{"conversationCode":"569-004","tapeNumber":569,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-569-004","startDateTime":"1971-09-10T16:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-10T16:19:00.000Z","startDate":"10-Sep-1971","startTime":"12:14 PM","endDate":"10-Sep-1971","endTime":"12:19 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On September 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:14 pm to 12:19 pm. 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Burns and Connally\n          -Date\n                -Following Cost of Living Council [COLC] meeting\n\n     Announcement of Phase II\n         -COLC meeting\n         -Follow-up program\n         -Japanese departure\n         -Setting deadlines\n               -Political problem\n                     -Accusations of inactivity by the administration\n         -Previous announcement\n               -End of freeze\n                     -Plans for Phase II\n                           -Follow-up program\n                                 -Official announcement before expiration of Phase I\n         -Setting date for Phase II\n         -COLC meeting\n               -The President's attendance\n                     -Decision on announcement on Phase II\n                           -Connally's announcement\n                                 -Date for Phase II\n         -Announcement on Phase II\n               -Long-range plan\n         -American public\n               -Wage and price controls\n         -Follow-up program\n               -Date for announcement\n         -Timing\n         -Consultations with interest groups\n               -Views of groups\n         -Phase II\n               -Announcement\n                     -Date\n               -Reflection of consultation with business, agriculture, and Congress\n         -Plan ready\n               -Date\n\nConnally left at 12:19 pm.","filename":["569a.mp3","569b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:52:27","tapeEnd":"00:57:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"569-003","nextCode":"569-005","tapeTranscriptFile":"569a.mp3,569b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":3084.83,"end":3085.33,"text":"Is this a new instruction?"},{"start":3085.35,"end":3086.19,"text":"You can bring the lights all the way up."},{"start":3086.21,"end":3086.71,"text":"Is that a new instruction?"},{"start":3086.73,"end":3086.97,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":3159.37,"end":3159.51,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3159.53,"end":3160.77,"text":"I may be dreaming, but I just got the order to reset my screen."},{"start":3160.79,"end":3161.17,"text":"Let me ask you this."},{"start":3215.28,"end":3216.05,"text":"I'm thinking it's a political term."},{"start":3238.24,"end":3240.56,"text":"and that gives you the rights and the freedom to act."},{"start":3240.6,"end":3245.56,"text":"Now, on the other hand, the problem we've got is we've got the political problem that a lot of guys can build up a phony issue and just go right back."},{"start":3245.74,"end":3246.68,"text":"And we aren't thinking about it."},{"start":3246.7,"end":3247.54,"text":"We don't know what we're doing."},{"start":3247.58,"end":3250.57,"text":"Why did we announce that we're not going to go forward with it?"},{"start":3250.64,"end":3250.95,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3250.97,"end":3252.62,"text":"And even more of a lot of particular things."},{"start":3252.64,"end":3255.65,"text":"A lot of you are announcing yesterday that the Supreme Court is going to call that we've got to"},{"start":3277.54,"end":3279.34,"text":"The building is now sufficiently advanced for the exploration waiting for us."},{"start":3279.41,"end":3280.39,"text":"And I think it's sufficiently advanced for us."},{"start":3280.41,"end":3282.03,"text":"And since it's sufficiently advanced, we've got to set a date."},{"start":3282.05,"end":3282.75,"text":"That's why I'm asking."},{"start":3282.77,"end":3283.53,"text":"I think you really have to set a time."},{"start":3283.55,"end":3283.85,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":3283.89,"end":3284.27,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":3284.29,"end":3284.75,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":3284.85,"end":3285.09,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":3317.84,"end":3318.9,"text":"We don't want to leave these people now."},{"start":3318.94,"end":3321.02,"text":"It's rude to raise prices, raise wages, make all these kinds of prices."},{"start":3355,"end":3356.28,"text":"But it's also to keep the American people convinced."},{"start":3356.34,"end":3359.46,"text":"The American people are, as I said at the last meeting, hell, their wage and price controls, period."},{"start":3359.52,"end":3360.04,"text":"And we've got to keep"},{"start":3392.48,"end":3395.94,"text":"But it's got to be set again, and I think setting the date, that is a way of convincing people that there is something, and that's what I think."},{"start":3395.96,"end":3397.36,"text":"There's a magic in saying, on October 7th, we will announce it."},{"start":3397.38,"end":3398.28,"text":"I don't see anything wrong with it."},{"start":3398.3,"end":3399.79,"text":"I think we ought to put ourselves right on the hostage."},{"start":3399.81,"end":3400.75,"text":"I don't see anything wrong with it."},{"start":3400.81,"end":3403.03,"text":"We can certainly do it in time, and it has three advantages to announcing it precisely."},{"start":3403.05,"end":3406.33,"text":"The only thing I was able to think of, and that was, if we don't want to give these people who we're consulting next week,"},{"start":3421.08,"end":3422.47,"text":"The idea that their future..."},{"start":3447.06,"end":3447.26,"text":"All right."},{"start":3447.28,"end":3447.46,"text":"Thank you."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":3083.75,"end":3456,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Secretary of the Treasury John Connally met to coordinate the transition from the Phase I wage and price freeze to the forthcoming Phase II economic program. 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