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Thank you, Jeremy.

That's a pretty good opening on Sunday.

I was afraid it might drag on longer than that, but it's a good time to be sitting here.

Well, I missed a couple of parts of the comment that I hadn't been told about last night.

I was told about it last night.

Well, it was a very nice

comments, if I can see some kind of value.

You've got some value, though, in that I think there was a building thing here in the press, and the people gave me the impression that we were kicking the Japanese, who were our friends, too hard.

And this sure makes it, and then, God, you throw on the princess and the emperor.

And that's what I heard, my remarks, the only time that my

Anyway, this is the way it goes.

I have a very long question, Bob, and I wish you could try to work out the bellies.

It's a heavy workout.

It can't be done.

And it takes the next year and so forth.

Why don't we just call various cabin officers and put a pre-trial on them and say, if you're destined for somebody to come, probably try to have subcannons be with you.

You know what I mean?

Sure.

Night after night, we see the bull piece of air and the rest of the night, apparently they must like to come.

But my point is, that's the only way you're ever going to get some of those others in.

The other thing is, I personally think that it's a very nice way to get somebody into these dinners who hasn't been to them all the time.

They all get older, including me, in our life.

But we had to have people like us.

And I always wanted to have them like me.

I think he must have been sick of those bands.

Stupid bands.

Peterson was there.

Well, the place was in the red space.

All they had was these Japanese that, no, I know this, I know that, but you know, I just say, sure, I would even take those balls and tell them to pick somebody like Henry King or something.

I don't really care who comes.

But I certainly have people come who want to.

The reason I raise the point is that

One of the reasons that it's probably a pretty good idea to change the enormous social burdens of this office and change the president about every four years is that you really, you get to the point, and I suppose it's because I had him for eight years previous to his vice president,

It gets so stale.

And it's just not right to have to get up there.

But I mean, you know, it's hard for me to do a good job.

Could you mention how royally they bring all their lives to deal with that?

I was thinking about that in particular.

An old guy like Franco.

This is where I come from.

Okay, France was, or France, yes, but Austria had a great Austrian car back then, it was a carbon-neutron, right?

But they say, you know, who's the head of government?

And not royally, it often has to do with, of course, there's a lot of, there's quite a bit there as well, which we have to bear in mind.

Royally, this is, and not necessarily, it's like our international soldiers, that they've got nothing else to do, so each party's an experience.

But when you have to be

Yeah, always try to do some other things.

Then you get out, you know, and read.

Settle it in.

The next night, you know, we make conversation and so forth.

Go through the damn drill.

It is something.

I don't know how you do it.

You do less of it, but you have to keep it very well lit.

That we are doing.

We are doing.

Or, John, maybe it's just a good rule.

The, uh,

And as bad as people do love, as bad as people do love, you'll see the President have generous gifts and that, and Christ will help you out.

Thank you very much.

You know, he likes to do big men themselves.

We can say, with the President, I just want you to take anybody in the Department of Community Undersecretary, if he hasn't been, or an assistant secretary, somebody that hasn't been to a governor that's been working hard, and let them come to the dinner.

Of course.

And let me get a little credit for it.

Let me follow that in and say, I passed the press that you couldn't attend in my trust, and I'm sure there's a lot of people that we ought to try to get you to do it for us.

They don't want to come to you, Senator.

Yeah, there's some.

That's the problem.

No, it isn't.

You get to assistant secretaries and things like that.

Oh, I see.

You have the problem with the cabin officer.

He won't want to give up his seat for the good ones.

We can hit a pretty hard, I think, push now.

That you want an intensive program through this next year of giving people the opportunity who haven't been to state enters and all to attend, rather than the same people over and over.

We've got, and I hadn't really realized it, we've got a hell of a good sort of patronage out in the President's Box at Kennedy Center, which is something you can keep in the back of your mind that I've got an active program to put together.

We're going to use very aggressively, but we've got 8, 16, 12, 28 states

Well, there's eight seats in the Opera House, eight seats in the Eisenhower Theater, and 12 seats in the Concert Hall in the President's Box.

And his performance is virtually every night in all of them, plus matinees and Saturdays and Sundays and some on Wednesdays.

And it's a chance for us to do

And this one I think we should not give away.

I don't think you should say to the cabinet you can use the president's box.

I think you should dole it out one by one and use it our way.

But I've seen, like with Colson's kind of people, the heads of associations and the big business people when they're in town and stuff like that, to invite them to use the president's box at Kennedy Center is a hell of a thing to do.

And we've gone back across to you one, you know, even if I can't even look at it.

On occasion, you might do it with a cabinet person.

You might do it.

to do it with the captain, so they think it's their right.

You told her about the sub-captain?

And, uh, we can use it for congressional.

That's what I'm doing, is working out a set of assistance orders.

Master calls, right?

Master calls are great if there's somebody that's one of them.

If you've got a great idea, it's likely you can take this to the football game.

Only if Marshall is in a way better, because it has such a prestige center.

The President's Box at Kennedy Center.

It'll be a great experience for people.

Of people that have already been to the White House, this will be a, uh,

Another kind of thing you can do for all of us in life.

The congressional types and the department types and all of this.

It's been a very good idea.

Especially for this next year because it will still have novelty value for a while.

Somebody in Washington Star wrote a thing last night.

It's just beautifully written.

It just demolishes the place.

It says, what's wrong with the Kennedy Center?

Let me count the ways.

I don't know what it is.

It's basically architectural, what he's talking about.

But he just talks about how...

That is how Stone missed the whole point, how many things you could have done.

And he concludes by saying, if you listen, our planners should have, after being in the center and looking at the outside, that the Australians have exactly the right idea of their National Cultural Center and that we should have done what they're planning to do.

Which is they're putting the entire thing underground with a park on the top of it.

Well, that's a great story.

The concert got hit.

Critics on the concert were great.

Because they said the whole thing, you hit the tone.

The Nixon quote really summarizes what they said.

What they said is that the symphony had found a great home and the acoustics were perfect.

Outstanding, something like that.

And that's exactly what the critics are saying.

They say it was a lousy program, poorly selected.

The only value it had, which was obviously Girardi's intent, was to showcase the acoustics in various types of presentations.

They said it was tragic that Stern was wasted on a tinkered recital.

Did they?

Yeah.

You had to sing the two sets.

I mean, you know.

And so they said that they knew we had to waste him on that show band, you know.

And that the choir was wasted on a sort of poor piece of modern stuff, you know, in the finale.

That the bass of them had become, unfortunately, the singer.

He opened the new house because it is the consecration of a house that is lousy Beethoven and not very good muted.

And that's too bad that Stravinsky sang it that way.

They should have had that choir.

They really wanted to do something.

They should have had that choir at the end.

And that big bass in there, it's got all the money that would have taken that place right up out of us.

Well, and they should have done Tchaikovsky's bit, and they should have done some great Gershwin thing for the Americans.

They could have done that, yeah.

Sheriff Gershwin would have been good.

No, but they...

But that would have been...

I don't care a hell of a lot more what they say about Stereotypes.

They painted it as being, you know, that it could sort of become the standard demonstration piece for showing how...

I've done the architecture of that.

That's what I thought.

The whole thing comes out, it's sort of like these period of illustration records that have, you know, they have all games.

They're very good.

Very good trains and all that.

That's all it was.

How about the mask?

The mask, the New York Times kicked it around.

Came up with a very good thing, which was that it was sort of a sickening, sickening style to the, to the youth culture that Bernstein had, had

Symbolically, I realize that the celebrant of the Mass starts out as a kid in blue jeans and playing guitar.

And then he puts on the robe and gradually moves up through the steps of the Mass, puts on more and more robes and all the accoutrements of the Mass celebrant.

And then he goes mad, tears them all off as there's the sort of street demonstration where they're shouting, give us peace, which is a perversion of the Mass chant of Dona Novus Pacem, which

I mean, it's given speech, but in a different sense.

And he goes mad.

He throws off all investments and returns to being youth again.

And what they're saying is that this system is all bad.

The formal structure is bad and everything, and that youth is the only thing that matters.

And after that, what about you?

Well, of importance today, one minor item is that on the OEP director, we were going to look at putting Jim Lynn in there.

Both Schultz and Flanagan, who were involved in putting that together, agreed that Lynn would be the guy, would be an excellent guy to put in and that we should replace Lincoln.

But they think now we should wait until the end of the freeze.

Lincoln has done a good job of administering the freeze.

I know.

We shouldn't rock the boat.

to change over my draw criticism.

But right afterwards, Lincoln could very well say, I now particularly abstain from those who've got to put the money the hell out of there.

OK.

I agree.

We will follow that.

On Washington, the Northwest trip question.

The Montana part, Men's Field will be back tomorrow and wants to talk with us about it Monday morning before we lock anything.

But what he wants to do is the northwest portion of the state.

What he really would like to do is get in a helicopter and fly for four or five hours with you all around and land here and there and show you what a beautiful place Montana is.

But, uh...

I wouldn't mind doing it for an hour.

What we can do... You know what I mean?

I want to go right, but I'm gonna do it.

What we can do is land at Kalispell.

There'd be the crowd there.

That helicopter will be down, which is about 80% completed.

You can dedicate a very high bridge which stands the reservoir.

It'll be finished toward the end of the month.

The possibility is suggesting that you might name the bridge Mansfield Bridge and try to make a thing out of that.

Another possibility is next to the dam there's a town called Rexford, Montana, which is being relocated because the dam will wipe it out.

And they're suggesting that we might consider renaming the town Mansfield.

And those are a couple things to check out.

The other thing would be we could take a helicopter tour

and not land, where you land at Calistoga, you have the crowd there, and then you could fly over Hungry Gorge Dam, which is 20 miles away, and Glacier National Park, which is 30 more miles, and then land at an Indian reservation in the park, Blackfeet Reservation, where the International Peace Park is, and the Indian Museum of the Plains.

Now, it seems to me the dam is a better thing.

And you've got the lilies flying around, too.

Three hundred and one, the Indian.

We can avoid the hindrance.

We can.

There's no problem with that at all.

But I'm not sure you want to really do an Indian.

Then the other possibilities are Great Falls where the Charles Wellesley Western Museum is.

And there's a Lewis and Park thing that they're making a National Wildlife Preserve out of that you could visit.

And that would be, that might not be bad, I was just going to say.

And the third two sites, well, the other thing is that there's a United States Forest Service Department of Agriculture smokejumper center in Missoula, which is a world-famous center for aerial control of forest fires.

Eisenhower dedicated it in 54.

Largest training center for parachute forest firefighters in the United States, and they have a parachute loft and loading plants and warehouses and all that.

It sounds pretty rinky-dink for a president just to visit.

It's always a pretty good comment.

It's always a great call.

Calis tell us what Mike wants to do.

All right, let's do what he wants apparently.

Do what he wants to do.

Okay.

He'd agree to the others, but he's sort of pushing them.

Alright, let's go in his direction.

Then on Washington, there are only two things to do in Seattle.

One is Fort Lauderdale, which would be access to the city.

But we've done so many of those, and also there's a problem between the Indians and the mayor, and Dan Evans is afraid that we might run into some problems there.

The other option in Seattle is something in Lake Washington, but that would be tied to a sewage treatment facility, and you're back into sewers again.

No, sir.

What they have come up with as being better is to go to the Tri-City area instead of to Seattle.

Colin?

No, Pascoe, Kennewick, Richland.

which I think is a much better idea.

That's the wall of law in our entire city area, generally, and do some type of a nuclear facility, which is now back into a good thing.

Also, the governor says while the people in Seattle are pessimistic and all the people in Hanford aren't, you've got a better public attitude there.

There's also a congressional seat you can win there, which is a minor one.

But we've got good newspaper support there, and the governor makes you get a very good public reception.

And I think you do better anyway.

We always want to be around the camera and try to hustle there.

And you have a logical thing of going to Anchorage for a tour and a briefing.

It's a major facility.

And we could just release the station at some time.

We don't have to make any remarks somewhere.

Yeah.

And we take Schlesinger along, and probably Magruder, you know, right, to tie him in on your new R&D business.

Good.

That way we can get a large crowd thing, I think, wherever you stay.

They say there's two very good hotel setups there, and our guys are checking those out now.

If they are, I think we just stay there.

Right.

And that's if you're getting into Seattle on the demonstration and all that, too, I would think.

Or we might have to land at Walla Walla, which would mean we'd stay at Walla Walla in a helicopter.

Now, a possibility there to avoid the church problem would be to spend the night in Portland and then leave.

You know, it's time to just kind of forget about church.

Or go to church in Portland.

Eddie doesn't go to church.

He went to church once and got into trouble and hasn't gone since.

He was in the university area and they gave him bedtime or something.

I don't think we go to church.

What do you mean?

How do you go to Portland?

But you're going to be in Portland Saturday.

Close the media briefing.

Oh, good.

After Montana, you go to Portland.

You go to Montana, we do that about a minute.

Then we get to Portland about 3, because of the time period.

You close the media briefing.

And then our plan is to leave at around 4 or 5 to go to Washington.

But you could just stay in Portland overnight.

Which is a better hotel setup, I'm sure.

Just hold off.

Staff work.

Getting ready for the day.

And then fly during church time.

In other words, we're about 11 in the morning.

Fly, land right after, land at 1230 or something in Washington.

Yep.

After Sunday crowd there.

Do the after visit and then go on to Alaska.

All right.

Okay.

That all fits.

I tried it pretty well.

Very good.

It's amazing how

Well, it's hard because everybody says all these great things to do, but then when you start looking into them, they just aren't so great.

They don't sort out too well.

It's a lot of fun.

And Hanford isn't going to be a big deal, but it's an excuse to go out there and watch.

There are people who do a great job of getting me out of the rainy day stuff, and I know that.

on a different subject.

Marty Anderson has, at Erland's request, put together a thing on reprivatization, which we were trying to get him going in that direction.

And he thinks that we've got a chance to make some money out of it, and he suggests that we aim for instituting or initiating a major program next spring.

for the major policy statement detailing the philosophy of reprioritization and an announcement of several examples.

Could you add some stuff you've already done?

And what he's suggesting is that you now appoint a small, non-public task force that would carefully study the question and present recommendations to you.

And Frank approved.

He would get people outside government.

He has in mind people like Bryce Harlow, Milton Friedman, Greenspan, Bill Garuti.

Good.

We could have Marty head up this, doesn't he?

Right.

As consultant to all of us.

Right.

I don't want to supervise this.

I know the public and I just work behind the scenes.

I'm going to get around to the conservatives.

Leak it out to the conservatives.

Exactly.

That's right.

Rumor about that there's a Marty Henderson.

Okay.

I have an interesting

kind of summary, there's no great importance on, I asked Malik to give me a rundown on how we were doing on the recruiting thing.

He's really, his statistics don't mean anything, that the backup is fast.

Yeah.

Come on.

As I said, on this recruiting campaign, we brought in an upper-level staff, recruiting people, 91 people, 63 of them from outside of the administration, and the caliber of people we've been bringing in is just good, really spectacular.

uh range the way they've gotten from outside you know people pretty regarded when you first yeah i wish we had two but we didn't know what we got into but that never worked you know mitchell but harry funding in there and then planning to try the ride heard on it from on top and got into that computerized business and all of us fell into a mishmash now we've got a guy who understands recruiting

who sets his sights high.

I know.

And who doesn't say, that's too big a man, you know, to have a caliber of man.

And we are.

Oh, I know that.

But they're, you know, the kind of people that put in, you know, top level, just exactly what we talked about, vice presidents of companies, guys that they're 40,

by 48, who have shown they're on their way up, who are interested in moving out for a while into a public service kind of thing, and then they'll go back as a chief executive somewhere with a government experience under their belt.

And it's, what was it, significant or anything of Spanish?

I don't know.

It'd be interesting to find out.

They are going through that, as you know, managing change there, and I'm sure it's

basically age in a rotating process, but it's interesting.

It's not a general problem.

I think he might be a very cool guy to us.

He probably won't have any strife out from the head guy.

Jane, I assume you know him.

Oh, sure.

But, uh,

I think I probably won't have my stroke for a while anyway, Sam.

And Paley has so much.

Paley.

I mean, Paley rots so hard on that cell.

He rots.

Has anybody raised with you the discussion of an ambassador for agricultural exports?

No, not for it.

This was a thought that...

There's many people like that in Canada and so forth.

I guess give them the time to say it.

Well, I'm not sure you would spend any time with it.

The idea would be to use Clarence Palmby for it, who would retain his first job of being in charge of promoting food exports, which he upgraded, in effect, by having him report to Pete Peterson.

And Hardin and Rogers all seem to think it's a good idea.

I don't mind.

It's a symbolic upgrading of our interest in agriculture, really.

To give high visibility to food exports.

Pete Peterson would be the guy that would deal with it.

Yeah.

Okay, fine.

Fine, that's the other thing I don't mind.

I care about you guys.

You just do it.

Call Rogers.

Rogers is the person on the floor?

Okay.

It's a good idea.

Most responsive to the idea.

Do you have any further discussion of the follow-on we did this morning?

Follow-on.

One thing I have not raised with Connie, which before we lock it, I would think maybe we'd want to do is that Detroit Economic Club idea.

Shouldn't I get a theme from you on that or isn't that?

Sure.

But I think he'll think it's a great idea.

The other day before, I just said that I thought that would be a way to get the Q&A.

I was going to say that they had him for me at an appropriate time.

Something to announce.

We will have the Congress.

It's an interesting thing to do is to have them.

We'll have the Congress and the State Department on the program.

That's a good idea.

I said the State Department on the program.

I'll come over to record now.

much better hall than the good hall, big enough for everybody that wants to come.

And then, it's on our grounds, and they say what they want, but I advise them, we must not go where we're, at their shows.

It's a definite idea, and I don't worry about speeches at all.

I mean, answers, questions, I should be nervous about it.

It seems to me that after the China trip, probably is the time to do it.

Maybe.

Or after the Russian trip.

Maybe.

Maybe then.

Or, yeah, we're going to need some major events.

Well, it's getting all the closer to election.

After China, it's probably the better.

Yeah.

Or maybe, maybe we, I'll tell you, if we get any kind of a break, the most important thing would be after Vietnam.

That would be the time we're going to do it.

Well, let's let it go right now.

That would be a darn good way to do it.

What are your views about the, uh, the follow-on thing?

Do you have any?

Do you have any strong views about it?

About, uh, against the, uh, idea of announcing a climate or what you're thinking about it?

No.

I think you said everybody came down on the other side, and I...

Well, they did agree to consider it all.

Well, they did because the argument that prevailed with them was, well, the only two arguments there are, and they weren't involved.

Well, but they weren't particularly concerned about it because they thought we could handle that.

I'm sure they'll accommodate you.

That isn't a doubt at all.

The other one was just the caution of,

Well, if you don't do nothing, you've got to announce 30 days in advance what the hell you're going to do.

Now, the price will be enormous, you know.

That's my point.

I think we've just got to...

They have the word out now, which maybe takes care of it, that...

The announcement of the plan will be made well before the expiration of the freeze, so we've made the point that we're not planning to wait until November 13th to announce what the problem is.

Well, we'll discuss it.

But I think being positive on a date probably comes out better.

We'll see.

Well, if I'm on a date, it's very good to be open to it.

I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other.

I just want to be honest.

We must not lose the initiative, ready, big, for, waste, price, restraint, you know.

That's the point.

I don't think we are losing it.

I don't think we are.

I think we are on the initiative line, but I just want to be sure that there's no, no love, no love.

Lately, it came out very well.

You should see that.

The meeting closed on it.

It was pretty good.

They said, well, did the president present a plan for your consideration of the meeting?

He said, no, he listened, and then climbed into the front seat of this choker-driven Cadillac and left.

Oh, my gosh.

I'm sure he did.

to listen to.

It's a good, it's a good advice.

Sometimes you can't do a lot of it.

They can't say that.

I'll do it one day.

No, I don't think anybody will.

I think we're past that.

Do you think so?

I don't mind them, you know.

I pretty much, I think, they don't do it.

If it won't help, that was the cycle, even earlier in the theory, you know, the high normal list of college presidents, ever.

I think they are a horror, a waste of time.

But the earlier theory, maybe, that is paying attention to them.

I didn't talk to them.

I didn't pay any attention to them.

Probably isn't, but very interesting.

You've got to go up there and say, gee whiz, we care.

I see I didn't went to the tennis match yesterday.

And that was a hell of an interesting match because that 16-year-old girl got to the finals.

She'd won 54 straight matches, which is an unbelievable record, and then finally lost to Little Jean King.

She was a 16-year-old kid at the finals in Forest Hill.

and all the villaging in front, she's a great pro.

She probably studied her weaknesses, beat the hell out of her.

It's next year, this kid will be her.

We've got a 16-year-old kid, tennis, you know, they can go for 20, 30 years, and she's got a great career, plenty of time ahead of her.

And apparently she's a very good-looking girl and all that.

You see the Miss America thing?

No, I didn't.

It wasn't a thing on TV, was it?

The last year's Miss America, about to do a new one, I guess, but last year's, she's been, of course, touring again this past year, and she kept saying political.

She's now through, and so she's now spoken out politically, and it's very interesting.

She hit women's lib.

She hit the demonstrators and the anti-American types, talked about what a great country it is, and then hit the media and said, the picture that's being portrayed of this country is not at all what I've seen of this country, and traveling around it over this last year referred her.

Where is she from?

I'm not sure.

I'm kind of checking it out.

I guess that's why I thought I thought that she could have referred her.

But, you know, little bits like that could be a huge plug-up.

He's very helpful.

The only way we can ever get it through on God is through him.

They did a survey of the Miss America contestants on whether they supported the president on Vietnam.

All of them who had an opinion were for the president.

Some of them didn't know.

They love America.

You know, I was thinking about media day.

The only way you could ever read this on the pictures is through him.

go directly to them and tell them where they're headed.

I just can't go through how many of the judges proposed and everybody had it.

If we go to the Congress this weekend, we'd probably make a misdemeanor.

It's not the time to lie low, because every tax proposal that they had and everything, I'm just saying.

You've got them mad now, but they were mad anyway because they're frustrated because they don't...

They don't know what to do with it.

That's right.

They don't know what to do with it.

Well, as some of the analysts have said, you're in the catbird seat now because whatever they do, if it works, you're going to get credit for it.

And if it fails, you can go out and blame them for it.

Unless they do exactly what you said, which they aren't going to do because they don't want to let you get credit.

They don't have credit, but you're going to get credit.

They can't take credit.

Just like you can't drop the blame for the war, they can't steal the credit for this other thing because you've taken the initiative and they've taken the initiative.

I think they're over-dueling you.

I don't think people are going to care that much about it.

It didn't get as big of a media play.

No, it didn't get much television play, which surprised me.

I don't know.

The commentators and columnists.

You know why?

Because basically he's not one of them.

That's right.

They don't like jazz.

He's been too talkish in the past.

But you'd think they'd be smart enough to see that they... And they are going to make something out of that.

But it was a curious thing in a way that if we couldn't guarantee it pretty much...

Yeah.

Got a problem.

It's one more blip on the gate and I'm saying I don't cover some of it.

I can't imagine that there's much real public concern about the election in Vietnam, and I think that's what's happening.

I thought they would be crooked anyway, or it didn't matter.

Well, other people made the point rather effectively that what the hell's all the bitchin' about the fact that they took the election at all?

Well, isn't it quite significant that they had a congressional election?

Has that point been made?

Yes.

Which saved 115 different candidates.

And a lot of people are saying that it's ridiculous for us to suppose that a country like that is going to be able to hold the same kind of election that we have.

And also we ought to look at our election.

They aren't so totally juried.

A lot of people drop off, don't they?

You know, watching the Cubs last night, they are really great because of their enormous enthusiasm.

And I watch him, and he's always laughing, you know.

He's really enjoying every minute of it.

I looked over at her, and she's just laughing.

She nods back.

She says she enjoys every minute of it.

You know, she looks at people as though she's interested.

They both have that ability that you and Pat have, that damn few people have.

They tell many of our other people, we don't do that, but they're sort of looking the other way.

These connoisseurs are just fantastically good people.

They have that great ability.

It's marvelous.

I admire it because I don't have it at all.

I can't do it.

I just, it's marvelous.

quoted in that article I made that I could be in the middle of the most stimulating cocktail party in the world and still be completely bored, which is exactly true.

And you are too, which I'm sure I do.

I think he is.

He's got to be.

He doesn't drink.

I think he's totally bored, but he doesn't show up at the dinner last night because he doesn't drink.

He's never seen it.

Virtually everybody else does.

And it's a very strange sound.

You don't drink.

Now, in a very private party, you do, you know, but you do not drink wine.

And bad old boy sounds and so forth.

It's a very strange sound.

I know.

The dinner is strange.

So you sit there and sip your wine and try to get through to them.

I must say.

But Connie...

You're giving the impression that he's a board guy.

He looks so interested, and he also moves.

He's very good at covering a lot of ground.

Yeah, I can't do that as well.

No, you can't.

If we still haven't worked out a system, they do pretty well until they're springing up to people, but probably ought to be that they don't really know which one's the luck, I guess.

But it ought to be the one last year ought to bring them up or something like that.

But one last question I had that was pretty hard to answer.

What do you think of this?

We had the Japanese ambassador up through the Yellow Room, but not our ambassador, Meyer.

We had the Gossett instead.

I don't think that was not a very good idea.

I'll be darned.

They did him our ambassador.

They had Alex Johnson.

He took a load of bottles, basically.

I wouldn't have had Johnson.

You know what I mean?

I've been through the conversation.

I wouldn't have had our... You've got to have offices, not hers.

Well, Roger's about to do that.

Well, it's Bill's.

It's my next game.

I think he could catch him for a minute after the cost of living council before Arthur comes over or does Arthur come to the cost of living council if he does?

I don't think so.

I'll see you in a minute, you know.

I'll stick around.

But the general feeling is that we have...

Good strong energy this week, is this correct?

Yes.

Analysis of the pros, yes.

And then we, again, one-upped them at a time when we almost had to go as, shoot as high as we did, which you upped to Congress in order to one-up them.

I mean, they had, they were ready, they had the opening, you know, they had all the, all the, all their shots ready and

The green wall got wiped down.

And your meeting with the labor people wiped them out today as a follow-up to your congressional thing.

So their reactions got washed away in the meeting, the labor meeting.

The other meetings won't have the impassions to do the same.

They don't have some.

The fact of doing it will have some.

And the congressional meeting is going to be right here.

That's what we're going to do.

I don't look.

Yeah, that's right.

Then we're keeping the following Monday clear, so you can leave right after the congressional meeting.

Or if you're out to go to Florida, I don't know.

What do you think of the idea that Florida is where you live on vacations?

I don't know.

I don't think you can.

I think you may be right.

I just don't like when people look at you to do it.

You set a pattern and you do it.

They'll be frightened of you because you're afraid.

If you beat Friday afternoon, who the hell is going to complain?

You should have done the press conference on Thursday.

Yeah.

You beat the congressional people at Friday.

The following weekend is so, you know, you're out, but it's technically a business, uh, century.

Well, yeah, but with the Oregon and all the other stuff going on in there, so it's not, uh... Incidentally, I have no objection to flying over Glacier if that's where you're going.

I've never seen Glacier.

After a tour of the national parks, not a bad thing.

I've never seen Glacier, but don't fly over a hell of a lot of other places.

Kalispell, I've never been to Kalispell.

The diving, going to places we've never been is always good.

And then naming a town Mansfield.

That's my choice.

A town or a bridge.

Mansfield.

I'm going to review it.

I named it Mansfield.

It's a hell of a lot.

Tell Mike that that's what I want to do.

Well, the bridge, no problem.

The bridge is our bridge, I think.

And that's probably the best thing to do.

Well, plus the fact that there's probably some resentment that the town is being moved.

I think the bridge is a better thing to name.

That's the lead.

We want to check the weather, and that's the other reason to leave it open.

The weather isn't good enough for us to stay here.

If the weather isn't good, they're having enough hurricane activity.

It might be bad.

September is one of the potentially bad ones.

I just might not go at all.

I get back to the point that you've often mentioned.

How many people are more affected by how you look?

I don't care where it is.

I mean, whether you're out in Canton, or Dayton, or walking out on the stage of the, I mean, the Carbic Center, or out of California.

They say they just want to know the elliptical.

So maybe it's a bearing in your attitude as well as just a physical look.

Well, that's true.

That's true.

And I don't know how much the kind of all helps on that.

I think it may be, but it might kind of help.

It may, but it helps more in my case.

Not overloaded any time.

Not overloaded.

That's right.

I don't think you need lots of long time out type things.

But I think you need to be curious.

Where you tend not to look good is where you're harassed.

Where little stuff piles up and gets in the way of big things.

Then you get annoyed, kind of with yourself.

It bothers you to have to do the things that don't matter when you want to do the things to do.

And that can refog itself and you're getting tired.

Well, we've never had a problem like that.

I don't think we've had any significant stories indicating fatigue.

In other words, one time, a year and a half ago, when they said, you look tired, that's not bad even once in a while.

You can't be superhuman.

No, I mean, no, but you know, like the little things that I had to do, like I mentioned, the rum cell, keeping weight now, and just looking, looking better.

I mean, God, I mean, that's a damn point.

Instead of getting somebody to write a color story about the presidents, and give the credit to Mrs. Nixon for having the first five years of standing,

to have a three-day period.

We had the lips on my little ear, and so on and so forth.

It's a huge amount of heat for me.

Donald Trump has spoken about leaving, and I really don't want to... Well, on balance, it's better for us not to have a change in the election year.

It's really better for him to make the change, due to the fact that

He should get back in the service in case something happens.

In case I don't win the election.

Because the poor guy, his wife got him, he lose the election.

No, they'll just kill him.

They'll kill him.

Unless he's back in the command center.

If he's got a command, and he hits his second stop.

Yeah.

Well, we'll push that as hard as we can.

That's what I do.

I do that fuckers all the time.

Man, I'm gonna quit dunce.

Nervousness and all that, I'm not at all sure it's not bad.

He is uptight a lot.

He does worry a little, you know, I just, he just sort of makes, I mean, I like him so much that he makes, I feel a little uneasy when he's around because he's so terribly, you know, panicked and want to do it well.

He does everything well, I mean, and so forth, but he is nervous as a cat.

Try an odd thing on here.

Probably wouldn't be scalable anyway.

What would you think of opening Coffey up to the top spot?

He'd be fine.

He is so just the other way around.

He'll be cool.

Fine.

Everybody looks happy.

Might not be bad at all to have your senior AP apply.

Yeah.

Well, Coffey is... Don's got some guy he's picked that he wants.

He's ready to recommend him.

He's done both.

Actually, they're gonna let me know when they're ready.

He's something of a Russian expert.

He's an Air Force fan.

He thinks it should be Air Force, due to the fact I fly so much.

But how the hell could that be?

He makes all the plans for Air Force stuff.

And he'll have an Air Force aid name on it.

Yeah.

And I don't think...

I think we ought to be coldly political.

In my view, I think pooping coffee up is a damn good idea.

It isn't.

So we should try to see whether he is senior to the others.

At least he's senior to Brandon, the renaisonial major.

I don't know whether you've seen him in a camp.

Oh, sure, he's been around longer.

He's our senior aide at the present time.

Why not promote coffee up?

I'd like to talk to you very much for a reason.

First, he's highly intelligent.

And totally unfathomable.

He never gets on my nerves.

And yet very deep, very quiet, and solemn.

And he is talking from what I understand.

Correct.

It would be a great thing, though.

I'd like to keep the guy that we know through the election because of the campaign line and stuff and all that.

I'd hate to get into him.

Then we ought to do a copy right after the election or after the inauguration.

Give him a command.

And give him a command.

So it would be a short term post-flag.

But, uh...

He couldn't stay here more than four years.

I wonder, you had talked, John, about this in advance of it, and just said that I had an awful lot of thought to it.

And I feel that, you know, putting COVID in terms of, you know, do it for yourself.

And I think from a political standpoint, it really would be better if we had a man, we had coffee, and then have a bad, bad Air Force man in an Air Force.

I'd like to help you.

God damn it, it's really the way they're giving a black sign.

Poe Cassell.

Well, plus he's a guy, you know, it'd be an almost good story.

Yes, a good story.

Wouldn't it be a good story?

Yes.

Good base.

So does it.

I guess we'll do this in Catholic way here.

Question.

I think it would be a good idea, if you agree, Mr. President, to have a picture.

Did you ask?

He thinks it would be a good idea to announce it because he thought the picture would be up to you and to your point, of course.

Mr. President, write it.