like to keep packing when it's out there.
3:55:18Four or five, three, four or five.
3:55:24They want to go out.
3:55:30And it's all, the weather's very radical.
3:55:31I mean, when I go out and play golf or something like that, say around 4 o'clock, I just wipe off the day and sit.
3:55:38And, uh, yeah.
3:55:42That's a special time.
3:55:48Go ahead, let me try to come up on Thursday.
3:55:50Thursday, thank you.
3:56:00That final anchorage is going to be, you know, a real bitch.
3:56:02I understand.
3:56:04Sorry.
3:56:04Because there's no time.
3:56:10If you know how late at night it is and all.
3:56:11Because when you get out of there, it's going to be about 6 o'clock, 5 o'clock in the morning.
3:56:19Correct.
3:56:28Or we will go to Parkland and spend the night there.
3:56:34Explore Mansfield very soon.
3:56:37Let's get at least our options in the current Mansfield and just get back so we can go.
3:57:13With charges, I feel it's very important to emphasize the big issues.
3:57:31I say, well, the big issues, but I meant to say
3:57:42numbers of people to go out and get through.
3:57:46Big guns filled them up.
3:57:49Goldwater is another.
3:57:50Ford is another indication.
3:57:53And I think that that's really the problem, Bob.
3:57:55I mean, it's usually kind of far around with Jack Miller and Carl Curtis, you know, and Paul Fannin.
3:58:03They're all nice guys, but there's nothing being done there.
3:58:05It isn't worth their while.
3:58:08I think you've got to get a three or four hatchet down.
3:58:10Maybe you've got to get a couple other conkers in there.
3:58:14I can see that one of those guys in the conkers in the rear is hit.
3:58:23This should be an excellent opportunity.
3:58:26It's not for no one to have.
3:58:37You'd think those guys, they certainly seem to look at my goddamn polls.
3:58:40See, 75% of the people who are with us on the big jump.
3:58:42You know, they seem to be sort of a, sort of a weak bunch of people.
3:58:44Yep.
3:58:44They do.
3:58:44Let me give you a couple of other briefings.
3:58:58I...
3:59:00I think we have a block that basically has to be .
3:59:03And I think the reason is that you don't have anybody over there who thinks in those terms.
3:59:17It occurred to me that more could really be getting pumping on that.
3:59:23For example, in letters, I was interested in .
3:59:30I heard the radio, and the two things that stuck out in the damn speech, the little radio talk, were the little kind of letter from a woman, a man from Texas who had a schoolteacher wife, and some story about that my father worked in the service station or some damn thing.
3:59:48Now those things they remembered.
3:59:50They didn't remember a hell of a lot of other things.
3:59:53uh i can't get uh i mean i can't get ready this way and i don't get seven in this way none of the speechwriters think this way either it's just i mean i know why they're not that they're just not oriented that way it's the political thing but i think more is would you agree yeah he is i'm obviously giving him a responsibility look here coming to read some of this mail
4:00:21and to give a good picture of Mayo.
4:00:24I wanted to just think constantly of anecdotes.
4:00:29The other area where I really needed to sort of keep up with the stationing and so forth, I wanted to imagine the deal of the Hiller area.
4:00:56Maybe some type of keys or something like that.
4:01:01Most of this stuff, 90%, is not usable for us.
4:01:07On the other hand, we seldom have a gesture as a functionist.
4:01:18Sometimes they come up with something.
4:01:37Paul can help on, if you give him a specific thing to give you half of this idea, it's one of which you can use.
4:01:46And that's what they've got to do, I think, because when they've got you, they've got to get out there.
4:01:50They've got to give Paul the background on it, because he needs to know that.
4:01:56Oh, that's good.
4:02:05She told me that she didn't expect to have anybody.
4:02:31The man that I think could do the best, because it takes a young man, you know, competing, you know, and there's several of them to do it, is Andrews.
4:02:43I think Andrews, he writes quickly, and, you know, you're not, this is not a question of writing long speeches, it's a question of a few remarks like, as a journalist, you know,
4:02:58somebody who does have a gift for writing and writes well, or she does anything like that, they do put, you know, the Andrews or Roy to write them out, where they aren't still doing enough, and that's partly Pat's fault.
4:03:17Yeah, because, you know, they...
4:03:20It's really a question, really, of her having the feeling that the contact is at a higher level.
4:03:30Like, for example,
4:03:39If she gets a call, basically answers.
4:03:42If she doesn't know, that's one thing.
4:03:44If Price, however, says, I'm sending this over, it means a lot more.
4:03:50And in your case, for example, if you have to do this, if she doesn't pay me, that's one thing.
4:03:55If she doesn't review it, it's something else.
4:03:58And so forth.
4:03:59I think it's really the question of whether she considers it important.
4:04:04And I think you guys got it.
4:04:06And another thing I think you could do on this too, I think when Rosie is back, you can make very good use of her anytime she can make calls or something like that.
4:04:12I've got something here.
4:04:15I've got some problems.
4:04:20Take the schedule problems.
4:04:22Whenever she is the part on the schedule, I think it's very important to take care of it.
4:04:29Thank you.
4:04:32Because I just don't have the time to do it.
4:04:35Where you can, where you just call and give it to them, where we have the time for the schedule.
4:04:46Or are we going to do that, Alex?
4:04:46I think that they get the same schedule that all of us do.
4:04:49When the schedule is put together, I don't know.
4:04:52That I'm not too sure I'm talking about.
4:04:53I've already thought about the fact that maybe on Thanksgiving we're invited to go out to California for the purpose of doing this kind of thing.
4:05:02It's that sort of thing, but I think it's a long range thing that you're considering an invitation to dedicate to the guys in our center.
4:05:12It doesn't matter if you are or aren't expected or so forth and so on.
4:05:17It's that sort of thing.
4:05:19It has to come from a pretty high level.
4:05:57Paul can help on, if you give him a specific thing, can give you half of those ideas, one of which you can use.
4:06:05Yeah.
4:06:06And that's what they've got to do, I think, is when they've got to do it.
4:06:08They've got to get out there.
4:06:10They've got to give Paul the background on it.
4:06:13Because he needs to know that.
4:06:17Oh, that's good.
4:06:25Another thing I'd like to grab ahold of is this.
4:06:28I have spoken to several times about the need to help Pat and eventually Julie Christian on preparing their materials.
4:06:38She told me that she just doesn't have anybody on her staff who can write, and I'm not surprised.
4:06:45Hell, it's very hard to find anybody who can.
4:06:51The man that I think could do the best, because it takes a young man, you know, competing, and, you know, there's several of them to do it, is Andrews.
4:07:02I think Andrews, he writes quickly, and, you know, you're not, this is not a question of writing long speeches, it's a question of a few remarks like, I don't know if you want to listen to the, the,
4:07:18I didn't give her a spot, you know, or something like that.
4:07:22Somebody who does have a gift for writing and writes well.
4:07:26Or she doesn't.
4:07:26I bet they do.
4:07:28But, you know, the Andrews or Roy to write me out, where they aren't still doing enough, and it's partly Pat's fault.
4:07:36Yeah, because, you know, they're wanting somebody to send this stuff over, and it doesn't, I don't know, she's terribly difficult to work, and I always want to do it, but I think her staff probably have to take off some of it.
4:07:49It's really a question, really, of her having the feeling that the contact is at a higher level.
4:07:56Like, for example, with...
4:07:59I think it's really the question of whether she considers it important.
4:08:20And I think you've also got to
4:08:25And another thing I think you can do on this too, I think when Rosie is back, you can make very good use of her.
4:08:31Anytime she can make calls or say, look, I've got something here, or I don't know, some problems.
4:08:40Take a schedule of problems.
4:08:43Whenever she is informed on the schedule of that, I think it's very important to say that, because I just haven't time to do it.
4:08:54where you can, where you just call and give it to them, where we can talk about the schedule.
4:09:02Or are we going to do that Alex?
4:09:05I think that they get the same schedule that all of us do, when the schedule is put together.
4:09:10I know, I know.
4:09:10That's what I'm talking about.
4:09:12I already thought of the fact that maybe on Thanksgiving we're invited to go out to California for the purpose of doing this kind of the other thing.
4:09:21Yeah.
4:09:21It's that sort of thing that I think.
4:09:24the long range then that you're considering an invitation or some of the invitations that have been given to the guys in the power center or on this and that or the other thing.
4:09:34And that you are or are not expected or so forth and so on.
4:09:38So that sort of thing has to come from a pretty, you know, high level.
4:09:43So she feels that I told her to the same thing.
4:09:47So I get that I will sometimes fail to have a future race and I think it's a
4:09:52And then you can curse with all the support that you can get through.
4:10:01And they have it done by people that are considered to be basically assistants rather than by top people.
4:10:12Because I think that's also something on their own staff.
4:10:16People get irritated about their, you know, somebody, a kid over there called me about this or that.
4:10:22Hey, put it in.
4:10:23Well, they're a bunch of jackasses even.
4:10:26But that's where they are.
4:10:28But her staff, her staff, people work pretty well with the people over here now.
4:10:33It's one of those huge roles for young men.
4:10:40I think she's going to be a very good weapon, I suspect.

Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on Economic Policy and Public Relations

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