Nixon, United States Secret Service agents & Haldeman on Public Opinion…

1:18:18We were able to run down after the conference.
1:18:19Yes, what they did was terrifying.
1:18:20They texted to Conley in Texas.
1:18:21They talked to his office.
1:18:43I mean, I just assumed that it would come out of a possibly console.
1:18:44In other words, if I got it, nobody seems to be exactly sure where it came from.
1:18:46That's right.
1:18:46I haven't gotten to staff already, and he had it in his draft, so that's kind of what I'm going to find out.
1:18:48My guess is that it did come out of us, and probably was quite aware of it.
1:18:50He was.
1:18:50Well, no, but I think that he must.
1:19:06The first draft was sent to Connelly.
1:19:07That was Connelly's first draft.
1:19:08Right.
1:19:08With that in.
1:19:08It was sent to Connelly in Texas.
1:19:10He was still then in Texas at that time.
1:19:11He had not been meeting with the Coastal Living Council.
1:19:13So if he was aware of it, he would have been aware of it and then the meeting itself.
1:19:35We made nine on nine.
1:19:40Ray was operating on the assumption, have you done that?
1:19:43And his officer didn't want to bother, didn't want our people bothering him down there, but wanted to get material, and that's how they had done it.
1:19:49So it did go down.
1:20:17you know, and he had the same time.
1:20:37And I remember Greg reminded me.
1:20:37I talked to him.
1:20:38He said he was going to mail it, and I was worried about it at the time.
1:20:39And then he discovered they had one of those text machines in Connie's office in Texas.
1:20:41So his office here sent it to his office there.
1:20:42Good.
1:20:42Good.
1:20:42I like it.
1:20:42I talked to him.
1:20:42I thought he shouldn't think about it.
1:20:43I thought I didn't.
1:20:44And what was the situation on that?
1:21:12Immediately after that.
1:21:48I was supposed to give you a quick report on Illinois based on the comments you had,
1:22:33You just follow along the P's road, and just write a comment.
1:22:35There we go.
1:22:35There we go.
1:22:35There we go.
1:22:54as they're at Google right now, which they're going to release on Monday, and it shows 49, 38, and 13.
1:23:05But, in this poll, they have an intensity rating, which they have not done before.
1:23:07And they couldn't give what the figures exactly, but they'll have it in the bank graph.
1:23:09They said that in March, the President's mild approval rating outweighed the strong approval rating by 3 to 1.
1:23:12That is, with any approval, mild approval was three times as large as approval.
1:23:14At this time, the rating for mild approval and strong approval is 50-30.
1:23:33In other words, the president has not converted people, but he has picked up a great deal of stronger support among those who are foreign, which is what we thought would be the case.
1:23:39They point out that this is probably an early signal that there will be an increase in popularity.
1:23:42They don't find the fact that the popularity has held at 49 from the start, and they feel it exemplifies a good, solid base of support and that it's in a good position to go up.
1:23:48Yeah.
1:23:49Thank you.
1:24:05Well, interestingly enough, it's the same as ours.
1:24:06We took one Tuesday and Wednesday of this week on a wrap-up basis to cover a number of odds and ends that we wanted to get it cleaned up on colon.
1:24:09And approval was 56, disapproval 34.
1:24:09Disapproval went up a little bit.
1:24:10It was 56-31 on August 21st.
1:24:30But it still shows the approval thing the same.
1:24:31We asked, why do you disapprove?
1:24:32And of the 34 who indicated disapproval, 39% of them, which would be 13% of the total, said Vietnam in one way or another.
1:24:35Of the disapprovers,
1:24:55They, such things as before the election, he promised to end the war, and he did until now, only to affect his re-election.
1:25:01He's not sincere in ending the war.
1:25:02He's not bringing the troops back right away.
1:25:04So this proves that 40% are part of Vietnam.
1:25:1126% were on the price-wage freeze specifically.
1:25:13Disapproval of the wage freeze because of the emergency unions keeps us from getting our scheduled raises.
1:25:18I'm against the freeze because it helps the high-income people, but the freeze hurts the individual.
1:25:22That's up to disapprovers.
1:25:22That's only 9% of the people.
1:25:30Then you look at the small numbers, 10% of them said he's just generally not doing a good job, you know, doing too many things that are not being done, not presidential material, not sincere, hasn't kept his campaign promises, he's a bum.
1:25:35But that's 10% of the disapprovers, which is 3% of the people.
1:25:49Then there was another 10% of disapprovers said handling the economy without any specifics, just the economy .
1:25:518% had race relations and civil rights more important than others.
1:25:53Plus, in other words, it's not a big factor on that.
1:25:547% had the employment situation or unemployment specifically.
1:26:146% had, he moved too slowly on the wage price increase.
1:26:16He should have put controls on a long time ago.
1:26:18He had that 7, that 6, to the other 26.
1:26:20Big business is 6%, inflation 5%, taxes 4%, foreign relations 4%, quick to be a non-election.
1:26:24Not doing enough for welfare, 3%, spending too much, 3%.
1:26:40Don't like him, 2%.
1:26:41Too much welfare, 1%.
1:26:42General domestic issues, 1%.
1:26:43He's a Republican, 1%.
1:26:44Thanks to the rich man, 1%.
1:26:45So that's the overwhelming .
1:26:46We have to approve or disapprove of .
1:27:10And that's purple in this book.
1:27:13That's 42-33 with 25 undecided, which is up quite a bit.
1:27:16His approval in June was 44.
1:27:17It's down to 42, which is no change.
1:27:19But his disapproval was 38, down to 33, excuse the muscle.
1:27:23And his don't know has gone for 18.
1:27:25His don't know has been consistently around 16, 18, 19.
1:27:41which is a low for him.
1:27:42He was 42 at Martel, something.
1:27:50And we have some deproved or disproved way President Nixon's dealing with the economic conditions in this country, which he also asked in August.
1:28:00In August, it was 59-31.
1:28:02Now it's 56-32, as he wrote it.
1:28:11do you think these policies treat everyone fairly, or do they favor some groups over others?
1:28:1532% fairly, 52% favor some group.
1:28:18And then of that 52%, what group of groups do you think are favored?
1:28:2356% business, 6% labor, 3% the consumer, 15% the rich.
1:28:29And the rest is just plain history going on.
1:28:37As a result of the new economic policy, how do you feel about the future?
1:28:39A lot more confident, somewhat more confident, no change or less.
1:28:40We asked that in August.
1:28:41And in August, 19 were a lot more confident, 44 somewhat more confident, which was a total of 63.
1:28:42Now it's 13 a lot more confident and 37 somewhat more, a total of 50.
1:28:44So the confidence factor has gone down substantially.
1:28:45And no change has gone up five points, and no less confidence has gone up six points, essentially.
1:29:07That's the result of the equality.
1:29:08The equality versus much other things always have to, uh... Said some literary union leaders have criticized the president's socioeconomic policies.
1:29:15When they do this, as you see there, they're representing the views of the average literary union member, or only their own views.
1:29:2232% versus 21% say the average member of 56 say they're only their own views.
1:29:35And when asked about union members, 32% said average, we have union members, and 52% said only their own views.
1:29:45Over half of the union members said the leaders only represent their own views.
1:29:50We asked the marijuana legalization question and got exactly the same answer.
1:29:5512% showed it was legalized, 84% no.
1:29:58Just precisely the same figures we got in October, the Gallup in October of 69, which is the only other time it's been asked.
1:30:05Then we went into busing.
1:30:09Do you favor or oppose busing?
1:31:30Do you favor or oppose compulsory basis to achieve racial integration in schools?
1:31:32This is a question we asked in December, but we asked the same question in March.
1:31:34In March, 12% favored, 79% opposed.
1:31:48on our poll.
1:31:49Gallup was basically the same in April.
1:31:53On this poll, 17 favors, 73 deposed.
1:31:55So this is a slight shift to favoring busing, but, you know, 17 to 73.
1:32:00But this is interesting.
1:32:01What do you feel is most responsible for the busing of school children to achieve racial balance?
1:32:08Congress, the President, the Supreme Court, or state and local school officials?
1:32:15Congress, 12%.
1:32:18The president, 80%.
1:32:18The Supreme Court, 33%.
1:32:21State and local school officials, 28%.
1:32:24It's very interesting.
1:32:27The president is not being blamed for busing.
1:32:29Now, we ask, in bringing that down, between those who think of busing and those who oppose it,
1:32:40and then who you think is responsible.
1:32:41The Congress states, well, Congress is 8% among them.
1:32:42It's 12% overall state of Congress is responsible.
1:32:44Among those who favor busing, 80% state of Congress.
1:32:46Among those who oppose, 14% state of Congress.
1:33:02On the president, it's 8% right across the board.
1:33:04Favor, oppose, or otherwise, in each segment, 8% of playing the president or the president responsible.
1:33:11Supreme Court, where it's 33% overall.
1:33:14Of those who favor busing, 25% say the court's responsible on 38% of those who oppose busing.
1:33:26So the court is giving a good chunk of the blame amongst the people who are opposed to busing.
1:33:31State and local officials, 41% of those who favor busing give them the credit for it.
1:33:39And of those who oppose, 24%.
1:33:40Which is low.
1:33:44The point there is that the president nobody loves.
1:33:47Nobody gives money to or gives.
1:33:57Yeah, we said President Nixon has said that he does not want plans for school integration to include any more bussing than the minimum required by law.
1:34:06In other words, the President is opposed to school integration plans that require extensive bussing of students.
1:34:13Do you agree or disagree with President Nixon's bussing policy?
1:34:1768% agree, 22% disagree.
1:34:18That's pretty good.
1:34:23Yeah.
1:34:24Dan Blumley.
1:34:29State of your position.
1:34:31But we explained it.
1:34:33Others said you're opposed to school immigration plans that require extensive busing.
1:34:40Targeted immigration.
1:34:44Then you asked about the Nader question.
1:34:46We asked to try to get some trend stuff.
1:34:49Do you feel that it is a tax on American industry?
1:34:51Consumer advocate Ralph Nader has done more good than harm or more harm than good.
1:34:56Harris asked this in March, and he got 53, more good, 9, more harm, 38, not sure.
1:35:02We got 46, more good, 19, more harm, and 35, not sure.
1:35:07We got a little bit higher harm, but it's still much more than 2 to 1, but state does more good than harm.
1:35:24So for the present time, it's no sense.
1:35:27Then we said that Nader's efforts can go a long way toward improving the quality of standard of products and services American people receive.
1:35:34Harris got agreement 64, disagree 4.
1:35:36We got agreement 64, disagree 12.
1:35:39Why disagree?
1:36:10Senator Peters gives a one-sided picture of what American industry does, leaving out many good things that industry does.
1:36:15Do you hear or disagree?
1:36:17Harris got 29, 30 disagree.
1:36:18We got 46 agree, 25 disagree.
1:36:33He says, you know, the answer there is to take on NATO.
1:36:35Right.
1:36:35NATO would not appear to be a good target for direct attacks, also because its supporters come from the more articulate portion of the population.
1:36:39Well, then they probably would.
1:36:52He said, while a third of the public expressed no opinion on Maynard, there it is, those who do have a view rate Maynard's influence largely favorable.
1:37:01Awareness of Maynard and Maynard's activities is related to any kind of education and age.
1:37:05And that's it for now.
1:37:11We said that we asked, in your opinion, have recent strikes and labor troubles seriously hurt the country as a whole, or haven't they had much effect?
1:37:20We've asked this over a period of time.
1:37:22We asked it in November of 67.
1:37:25That time, it was 56 hurt, 34 not much effect.
1:37:29We asked it in December of 70, then it was 64 hurt, 24 not much effect.
1:37:35as it was shifting more to the herd.
1:37:39And we asked it in this fall, it was 69 herd, 22 not much effect.
1:37:44So it's, the tide is going against strikes in the herd.
1:37:48Interestingly, of the union families, 61 herd, 33 not much effect.
1:37:53Of the non-union, 73, 17.
1:37:56They've got a problem.
1:37:57They've got a horrible problem.
1:37:58Somebody said, how would you raise union leaders in this country on living up to their responsibilities to the public's interests as well as to the interests of their members?
1:38:03Would you grade them excellent, good, fair, or poor?
1:38:05In December of 70, they got three excellent, 21 good.
1:38:06They're totally 24 positive.
1:38:0730 times fair, 21 poor.
1:38:08Now it's two excellent and 16 good.
1:38:31The poor.
1:38:34Do you think union demands for higher wages and benefits will cause higher prices and more inflation?
1:38:41Or can companies need union demands without raising prices?
1:38:44And we've got a trend on this on cause higher prices going way back in 66.
1:38:51It was 64-16 that caused higher prices.
1:38:57In July of 67, it was 71-16.
1:39:00In November of 67, 74-17.
1:39:01In August of 68, 68-20.
1:39:04There was a one down.
1:39:06The iron press was in 68.
1:39:10In 69, 67-23.
1:39:11In December of 70, it was 68-22.
1:39:14It's working back up.
1:39:18In this fall, 74-17.
1:39:22It's just very much to, you know, they're going to have us end with Yuki family, 63-26.
1:39:25Then some other, how would you rate the job being done by the next administration to solve the drug problem?
1:39:28Excellent, good, only very poor.
1:39:34Excellent, 5, good, 22, very 26, and poor, 25.
1:39:35This confirms our other question.
1:39:36We're not getting any credit for doing any other drug problems.
1:39:52You know, we, and he says we do it all the time, but we do it every day.
1:39:55I meet with his people, I meet with Schaefer, they meet with us.
1:39:56We do some of the television.
1:40:10It's a uniform low rating.
1:40:40So far during his term in office, President Nixon has traveled to many different cities around the country for speeches, briefings, and various public functions.
1:40:53As you see it, should the President make more trips like these around the country, fewer trips like these, or keep it about the same?
1:41:0622% more trips, 23% fewer trips, 48% the same.
1:41:09It's kind of interesting.
1:41:11You have 70% saying either do as much or more than you're doing now.
1:41:15And only 23% saying you should do less.
1:41:19And we said, do you feel President Nixon takes too much time off for vacations or does the 24% too much time off, 61% not too much time off?
1:41:28I don't think you get any bad rap on that.
1:41:38Do you believe that China should be admitted to the United Nations or should not?
1:41:43There's no change.
1:41:4442 should, 39 should not.
1:41:44That's what it's been for them since this time.
1:41:46Can we ask the, some people say we're dropping behind the Russians in our military power, others say we're keeping ahead.
1:41:51From what you've heard or read, how do you feel?
1:41:56Do you think we are dropping behind or do you think we're staying ahead?
1:42:0736 dropping behind, 42 staying ahead.
1:42:08So, and 22 in the location.
1:42:09We asked in your opinion, is it important for the United States to keep ahead of the Russians in military strength, or does it matter if we fall behind?
1:42:2375 keep ahead, 19 doesn't matter.
1:42:24It's exactly the same thing we've got in Jamesville, 75-17.
1:42:38And the right, that's the conservative issue.
1:42:39But the point is, a public position on we've got to keep ahead of the Russian military is good in the country and will sure be good with the conservatives.
1:42:43Yeah.
1:42:43You know, that drug thing is a real, well, not necessarily a shocker, but it's a sobering thing.
1:42:46Because we've done one hell of a lot.
1:43:03So what happens?
1:43:03People don't see us as part of this because they don't see the drug problem being solved.
1:43:40Maybe it does.
1:43:41We need to do more.
1:43:42There's got to be more show in the arrests where you stage a gun battle with the opium smugglers or something.
1:44:00On the shifts in approval, the approval is 56-56, just what it was in August.
1:44:09But among the teenagers under 20, there's a big drop from 49 to 36.
1:44:16And the 20-year-olds, it goes up from 48 to 53.
1:44:19And the 30 to 50, it goes down from 63 to 56.
1:44:22And the over 50, it goes up from 55 to 61.
1:44:25What that is, is it's 55 to normal.
1:44:30Now this is, before we had an adverse, we had an abnormal pattern.
1:44:34We had the strength among the youth.
1:44:36Now it's gone down.
1:44:39It's going back down.
1:44:41So you're down to a 36 approval among the young people.
1:44:47You have the strong approval of the majority approval and all the rest, 53, 56, and 61.
1:44:55And the pattern is now back to what it used to be.
1:44:58That is, the older they are, the more higher the level of approval.
1:45:04But the 20, what was it?
1:45:05The 20.
1:45:06The age 20 dropped from 49 to 36.
1:45:12What's the next one?
1:45:1320.
1:45:13The age 20s.
1:45:14Okay.
1:45:14The under 20 dropped off.
1:45:17And the 20 to 30, it went up from 48 to 53.
1:45:20In the 30 to 50, it dropped from 63, which was very high, actually abnormally high, down to 56, which is not a big drop, and over 50, from 55 up to 61.
1:45:30The only other shift was a somewhat drop in conservatives from 78 down to 71.
1:45:38There was also a drop in liberals from 42 to 39.
1:45:43There was an increase in the in-betweens.
1:45:50And in the in-betweens, when we pushed the leaners, there was a big increase in the lean conservatives.
1:45:55They went from 58 up to 65.
1:45:56And the lean conservatives did not, of the in-betweeners.
1:45:57There was a big increase in Wallace voters, 50 to 56.
1:46:00No change in next voters and out-of-the-court voters.
1:46:04A big drop in the leaners.
1:46:06Now, this is how they voted in 1968.
1:46:21And at the regional level, no change in the east.
1:46:25A big drop in the Midwest from 60 to 51.
1:46:29No change in the south.
1:46:34A big increase in the west from 47 to 58.
1:46:36A huge increase in the west.
1:46:38Now those may not make sense because what they are again is the return to normal.
1:46:46In other words, the Midwest had gone way up.
1:46:48It had gone from 54 up to 60, and now it's back to 51.
1:46:51And the West had gone way down.
1:46:53It was 56.
1:46:53It had gone down to 47, and now it's back to 58.
1:46:58What is the South?
1:47:00The South is 60.
1:47:02And as he said, each city is down.
1:47:08The East is 55.
1:47:09The East has gone up.
1:47:10The South has gone up.
1:47:10The West.
1:47:11I'm 51.
1:47:15Yeah, and they almost always are, but you're not on this one.
1:47:19Now, these are small chunks, so you've got to kind of add another thing, too, to say those tips are not the problem.
1:47:29They're not very important.
1:47:34On the active breakdown, the rating is related to age, mainly, with the younger groups most critical.
1:47:43Republicans and independents give him a favorable rating.
1:47:44Democrats, unfavorable.
1:47:45And conservatives are the strong supporters.
1:47:47He has a strong appeal in the South and a strong appeal in the West.
1:47:49The economic rating makes the same change as the approval rating does, which may explain it.
1:47:52Because the Midwest went down 10 points.
1:48:11Why would we want the fireworks?
1:48:12Maybe because unemployment is getting better or something, or because they have been down because of it, and they think you're doing something, and therefore are more affected by it than they're not.
1:48:16Okay, well, that's why we're going to try to move the other way.
1:48:18I think Michigan should be able to do it, right?
1:48:19Michigan should be able to do it.
1:48:19Also, we've been in Ohio.
1:48:20They're better than Michigan, right?
1:48:20And Illinois.
1:48:43How long did you do this?
1:48:43September 7th, May.
1:48:44Tuesday, May 7th.
1:48:44This week.
1:48:44Oh, this week?
1:48:44Yeah.
1:48:45I didn't have interest.
1:48:45I didn't have interest.
1:48:46Okay.
1:48:46Yeah, this union problem, he's quite impressed by it.
1:49:12that it's trying to subvert the country and the union demands for higher wages, spur inflation.
1:49:17It says that compared to the earlier trend data, the current figure of 74 is the highest we've observed in six surveys going back to 1966.
1:49:28The fact that union leaders are self-serving is consistent with the earlier surveys.
1:49:38A busting thing, he says, the majority agree with the president's plan.
1:49:42Every subgroup, including Democrats and non-whites, favor the president's point of view.
1:49:52Essential vacations are only a minority of any criticism.
1:49:55As has been observed in other research, the president's regard is highly industrious and energetic, even among Democrats, liberals, and hungry voters.
1:50:01Criticism on vacations is outweighed by the group.
1:50:07Here's the interesting thing.
1:50:08On the presidential trips around the country, a higher percentage of those who favor more trips is found in the east than in the other three sections of the country.
1:50:20Another significant subgroup that favors more trips are capitals.
1:50:35And he concludes, while his final observation favors still remain tied to the president's economic program and the union leaders do not have their members or the public's confidence when they advance criticism, this is not to say that as opposition voices mount in the Democratic Party and the legislature's initiatives, the vote will not become increasingly confused.
1:50:52But at present, there is strong support for the President's program.
1:50:54The strong public recognition of the connection between union demands and high prices and inflation provides leverage for a crackdown on the safety of union power.
1:50:58Correct.
1:50:59We're going to have to get this out of here.
1:51:00Let me crack.
1:51:00Just before the election, we're going to have to...
1:51:21And the Harris stuff, I guess, Chuck Gavey all the time.
1:51:24He gave the Harris's release for money.
1:51:28I think he did.
1:52:57see what is the uh situation our own does show uh some increase in uh we've got say 51 56 basically right up to 56 i
1:53:2350.
1:53:23You were 50 in that?
1:53:24Yeah.
1:53:24What is the situation?
1:53:25What do you think it is?
1:53:25Actually, we were 48 in that one.
1:53:26Well, that was our big hole.
1:53:26Our big first and first hole, 48.
1:53:27That was taken in the great old way.
1:53:28Thanks, Bob.
1:53:28Y'all had a third hand, too.
1:53:28Gallop was 50 at that time.
1:53:29Then he went down
1:53:51We went up to 54 in June.
1:53:52Yeah.
1:53:52And then stayed at 54 in July, went up to 56 in August, and stayed at 56 in time.
1:53:55Yeah.
1:53:56What was the area of the picture in August?
1:53:57What was the analysis on the reverse?
1:53:59I think the rule that may not be is wrong.
1:54:15What do you think?
1:54:16I think that, you know, we hear there's more approval, don't we?
1:54:20Yeah, I think people tell us there's more approval.
1:54:22I think there's stronger approval.
1:54:22Gallup would tell us that.
1:54:24Gallup apparently says that.
1:54:25There's more intensity, as this seems like.
1:54:28They have people who strongly approve.
1:54:31The people who mildly approve have moved to strongly approve.
1:54:34They haven't moved from disapproved to approved, but they've moved from mild to strong.
1:54:43It was 25, 75 before, now it's 50, 50.
1:54:44Not over strong.
1:59:25working on it.
1:59:25If you say it does change with the intrusion, it must, right?
1:59:29Yeah.
1:59:29You know, I think we're expecting change among young people.
1:59:34Motion.
1:59:34Change, sure.
1:59:39They're most affected by foreign policy.
1:59:39I think young people are affected by Russia's little idea
1:59:57particularly because they aren't working yet.
1:59:58They aren't working.
1:59:59And they don't, I don't think it's zeroed in on that they're going to have a tough time working yet.
2:00:01That's particularly the college people, that's true.
2:00:02And I think that, I think really that they, they're sort of getting back to the, that's why I said putting both Rogers and Christopher in the college circuit is better than what it was then.
2:00:06I think we can push them in there.
2:00:23I don't know.
2:00:50It really is.
2:00:51We don't have them traveling around the country, but I mean, we could talk a little about it.
2:00:58But the only part that they're going to be interested in are the warmers.
2:01:02It's really, they need some idealistic level.
2:01:05The only idealistic level we can give them, to be perfectly frank, we can't do it on the race issue.
2:01:09But we sure as hell can do it on the peace issue.
2:01:14I think that's the way, that is our problem.
2:01:16I don't know if anyone has the idea that
2:01:24He went, he says, go ahead.
2:01:25He says, they want to feel what you're seeing.
2:01:30I goes, you got a good why theory.
2:01:35Maybe.
2:01:35Maybe.
2:01:36If you do it in an adult way and not as if you're, I sure don't think you want to.
2:01:42Maybe it's to see them, to see them on the basis of asking them to come to you, not of you going to them.
2:01:45I think you make a mistake.
2:01:45And seeing them by giving in to the university sure proved that.
2:01:47They did win by giving in to them.
2:02:09I can't give in to them now anyway because you don't know what it is they want.
2:02:13They don't know what it is they want you to give in on.
2:02:20I call the economic issue the best thing that's going to happen.
2:02:23I agree with you.
2:02:24It's what happens.
2:04:16The young generation is not materialistic.
2:04:48I think that's the way
2:05:22He went, he says, go ahead.
2:05:24He says, they want to feel what you're seeing there, boys.
2:05:29You got a good point there.
2:05:34Maybe.
2:05:34Maybe.
2:05:34He's doing it in a dope way and not in a secure.
2:05:37I sure don't think he wanted it.
2:05:41Maybe it's to see them on the basis of asking them to come to you, not of you going to them.
2:05:43I think you make a mistake in seeing them by giving in to them.
2:05:45The university sure proved that.
2:05:45They did win by giving in to them.
2:06:07You can't give in to them now anyway because you don't know what it is they want.
2:06:11They don't know what it is they want you to give in on.
2:06:18I call the economic issue the best thing that's going to happen in every city is what happens.
2:06:27Now, where it's very unfortunate, I mean, you've got to have some good numbers.
2:06:34You see, one thing that could have hurt some of the economic issues was the fact that you had another climate figure on Friday, too.
2:06:37You see, that was the kind of really bad news that came in just before you heard of it.
2:06:39I mean, it was talked about over the weekend.
2:06:40Yeah.
2:06:40And they're trying to do this in sort of a boiling period, but there isn't any boiling period now.
2:06:42That was a good poll.
2:06:42It was a good thing.
2:07:06We've got to keep fighting the footnotes.
2:07:07That's why we can't do something.
2:07:08We can't leave until you go back and turn.
2:07:34Right, actually, interestingly enough, it has improved among the people they talked to.
2:07:36Isn't that what it really is, not just some?
2:07:37Yes.
2:07:37The more educated people.
2:07:38Well, and they were really affected by that shift of intensity of approval.
2:07:39In other words, most of the people that they talked to, I mean, they had an IRS.
2:07:41The IRS might say, well,
2:08:09In other words, your friends, which live by, at least for the moment, a lot of our friends.
2:08:12And why?
2:08:12And you've got to...
2:08:13Okay, the China announcement was dramatic, so I'll keep saying that.
2:08:17I'm just, I think the China trip...
2:08:32I think you made it right, seeing it over there.
2:08:37Because of pictures.
2:08:38And the focus that we're presenting also, one was, you know, a few minutes on the air.
2:08:44One was shot.
2:08:44And a lot of other people talking about it.
2:08:47But that's all intellectuals, you know, what's going on and all that.
2:08:51It isn't gut.
2:08:52And gut's up when you're there, and they, you know, whatever the hell you do, the going in and out of the tombs, or they'll get pictures of something.
2:09:01By the way, as Frank said, that was done.
2:09:08That was done.
2:09:11Yeah.
2:09:12You know, it got a lot of, I think you're putting a lot of stuff in the back of the boldness leadership.
2:09:18Yeah.
2:09:18If you go back and look at what we said we wanted to get over, boldness, hardworking president, we've got over it.
2:09:24The fan thing, we've got over it.
2:09:25You think so?
2:09:28But I don't think it's a question about that.
2:09:29It was our age.
2:09:30It was very strong in that time.
2:09:42The leadership thing is now, I think, is where it was in our class.
2:09:46If we took the image poll now and asked those same questions on boldness, leadership, courage, that whole category of things, I think you'd have a quantum leap.
2:10:00Because it's been just drummed in.
2:10:01Well, you don't have to do that.
2:10:02Because we don't get much training.
2:10:03Where we don't get much improvement, of course, is in the war.
2:10:05And I just think that if we could write that up, I'd write it up.
2:10:07I would, too.
2:10:08I think the reason you can't get improvement in the war is for a very deep-seated reason.
2:10:11It is that you are the total mercy of the press.
2:10:27be nice to everybody, you know, on the fence, and I can do this, and we can have all sorts of warm little things, and do things, and write nice letters, you know what I'm saying?
2:10:31Totally okay, this is the kid with the hearing aid.
2:10:32Well, we're going to be doing that, because I think we'll get it, we may fall into that a little bit.
2:10:34A little bit, you know, in terms of creating the impression that there's where the book of this year, or when is it coming out, is it two minutes later than that?
2:10:38The book comes out, it's true, the press,
2:10:53created in 68 in the picture.
2:10:54You remember you said it was cardboard.
2:10:55I mean, totally without a feeling and all that sort of thing.
2:10:58And they do it now.
2:10:59Yeah.
2:10:59And therefore you can.
2:10:59Now, Camden actually was not a warm thought.
2:11:02He was a co-sign of a man.
2:11:03They played this one.
2:11:04They played him as Jesus Christ, you know.
2:11:05You did it with his wife.
2:11:06He played her as this gracious, charming, cultured lady and everything.
2:11:08Christ, she was an idol.
2:11:26And if you have to take your choice of leader, bold, versus warm, courage versus warm, blowable, I don't have any problem with that.
2:11:31I'm not going to go out and do a little thing with myself.
2:11:33But I'm a warm, cuddly thing.
2:11:33I've had enough.
2:11:34The only thing is, the only thing about that is the only way you can get older than this is you're going to be hungry.
2:11:59is your money.
2:12:03In other words, don't let that tell the story, but you don't.
2:12:06In other words, there's where your interviews, like I said, with a one-on-one day, which, of course, every time we have one of those, it picks us up, you know, every time, because for a moment, people get rid of the feeling, and then they forget.
2:12:19Although, I think it's getting, it's getting really, that's why I said yesterday, like, what if we
2:12:27Also, it's dignity, it's power.
2:12:28It's the thing yesterday at Congress, I think.
2:12:32A lot of what affected people there and affected the people that saw it on TV was
2:12:41The bearing that came down that aisle, that's, that's impressive, isn't it?
2:12:44That is the secret of business in prison, and then the escort marching coming down the aisle.
2:12:48But then you standing at that podium, the Vice President, the Speaker, the American flag, that impressive setting, the carving on the wall and all that stuff, and the ovation going on and on.
2:13:03And you stand there, you know, a couple steps back from the podium, and as the president, it clearly means you're the president of the United States.
2:13:13And then you step up, and there you are, the Congress under your thumb, in a symbolic sense, and you're putting it to them.
2:13:22And you did it with great command, and that, all of that, that kind of feeling, I think that's what people are cursing for, that they can't get ahold of things so they want to be sure someone else is.
2:13:30I don't get it.
2:13:30I agree.
2:13:31The illusion of the police.
2:13:32But we can't do it very often, can we?
2:13:34How the hell do we?
2:13:35But I think it goes into that, all of that kind of stuff, like the hard-working president, I think goes into the bank.
2:13:39I think when that's there, it stays there.
2:13:41Unless you do something radical to change it.
2:13:51The bold, courageous, take the big step, I think that's in the night now.
2:13:57I don't think they can get that out.
2:13:58Nobody can come back and say Nixon is a pusillan on his pussy foot or something, and he's afraid to make the big moves.
2:14:05He'd be laughed out of the hall with anything like that.
2:14:09You can say Nixon doesn't follow all of his big moves, but people don't look to that.
2:14:17They aren't looking for a thorough follow-up, man.
2:14:19They're looking to see, has he got the guts to take a step and lead us, you know, come up with who he is and do things like the asylum, lead us on a little earth, yeah.
2:14:31And I think you've got bold and courageous in the back.
2:14:33I think you've got family in it.
2:14:39But the normal course of events will maintain it.
2:14:41Everything, the parade cover, you and Pat got an enormous play last weekend.
2:14:47And they ran the beach, the walking on the beach cover.
2:14:54that somebody else used a while back that the Newsweek used.
2:14:56They ran it as a cover-cover-up parade, and then all the papers and magazines picked it up and ran it again.
2:14:58And we've got, out of that one little set of pictures, we've got just an unbelievable amount of graphics.
2:15:22I would say that Churchill Way, nobody's, at least 1972, nobody's going to forget it.
2:15:27I don't think people will ever forget it.
2:15:29That was just something that is back there that people 150 years from now that saw it on TV will remember.
2:15:38So you've got all those in the bank.
2:15:41Then you've got the negatives, which is that you've screwed up the economy and everybody's in real life without a chart.
2:15:47Now you're either going to cure that or you're not.
2:15:49You've created the impression now that you're cured.
2:15:51That'll hold for a while.
2:15:59And then you've got the mores.
2:16:01And then you've got the building thing of international factory.
2:16:04And that's the one that we've got to bank on most of.
2:16:09the year ahead and then we got it we're going to do because that's the one advantage
2:16:30I was just pushing for the key.
2:17:02Well, he is pushing.
2:17:02He can't pay a price for it, I understand.
2:17:03Yeah, but he has pushed.
2:17:04It has apparently worked so far.
2:17:04Up to this point, you can't tell the line.
2:17:05You can't tell by what line they're coming in.
2:17:06The Russian announcement.
2:17:07The Russian announcement was worth 20 points, so if you lose the 10-point bonus on the 10, I think you're still 10 points ahead.
2:17:09We have a...
2:17:36I need to make this lower.
2:17:36Grr, Kevin, how did you do it?
2:17:3712 minutes.
2:17:37That's the other side now.
2:17:38Now we've got this.
2:17:58They're sure trying.
2:17:59They are.
2:17:59We've got to keep pushing them on it, but they've got it.
2:18:02That's where you do get a lot of mileage, for instance, when you get a Romney who is now, Romney went out and did a good job of trying to sell, but now his evangelistic purpose is screwed up, and so is Lenore's.
2:18:12She got me last night.
2:18:12She was just all cranked up, and so was George, and he just, you know,
2:18:27can be effective as alchemy.
2:18:31When he goes out and much more so than Boakie, Boakie does it well too, but he doesn't overdo it.
2:18:35I guess it's good for some people, but it's not like it.
2:18:38And of course, Conley is just a sensation on a set.
2:18:51You know, that's the real thing.
2:18:52They've got a reliance.
2:18:52We've got big hands.
2:18:53I'm trying to remind yourself to talk about somebody else.
2:18:54These folks have a reliance on you.
2:18:54You see?
2:18:55Talk about the president.
2:19:31I've been working with him on such-and-such and how he does something.
2:19:32You know, that's the game project we're playing, some of those guys.
2:19:34But we've got to keep an eye on him.
2:19:35This shirt doesn't just come our way.
2:19:59If I, uh, if Scoot Jackson's leading us, I'm good enough today.
2:20:00Yeah, I understand.
2:20:01Audience, uh, on the basis of the elections.

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