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They are.

I'll be there for lunch now with the governors and

A couple of the governors fell into too tough on the Democrats, and now they're trying to hold them.

It's all too late for that.

Who's going to knock?

Robert Newman, who fell into too tough on the Democrats, had his first decision.

He had far more of his players.

Paul, he's pretty bad.

Basically, he's a troublemaker.

You know, he's always going to find some bad thing.

But there's really no trouble at all.

I was a guy last Thursday, and he said, please, and I had the best milk at one, so I...

I don't know, it's a little soft.

He says he's meeting with some of the temper guys in Michigan.

What kind of temper guys?

Well, the state senator, Hubert,

They've had some meaning on general policy, at least the conservatives know the voice.

But we don't want any criticism because it reflects the president.

And it's the only flack we really had is from... What kind of criticism?

What does he think?

Oh, they said... Monday is huge strife.

I think Monday's great, but people ask me about some sort of publication on it.

Monday is just a strife in the dark.

That's what I told them about the president.

It's even tough now.

So it's nothing very serious, but you raised... You mentioned they're bitching about that as because you're being effective.

Well, but who's, don't you think that a call by Coe probably goes to them?

Oh, I think so, right.

Because don't you think Monday's too striking?

They want to suck up to him, so they say so.

And Milliken wrote me a letter after the Governor's Conference in Virginia, where I compared Muskieism and McCarthyism, saying that that's not going too far.

And he sent copies.

Which side is he on?

Well, that's what I asked him.

Which side is he on?

My God.

I said, what the hell?

Does he ever write a letter when O'Brien notes his thoughts on him?

Does he send copies of him?

I suppose that would be the other side.

Just asking, is it right at the top of it?

Did you write one?

Yeah, did you write one?

Have you written one to O'Brien lately?

And then you put down some of his choices?

The rock color, right?

They're not praising me.

He did a great job and all this stuff.

So it goes down to the one count, the R&R boys.

Did you get the report on Rockwell?

No.

He moved in on the prison this morning, and they killed 12 guards.

Oh, God.

Police killed 12 prisoners, about.

They're not sure how many.

They saved 23 of the guards.

They had 35 hostages.

They saved 23 of them.

They killed 12 of them.

It's just a black business.

Some of the guards appeared to have been dead for a long time, so they don't think they were killed when he moved in, but see, he doesn't, this whole character, their final plea was amnesty.

They had everything else settled, but we've got to have amnesty, and Rockefeller said no, which is to his paralyzed, incredible body.

He does have guts.

So he said no.

And they moved in with a lot of gas and helicopters and everything else.

And they, as I say, they killed, he's not sure how many, but they think about 12 prisoners.

He doesn't think any more than that.

Did you talk to him?

No, sir.

Everyone did.

I'll call him later.

And he said the police operation was very good.

You must, I don't let any of those inspections cut him off for this.

We have got to be tough on this.

You know what this is?

The Angela Davis crowd.

Which concerns him is that the word is around now that this is the signal for the black uprising.

And that's got him on the word that it may be.

And how we've got the black uprising, I didn't know that.

It's only a matter of which side they're taking.

That thing out there in California, you know, all these things all put in this way.

Gee whiz, I mean, you've got to do, you cannot temporize this thing.

But it's clear this is what they're doing.

I mean, it's, yeah, blacks, the revolution thing is moving to the prisons now.

Right.

Because the campuses weren't, they couldn't get enough action on it.

Hmm.

This is the,

Let me ask you, yes, let me ask you, Bob, I read some of your comments.

You had a good trip, didn't you?

Right.

I thought it was worth it.

Well, I mean, at least I understand.

I mean, you know what I'm saying?

Yes.

I just remember I told you, it's good to talk about it.

You've got exams, you've got to deal with it.

Plus, you know, you get in the Senate, they always talk about Indo-Chinese as just one big country over there.

In fact, the Cambodians hate all of the Vietnamese, North or South, or things of that kind.

They don't like all of us.

Very awful, but we were there at the time, and all the politics was going on, and tried to see all three.

I saw a key and two, but I couldn't see many.

It was the process of drawing.

Of course, that's pretty bad, but it had an impact in the Senate.

Yeah.

I have certainly come down as well as you can on this in my person.

The United States of America cannot, of course, be expected to guarantee a contested election process.

and countries throughout the world.

Second, I think it's been broadly overlooked that they did have a hell of a good election for Congress.

And third, it should not be overlooked that at least, you know, he did, but he hasn't always, he hasn't ever worked out a way that a person can.

Yes, sir.

He'll count the negative.

Yeah, they'll have to either turn in a blank ballot or mutilate the ballot.

Well, if he announces that, that's no problem.

If he announces that and puts it on television again, that's a good way for them to do it.

That's why it should be made.

If you really want to get a little devilish, get this picture for me, if you will.

First...

How many countries acquired their independence since World War II?

And how many countries of those 75 today are there leaders who are there as a result of a contested democratic election?

I'll tell you what's in mind.

Not one act.

All this talk about the blacks.

Not one of the African, of the new African countries has a leader who was elected as a result of a contested election.

They don't have the democracy in that country.

And they better not damn well know that.

We never liked that kid a little bit.

I mean, in Latin America, you've only got about three or three countries, Chile and Colombia and Venezuela, where they have elections.

The rest of the place won't work.

I mean, that ain't a revolution.

But you give me the picture.

Now, you think India?

India has the gifts.

But you don't have one in Pakistan today.

You don't have one in Salon, maybe.

But all over the world, the new countries, they just don't have them.

So what we are trying to hold that we have the needs to be, of course, fair and quite standard.

On the other hand,

I think we should not be too apologetic about one point.

We've done our best.

I mean, we've had a congressional election, and we've urged them to have contested elections.

It takes time to develop the process and never fail, of course, to make the point, as I'm sure you do, that we

that the people of South Vietnam have a hell of a lot more choice than the people of North Vietnam.

Party until they get all casual.

There's no real two-party system or even a three-party system at all.

It'll take years.

We did hell there when we started.

The French don't have a two-party system.

The Italians don't.

The British, and I just said that the British and American experiences are almost unique.

Britain, America, and some commonwealth countries.

That's why I say this is a British-American phenomenon.

and uh european countries but i know it's a tough it's a tough one to handle but uh you can't make people run i've always wanted to contest the russian styles that's how you do that

It's tough.

How did you find that gentleman in Vietnam?

Oh, you know, I talked to General Abrams and Captain of the Apache.

I did have dinner with four Vietnam senators and told them that, you know, this might be politics in Saigon, but it wasn't being translated into the United States Senate.

And it was very interesting to visit with them.

And they did, because there was talk then about it.

which is the economic age of faster food withdrawal.

You know, the speculators are already speculating.

Sure, they can't believe that could happen.

I mean, they don't understand our Senate.

And, um, but, generally, I wouldn't fall through the drug program.

Now, your analysis on that with my children and visit, uh, POW camps, see how they were treated in POWs.

It was very interesting to me to see these young, uh,

kids at least going to school in grades one through five, and I still tell people they were doing a bad job, but with their feeling of these damn visitor's rights, you know, people were coming in, bringing in food, and so it was helpful.

And in those factors, that's what really hit it.

Now, those who were very sick, I'm not much care for them, but some of those who were paralyzed.

On the whole, it was kind of a bad prison operation.

I went to Cambodia and watched the train and got out of here to go get an outfit.

Of course, they were having to negotiate, but at least you get on the field with the people and have a strong spirit.

It's really great.

And in Thailand, of course, we weren't there very long.

I didn't do much with them.

But I think when we had a visit with the ambassador in Japan, that was two days after the announcement, he was

probably should move it.

He was all right.

And he thought that, yeah, he's accepted for the very reason he said this morning.

We've got a strong economy.

We are the marketplace of all this stuff.

So I think it's a fine, I don't know, way with that thing.

The trip's been done.

Good.

Well, I'm glad as well.

It's good for you.

Now we can take after some of those guys who haven't been there.

Paul Russell, one of those.

Yeah.

Paul Wright, the governor.

He's right.

Yeah.

Not to make any great judgments, and we can't, uh... Yeah.

President, how many of you get into the thing of trying to control Haskell?

I just simply say the president is an indicator.

Nelson.

President, you're November 15th, and I'm going to send you the card.

I don't think you can trust this president.

What is the, uh, on the other side, uh, what are you going to tell the governor?

Tell him to get off their ass.

Well, you're going to speak to him.

No, I, no, I, I've been to his office.

I've been trying to sit around there to have a chat after lunch.

Any message I can take to him?

Well, I think the main thing is...

to the extent they can, and they can stand firm on the wage increases and so forth, with the boroughs and so forth, with their wage increases and so forth.

And we don't have as much public opinion, but I think what is meeting the business and the labor leaders, it's quite interesting to note that the public support is extremely high, and we just simply want to ride that for all its worth.

right for all its worth.

You had a full release that we just came out where you were gone.

I think we had all of them.

They probably got all of them.

It might be worth your having just a petal of it.

No, the National.

Oh, the National Pole.

George, the National Pole has covered ice by half the size.

I think you favored a third time.

You favored a burrow of waste.

You used a burrow of waste to buy a street.

You favored this or that.

We were on every night last week with Pennsylvania High up here in Virginia.

And the Fox is great.

They're public.

They're enthusiastic.

They're ready to go to work.

They want to keep laboring.

So that's how I can do it.

But even the ranks.

Well, I can buy labor, Matt, as you said.

I don't need to pay increase, but...

The farmers are at the end of this.

Happy thing.

We've got to go home.

They can sell for more.

They see vision for selling all this wheat.

It's sort of like the new program.

I was home for about seven days, and I'm in Kansas.

There's a little more freedom in it, you know, more decision-making down at the farm, really, than at the agency office.

So let's see.

As Harlan said, it's all Hardin, right?

I think, though, it's worth it.

The farmers aren't against it.

Do you think the business was bad?

Right.

I think Hardin has kept a low profile.

Now, if you could ask one out of ten people, probably none of them in the Secretary of Agriculture, it's like, oh, yeah, that's what's really... Because everybody is dreaming it.

I'll say that.

That's it.

Right.

So Hart has done a good job.

He's effective.

He's glad to be effective.

We used to run against Brayton.

They used to run against Benson.

Do you know how hard?

Nobody knows.

You see, Hart's running against Hart.

He's such a nice cousin.

And also, the man, he's also very, very clever in his speech.

You know, he talks all the time.

I was in the derby in the spring with him.

Oh!

That is good to leave the hall.

We got those guys.

Well, we were paid.

If somebody said we paid for them, I would have saved all that.

No, actually, we only did what the Democrats were going to do.

That bill up there, you know, there were more Democratic congressmen and senators who were out there in Chicago than there were Republicans.

You know, they had about 32, I suppose.

Praise the president for that.

Praise our Joe and mine.

Actually, we've got to praise you for raising the president.

The more you post on that, the easier it is.

But they're good people.

The main thing, they're wonderful people.

They're good politically interested.

One thing about them is that you're doing the right thing.

And now and then, good God, you can't let the others.

I had a little...

I don't know if you have any, do you think Reagan is there?

Oh, yes, he'll be there.

Yeah, I think so.

Let me ask you, do you have a problem with the whole life of Reagan or something?

For God's sakes, some of these are even, Reagan would be fine, but Reagan would be close enough.

Don't give the others a free shot at this.

My God, they're heating it up.

Every Democratic candidate is slapping the President.

Why do you know, can't the National Chairman kick one, kick the other?

Isn't that the problem?

Well, they're doing it totally irresponsibly.

They're doing it on false grounds.

They change their ground.

Yeah, that's right.

And we're such nice guys.

We sit back.

Well, we've had very little flack.

That's only been when they write letters.

They send copies around.

A lot of press releases.

Yeah.

Oh, that's horrible.

Somebody else, some of the other governors ought to jump on this.

Well, that's what I mean.

I agree with you.

Yeah.

I'm not saying he's not a strong man.

He's in all those areas.

But we're going to Michigan all kinds of times this fall for Bob Griffin and for members of Congress.

They're not unhappy about it.

It's not even for them.

But for God's sakes, given the U.S. treaty ruling with Michigan now, they've got to make sure to turn the car thing and all the rest.

Michigan, of course, has to do everything.

But he is, he is definitely not much of a stand-up guy.

I mean, Mr. Romney is the guy to take him on.

He feels this way, I'm sure.

Well, there is no problem.

I think we'll work it out.

We think we've had problem three.

Wouldn't like to spoil your speech.

You have two problems.

Three.

You're not so afraid.

You're going to find it.

You're getting some papers from O'Brien.

You should because, first of all, O'Brien doesn't need to.

He's got all of his surrogates.

And the problem with the father and sister

It's just hard to get, you just got a hell of a time, don't you, to have any administration, senators or congressmen that can make news.

Isn't that true?

They try.

I know they put out some statements.

Now, on the cabinet side, we have one, we have found one enormously big gun that's caught on the boat.

I said, he really impressed me.

He said, you know, you're going to Washington.

Is that a bear?

You might be interested in something.

We've got an off-the-record interview from a guy that gets some.

Yeah, it gives some interesting Meany views.

He asked him if Meany wasn't automatically lining up with the Democrats the same as Woodcock does.

Meany said, mine isn't automatic.

He's big on what they call doves.

Woodcock likes people, as I mentioned, like McGovern and even that weirdo Fred Harris.

I don't think that I've made any secret that I personally prefer Scoop Jackson.

Humphrey, you can have that guy.

He's so screwed up that he even tries to make out that he's 35 years old.

That silly bastard even has his hair dyed at least once a week.

It shines with a red tinge or something like that.

He's also become a big peace think.

He's going no place, and believe you me, we keep tabs on him.

What is, is, is, what is he doing, sir?

Is he really trying to go through that, uh, that youth thing?

Yeah.

I don't know.

He's all over the bottom.

Rural development.

He said the rural development.

No, I can't.

Oh, I don't, I don't know.

I don't get that.

That doesn't scare me.

I'm surprised that he's doing it.

Who is a public figure.

That I can do.

Thanks.

If you were, you would have seen that down.

Could Humphrey become something of a compromise if the Democratic Convention got tied up?

I mean, he says everything's possible.

He could even run as vice president for that other brain schmusty.

Humphrey wants the big limelight.

If he should, by any chance, get what you call a compromise deal, bye-bye Democratic chances in 72.

Would he say so for all the others?

He says, that's the way it looks to me now with the exception of Jackson.

I really believe that Scoop can go all the way.

The trouble is, and you know it, that there are lots of bastards who will see that he'll never get the nomination.

Those lefties and their friends in the party will mess up Scoop and do all they can to prevent any nomination for him.

Let's suppose for a minute that he gets it, so they'll gang up on Jackson and create other parties.

You mentioned Woodcock.

He'll send out the word on positive, sabotage Scoop wherever his people can do it.

And they said, if there were a realistic look at the situation, then the Democrats can't make it in 72.

I mean, he said, put that away at this time.

I don't see how they can.

The party will be split in different directions.

This guy, George Wallace, will hurt the Democrats more than the Republicans.

You hear lots of talk about a new Democratic base in the South.

Okay.

But that new base won't win away people from Wallace.

The Democrats will get hurt by Wallace a hell of a lot more than Republicans.

Our experience in 68 tells me that.

They have to miss the union vote pretty much of a myth since the Eisenhower elections.

It's no myth.

The pocketbook issue is always the big, sometimes the biggest issue.

Eisenhower came in and we had big prosperity.

It seemed as if it wasn't any area of trouble.

I just want to remember how we helped Humphrey in 68.

It almost made the difference and we started helping him sort of late in the game.

Would he help Musk?

He may be the same way.

It's too soon to talk of who to help and when.

But I'd say that if he was the Democratic candidate, I'd see who else was around him, and I'd probably say that I hope he can make it and watch the World Series with Sunday football.

How about McGovern?

He's the kind of guy who would make us Republicans, or we wouldn't vote at all or support anyone.

When I figure out that John Lindsay, for example, is the only griffin

persisted with Kennedy, and he said, some of my people keep bringing him up, too.

I don't think so.

He'd tear the whole country apart.

It's an expressive thought.

It is.

But that's Meany's view at this point.

But Humphrey, despite that, is still hanging in there.

He hasn't done anything.

He will.

Oh, he is.

The thing that we have to remember, Bob, and it's a thing I'm sure so many people in politics

They look at all the faces and all the rest.

Anybody who has once run for president will always be high.

Herbert Hoover, even in 1940, was still very high.

I don't have to go into the hell he did because he had been president, of course.

But take Anthony Stevenson.

You remember in 1960, when Stevenson didn't, he was lucky to get beat back in the U.N.

But hell, he still was very high on the polls.

Remember out there, he got the biggest ovation of all in Los Angeles.

Much bigger than, of course, the split off of the lefties out there.

Much bigger than Jack Kennedy.

And that's why, because Anthony Stevenson had to run for president.

Once he gets the nominee, they break through into the Stratosphere.

And it's like a spaceman from Moon.

He's been to the Moon.

See?

And they're pulling in reservoirs.

And these other guys haven't been there in a couple of terms.

The other guys haven't been there yet.

No.

The others have the advantage of being.

That's the tremendous advantage of the old places, just the people knowing.

But somewhere or other, you know, all the brothers get to know a lot of them.

Because a lot of people would sort of, well, I've been on this forum before, and I see no reason to change.

So I think Humphrey will be, in the polls, a factor for some time to come.

But if you look at that Democratic list, Muskie, Humphrey, and Kennedy, all up there at around 20% of the Democrats' name in their forum.

And then it drops down to 2% in Jackson.

Now, what is the situation?

If you've heard, it's a, I don't know, it's, they had a hell of a run, a growl on Boston, Boston.

Colson's calling me this, and Mr. Boston is like, the Michigan one, honey, there it is, oh yeah, there's the pie.

And they're going to go to Boston and all the places.

We're at 22% because they're now picketing the blacks and the whites that have avoided Boston.

You know, Louise, the day hits us in first world rebels as a result.

But the must-see thing now here is not nearly the issue of the Southland, it is in the North, you see.

And there, we are completely out of it.

And thank God, you see, the problem is that it is in the South, where it's the church, and we have responsibility in the North.

This is simply their actions of holding the screen, and so forth and so on.

What about the, uh, uh, you know, these...

Your response was proximate to this.

Should we be taking him on or running him down?

Is it going to be a partisan thing?

The economy talked a little bit about it.

He said that in the coastal region, we'd make some attacks on Muskie's statements and so forth.

Is that the thing we should do?

You should have got to on Muskie because he got to.

It's a president.

And I've let him ride a couple of days, a few days, to see whether it flies.

It's such a silly suggestion.

You know what he said?

We ought to get the, we ought to take the president's welfare reform and increase it by a great deal.

What do you mean?

Get these people sitting on their butts smaller in order to boost up the economy?

Good God almighty, how silly didn't you get it?

That's the Democratic line.

They never, in our country.

John points out an interesting thing today.

Vice President saying in his busting statement, both, it's astonishing that Time Magazine would say this, but they say, thanks, that if Rachel Nixon had made a gap like Muskie made, on either of those sites, it would have been blurred across the country, but Muskie's, for some strange reason, has just kind of gone away.

At the time?

You mean I said it to the vice president?

One of the vice, the black vice president, the other on bussing, he got himself all screwed up on bussing too.

They said if I had said that when I was running, or now.

Yeah, no.

If you as a candidate had said, oh, it was just a complaint that we would like someone to make, I would have stopped you.

Why don't some of our people try?

Well, maybe that's why I kind of did it.

Somebody got him to say it.

I can't imagine a tank came up with that problem down on their own.

Oh yeah, I meant this one.

I said it's getting around, but we ought to.

That's not let Muskie off the hook.

Not on that blackout.

That's right.

That's the fortunate thing, that you're going to be able to coalesce against each other somewhere along the line, some of those days.

They called us on that and we were out of town.

I think you could always say that the president's record is crystal clear.

He planks the best man in the job, whoever he is.

You could say we believe that's a slur on the great majority of the American people, that they live both on a racist and religious basis.

Well, look, the bussing people, they are hanging him on the stand up.

Yes, the bussing people are hanging him on the stand up.

Hanging him on being for bussing.

Yeah, you just got to be fortunate and exactly clear that he is.

And the most exciting thing now is about the economy.

And, you know, a lot of people are scared.

The other thing I would say is this, Bob.

Well, it's just the excitement of the economy.

I think it's very important in every speech to keep reminding them of the world leaders.

The world leaders, the giant nation, the beast maker, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Because that is still the great strong suit.

That is the suit that the others can't arm the ballpark on.

And I would drive that until the hell freezes over.

Well, GOP, of course, is a generation of P's, if you can have a wish in that.

And to the public audiences, the whole bit, you know, in China and Vietnam, it's the greatest thing you can achieve in the administration.

But even the governor, I say, he doesn't talk like the warrior.

Why should he?

No one else is talking about it.

He did do it for Paris.

But he went to Paris and negotiated an independent settlement.

He came out with a B.C.

peace proposal.

Well, what do you think of that?

What was it?

Totally wrong, sir.

He's got his neck in the noose, sir, because he claims that if we just give the date, the PO evidence will come back.

That's not true, sir.

Not so.

No?

No.

No, but he's doing it effectively.

He comes running out, sir.

Well, Richard next holds the keys to the prisoner's cell in his hand.

Otherwise, you're going to be here two weeks.

Why is that when there's a problem?

Because they're knocked out.

Yes, sir.

We're doing this, sir.

We're in.

We've been doing this through Porter.

Porter's going to hit it Thursday.

Why don't you say to us what you're saying to political visitors?

See, they have never made that statement to us at all.

I haven't done it.

What's going to happen?

We can give them an everyday opportunity to do our mission.

I haven't done it yet.

Do you have any clues on who's going to be?

I'm sure it's Stackers, and I don't know.

That's...

Well, it's Davis.

Thank God we got Davis re-elected.

Right.

Or we'd have lost that thing.

I went up there.

That was a...

He was close.

He was a nice man.

He was conservative.

He was a conservative.

Oh, God.

Well, that other guy is out there now.

Well, he is out as a bunch.

Yeah, he was out.

Really?

Yeah.

Well, I should...

There can be...

or anybody else.

For me, if we had anybody else, he's one of the Wednesday Cougars in the house.

He's the back chairman of the, well, something or other.

His club.

Well, I don't know what we can do about it.

I don't know anybody.

I think West Vermont wants it for them.

Wouldn't it be great?

God, if they had some good young lawyer up there.

Yes.

They'll have somebody by God that was up there.

There could be a counter-revels in Georgia.

Got it?

A young guy.

Why go along with the circle of thought?

Because I don't need to encounter him now.

He'll be right in Nathan's pocket.

Now, we used to copy together.

Is it nice?

You're a good guy.

I don't know.

But he's basically some week.

He's a week off.

Maybe if he's strong, he'll be running it next year or something.

Are you, uh, are you, uh, you singing to, uh, your, your, your, your schedule?

Of course you, you've got to do everything, don't you?

But you're doing, you're trying to do television each place, aren't you?

Oh yeah, I do all that.

And are you doing, are you big-stating enough?

You're not getting franchised too much by small-state businesses.

I know you, as well, you cover small-state businesses.

We've been to Ohio nine times.

It was great.

We've been to Illinois, California, Illinois, Ohio.

I think you might do a little something in Pennsylvania.

I don't know.

I've been there four times.

Oh, good.

We're going to ask you for the women's state convention on the network.

We're trying to figure out... You're doing it, aren't you?

We're doing it.

All right, let me down down here.

What about your drink, sir?

I don't want to get up.

Oh, son.

Thanks, brother.

You're welcome.

You know, the women should be great with the people, too.

I've been seeing your comments, and I've been trying to make sure.

Oh, they might get down.

Thanks.

We can't try to focus.

We can't do the committee.

No?

You can get some help from him.

Go ahead and speak to him.

Let's see if we can.

Well, what about the White House?

You told me what happened at the White House.

The night before the president stayed in the economy, I was thinking, if he goes any further, he shouldn't be president.

We were attacked at Muskie.

And, uh, yeah, because the fellow who wrote the speech didn't have any communication.

Yeah, the guy that...

It's important that you, that you don't have to leave me.

I got a speechwriter.

I know.

It's important to the president.

I mean, I mean, I wanted to deliver some kind of thing.

Absolutely.

He's got to be over there all the time, Bob.

But an officer can't write all the speeches.

That's it now.

We don't want to get out of Jillington.

The poor old man has to go over.

He's my mom.

He needs a speechwriter.

That's the reason I'm here.

Boy, they're hard to find.

They're hard to find.

I think there's all this stuff in the economy coming up, and, uh... Yeah.

The phone is there now, so you can stay at the bottom, if you'd like.

Okay.

Now, you run it out now for me, Mr. How many countries got their independence since World War II?

Seventy-five.

And then, I want an honest count.

How many of the present leaders are there as a result of a contested fair election?

Royston.

Are you very interested?

Very few.

Huh?

Very few, I'm sure.

I can see why he has to do it.

All he has to do is come in and, you know, he's got to stick with the mind.

He has nothing to say.

But he's right to do it.

I mean, he's good to say when I'm talking to the president.

It's not very accurate.

Where are you going with that, Herbert?

No page.

And then the other thing is...

to be sure that's really straight-proof.

And I'm not sure yet.

I'm not really sure there's a lot of problems.

I think it's staying a little bit further away from that.

I guess if you're saying, no, this is just double.

We just got to get some person that you don't want to make him...

He just would be like a carpet, but I don't think he is.

I think he's been gone in good, or do you think so?

He's not been a carpet.

No, sir.

He's got to come through.

He should be taken on.

Yeah, he really should.

I mentioned it before.

He's got to have doubles.

I reckon he should get into it because of his own contest.

Pretty disgusting, isn't it?

Yeah, it sure is disgusting.

John, I want to tell you, I appreciate your backing me up with that business truth.

I was very excited for them to hear what was possible because, you know, it's almost as if they're in a dream world, sort of expecting us to go ahead and be able to control wages and so forth and so on.

It's good for them here because in the end, whatever we do, we've got to have their support at the very least.

At the very least.

It's good for them because you see, they are not politicians, but it's good for them to hear from you as a political man as to what the hell is possible.

And these guys, you know you were absolutely right before we took this action.

Every businessman would say, we've got to do something.

We've got to throw in.

Now, of course, we move.

They must be our conclusions that this car is going to be there.

Okay.

But,

The reason I said this was I knew he would be most, he'd come on stronger.

And you couldn't let Schultz follow Kahneman.

Schultz is good, but he can't follow Kahneman.

Nobody can follow Kahneman.

I can't do it at his time, but that's fine.

I didn't want him to.

We didn't have an hour.

I said, what's with him?

He's much better than you.

It was great.

It was much better not to have, they didn't need scuffles.

Very good.

And I think it was a good kind of meeting to have.

That's the whole matter, and the way it was presented, that they ought to be able to understand the fair town vote.

It is all that confines, but they're very rich with it, and that it does interest them, and they can't go out and be a part of it.

We believe in the right bench, and that we know what we're doing.

We've got to find a way to get going on selling his points, and he's got his pitches, you know, why the investment tax credit is the...

Thank you to the rich citizens of the United States.

I need 250,000 little businessmen, you see.

By the way, there aren't 10 million big guys in this country, so the cars are better.

I know there are two.

One is coincidental, but there are particularly nice aspects to it.

The way that all the great paths part of the program.

There's a lot of me to praise all the way up.

But it led into a nice thing, rather so less good.

The other thing I thought was, which Colin's remarks led to, was to, it's always well to give these people a little something, because they feel they don't hear it.

I find that they might, if they raise their crisis, they can find a lot closer to their home, maybe.

I say that to the same listening to you talk about it.

They love to hear it, don't they?

Actually, there's a little chair.

I also made the point of the back wall, the fish.

But you've got to back around very evenly.

And you need back wall numbers.

So I'm going to get you some of that fish.

I made the point about the leader class, my leader class, which I always must make.

This is the problem in America.

Well, and it was good that you made the point because the Post and Popeye wrote in the Post, the Post and the editorial wrote in the Post, which these people probably already blasted you on your rhetoric in the congressional speech about you, you know, that what you were doing was very good and all this, that you were up there wallowing around the bottom of the test to be number one and all this.

This is a good country business.

All right.

It's been an important thing to, and you, in effect, told, get out and say that.

In other words, you didn't have to back off of that position, though.

Well, Bob, I don't know what kind of general thing, but the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, it's inevitable.

I was going through some of the reaction stuff to this piece, and, you know, most of it is basically repetitious, but it's kind of interesting.

Do you get a report on Haggard's reaction to the general?

Because he said the president gets an A for this one.

His presentation and his point of view was excellent.

And his key phrases, like new prosperity without war, et cetera, we will hear from now until next November.

In other words, he picked up that same point that someone else spoke.

Dave Kennedy made the point that there are a lot of lines in there that we can use.

We're going back to do that.

President was both relaxed and forceful, and the chit-chat during the initial applause was especially effective in providing a human touch in a relaxed beginning.

That's both of you.

All right.

That's done.

Paul, if I may, you're the chair of the Department of Political Science at Notre Dame.

Said the President, an excellent job on delivery.

I was gratified to hear the revival of the theme on the American spirit and the encouragement the President gave to harness our will.

I was glad to see pressure brought to bear on this thought.

If Mr. President continued to do that, at a time when it seems unfashionable to be American, I sense the need is great to arouse the proper spirit and incorporate this feeling into our daily living.

It was a very fine thing to hear our President say, America for America.

I noticed that the newsmen who commented following could not but agree it was an almost faultless presentation.

It was the actor, isn't it?

The actor, yeah.

Yeah.

And then John Mayer, the chairman of Mellon National Theater, he has a rhetorical plan.

It's basically an afterthought, isn't it?

The President is doing an excellent job of developing a style of leadership not shown before.

He applauds his efforts to reestablish his sense of pride and confidence in the nation.

He's sick and tired of those, especially the press media, who constantly discourage and run down the country road and home and abroad.

Well, it was wise to recognize and point out where at the end of a quarter century, the U.S. had all the chips and was competing with money on its back.

Then he said he thought the president has taken over.

This is an interesting concept.

He thought the president has taken over a role previously filled by agony, but doing so more softly and with more effectiveness.

feels Agnew is now obsolete, was impressed by the use of De Gaulle's Reliance on Pride of the Nation.

But his point there is Agnew, and some of them have said this, that you reiterate the Agnew theme of let's stop running down America.

Sure.

But the point that he's making here is, I think, an interesting one, which is that you're...

point in a much more subtle way, that actually was trying to build rather bluntly on the building up the country rather than tearing it down and all this, which he's been trying to do too.

Sure.

Dick Porter, in his analysis, he always, as you know, gets carried away with it.

He says, I don't think there's going to be any doubt this is a very exceptional speech and will be recognized as one of the finest ever made by any president to a joint session.

But...

He says what he thinks far and away the underlying importance that he addressed was that it presented the president on the highest possible level of leadership.

From the moment he stood up, he was the president of all the people coming together.

This was established on the night of August 15th, reaffirmed in states today.

In the last half century, there have only been a few times when a president has been able to accomplish the posture of a leader of all the people, and where the need for national unity was so clearly acknowledged and accepted.

And I think this is the key card the president holds, and it's the card which will win the battle.

I think the President has rightly judged the underlying mood of the people that are ready for a revival of national pride and spirit, sacrifice, and hard work where necessary.

On this, he is just the right distance ahead of them.

Which is another good point.

And keep the leader a little ahead of the country.

No, I...

I am not one to...

That's pretty gross.

It's pretty well discredited, isn't it, though, that you reached out to your DLS, or you know, that's another line people you would follow, that I just get up there and parrot something from right off the road.

Don't they think it's hilarious?

There is a very tough time with that.

And we, it's so easy to shoot a death, because the facts are so solid, we can always pull out the L.O.B.

ads, and sheets of paper, and hours of work, and so forth and so on.

There's no question of that.

You know, another thing I think we've had a good delay with your action on is the work ethic speech on Labor Day.

That was a good thing.

That's a good thing for editorials.

Editorials apparently pick it up.

Yeah, America works with those.

Magazine's picked it up.

Also, it came out pretty well.

God, I've seen it.

He apparently called down here early this morning, early to the turn.

Told him that he's got to get down.

He's got to call down.

He's got to get down.

and 12 prisoners, so you've got 24 people dead, that's more than we'll have dead people.

Yeah, because Tom Wicker, you know, is the leading negotiator for them.

Tom Wicker is the guy that they're doing the... How?

He's been on a leave of absence, and the Times runs every morning.

He said Tom Wicker's column will not appear today because he is devoting his time to trying to resolve the problem at Attica Prison.

What was the name of the prison?

Attica.

What was the name?

Wicker and Kunstler.

Now, that's the lawyer.

I'm sure both the Times were.

Tom Wicker did their column there.

He's up there.

He's the guy in the prison, you know, trying to...

I'm trying to deal with the reference.

It gets a little bit out of the roll of the head, and then it gets flat.

That was the original thing, but let me tell you about that kind of position next to our position on bustling and the work and welfare of the battery we got in Vegas.

People are sick of it, and I think the blacks are sick of it.

That's it.

You aren't going to get much.

The real black supporter of the black militant business.

I'll tell you one of the strongest reasons, of course, not to throw that burn sign at us, was that, you know, he brought on a band called Black Manders for the Black Manders.

I just don't think any, you know, there's a big body of Americans in that, uh,

which has been publicized and all that.

And that's the way that's come up, the coverage of it.

I'll get in time.

There's a lot of pictures and nauseating shows.

And there's a whole strip of pictures of that.

I thought it was well-reminded.

I appreciate their modest dress today.

Yeah.

They all look nice.

They made a big point in magazines.

There's a picture of them.

They make a point that it slid up to the top of her thighs.

But they also have a whole strip of pictures of Bernstein kissing everybody he could find.

And he's kissing a lot of men on the model, including the big black guy.

I guess that was the name of the ministry.

You know, men kissing men is not our hero in that world, but it is God.

It is God, you know.

He's definitely there.

But not on the bottom.

Is he there?

He's there.

He can shake.

Yeah, both shakes.

He's just on the bottom.

Yeah, right.

Head on.

I'm so moved.

He's just on the bottom.

Well, men kissing men on the cheek is a pretty accepted thing.

Oh, sure.

The Jews do it all the time.

Jews.

Well, a lot of Jewish sons always reach their fathers with a kiss.

Yeah.

At any age.

Yeah.

A lot of Americans, of course, don't do it for us always.

Right.

Basically, if she brought it.

Yeah.

They don't kiss.

They don't put their lips to the cheek.

But the French do.

And I guess a lot of others.

But this thing, if...

It comes out pretty bad.

It makes the point that the senator is an absolute disaster and they quote the Times Review.

What?

Bernstein, that it was poker.

Bernstein said it was poker?

No, Bernstein.

The Times said Bernstein.

I don't know what that is.

Sorry.

Did the Times say Bernstein was poker?

The New York Times.

Oh, yeah.

Schauffer, their music critic.

I was going to say that you would say it.

And then they quoted the guy who did it pretty well.

You know, both praise for him and condemn for being strong.

I know you've had a hard day, but I want you to know that I was back in the hills, and I was sitting here talking to Bob Holt, and I didn't get your call because I've had a cabinet meeting, and I had a meeting with business leaders right afterwards, and I've been home just gone.

But the courage you showed in the judgment about Grant Gansky, it was right, and I don't care what the hell the papers or anybody else says.

I don't care what they say, I think that you had to do it that way because if you had asked me in this case, it would have meant that you would have had persons in an uproar over this kind.

And you did the right thing, and it's a tragedy that these poor folks were shot, but I just want you to know that's my view, and I feel that the troops are out here.

They're back up right now.

I only got the report this morning, but it's the latest report.

How many people?

Seven hostages were killed.

Those are God's seven.

You can prove that again, Chip.

I mean, that's going to prove that.

They can find all kinds of animals.

Yeah.

Right.

How many prisoners were killed?

32 prisoners killed.

Are these primarily blacks that you're dealing with?

Are all the prisoners who were killed blacks?

Are there any whites?

Good, good, good, good.

Well, that must have really been, uh, I, uh, I, uh, you, you, you concerned me.

Tell your people there where they are.

You're, you know, good person.

I have great admiration for them.

Mission operation.

Well, we're not going to have anything.

We just cannot tolerate this kind of vanity.

Good boy, good boy.

Good, good, good.

Good, good.

Biden had a great armistice, a great skill, and courage.

And I think that's what the country will appreciate.

And I don't think it's what the hell is Tom Brady doing.

Which side?

Always, always, I know, I know.

No, of course not.

Yeah.

Did Wicker, was he recommending amnesty?

Oh, God.

Oh, boy.

What is your, uh, what is, uh, what is your, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

That's right, that's right.

Well, it's just, you just keep, just keep right here.

Okay.

Well, we'll, you won't look for a radio, I suppose.

Yeah.

Well, as I said, everybody, anybody you want, sir, that I, that I call.

Okay.

Father, this is, I know this is a charity token, but we have it at our service.

Worship the Lord.

Father, this is a question to be asked.

Well, good for them.

That means they moved in and whacked him a little.

Because they're the guards over on the wall, the charge shooters, just shut up about the bastards.

They should have.

Were they all blind?

Everyone.

But they found two Puerto Ricans stuck in a culvert, prisoners.

One of them had been castrated and murdered with a prisoner.

And they put the other side, asking if I had the street.

horrible goddamn commentary on that New York Times.

And I watched the stuff that was gushed into that paper for a meantime.

This is the kind of thing where you would find so many people, some people, around here that say, what's the governor's doing in his own shoes, but the hell with it.

In my view, when a guy has to carry out, you need to have a very good response to him.

You've got to stand down right.

When he does it right, he did the right thing.

He negotiated it for four days.

And gave him a good part of what they were negotiating for.

I mean, he was unreasonable.

But he stuck with a certain amount of principle instead of just giving them everything.

He's given in on everything there.

Look where your next president is going to be.

We've had San Quentin, now we've got Abbott, and now we get the next one.

What happens if that happens?

Are the blacks, what is their position?

They should all be on proof of their complaint.

I don't know.

I think it's treatment that they're complaining about.

It's treatment of the president.

They probably have some legitimate grievances.

I'm sure they do.

I know.

I think basically this has, my guess is, looking at it, that it has nothing to do with anything else.

It has to do with the revolution.

There's a guy named Oswald from Wisconsin who was a great prison reformer.

And he's supposed to be a model prison.

So is San Quentin.

San Quentin's the model federal prison.

He's a chair.

I'm going to use this as a reason.

iron stake person, whatever it is, whatever it is in the model, that St. Gwynn's always had the big advanced prison stuff and all.

That was one of the points they were making when the St. Gwynn's blew up a couple weeks ago.

It was a tragedy, the irony.

And they may be hitting the model prisons on purpose.

Maybe that's why they're hitting this guy.

How many were killed at St. Gwynn?

Three of each sense.

Three guards and three prisoners.

They didn't have the same situation over there.

The governor didn't have anything to do with it there.

They just tried to make a break.

It all happened fast there.

See, this has been, this was in, this has been in OSS2 for a long time.

It was Alcatraz versus the federal prison in San Clemente.

It is the federal prison in San Clemente.

It's what brought this song, you know, this whole business of permissiveness on campus.

Why not the permissiveness of the flags?

It's not weird enough to have someone around here in this town who may hit this town again.

We've got to be talking.

They've got a moratorium coming up October 13th, and so far there's no scene they were building on it.

Another moratorium, national, with demonstrations here.

San Francisco and New York, for example.

About the war?

National Peace Action Coalition and the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice, the two.

They didn't have any plans for it.

They only got a month and a half, but maybe I don't know.

I don't know.

We have another one.

And I think the action's going to be, we're not going to reach the goddamn union about giving out permits and all that sort of thing.

I just think we've talked ourselves into it.

And according to all the rules, it's the district court, all right?

So the rules are, well, we're going to be talking today.

Thank you.

But starting in the underground press with him, getting any steam up apparently, he said.

As if they don't get steam up, they get an instant.

They don't get a step up above these poor bastards.

They're having a hell of a time to create an issue now.

Maybe they'll get on with this and all.

That's why I think they're moving to the prisons.

There's a great story there.

I mean, you know, we were talking about what do they do next?

Civil rights is done, and the war is done, and now the environment doesn't have any sex.

You can't stir them up on the environment.

Prisons, you can't.

Prisons is kind of like Indians.

You know, it's...

with terrible plight, and they write all these, you can write murder stories, really murder stories about what happened and how they, you know, the homosexual rapes of young boys and all that kind of stuff that makes pretty jazzy reading.

get people all upset about prison reform, and the kids will all go, that's the one that can get the kids all upset about, and then, you know, the do-gooder kids, instead of going to Selma to register blocks, will start going to prisons to try and console the poor prisoners, and then somebody will be killed in there, like they did at Selma.

And, uh...

It could be a pretty good reading gun.

Plus the fact from the revolutionary viewpoint, you've got a billion downtrodden class.

The prisoner.

He's got a lot of them.

They're all black, so it's a damn good black militant.

You know, isn't that what he's done?

All the old readers did well this morning.

I thought Jones did very well, and I thought Weber did very well.

They did, and Rodgers did.

They all came through very well.

They did.

I mean, I think it was an interesting meeting.

The hell with it.

I think the women must have had much more, you know, they moved along, covered the ground, explained it, and all that.

It's good they have it, you know, and put on certain people that way, too.

Well, that's what he wanted, a upbeat sort of thing that kind of gave him good feel.

I think that's it.

We're doing some big things.

We're doing them right.

That's good.

People have asked if you see Chris Fodder.

to receive written oral messages from the king.

It has to do with Sadat.

Apparently, Faisal thinks that Sadat's not going to survive without a settlement, and they think that... Well, what do they want you to do?

Well, what they wanted me to do is have a secret meeting

But Henry and our crew say that's impossible and unnecessary.

We should just put it on as a courtesy call.

The fog's going to be here.

He's standing by to come.

He's in London waiting for word from you.

All right.

What they want is for you to receive their 20 to 30 minutes.

I will offer them 30 minutes.

Okay.

That guy in the point who's doing the, you know,

The book on you has asked to speak with you and Mrs. Nixon one more time.

I don't know what you do left of it in there.

He has talked to him, and I have talked to him.

I mean, I have talked to him about his mother's family and all that.

Your ancestry, is it?

I have, and I have talked to him.

And I can't do any more on books about it.

Are you ready?

Yep.

I do.

It's not good use of time.

I do.

Next week, all this week, they're running this international seminar on the list of drug trafficking and abuse.

Oh, sure.

Which is participants from foreign nation drug law enforcement specialists.

What they suggested is at the end of it, next Tuesday, that you meet the 40 participants and just say you're here and learning all this and all that.

No.

And then release a presidential statement reaffirming your drug program.

International drug program.

Well, it seems to me like a bit of a sweet way of getting rid of the problem.

We haven't made any progress on that.

Well, except this is a...

It's a major part of what we're trying to do, okay, finance.

You know what I mean?

Is that what they mean?

Yeah.

Just a little bit.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for coming.

And by the time you go back to your country, we hope you'll be able to make some progress out of what you've done here.

We've still got Hellender's chicken gumbo for this year, and he's got his 81st birthday coming up next week, and they're wondering if he'd want to do that.

Now, he has suggested that if he couldn't make it, perhaps Mrs. Nixon and some Senate wives could be invited.

Shouldn't we agree with that?

Yes.

I can't go again, Bob.

I'm not going to.

Some of the bitch kicks us around all year until it's gumbo time, and then he has you up.

She laid it on us.

I did not go again.

He's...

We just overheal and we swap around.

Right.

Okay.

Now, has John talked to you about this domestic council meeting next week that they want you to chair and sit in the whole meeting?

It feels imperative that you do.

John feels that you should come and open it and leave.

This is a meeting with the domestic council with the heads of, and this is for a different purpose than the

and the other thing with the heads of the governors, congress, county officials, city managers, leading cities, congress mayors, and state judges to hit the revenue sharing program and the VP's role in dealing with state and local governments, domestic policy in general, and so on.

John originally had recommended you should sit in the whole thing, too.

But he now feels you should just open it.

Agnes, I have a question for you.

I just don't see, what they're doing is putting these staff-type people together with half our cabinet.

Well, rather than sharing, it's their question.

Am I done?

I've done it.

I've talked about it.

I've done it.

Why do I sit with those assholes?

You shouldn't sit with them.

I'm not going to do it.

I think probably it's worth going in and opening a meeting just to show your

and to keep the vice president cranked up so that there's nothing else.

All right, let's watch it up.

Bob mentioned about national legal panels of POW water therapy.

Meaning, the week after it acts as a convention

And they're going to make the decision by ballot at this convention to determine whether they'll continue their present non-political status or whether they'll turn political.

We think we're in good shape on it.

It'll be 900 to 1,000 family members and advisors.

They're having a dinner.

session on a tuesday night 28th and what they're suggesting is that without laird as a speaker that it's something you ought to drop by without being announced and just you know and we can wait and see how what direction their convention takes too but they had originally scheduled for the 27th which is the mrs eisenhower dinner and they moved it because of her

And they're concerned about you going to the Mrs. Eisenhower thing and not going to the POW thing.

So you weren't going to Mrs. Eisenhower either originally, but now you are.

Because you're doing that, I think we've got to keep an eye on it and probably figure that you will have to drop by it.

But if you do, you should not do it as a speaker, because now we've got a gun on the stage, so you're going to come to trouble.

But you just said it, you know, we're very concerned about POWs.

and all that stuff.

They tried to get a couple of the churches, I don't know what the hell, but they didn't come.

Do you have a nephew of mine?

What would you say to giving Mrs. Eisenhardt a medal for you?

For being the first lady in 50 years

And so, the only one, if you realize the only one that's been pretty late, well, except for Eleanor Roosevelt for eight years,

Nick's, Nick's flat set.

No, it might very well be.

I think some of the, she's, I don't know.

It's the recognition of the women and the role of a woman as a woman.

Mrs. Eisenhardt didn't do a goddamn thing.

She didn't do volunteer work.

She didn't do anything but just be her, the wife of the President of the United States and, and, uh, preside over.

What did she do at that thing, you mean, at the outpost?

Yep.

I don't like that.

I don't see what you're doing in the middle of three candidates.

The candidates are also right as Rose did.

We're going to get Rose 0-1, aren't we?

Yeah.

It's going to be Wednesday.

But I don't see any damn reason why she shouldn't get one.

I mean, I don't know.

Linda Bird, Johnson.

Lady Bird.

How about that?

They don't stand with Mrs. Eisenhower.

The magazines make the point of the... And she did.

She got a hell of an unprogrammed ovation when she came into the box of the symphony the other night.

She came in before you got there.

Took her place unannounced.

But people spotted her up there.

As soon as they did, there was a standing ovation.

It was a very heartfelt one.

And the magazines...

I think it's time again.

Says she's the closest thing to a queen.

No, no.

That's the time of Rose Kennedy on that.

Rose Kennedy is the closest thing to a queen.

Talk about how Rose was the only one of the Kennedy family who had it in class.

She was

kind of bustled around, looked pretty good, acted nicely.

And when Leonard Bernstein asked if he could kiss her again, she said, it'll make my makeup run out.

I told her not to.

I didn't remember what the real thing was.

I thought it was a fetal sprain or something like that.

It's a visitor, it's her suddenly something, birthday, isn't it?

Yes, yeah.

That sounds a little weird, but it is.

I'm talking about birthdays or birthday, though, and it's a...

I don't want to talk about a dead light in our college.

Whatever it is, it's a birthday gal again.

The rule of century is what you can get with something there.

or they're giving or something.

There's a clear point there.

I think there is.

It's been given to such a hodgepodge of people that it doesn't, you certainly can't say it's downgrading the goddamn thing.

Guy Johnson gave one to one of his staff, Marion Smith, didn't he?

Well, he gave one to one of his staff people.

Well, I know he gave one to Marion Smith.

Yeah.

I've come up with a suggestion here for a black thing, if you want to do one, which is the National Business League Booker T. Washington Symbol of Service Award, their 71st annual convention.

They were founded in 1900 by Booker T. Washington.

They want to give you their highest award, the Booker T. Washington Award.

Colson, some of his guys think if you're going to do any black group, this might be the one to do.

Virginia with 1,500 folks there.

No, no, I didn't.

It says if you're looking for any black audiences, this is a good one.

The shelf says it's marginal at the very best.

At this point, I'm not sure you want to get a black award.

I'm not going to do it.

Has Albert Boats did you on the Cancer Society dinner?

No, I won't do it.

Well, I suppose you want him to do it because he might build up the cancer or something.

I guess nobody did it without my suggestion.

I thought you did.

Did Elliot Richardson shut me off and started setting up the Stutter Man at the other end of the cancer drive?

Yeah, I said in order to get this across Elmer's Island, you've got to get it out of the dam.

Remember, we went around on that, that we would set up a such right, and that we would appoint a man.

Yeah.

I understand.

I haven't heard anything about it.

It is a good time to buy it out.

Yeah.

Because, you know, there's an agenda that we're supposed to be finished and put on.

I do not...

I just don't think that I want to do many speeches.

I think they're the least productive thing of all the things I do.

Well, here's the factors in it.

BOPS has invited you to address the annual awards banquet at the Waldorf in New York on November 5th.

Now, two Founders Awards are going to be bestowed, one on BOPS and one on Mary Lester.

After dinner, they want you to present the awards.

They would like to hear a message on the National Program for the Conquest of Cognitive Cancer.

They used to publish them commending you for your historic announcement.

You'd blow other people on the ballroom.

Uh... Herx is the only place you look for help.

Belder's counting on it back there.

And it focuses on your cancer thing again.

And it requires going to New York.

It requires going to New York.

My recommendation would be to put Richardson in as the speaker at it, and at the last minute, you go up and

Present the, don't give a speech, but present the awards to folks in Lasker Park.

This is Lasker.

But don't tell them.

But don't tell them you're coming.

They're not fighting people on the basis of my knowledge.

Right.

Just say you want me to be okay.

Now the problem is you're going to get Elmer really putting the heat on.

And if we tell him that you'll come, then he'll tell everybody.

Once you tell them I'm going to be traveling.

We tell them you can't come.

Tell them because of the consequences.

I agree.

You are so right about the target that's too large now.

I'll never go again and make a speech.

I will always go on a drop-by basis.

Now, for example,

You may recall when the Johnson came to the Ausman Center, he went every address that way.

I know what he did, too.

I mean, at that time, he couldn't go anyplace.

But I think in terms of our situation in New York, it's the way to do it.

Like, for example, the Ausman Center, if I do it, I should just pop up there and let the car go about two hours, three hours in advance, right?

Or were you talking to him?

No, no, I wouldn't let him do that.

He just did it for the betterment of it.

Don't even let him know.

He'll be so delighted if he comes out and talks a little matter of that.

And they've got catalogs, they've got nuts on those things.

It's the right way to do it.

You don't do any substitute.

You don't kick ridges and all.

You let him give the service.

And you just come in and present the awards and say we're doing a lot about cancer.

Sit and listen to the speech.

But you haven't had to decide it on Thanksgiving because Lucy apparently still thinks you're going to California for Thanksgiving.

That doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

Unless you want to try and hold her in.

I just don't think we ought to try to put on another dinner this year.

And we haven't got there without Eisenhardt.

So I'm trying to convince her that we ought to go.

I'd like to keep it that way.

Let's just say that we're not.

We don't know whether we're going to go.

I don't want it.

Isn't it amazing though, how much even though we have, even though we've got some traction down, we've got some, you know, this is cool, we weren't as low, you know, how much time can we take to go get these goddamn donations?

Isn't it amazing?

Yeah.

I don't remember how much we used to, I used to come here every day, there was stacks bigger than that, that we'd run through.

I know.

We used to have so many guys come here.

And it's worth none of those, I know, to cross off.

But, well, it always, it's good for me to hear if he gives me an idea, that down there, about what we want to do.

I think we've got, you know, we've got John Connelly showed up on Monday, you know, earlier in the day.

Wasn't that an interesting point?

He's raising $80,000.

Yeah.

Bigger, biggest contributions at a bigger number.

Very.

And you know what I mean?

There is a moment you need to come and five or six months later, you come.

pretty cool in terms of his relations personally with people except his immigrants.

What I mean is, he doesn't, uh, humiliate them and spend them receiving land and so forth.

He's extremely, a little bit of an invitation.

Is he?

Sure.

He's, he's not excusing for it at that.

But he, see, he doesn't have to do that, personal cut.

He isn't running for election.

He doesn't have to get any votes.

And from his viewpoint, he's probably better off not to be seen up close and touched, but not be touched so much.

He's probably better off to disappear with the spotlights and eye in the air.

And I think we, we have to be touched now.

And President's got to be touched as part of the deal.

Although I think we've been touched all along.

I didn't know that.

Yeah.

But I think that, I just believe, I don't do that, that that's a judge checking churches from now on.

And it's done a little thing to the upstairs.

That's a nice touch.

Gee, I hate to see you have to keep people just at the one end.

You don't let them come down and hear it.

We just cut off our end.

So that they can see in the treaty room.

The Lincoln bedroom.

The Lincoln sitting room and the Queens bedroom.

And the drawing room and stuff on that side.

No.

Which the hell do you think it is?

Just close the doors.

Why does that matter?

We can go up actually.

Probably easier to just go to the third floor.

But hey, does that matter?

It's like all over the country, you know, everybody wanted to do this, one more picture, one more this, one more handshake, and so forth.

You know, Billy Graham, you got to get back in the game.

He's going over that grill at 3 o'clock on the night, and you never speak to him around 8.

He goes to bed.

and he has a, he really has it worked out, that little, what is it, Ebola consummate or something?

Yeah.

Or eats nothing.

What is it, he has it?

Ebola, yeah.

I do that.

Strip regimen and he has to work it out.

But he does all that, all the rest of the time too.

Christ, he takes enormous care of himself with this.

Yeah.

Athletic program, all the massages and stuff, and the doctor looking him over.

So he had a little headache and he came in and he called the doctor, he had a toothache.

He's somewhat of a hard spot to counteract.

But nevertheless, on the other hand, the reason he does this is for the purpose of leading, of chaining himself up for his meetings.

You can chain yourself up for meetings.

You've got to be alone.

You've got to be away from that and from all, you know.

And people are talking, actually, what Kurt did.

Even though it was heavy, it fills up tension.

It does all sorts of things.

You know, Jesus, but on the other hand,

That's the way it works.

Well, I guess.

Great.

This part of meeting this afternoon is to tell you once you're done.

What I'm telling you about is offer.

He asked to see you as soon as he could.

I have a question whether you want to see Mitchell or not, or whether you want to get out.

Well, once later, let me see him.

Right.

We just talked, so after an hour and a half, we'll get him.

Are we going to go on as we were on?

That'd be something.

That's a really good question.

I don't know if you want to see him.

No, thank you.

The code is the message that you set up that you're...

Okay.

You're arranging for the policy code to be updated with your address.

I ain't gonna shoot anybody.

Yeah, I'm sure you are.

I'm sure you are.

Now wait, did the Aggie say they apologize?

I'm not sure they are, because I don't even, it's just a man, you know.

I don't think so, but I'm always looking at you.

I'm always looking at you.

You sure?

You good?

Yeah, I'm not sure, kid.

It's the Aggie.

It's you.

We're going with the...

doing their ways which is which you don't go to they'll set up a man to ask the questions which will be a little more interesting than just a mother giving questions

five ten people on a panel following each other so each one of them go and see us and that's your question i'm not sure we want to cry

There's a way to do Q&A on TV there.

You've got to be honest.

Yeah, we just, we put it on and they want to take it from us.

I don't have a body.