Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 568-006
Date: Thursday, September 9, 1971 at 3:34 PM
Participants: Bull, Stephen B.; Solomon, Ezra; Solomon, Janet Lorraine; Solomon, Catherine; Solomon, Janet; Stein, Herbert; Solomon, Lorna; Richey, Judge Charles R.; Shultz, George P.; White House photographer; [Unknown person(s)]; Carlucci, Frank C., III; Carlucci, Jean Phyliss (Anthony); Carlucci, Karen; Carlucci, Frank C., IV; Carlucci, Frank C., II; Rumsfeld, Donald H.; White House photographer
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/568-006

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[0:15] And.
[0:41] Very pressing now.
[1:09] How are you?
[1:30] Good to see you.
[1:34] Ladies and gentlemen, we will have, sorry, I'm getting a little solemn now.
[2:04] That's all right.
[2:20] You will place your left hand on the bottle.
[2:21] Raise your right hand and repeat after me.
[2:22] I have a problem.
[2:22] I have a problem with you.
[2:23] I'll make it clear.
[2:23] I have a problem with you.
[2:24] I will report it to the United States.
[2:24] I have a problem with you.
[2:25] I have a problem with the United States.
[2:26] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:43] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:45] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:46] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:47] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:48] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:49] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:51] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:52] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:53] That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
[2:54] Thank you.
[3:17] Thank you.
[3:19] Thank you.
[3:19] Thank you.
[3:19] Thank you.
[3:19] Thank you.
[3:23] Thank you.
[3:24] and all the answers that we don't have and there are many that Dr. Solomon has.
[3:32] Thank you.
[3:34] Now, let's get a picture of your family over here.
[4:01] Did you say you saw them?
[4:01] Oh, it's George and Smyrna.
[4:02] Uh-huh.
[4:02] Get another one.
[4:02] Uh-huh.
[4:02] All right, let's go get ourselves, we'll get the balance.
[4:29] Next.
[4:30] Look out, Andy.
[4:35] It's my wife.
[4:35] Oh, it's fine.
[4:37] That's good.
[4:37] That's fine.
[4:37] Very good.
[4:38] And he always likes my stitches.
[4:39] All right.
[4:44] Now, let's see if you roll.
[4:48] So, things you might want to know.
[4:52] It's solid.
[4:52] It's presidential complex, which we're aware he likes.
[4:56] Here's a little pin for you.
[5:01] Doesn't have that presidential seal.
[5:01] You see it here on the floor?
[5:02] There.
[5:02] There it is.
[5:03] Now, I want you to read it.
[5:03] Oh.
[5:03] Oh, wait a minute.
[5:04] This is different.
[5:04] He hasn't yet painted.
[5:23] Oh, he has had practice.
[5:24] And the bracelets are a little bit smaller than you see.
[5:25] They're older, so you can see better.
[5:25] I didn't want to say something fair.
[5:26] And then, judge, you ought to have a fair job on the street.
[5:27] I can spread a little bit of your hair every time, Mark.
[5:29] You can show me your independence.
[5:29] What the President may have forgotten is that when I first came to Washington, the day I got out of Washington was that he was that young man.
[5:33] on the fifth floor of the old house on July 28th.
[5:54] And I was on the fourth floor with Congressman Bolton, who was their legislative council.
[5:55] And after all these years here, this great president of Montgomery and Judd has come back to do that.
[5:58] Isn't that great?
[5:58] State governor.
[5:58] That was 47.
[5:58] Yeah, 47.
[5:59] And then we were back with you from Columbus, Ohio, when you were on the American copy here.
[6:01] Ah, that's right.
[6:01] Yes, I remember with some of the other houses.
[6:02] We were talking about office procedures and day-to-day, but I remember we were just beginning to talk about it.
[6:17] We were just beginning to get into phones.
[6:18] I was on time to be there with John Spark out there.
[6:19] That's right, on Columbus, I remember that day.
[6:21] That was a long time ago.
[6:41] That was five years old.
[6:42] You were younger.
[6:42] You were younger.
[6:42] You were younger.
[6:43] We endorsed that so you could have a copy of it, sir.
[6:44] Oh, here's the pen I'm going to give you.
[6:45] Just doesn't forget that one.
[6:45] I have a box.
[6:46] There.
[6:46] Oh, you have a box to work for with the pen.
[6:47] There you go.
[6:47] There you are.
[7:08] Yes, yes.
[7:08] I'm trying to do the show.
[7:08] I'm trying to do the show.
[7:09] I'm trying to do the show.
[7:09] But we're all together.
[7:10] We go to the school.
[7:10] And they were a very good boy.
[7:11] It's experience, you know.
[7:11] It's terrible when you say, you know, when they're going through it, trying to make new things, and you get in the way of the teachers and all the rest.
[7:15] But you'll never reach it.
[7:15] It'll be terrible.
[7:16] I'm sorry.
[7:22] Yeah, that's for sure.
[7:24] That's where you live.
[7:27] Oh, you live in Georgetown, that's right.
[7:28] Do you like that?
[7:28] Yeah, sure do.
[7:30] Only if I was going to change you, this would be a big change.
[7:56] I'll try to replicate that.
[7:57] I'll say it then.
[7:57] But, um, we're ready to go.
[7:58] Thank you.
[7:58] Thank you.
[7:58] Thank you.
[7:58] Thank you.
[7:59] Thank you.
[7:59] Thank you.
[7:59] Thank you.
[7:59] Thank you.
[7:59] President, this is my law clerk, Peter Dahl.
[8:18] Well, how are you?
[8:19] How are you?
[8:19] Where did you, uh, did you all?
[8:20] Oh, yes, yes, yes.
[8:20] Well, that's, uh, my daughter is a matter of course.
[8:21] There.
[8:22] Are you a golfer?
[8:31] No, I'm not.
[8:37] No, I'm not.
[8:42] No, I'm not.
[8:43] No, I'm not.
[8:46] No, I'm not.
[8:53] Oh, you are.
[9:08] Oh, that's right.
[9:09] Where did you come from?
[9:28] I don't think I'm from D.C.
[9:29] I was raised in Maryland.
[9:30] And I was raised in St. Peter's when she was three years old.
[9:31] You went to the water park there, huh?
[9:32] I think so.
[9:32] I'm sure you went to the water park there.
[9:33] I appreciate it, but I don't think anything has gone wrong.
[9:34] Well, they would have sent you with one of them, but you probably didn't know.
[9:42] Oh, is that right?
[9:54] Really?
[9:54] I'm so glad.
[9:54] This is really great that I came back.
[9:56] That's the end of the debate.
[10:15] Thank you very much.
[10:15] Oh, there he is.
[10:27] There he is.
[10:28] Now, let us know what people are supposed to do to commemorate you.
[10:46] All right, let's go ahead.
[10:47] Frank, come here.
[10:47] I'll get you a sword in here.
[10:48] All right, here it is.
[10:48] Here's my prize.
[10:48] Now, who's ready for it?
[10:49] Frank, three, I guess it is.
[10:50] All right, four.
[10:50] All right, wonderful.
[10:50] All right.
[10:51] There's a lot of people talking about it.
[11:07] I've talked to people about it.
[11:08] It's been a long time.
[11:08] There's a lot of people talking about it.
[11:09] There's a lot of people talking
[11:13] The time is, uh, we'll have to get there first and then we'll get a family picture.
[11:33] All right.
[11:33] Thank you.
[11:34] Thank you.
[11:34] Thank you.
[11:34] Thank you.
[11:34] Thank you.
[11:35] Thank you.
[11:35] Thank you.
[11:35] Thank you very much.
[11:50] We are going to have our Lucy Frank, our Lucy's son, go to the direction of the woman's feet.
[12:09] During the course of the trip, she had to go out and do what she had to do.
[12:10] I don't know if it's true, but I was going to reduce the size of her head.
[12:12] I don't know if it's true.
[12:12] I don't know if she had a new life.
[12:13] I don't know if she had a new husband.
[12:14] I don't know if she had a new wife.
[12:15] I don't know if she had a new wife.
[12:16] He is all aware, if you will, that I will support and deny the Constitution of the United States.
[12:33] I'm calling to say that I will support and deny the Constitution of the United States.
[12:34] Yes, all I'm saying is all I'm going to do is ask you.
[12:36] Yes, all I'm going to say is all I'm going to do is ask you.
[12:37] That I will bear true faith in the leadership of the United States.
[12:38] That I will bear true faith in the leadership of the United States.
[12:39] And I take this obligation to your name.
[12:40] And I take this obligation to your name.
[12:41] Without him, no reservation on purpose on his agent.
[12:42] Without him, no reservation on purpose on his agent.
[12:43] Well, thank you very much.
[13:10] Now it's going to panic.
[13:28] Now it's going to panic.
[13:28] Now it's going to panic.
[13:29] Now it's going to panic.
[13:29] Now it's going to panic.
[13:30] Why don't you put this up on the other side so we don't have one another.
[13:52] I'll be happy.
[13:53] And now, Judge, if you would come in.
[13:53] So when I'm ready to start, I want you to stand there.
[13:59] Now we will have the mother and father.
[14:12] There we go.
[14:13] Now, you got to tell that story.
[14:22] Thank you.
[14:24] All right, now we'll give you a .
[14:46] The men have got .
[14:46] The ladies always get .
[14:48] Thank you.
[15:12] Thank you.
[15:12] Thank you.
[15:12] Thank you.
[15:12] Thank you.
[15:13] Thank you.
[15:13] The money for you is like a giveaway to somebody.
[15:29] Give it to him.
[15:31] Don't make it up.
[15:32] It's a terrible thing.
[15:32] It costs you lots of money, lots of time, lots of money.
[15:34] But it's fun.
[15:35] I'm so glad to have you here.
[15:36] I don't see much of Frank, but every job he did, I mean, years ago, Brazil, he did such a great job there, and then he came up here to the OEO, and he was so effective with that.
[16:03] Now we put him over here, and that's what we call it.
[16:06] I almost feel like this is where I came in.
[16:20] Remember when you came down in Brazil, Mr. President?
[16:22] I was in the process of cutting the embassy by 50%.
[16:25] I got over here to where I'm being with 5% cut.
[16:28] The State Department was, of course, terribly upset by the fact that the Brazilian ambassador was
[16:33] They did this beautifully, but it worked, explicitly.
[16:51] I'm better at this than I thought.
[16:52] It's a great system, you know.
[16:53] Anyway, it's 5% or something.
[16:54] If you add a few cubits, like I already said, I'm going to try everybody to have you.
[16:59] Have you had your first chance?
[16:59] Whatever.
[17:00] It'll probably work, you know.
[17:01] See, schools are done yet.
[17:13] Tomorrow.
[17:14] No, next week.
[17:14] Monday.
[17:14] You looking forward to it?
[17:15] More or less, isn't it?
[17:15] Yeah, you're just starting.
[17:17] But you already know.
[17:17] Oh, yeah.
[17:18] It's always your license.
[17:20] That's what we want, too.
[17:24] Thank you sir.
[17:39] Thank you sir.