Conversation 569-011

TapeTape 569StartFriday, September 10, 1971 at 12:58 PMEndFriday, September 10, 1971 at 2:05 PMTape start time01:17:32Tape end time02:21:02ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  [Unknown person(s)];  United States Secret Service agents;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Sanchez, ManoloRecording deviceOval Office

On September 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), United States Secret Service agents, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:58 pm to 2:05 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 569-011 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 569-11

Date: September 10, 1971
Time: 12:58 pm - 2:05 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with an unknown person; Secret Service agents were present at the beginning
of the meeting.

The unknown person and agents left and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 12:59 pm.

     The President's September 9, 1971 speech draft
          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -John B. Connally
                -Memo sent via Dex telecopier
                -Texas
                      -Connally's office
          -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
                -William L. Safire
                -Draft
          -Connally
                -First drafts
                      -Safire
                -Texas
                -COLC
                -Revisions of drafts
          -Price
                -Staff
          -Connally
          -Reporters
          -Drafts
          -Connally's office
                -Transmission of text via Dex system
                      -Texas
          -The President's forthcoming meeting

     The President's schedule
          -COLC meeting
               -Time
          -Meeting with Arthur F. Burns
          -Meeting with Paul W. McCracken
          -Meeting with John D. Ehrlichman
          -Meeting with Donald H. Rumsfeld
               -Attendance at Governors' Conference
               -Report on Illinois

     White House worship service

        -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
        -Invitations
              -Congress
        -Graham
              -Forthcoming call from Haldeman
              -Lunch invitation

Polls
        -George H. Gallup
             -Approval rate
                   -Release date
             -Intensity rate
                   -Approval rate
             -Popularity
        -Louis P. Harris
        -White House poll
             -Approval rate
             -Disapproval rate
                   -Reasons
                         -Vietnam War
                               -Troop withdrawal
                         -Wage and price freeze
                         -Economy
                         -Civil rights and race relations
                               -Busing
                         -Unemployment
                         -Wage and price freeze
                         -Favored big business
                         -Inflation
                         -Taxes
                         -Foreign relations
                               -Vietnam election
                         -Welfare
                         -Spending
                         -Reaction to incumbent
             -Spiro T. Agnew
                   -Approval rate
                   -Disapproval rate
                   -Undecided
             -Economic conditions
                   -Approval rate

                     -Disapproval rate
                -The President's new economic policies
                     -Fairness of policies
                           -Rates
                                 -Favored groups
                                       -Business
                                       -Labor
                                       -Consumer
                                       -Wealthy
                     -Confidence in the future
                           -Rates
                     -Criticism of the President's economic policies
                           -Labor union leaders
                                 -Views of union members
                                       -Rates
                -Legalization of marijuana
                     -In favor
                     -Against
                           -Rates
                                 -Gallup poll
                                       -October 1969
                -Busing issue

     Refreshment
          -Manolo Sanchez
              -Coffee

The President left and Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:59 pm.

     Refreshments

Sanchez left and the President entered at an unknown time before 2:05 pm.

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:59 pm.

[Delivery of refreshments]

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:05 pm.

     White House poll
          -Busing

     -Gallup poll
     -In favor
     -Against
           -Rates
                 -Changes
     -Responsibility for busing
           -Congress
           -President
           -Supreme Court
           -State and local school officials
     -Analysis of rates
-School integration
     -Busing
           -Minimum required by law
                 -Agreed
                 -Disagreed
-School integration plan
     -Extensive busing
           -Required
-Ralph Nader
     -Effectiveness
           -American industry
           -Consumers
                 -Harris poll
                 -White House poll
                       -Comparisons between results
     -Improve quality of services
           -Harris poll
                 -Compared to White House poll
     -Popularity
     -Representation of American industry
           -Fairness
                 -Agreed
                 -Disagreed
                       -Harris poll
                       -White House poll
     -Interpretation of results of polls
           -Harmful to attack Nader
                 -Nader's supporters
                       -Nader's influence
                 -Income

                -Education
                -Age
-Labor issue
     -Effect on US
           -1967
           -1970
           -1971
                 -Changes in popular feelings
                       -Against strikes
                            -Response from union and non-union families
                                   -Comparison
     -Labor union leaders
           -Position
           -Leaders
                 -Excellent
                 -Good
                 -Fair
                 -Poor
-Labor unions
     -Public attitude
     -Demands for higher wages
           -Produce higher prices
                 -1966
                 -1967
                 -1968
                 -1969
                 -1970
                 -1971
                       -Overall trend in figures
                            -Union families
-Nixon administration's drug traffic controls
     -Evaluation
           -Public
                 -Television
                 -Media
                 -Meeting small groups
           -Public perceptions
           -Uniform low rate
-Copies of results
     -Ehrlichman
     -Charles W. Colson

                -Labor
     -The President's trips
          -The President's vacations
     -People's Republic of China [PRC]
          -Admittance to United Nations [UN]
     -US military capability
          -Comparison to the Soviet Union
          -US military superiority
                -Importance of issue
                -Maintaining US superiority
          -Focus of issue
          -Conservative issue
          -Public opinion
                -US military superiority over the Soviet Union

Drug control policy
     -Administration's efforts
           -Public relations
     -Ehrlichman
     -Colson
     -Public perception
           -Drug problem unsolved
     -Different approach by administration

White House poll
     -Approval rate for the President
          -Shift of rates
          -By age group
                -Teenagers
                -Young adults
                -Adults
                -Elderly
          -Changes in rates
                -Majority
                      -Patterns
                -Drop in conservatives
                -Drop in liberals
                -Increases
                      -Middle-of-the-road
                      -George C. Wallace 1968 voters
                      -Nixon voters

                      -Hubert H. Humphrey's 1968 supporters
           -Regional voting patterns
                -East
                -Midwest
                      -Drop
                -South
                -West
                      -Increase
           -Return to normal
                -By region
           -Breakdown of Agnew poll
                -Rate related to age
                      -Youth
                -Republicans and Independents
                      -Approval rate
                -Democrats
                      -Unfavorable
                -Conservatives
                      -Strong supporters
                -Regional support
                      -Wallace

Other polls
     -Economic rating
            -Breakdown
                 -Similar to approval rate
                      -By regions
                             -Midwest
                                  -Decrease
                             -Far West
                                  -Increase
                                        -Lower unemployment
                             -Midwest
                                  -Michigan
                                        -The President's appearance
                                             -Ohio
                                             -Illinois
                                             -Effect on poll
                                                   -Date of poll
            -Unions
                 -Harris poll

                -Higher wages
                      -Inflation
                      -Current figures
                -Union leaders
     -Busing issues
          -Public opinion
                -Majority in agreement with the President's plan
                      -Democrats
                      -Non-whites
     -The President's vacation
          -Minority
                -Criticism
          -Other polls
                -The President
                      -Democrats, Liberals, and Humphrey supporters
          -The President's trips in the US
                -Increase number of trips
                      -East
                      -Catholics
                      -Republicans
     -Economic programs
          -Approval rate high
          -Union leaders
                -Lack of support from unions' members or public
          -Opposition
                -Democrat Party
          -Public support
                -Unions' demands
                -Higher prices
                -Inflation
                      -Crackdown
          -Administration's action
                -Election time

Harris poll
     -Colson
     -Release date

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    Comparison of Harris and White House polls
        -White House polls
             -Increase
                   -Support for the President
        -Gallup poll
        -White House poll
        -Approval rate
        -Gallup
             -Changes in nature of approval

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    The President's approval rate
         -Breakdown by age
         -Youth
              -The President's trip to the PRC
              -Foreign policy
              -Soviet Union

          -Economy
                -Employment
                -College students
          -Appeal of speakers on campus
                -William P. Rogers
                -Henry A. Kissinger
                -Peter G. Peterson
          -Materialism
          -Idealism
                -Racial issue
                -Peace issue
          -Ehrlichman
                -Understanding youth's goals
          -Approach by the President
          -Scranton Committee
          -Universities

The economy
     -Public support
     -Unemployment
          -Harmful effect of statistical release
     -White House poll
     -The President's conversation with Connally
          -Follow-up programs

The President's approval rating
     -Improvement
     -Intensity of approval
           -Kenneth T. Norris
     -PRC trip
           -Compared to announcement
                 -Photographs
                 -News coverage
     -Wage and price freeze
           -Action
     -Boldness
     -Leadership
     -Hard work
     -Family man
           -Poll
     -Warmth

             -Lack of improvement in polls
             -Press
             -The President's actions
                  -Speeches
                  -Appearances
                  -Public relations
                        -Handicapped

Press
        -The President's public image
             -Forthcoming publication of book [by Edith Efron]
                   -1968 campaign
        -John F. Kennedy
        -Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

Public relations
     -Perception of the President
            -Leadership compared to warmth
     -Interviews
            -Effect
     -The President's public appearances
            -The President's speech, September 9, 1971
                 -Television audience
                       -The President's demeanor
                             -Podium
                             -Vice President [Agnew]
                             -Speaker of the House of Representatives [Carl B. Albert]
                             -American flag
                             -Ovation
                             -Congress
                 -Public need
     -The President's public image
            -American public
                 -Leadership
                       -Messiah
                 -Courage
                 -Family man
     -Parade magazine
            -Cover story
                 -The President and Thelma C. (“Pat’) Nixon
                       -Cover photo of walking on the beach

                               -Newsweek
        -Kennedy Center
              -Tricia Nixon Cox
                    -Wedding
                          -Impact
                                -Television
        -Economy
        -Negative aspects of administration
              -Economy
              -Vietnam War
        -International stature
              -PRC trip
                    -Haldeman's conversation with Kissinger
                          -Interest by others in visiting the PRC
              -Kissinger
              -Soviet Union
                    -Summit announcement
                          -Timing
                                -Impact on public opinion

The President's supporters
     -Opponents

Cabinet members
     -Spokesman roles for the administration
          -George W. Romney
               -Work for administration
          -Lenore L. Romney
          -Romney
          -John A. Volpe
          -Connally
          -Rogers
          -Use of the President's supporters

Polls
        -Elections
        -Henry M. ("Scoop") Jackson
             -Vietnam election
             -Motives

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    Wilbur D. Mills

    The press
         -Media events
              -The PRC
              -Soviet Union
              -Press conferences
         -Presentation of campaigns
              -1968 campaign
                    -1968 convention
                          -Acceptance speech
                    -Substantial lead
                          -Democrats
                    -Bombing halt in Vietnam
                    -Media
                          -Effect on campaign
                    -Travels
                    -Bombing halt
                    -Telethons
                    -Television
                    -South Vietnam
                          -Nguyen Van Thieu
                          -Bombing halt
                          -Kissinger
                          -Lyndon B. Johnson
                               -Bombing halt

    The President's schedule
         -Japanese visitors

          -William F. (“Billy”) Graham

The President and Haldeman left at 2:05 pm..

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We were able to run down after the conference.
Yes, what they did was terrifying.
They texted to Conley in Texas.
They talked to his office.
I mean, I just assumed that it would come out of a possibly console.
In other words, if I got it, nobody seems to be exactly sure where it came from.
That's right.
I haven't gotten to staff already, and he had it in his draft, so that's kind of what I'm going to find out.
My guess is that it did come out of us, and probably was quite aware of it.
He was.
Well, no, but I think that he must.
The first draft was sent to Connelly.
That was Connelly's first draft.
Right.
With that in.
It was sent to Connelly in Texas.
He was still then in Texas at that time.
He had not been meeting with the Coastal Living Council.
So if he was aware of it, he would have been aware of it and then the meeting itself.
We made nine on nine.
Ray was operating on the assumption, have you done that?
And his officer didn't want to bother, didn't want our people bothering him down there, but wanted to get material, and that's how they had done it.
So it did go down.
you know, and he had the same time.
And I remember Greg reminded me.
I talked to him.
He said he was going to mail it, and I was worried about it at the time.
And then he discovered they had one of those text machines in Connie's office in Texas.
So his office here sent it to his office there.
Good.
Good.
I like it.
I talked to him.
I thought he shouldn't think about it.
I thought I didn't.
And what was the situation on that?
Immediately after that.
I was supposed to give you a quick report on Illinois based on the comments you had,
You just follow along the P's road, and just write a comment.
There we go.
There we go.
There we go.
as they're at Google right now, which they're going to release on Monday, and it shows 49, 38, and 13.
But, in this poll, they have an intensity rating, which they have not done before.
And they couldn't give what the figures exactly, but they'll have it in the bank graph.
They said that in March, the President's mild approval rating outweighed the strong approval rating by 3 to 1.
That is, with any approval, mild approval was three times as large as approval.
At this time, the rating for mild approval and strong approval is 50-30.
In other words, the president has not converted people, but he has picked up a great deal of stronger support among those who are foreign, which is what we thought would be the case.
They point out that this is probably an early signal that there will be an increase in popularity.
They don't find the fact that the popularity has held at 49 from the start, and they feel it exemplifies a good, solid base of support and that it's in a good position to go up.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Well, interestingly enough, it's the same as ours.
We took one Tuesday and Wednesday of this week on a wrap-up basis to cover a number of odds and ends that we wanted to get it cleaned up on colon.
And approval was 56, disapproval 34.
Disapproval went up a little bit.
It was 56-31 on August 21st.
But it still shows the approval thing the same.
We asked, why do you disapprove?
And of the 34 who indicated disapproval, 39% of them, which would be 13% of the total, said Vietnam in one way or another.
Of the disapprovers,
They, such things as before the election, he promised to end the war, and he did until now, only to affect his re-election.
He's not sincere in ending the war.
He's not bringing the troops back right away.
So this proves that 40% are part of Vietnam.
26% were on the price-wage freeze specifically.
Disapproval of the wage freeze because of the emergency unions keeps us from getting our scheduled raises.
I'm against the freeze because it helps the high-income people, but the freeze hurts the individual.
That's up to disapprovers.
That's only 9% of the people.
Then you look at the small numbers, 10% of them said he's just generally not doing a good job, you know, doing too many things that are not being done, not presidential material, not sincere, hasn't kept his campaign promises, he's a bum.
But that's 10% of the disapprovers, which is 3% of the people.
Then there was another 10% of disapprovers said handling the economy without any specifics, just the economy .
8% had race relations and civil rights more important than others.
Plus, in other words, it's not a big factor on that.
7% had the employment situation or unemployment specifically.
6% had, he moved too slowly on the wage price increase.
He should have put controls on a long time ago.
He had that 7, that 6, to the other 26.
Big business is 6%, inflation 5%, taxes 4%, foreign relations 4%, quick to be a non-election.
Not doing enough for welfare, 3%, spending too much, 3%.
Don't like him, 2%.
Too much welfare, 1%.
General domestic issues, 1%.
He's a Republican, 1%.
Thanks to the rich man, 1%.
So that's the overwhelming .
We have to approve or disapprove of .
And that's purple in this book.
That's 42-33 with 25 undecided, which is up quite a bit.
His approval in June was 44.
It's down to 42, which is no change.
But his disapproval was 38, down to 33, excuse the muscle.
And his don't know has gone for 18.
His don't know has been consistently around 16, 18, 19.
which is a low for him.
He was 42 at Martel, something.
And we have some deproved or disproved way President Nixon's dealing with the economic conditions in this country, which he also asked in August.
In August, it was 59-31.
Now it's 56-32, as he wrote it.
do you think these policies treat everyone fairly, or do they favor some groups over others?
32% fairly, 52% favor some group.
And then of that 52%, what group of groups do you think are favored?
56% business, 6% labor, 3% the consumer, 15% the rich.
And the rest is just plain history going on.
As a result of the new economic policy, how do you feel about the future?
A lot more confident, somewhat more confident, no change or less.
We asked that in August.
And in August, 19 were a lot more confident, 44 somewhat more confident, which was a total of 63.
Now it's 13 a lot more confident and 37 somewhat more, a total of 50.
So the confidence factor has gone down substantially.
And no change has gone up five points, and no less confidence has gone up six points, essentially.
That's the result of the equality.
The equality versus much other things always have to, uh... Said some literary union leaders have criticized the president's socioeconomic policies.
When they do this, as you see there, they're representing the views of the average literary union member, or only their own views.
32% versus 21% say the average member of 56 say they're only their own views.
And when asked about union members, 32% said average, we have union members, and 52% said only their own views.
Over half of the union members said the leaders only represent their own views.
We asked the marijuana legalization question and got exactly the same answer.
12% showed it was legalized, 84% no.
Just precisely the same figures we got in October, the Gallup in October of 69, which is the only other time it's been asked.
Then we went into busing.
Do you favor or oppose busing?
Do you favor or oppose compulsory basis to achieve racial integration in schools?
This is a question we asked in December, but we asked the same question in March.
In March, 12% favored, 79% opposed.
on our poll.
Gallup was basically the same in April.
On this poll, 17 favors, 73 deposed.
So this is a slight shift to favoring busing, but, you know, 17 to 73.
But this is interesting.
What do you feel is most responsible for the busing of school children to achieve racial balance?
Congress, the President, the Supreme Court, or state and local school officials?
Congress, 12%.
The president, 80%.
The Supreme Court, 33%.
State and local school officials, 28%.
It's very interesting.
The president is not being blamed for busing.
Now, we ask, in bringing that down, between those who think of busing and those who oppose it,
and then who you think is responsible.
The Congress states, well, Congress is 8% among them.
It's 12% overall state of Congress is responsible.
Among those who favor busing, 80% state of Congress.
Among those who oppose, 14% state of Congress.
On the president, it's 8% right across the board.
Favor, oppose, or otherwise, in each segment, 8% of playing the president or the president responsible.
Supreme Court, where it's 33% overall.
Of those who favor busing, 25% say the court's responsible on 38% of those who oppose busing.
So the court is giving a good chunk of the blame amongst the people who are opposed to busing.
State and local officials, 41% of those who favor busing give them the credit for it.
And of those who oppose, 24%.
Which is low.
The point there is that the president nobody loves.
Nobody gives money to or gives.
Yeah, we said President Nixon has said that he does not want plans for school integration to include any more bussing than the minimum required by law.
In other words, the President is opposed to school integration plans that require extensive bussing of students.
Do you agree or disagree with President Nixon's bussing policy?
68% agree, 22% disagree.
That's pretty good.
Yeah.
Dan Blumley.
State of your position.
But we explained it.
Others said you're opposed to school immigration plans that require extensive busing.
Targeted immigration.
Then you asked about the Nader question.
We asked to try to get some trend stuff.
Do you feel that it is a tax on American industry?
Consumer advocate Ralph Nader has done more good than harm or more harm than good.
Harris asked this in March, and he got 53, more good, 9, more harm, 38, not sure.
We got 46, more good, 19, more harm, and 35, not sure.
We got a little bit higher harm, but it's still much more than 2 to 1, but state does more good than harm.
So for the present time, it's no sense.
Then we said that Nader's efforts can go a long way toward improving the quality of standard of products and services American people receive.
Harris got agreement 64, disagree 4.
We got agreement 64, disagree 12.
Why disagree?
Senator Peters gives a one-sided picture of what American industry does, leaving out many good things that industry does.
Do you hear or disagree?
Harris got 29, 30 disagree.
We got 46 agree, 25 disagree.
He says, you know, the answer there is to take on NATO.
Right.
NATO would not appear to be a good target for direct attacks, also because its supporters come from the more articulate portion of the population.
That's right.
Well, then they probably would.
He said, while a third of the public expressed no opinion on Maynard, there it is, those who do have a view rate Maynard's influence largely favorable.
Awareness of Maynard and Maynard's activities is related to any kind of education and age.
And that's it for now.
We said that we asked, in your opinion, have recent strikes and labor troubles seriously hurt the country as a whole, or haven't they had much effect?
We've asked this over a period of time.
We asked it in November of 67.
That time, it was 56 hurt, 34 not much effect.
We asked it in December of 70, then it was 64 hurt, 24 not much effect.
as it was shifting more to the herd.
And we asked it in this fall, it was 69 herd, 22 not much effect.
So it's, the tide is going against strikes in the herd.
Interestingly, of the union families, 61 herd, 33 not much effect.
Of the non-union, 73, 17.
They've got a problem.
They've got a horrible problem.
Somebody said, how would you raise union leaders in this country on living up to their responsibilities to the public's interests as well as to the interests of their members?
Would you grade them excellent, good, fair, or poor?
In December of 70, they got three excellent, 21 good.
They're totally 24 positive.
30 times fair, 21 poor.
Now it's two excellent and 16 good.
The poor.
Do you think union demands for higher wages and benefits will cause higher prices and more inflation?
Or can companies need union demands without raising prices?
And we've got a trend on this on cause higher prices going way back in 66.
It was 64-16 that caused higher prices.
In July of 67, it was 71-16.
In November of 67, 74-17.
In August of 68, 68-20.
There was a one down.
The iron press was in 68.
In 69, 67-23.
In December of 70, it was 68-22.
It's working back up.
In this fall, 74-17.
It's just very much to, you know, they're going to have us end with Yuki family, 63-26.
Then some other, how would you rate the job being done by the next administration to solve the drug problem?
Excellent, good, only very poor.
Excellent, 5, good, 22, very 26, and poor, 25.
This confirms our other question.
We're not getting any credit for doing any other drug problems.
You know, we, and he says we do it all the time, but we do it every day.
I meet with his people, I meet with Schaefer, they meet with us.
We do some of the television.
It's a uniform low rating.
So far during his term in office, President Nixon has traveled to many different cities around the country for speeches, briefings, and various public functions.
As you see it, should the President make more trips like these around the country, fewer trips like these, or keep it about the same?
22% more trips, 23% fewer trips, 48% the same.
It's kind of interesting.
You have 70% saying either do as much or more than you're doing now.
And only 23% saying you should do less.
And we said, do you feel President Nixon takes too much time off for vacations or does the 24% too much time off, 61% not too much time off?
I don't think you get any bad rap on that.
Do you believe that China should be admitted to the United Nations or should not?
There's no change.
42 should, 39 should not.
That's what it's been for them since this time.
Can we ask the, some people say we're dropping behind the Russians in our military power, others say we're keeping ahead.
From what you've heard or read, how do you feel?
Do you think we are dropping behind or do you think we're staying ahead?
36 dropping behind, 42 staying ahead.
So, and 22 in the location.
We asked in your opinion, is it important for the United States to keep ahead of the Russians in military strength, or does it matter if we fall behind?
75 keep ahead, 19 doesn't matter.
It's exactly the same thing we've got in Jamesville, 75-17.
And the right, that's the conservative issue.
But the point is, a public position on we've got to keep ahead of the Russian military is good in the country and will sure be good with the conservatives.
Yeah.
You know, that drug thing is a real, well, not necessarily a shocker, but it's a sobering thing.
Because we've done one hell of a lot.
So what happens?
People don't see us as part of this because they don't see the drug problem being solved.
Maybe it does.
We need to do more.
There's got to be more show in the arrests where you stage a gun battle with the opium smugglers or something.
On the shifts in approval, the approval is 56-56, just what it was in August.
But among the teenagers under 20, there's a big drop from 49 to 36.
And the 20-year-olds, it goes up from 48 to 53.
And the 30 to 50, it goes down from 63 to 56.
And the over 50, it goes up from 55 to 61.
What that is, is it's 55 to normal.
Now this is, before we had an adverse, we had an abnormal pattern.
We had the strength among the youth.
Now it's gone down.
It's going back down.
So you're down to a 36 approval among the young people.
You have the strong approval of the majority approval and all the rest, 53, 56, and 61.
And the pattern is now back to what it used to be.
That is, the older they are, the more higher the level of approval.
But the 20, what was it?
The 20.
The age 20 dropped from 49 to 36.
What's the next one?
20.
The age 20s.
Okay.
The under 20 dropped off.
And the 20 to 30, it went up from 48 to 53.
In the 30 to 50, it dropped from 63, which was very high, actually abnormally high, down to 56, which is not a big drop, and over 50, from 55 up to 61.
The only other shift was a somewhat drop in conservatives from 78 down to 71.
There was also a drop in liberals from 42 to 39.
There was an increase in the in-betweens.
And in the in-betweens, when we pushed the leaners, there was a big increase in the lean conservatives.
They went from 58 up to 65.
And the lean conservatives did not, of the in-betweeners.
There was a big increase in Wallace voters, 50 to 56.
No change in next voters and out-of-the-court voters.
A big drop in the leaners.
Now, this is how they voted in 1968.
And at the regional level, no change in the east.
A big drop in the Midwest from 60 to 51.
No change in the south.
A big increase in the west from 47 to 58.
A huge increase in the west.
Now those may not make sense because what they are again is the return to normal.
In other words, the Midwest had gone way up.
It had gone from 54 up to 60, and now it's back to 51.
And the West had gone way down.
It was 56.
It had gone down to 47, and now it's back to 58.
What is the South?
The South is 60.
And as he said, each city is down.
The East is 55.
The East has gone up.
The South has gone up.
The West.
I'm 51.
Yeah, and they almost always are, but you're not on this one.
Now, these are small chunks, so you've got to kind of add another thing, too, to say those tips are not the problem.
They're not very important.
On the active breakdown, the rating is related to age, mainly, with the younger groups most critical.
Republicans and independents give him a favorable rating.
Democrats, unfavorable.
And conservatives are the strong supporters.
He has a strong appeal in the South and a strong appeal in the West.
The economic rating makes the same change as the approval rating does, which may explain it.
Because the Midwest went down 10 points.
Why would we want the fireworks?
Maybe because unemployment is getting better or something, or because they have been down because of it, and they think you're doing something, and therefore are more affected by it than they're not.
Okay, well, that's why we're going to try to move the other way.
I think Michigan should be able to do it, right?
Michigan should be able to do it.
Also, we've been in Ohio.
They're better than Michigan, right?
And Illinois.
How long did you do this?
September 7th, May.
Tuesday, May 7th.
This week.
Oh, this week?
Yeah.
I didn't have interest.
I didn't have interest.
Okay.
Yeah, this union problem, he's quite impressed by it.
that it's trying to subvert the country and the union demands for higher wages, spur inflation.
It says that compared to the earlier trend data, the current figure of 74 is the highest we've observed in six surveys going back to 1966.
The fact that union leaders are self-serving is consistent with the earlier surveys.
A busting thing, he says, the majority agree with the president's plan.
Every subgroup, including Democrats and non-whites, favor the president's point of view.
Essential vacations are only a minority of any criticism.
As has been observed in other research, the president's regard is highly industrious and energetic, even among Democrats, liberals, and hungry voters.
Criticism on vacations is outweighed by the group.
Here's the interesting thing.
On the presidential trips around the country, a higher percentage of those who favor more trips is found in the east than in the other three sections of the country.
Another significant subgroup that favors more trips are capitals.
And he concludes, while his final observation favors still remain tied to the president's economic program and the union leaders do not have their members or the public's confidence when they advance criticism, this is not to say that as opposition voices mount in the Democratic Party and the legislature's initiatives, the vote will not become increasingly confused.
But at present, there is strong support for the President's program.
The strong public recognition of the connection between union demands and high prices and inflation provides leverage for a crackdown on the safety of union power.
Correct.
We're going to have to get this out of here.
Let me crack.
Just before the election, we're going to have to...
And the Harris stuff, I guess, Chuck Gavey all the time.
He gave the Harris's release for money.
I think he did.
see what is the uh situation our own does show uh some increase in uh we've got say 51 56 basically right up to 56 i
50.
You were 50 in that?
Yeah.
That's right.
What is the situation?
What do you think it is?
Actually, we were 48 in that one.
Well, that was our big hole.
Our big first and first hole, 48.
That was taken in the great old way.
Thanks, Bob.
Y'all had a third hand, too.
Gallop was 50 at that time.
Then he went down
We went up to 54 in June.
Yeah.
And then stayed at 54 in July, went up to 56 in August, and stayed at 56 in time.
Yeah.
What was the area of the picture in August?
What was the analysis on the reverse?
I think the rule that may not be is wrong.
What do you think?
I think that, you know, we hear there's more approval, don't we?
Yeah, I think people tell us there's more approval.
I think there's stronger approval.
Gallup would tell us that.
Gallup apparently says that.
There's more intensity, as this seems like.
They have people who strongly approve.
The people who mildly approve have moved to strongly approve.
They haven't moved from disapproved to approved, but they've moved from mild to strong.
It was 25, 75 before, now it's 50, 50.
Not over strong.
working on it.
If you say it does change with the intrusion, it must, right?
Yeah.
You know, I think we're expecting change among young people.
Motion.
Change, sure.
They're most affected by foreign policy.
I think young people are affected by Russia's little idea
particularly because they aren't working yet.
They aren't working.
And they don't, I don't think it's zeroed in on that they're going to have a tough time working yet.
That's particularly the college people, that's true.
And I think that, I think really that they, they're sort of getting back to the, that's why I said putting both Rogers and Christopher in the college circuit is better than what it was then.
I think we can push them in there.
I don't know.
It really is.
We don't have them traveling around the country, but I mean, we could talk a little about it.
But the only part that they're going to be interested in are the warmers.
It's really, they need some idealistic level.
The only idealistic level we can give them, to be perfectly frank, we can't do it on the race issue.
But we sure as hell can do it on the peace issue.
I think that's the way, that is our problem.
I don't know if anyone has the idea that
He went, he says, go ahead.
He says, they want to feel what you're seeing.
I goes, you got a good why theory.
Maybe.
Maybe.
If you do it in an adult way and not as if you're, I sure don't think you want to.
Maybe it's to see them, to see them on the basis of asking them to come to you, not of you going to them.
I think you make a mistake.
And seeing them by giving in to the university sure proved that.
They did win by giving in to them.
I can't give in to them now anyway because you don't know what it is they want.
They don't know what it is they want you to give in on.
I call the economic issue the best thing that's going to happen.
I agree with you.
It's what happens.
The young generation is not materialistic.
I think that's the way
He went, he says, go ahead.
He says, they want to feel what you're seeing there, boys.
You got a good point there.
Maybe.
Maybe.
He's doing it in a dope way and not in a secure.
I sure don't think he wanted it.
Maybe it's to see them on the basis of asking them to come to you, not of you going to them.
I think you make a mistake in seeing them by giving in to them.
The university sure proved that.
They did win by giving in to them.
You can't give in to them now anyway because you don't know what it is they want.
They don't know what it is they want you to give in on.
I call the economic issue the best thing that's going to happen in every city is what happens.
Now, where it's very unfortunate, I mean, you've got to have some good numbers.
You see, one thing that could have hurt some of the economic issues was the fact that you had another climate figure on Friday, too.
You see, that was the kind of really bad news that came in just before you heard of it.
I mean, it was talked about over the weekend.
Yeah.
And they're trying to do this in sort of a boiling period, but there isn't any boiling period now.
That was a good poll.
It was a good thing.
We've got to keep fighting the footnotes.
That's why we can't do something.
We can't leave until you go back and turn.
Right, actually, interestingly enough, it has improved among the people they talked to.
Isn't that what it really is, not just some?
Yes.
The more educated people.
Well, and they were really affected by that shift of intensity of approval.
In other words, most of the people that they talked to, I mean, they had an IRS.
The IRS might say, well,
In other words, your friends, which live by, at least for the moment, a lot of our friends.
And why?
And you've got to...
Okay, the China announcement was dramatic, so I'll keep saying that.
I'm just, I think the China trip...
I think you made it right, seeing it over there.
Because of pictures.
And the focus that we're presenting also, one was, you know, a few minutes on the air.
One was shot.
And a lot of other people talking about it.
But that's all intellectuals, you know, what's going on and all that.
It isn't gut.
And gut's up when you're there, and they, you know, whatever the hell you do, the going in and out of the tombs, or they'll get pictures of something.
By the way, as Frank said, that was done.
That was done.
Yeah.
You know, it got a lot of, I think you're putting a lot of stuff in the back of the boldness leadership.
Yeah.
If you go back and look at what we said we wanted to get over, boldness, hardworking president, we've got over it.
The fan thing, we've got over it.
You think so?
But I don't think it's a question about that.
It was our age.
It was very strong in that time.
The leadership thing is now, I think, is where it was in our class.
If we took the image poll now and asked those same questions on boldness, leadership, courage, that whole category of things, I think you'd have a quantum leap.
Because it's been just drummed in.
Well, you don't have to do that.
Because we don't get much training.
Where we don't get much improvement, of course, is in the war.
And I just think that if we could write that up, I'd write it up.
I would, too.
I think the reason you can't get improvement in the war is for a very deep-seated reason.
It is that you are the total mercy of the press.
That's right.
be nice to everybody, you know, on the fence, and I can do this, and we can have all sorts of warm little things, and do things, and write nice letters, you know what I'm saying?
Totally okay, this is the kid with the hearing aid.
Well, we're going to be doing that, because I think we'll get it, we may fall into that a little bit.
A little bit, you know, in terms of creating the impression that there's where the book of this year, or when is it coming out, is it two minutes later than that?
The book comes out, it's true, the press,
created in 68 in the picture.
You remember you said it was cardboard.
I mean, totally without a feeling and all that sort of thing.
And they do it now.
Yeah.
And therefore you can.
Now, Camden actually was not a warm thought.
He was a co-sign of a man.
They played this one.
They played him as Jesus Christ, you know.
You did it with his wife.
He played her as this gracious, charming, cultured lady and everything.
Christ, she was an idol.
And if you have to take your choice of leader, bold, versus warm, courage versus warm, blowable, I don't have any problem with that.
I'm not going to go out and do a little thing with myself.
But I'm a warm, cuddly thing.
I've had enough.
The only thing is, the only thing about that is the only way you can get older than this is you're going to be hungry.
is your money.
In other words, don't let that tell the story, but you don't.
In other words, there's where your interviews, like I said, with a one-on-one day, which, of course, every time we have one of those, it picks us up, you know, every time, because for a moment, people get rid of the feeling, and then they forget.
Although, I think it's getting, it's getting really, that's why I said yesterday, like, what if we
Also, it's dignity, it's power.
It's the thing yesterday at Congress, I think.
A lot of what affected people there and affected the people that saw it on TV was
The bearing that came down that aisle, that's, that's impressive, isn't it?
That is the secret of business in prison, and then the escort marching coming down the aisle.
But then you standing at that podium, the Vice President, the Speaker, the American flag, that impressive setting, the carving on the wall and all that stuff, and the ovation going on and on.
And you stand there, you know, a couple steps back from the podium, and as the president, it clearly means you're the president of the United States.
And then you step up, and there you are, the Congress under your thumb, in a symbolic sense, and you're putting it to them.
And you did it with great command, and that, all of that, that kind of feeling, I think that's what people are cursing for, that they can't get ahold of things so they want to be sure someone else is.
I don't get it.
I agree.
That's right.
The illusion of the police.
But we can't do it very often, can we?
How the hell do we?
But I think it goes into that, all of that kind of stuff, like the hard-working president, I think goes into the bank.
I think when that's there, it stays there.
Unless you do something radical to change it.
The bold, courageous, take the big step, I think that's in the night now.
I don't think they can get that out.
Nobody can come back and say Nixon is a pusillan on his pussy foot or something, and he's afraid to make the big moves.
He'd be laughed out of the hall with anything like that.
You can say Nixon doesn't follow all of his big moves, but people don't look to that.
They aren't looking for a thorough follow-up, man.
They're looking to see, has he got the guts to take a step and lead us, you know, come up with who he is and do things like the asylum, lead us on a little earth, yeah.
And I think you've got bold and courageous in the back.
I think you've got family in it.
But the normal course of events will maintain it.
Everything, the parade cover, you and Pat got an enormous play last weekend.
And they ran the beach, the walking on the beach cover.
that somebody else used a while back that the Newsweek used.
They ran it as a cover-cover-up parade, and then all the papers and magazines picked it up and ran it again.
And we've got, out of that one little set of pictures, we've got just an unbelievable amount of graphics.
I would say that Churchill Way, nobody's, at least 1972, nobody's going to forget it.
I don't think people will ever forget it.
That was just something that is back there that people 150 years from now that saw it on TV will remember.
So you've got all those in the bank.
Then you've got the negatives, which is that you've screwed up the economy and everybody's in real life without a chart.
Now you're either going to cure that or you're not.
You've created the impression now that you're cured.
That'll hold for a while.
That's right.
And then you've got the mores.
That's right.
And then you've got the building thing of international factory.
And that's the one that we've got to bank on most of.
the year ahead and then we got it we're going to do because that's the one advantage
I was just pushing for the key.
Well, he is pushing.
He can't pay a price for it, I understand.
Yeah, but he has pushed.
It has apparently worked so far.
Up to this point, you can't tell the line.
You can't tell by what line they're coming in.
The Russian announcement.
The Russian announcement was worth 20 points, so if you lose the 10-point bonus on the 10, I think you're still 10 points ahead.
We have a...
I need to make this lower.
Grr, Kevin, how did you do it?
12 minutes.
That's the other side now.
Now we've got this.
They're sure trying.
They are.
We've got to keep pushing them on it, but they've got it.
That's where you do get a lot of mileage, for instance, when you get a Romney who is now, Romney went out and did a good job of trying to sell, but now his evangelistic purpose is screwed up, and so is Lenore's.
She got me last night.
She was just all cranked up, and so was George, and he just, you know,
can be effective as alchemy.
When he goes out and much more so than Boakie, Boakie does it well too, but he doesn't overdo it.
I guess it's good for some people, but it's not like it.
And of course, Conley is just a sensation on a set.
You know, that's the real thing.
They've got a reliance.
We've got big hands.
I'm trying to remind yourself to talk about somebody else.
These folks have a reliance on you.
You see?
Talk about the president.
I've been working with him on such-and-such and how he does something.
You know, that's the game project we're playing, some of those guys.
But we've got to keep an eye on him.
This shirt doesn't just come our way.
If I, uh, if Scoot Jackson's leading us, I'm good enough today.
Yeah, I understand.
Audience, uh, on the basis of the elections.