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But I don't read anything that isn't important.

And, of course, if anything is important, I read a hell of a lot of it.

And that's the way I go.

I believe it.

I think that, like, too many times,

They further waste a bunch of their energies on a lot of stuff that others can do.

Now, it was once said, let's see who was it, yeah, Cleveland, President Cleveland, it was once said about him that he read every bill and decided he needed to appoint a new president in 40 years, or 30 years.

And it was said that

He would rather do anything, even if it meant doing it badly himself, than to delegate to somebody else who might do it well.

Isn't that a great idea?

Yeah, you're on the accomplishment side of that.

We haven't really done that.

Mr. President, I'm going to talk to you about the future.

And I want to say, I'm going to introduce it this way, not since I've been here have I had any more enthusiasm for you, for the job, for everything else that I've done.

I appreciate that.

Now, when I left Nebraska, I loved the job.

who've made me a proposal that I think I have to take seriously.

It's brought some great companies and she goes, oh my God.

They, uh, as a matter of fact, they were also framed by the Starches tuners.

Yes.

I know that family, too.

See, that's the, uh, yeah, I know.

It's a very fine company.

It is a good company.

I mean, it's what I mentioned.

It's not just one of the two, uh, it's really, it's diversified a great deal.

I mean, they're all framed, you know, they have, uh, the jack-in-the-box, uh, restaurants.

So, the county, uh, the big houses, the large, I mean, the largest,

that fish and the water

right about where the nuclear power plants are going to be because there's more fish there.

And that's interesting.

I asked people about it.

It was my Manoa fish.

And I said, that was the reason.

And they were over there.

They were close there.

And they said, there's more fish there.

I of course said, that's why there's more fish there than there is in the Pacific.

Well, they wanted to get you.

chair of the vice chairman of the board, and, uh, uh, the executive committee and so forth, and, uh, later on about something else, but, uh, this is the present thing, but I have, uh, agreed from the time I started working on this, doing this kind of place every time.

Hmm.

Uh, for myself and my wife, given the disabled.

And, uh, that would be, uh, that would be a good 20 years.

That would be a good 20 years.

20-year contract, yeah.

And the last 10 years, consulting him.

And the thing of the weapon is, if you stay able to invest, you will.

I've been around a little bit.

That's a guarantee.

Guaranteed.

That's the part of the motivation.

That's good.

And the only requirement after 8.

So that's basically the retirement.

Yes.

Yeah.

And it wouldn't be 10 years of it, but we would pay out in regards.

And then there are some stock options.

There are stock options.

Good.

Yes.

Good.

And a number of other faculty leaders have both planned to go on to do good.

What does it do in terms of yellow?

I would ask you this outside English, but around.

Well, I asked the Republican Party in the next year, and they said not only yes, but they were encouraged.

They're all Republicans.

I was thinking, too, in terms of other activities.

In case you will not feel happy in my place, you'll have to be here tonight.

Even though it all had to do with public sector stuff.

I had to speak and all that sort of thing.

They would give you all that.

What does it say still now?

You never know if you're in this.

Where is the company?

In St. Louis.

Who is the president?

The chief executive officer.

Al Bean.

I don't know if you know him or not.

far as high need help needed.

He took over from the, what was it, Danforth?

Oh, and it used to be a private company, the Danforth family.

It's now public.

He was one of the Danforth's boy friends in the Senate.

That's right.

Yes, that's right.

He's not a straight gentleman, though.

Missouri.

So they're very solidly accomplished in groups.

I'm not saying this is a defense.

I didn't think of anything that would be dangerous to me for a while.

On this, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day, you know, on this day,

So you're going to take care of us.

We're not going to use your service at all times.

You're not as far as we can go.

Now, that means that I'm really going to have to help you.

Listen to me.

and from a family of two.

And I'm not concerned whether I have health.

I can earn enough to make a living, but I've got to make a living.

But, you know, just to hear it.

What if you got a crack?

I'm sure you have a crack.

Don't worry about it.

But in other words, if you got a...

If, for example, you didn't get a... You got a good belt physically, you would... That had nothing much to worry about.

Just set it up.

Mm-hmm.

Well, they were aware.

One of the board members.

An old friend that I guess was somewhat aware of my financial status.

So let me approach it this way.

First, if you should say,

I'd like you to stay as long as you are willing to stay in the state because we were out of time this morning to one of the folks who was on the couch.

No, don't.

He said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said,

But also your footwork has been very clever, very clever.

Now that's a hell of an achievement as Secretary of Agriculture.

The problem that you have, as I would say, which all of our folks have really got to face, with the election coming up, is the chance that we

And, of course, then an individual who has been a cabin officer in a concentration camp, and people were just as cold as that.

Unless, unless he's a lawyer.

A lawyer, there's a lawyer, and go out, and they'll say, well, the other side's saying, he said, they're making fun of the winner.

But an individual, otherwise,

has its problems.

So I think that if you have a problem, and you've got a family that you've got a problem, or you have to look for your personal security,

You ought, you've got to do it.

You've got to do it before the election.

And I have to say that even though I, even though the problem of finding somebody who could be as non-controversial, it's difficult.

Because a non-controversial is important.

And we did this work on this low-profile, and we've done a special low-profile work.

That's what it goes.

Now, some of them criticize me for it.

But in the end of the day, these farm workers, they can probably see tomorrow, are just as far apart as they can be.

They will not be there.

And I haven't been able to bring them in there.

So the right technique has been to let them come forward, and then sponsor them to be behind them.

If I came out there, all of them would cut me out.

But so you had to pick one of them and support them, so you had to pick one of them.

And this was an executive leadership.

But this is the only way that you could survive and not be a drag on the administration.

I think I still think in retrospect our technique has been right.

Well, let me say this.

If you do move in terms of the administration, it's probably best to do it now.

In view of our, well, with the administration, well, quite a bit of fun we've got to bring people up to the looks of it, too.

In other words, nobody else is going to say, well, he's quitting because of the possibility of political democracy.

We've got a lot of support from the country and all that sort of thing.

And that's very important, too.

So I can see that.

What would you, what would you say in terms of, what would be the best in terms of that?

It really doesn't make any difference.

There's never been any time.

On the other hand, you ought to, I think you ought to hit it.

You got to hit it so basically you're,

so that whoever succeeds you will have a year.

Do you know what I mean?

I say a year, a year before the election.

So I think we ought to try and allow that.

Well, I agree with my guess.

You see what I mean?

Otherwise, it looks like, you know, it's sort of a caretaker.

I'd try to get them to come up and say, you know, he really can't just come and say it.

But I pointed out the other part of the law.

I don't think we can wait all through November 2nd.

And then I made a promise to the Senate.

And they won't do that.

Other people don't know the law.

And also, as I said, you might become a liability.

Eric is a co-voter of yours.

Sure is.

Business has to be great.

They all talk as though you are a man.

And I say, we're your great friends, and we'll do this and that.

But you can, like that minister said yesterday, you can count me as your true friends.

It's about all that.

That is a place that you could really talk to once that you're off the top.

I guess it is.

I mean, you have many friends, but I mean, the only person I've talked to really is my grandmother, Linda Rogers.

Yes, for sure.

His advice put me off.

He's good on the legal side.

Of course, you haven't lied to me, but he's done a lot.

I'm not honest, but I had to take an awful hard look at that contract for you.

My daughter, of course, is my daughter.

Well, she's a great planner.

And she's working with one of the best in business.

That's nice.

I'll put it right there.

It'll give her a great thrill, too.

But just kind of nail that on.

and some lump sum payments and all that sort of thing.

But you shouldn't sell out cheap.

You know what I mean?

You shouldn't make them pay.

If they make them pay, you have not made your service any less except for the years I've been in government.

You know what I mean?

It wasn't real.

It's just that they should pay that.

And lawyers, of course, have to make a great deal.

But you're already a great deal to a company.

You'd be a great salesman for that company.

That's why they want you.

They want you to be a good name.

You'll be a good manager.

You'll be a good salesman.

If you get good advice on what other stuff to get into, that's what you want to explore.

Well, that and that plus the section of the company that's been involved in the doctrine.

Two assignments.

They look more than R&D.

And one of them looks to shut off and looks to expand it.

And the other is that they look hard at the entire operation and they're nice and won't put down any risk.

It's a good thing, but the other thing, too, you'll have a lot of fun doing.

You can go out and perhaps you can study in other places and hire good young people to come and work with you and catch you.

And the R.D.s are all good.

Yes.

Oh, yes.

And they have quite good people on there.

Very good.

All right.

Well, I don't know how many people that pay me enough or not.

This is one thing I don't want to work with.

There's been somebody, I haven't been in a position to test them on it.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And, uh, well, let me say this.

About a certain amount.

It doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference.

You know, really, I practically always said, you know, you know, 150 is the hell out there.

Seventy-five, a hundred isn't much of it.

Seventy-five.

Send that in that range.

Seventy-five, a hundred, a hundred, a thousand.

That's very, very good.

And particularly with your $50,000 guarantee, that's a, that's a, that's a patient.

You have a stock option in this term.

It's my only good reason.

And there's a lot of people coming out to share.

And there's a lot of annual complications beyond that, for sure.

And that's where you're going to make a lot of money.

Well, if the stuff goes up, it's structural.

You've got to get up and research and find a way to stop where it's wrong.

That's part of it.

It's bitter.

You might know it.

It's a lot of things.

A lot of bitter things we have.

But, well, I didn't watch your TV.

I watched it on YouTube.

Well, I would say that, I think that if we, if you should do it, if we should do it so that we hit it by a year before the action, you could see the other... No, I'd love to ask about that.

I was the first to grab it every time.

And we just started talking the hell out of those things.

We did some research about that.

And we had to do that.

How do you keep it that way?

No, I don't say anything.

Of course, you've got to talk to your own associates, your own people, right?

And the company and so forth.

And in the meantime, they've done a pretty good job.

And we're already out of their office.

And before Wednesday, since they opened the center, it couldn't happen.

It must be.

And I think somebody said that they did a very remarkable job.

Well, you know, at the moment, it's not dull.

On the economic side, you know, what it really is going to count here more than anything else, and this is something you never want to say in a meeting, but it's just, you know, it's the cabinet.

Our reading counts is whether or not our reading counts were correct.

If they were, we're in trouble.

And what we need to do on the 15th is to buy time and to deal with the psychological confidence factor.

Because if the economy is actually moving up, and if the rate of inflation, even though slowly, is being tripped, then we're not going to be in trouble yet.

She's got to be just as strong.

But God knows where this is going to go now, sir.

And our big task, I didn't say anything yesterday, but the big task we have in this stage two is to make Doc, I'm sure, is strong enough that we don't lose his psychological expectations that we've got across the country.

People can't say, well, there's lots that won't be built there.

We can say, well, don't say that.

They've got to be in the same spirit as the previous class.

In other words, it's solid and it will get the job done.

And I don't think we can fail them.

But I don't think we're getting there.

It's terrible.

It's tough for the reason that the labor guys are so adamant about participating and they don't control it.

But we'll find something.

We've got some smart guys at Stein, Weber, the co-women's office.

I don't know if you can get it here.

Oh, yeah, listen.

I'm going to make a minute for you.

Why don't you do this?

Morgan did a very good job.

He talked to them all.

He called them.

Let's see what I mean.

So then this is just one, as you say, I'll look at it so that we, let's see what the different points of view, you call on one of us to do that.

Would you do that?

Sure.

That's the way we did that.

Now, George called me and said, Hodge, I did the same thing.

I just said, I'll object to what you're talking about.

And then I was listening.

Now, the, uh, truly, it's not a big challenge, and I think it's difficult, but I've never had a policy commission.

And, uh, they're so little careful.

They're looking at it.

Yeah, it's a big chance.

and he looks at me and says, you know, I feel that way.

But you think I'm going to say it publicly, you're crazy as hell.

And that was, the other is the great, is the army, and what they have,

You were explaining all that?

Yes.

Now, Bill Klupas and, uh, John Scott and Kennedy Woods.

Yeah, Klupas, these are pretty strong.

John, did you ask him?

I mentioned, frankly, I like his predecessor, but I think this is, this is about the right time for this fellow to come along.

Yeah, I thought the predecessor would make the difference.

That's right.

He's just, uh, well, he would work with us on legislation.

Coopers is coming home.

Yeah.

Now, he said to us slowly, but he had to bury the land in his attitude.

That was fun.

He went to Harvard, I think, so.

And, uh, well, some of them retired.

We just hired his sons, our big director.

They said, you know, the land.

So the person's supportive.

Well, the person's supportive.

Uh, if, uh, if it would serve your purposes,

to move it to a different date.

Yeah, well, I was just thinking that we could, let's say, by April 15th, and if we get something worked around by then, before then, by April 12th, then this is approximately the 1st of September.

That's a little bit different.

I don't know.

We'll try to have something by the 1st of October before it's done.

I'll have to do some thinking about it, because we want somebody to do this for a year, basically, if necessary.

That's right.

I hate to miss that, but I... Oh, well, you... Give me the camera.

All right.

Well, I'm going to wait.

in no way is considered doing it now doing it right now is the best time the best reason that we take it with the economic conditions the economic conditions we're riding pretty well in China and so therefore now it is possible now it would be like I'm available to do any any kind of special journey or other kind of job call don't worry you'll be on every hand of commissioners when

It's a population.

Our friend, John Rockefeller, I've been very close to John Rockefeller.

He's a nice man.

And you know, he's a man.

Did you hear the thing about prison?

No.

Well, Rockefeller and I told him, I stood with him on it.

You know, at the end of the prison, in the papers,

They demanded amnesty for these prisoners that were holding these guards hostage.

And Rockefeller and Bush, or at least, wouldn't do it.

They just said, I'm not going to give you amnesty.

They couldn't do that.

And so they went in to get them today.

So they killed seven of the guards, the hostages, and 32 prisoners were killed.

So everybody was a little surprised.

But they let the Rockefeller handle it.

Well, they gasped and gave it to him.

But you see that it's the black business.

These are, this is the Angelo Davis Black.

It's not the same sort of a carrier from California.

So, it's a tough job.

Well, it's crazy.

But he had to do it.

I mean, everybody, the reason I call him Rockefeller is that he doesn't know it.

Most of the time, there isn't a guy that would have wanted to compromise it more than he would.

You know, he's basically got very good relations with the Negroes and all that.

And I knew that afterwards everybody, all second-guessers would jump on.

It's like a kidnap ransom.

They said, why don't you give them the ransom?

They killed a baby.

And so it is, they'll stay here.

And so I said, how about you?

You did the right thing.

He could not give them that.

If you do that, every prison in the country, the blacks come in and grab the guys and get free.

So I have a way to run it.

It is about time.

If it's done like this a couple of times, this will stop it.

It may stop it.

32, those 32 will be remembered.

Of course, they'll have a big riot on them.

Well, we'll talk about it.

As I said, I couldn't be more pleased to have you here and would like to have you stay, but in good conscience, I would say this to any cabinet officer who has any security problem.

If he moves, he must move now.

You see, he must because, uh, I know from experience that's what they want you to do.

Well, I wish, uh, somewhere along the line that I made a little money, but, you know, I have no regrets.

You had a good time.

But, you know, we'd more often to the, uh, the Gitter King.

Oh, of course, of course.

He raised a beautiful family, and, and, uh, she had a daughter, and a son-in-law, and I had a fine couple.

Well, that's right.

That's right.

Incidentally, a young man is working for the Justice Mountains.

I don't know if he's there or not.

I know.

I told him.

But he would be very useful.

This kid is good.

He understands politics.

I like his books.

All right.

All of us got them in mind.

And that girl, too.

All right.

Thank you very much.