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Is there time to do the re-voting?

I'm not sure that it's a good idea.

Maybe just to let them do it.

Okay.

Well, out of your own comfort, sit down, sit down.

Yeah, you were awesome.

Out in, uh, out in, uh, I heard that you, uh, found the, uh, the, uh,

Now, while Father Maynard, who was my attorney, said this and got off the helicopter, he managed it.

So I was wrong.

See, when I took McCroskey out of the helicopter, everybody was lined right up waiting for us.

But people were basically very shy and tired, because we had a lot of people.

And I draw them out, and I tell them, hey, we've got 25 conversations.

that 100% believe that they own everything.

They know, you know, what it's going to be doing for them.

And there's really political silence.

You have to sit down, really, and say, oh, to a man, you know, I want to go back.

And I say, if the war's over tomorrow, if peace comes, would you go back to the village and go, oh, well, if that's allowed, you know, it's going to be easy to, you know, from old ladies to young boys, you know.

And I assume, you know, I really believe there's a subjective and, you know, kind of a,

a few of them were arguing with her, because I've been trying to argue with her actually, and I didn't, you know, just subject her to any reference emotionally.

But her plan is setting up a speech intervention in two weeks, and I'm going to go after her.

I told the general that I went up to him on the floor yesterday, and I said I was very disappointed with him.

He said, why's that?

I said, well, a lot of the things you said just didn't bear out, and now he really isn't upset.

Well, you know,

terrible reflection on the guy when he'd go out and deliberately lie.

We understand.

In other words, lie hurts the country.

It hurts the country.

I mean, these guys, you know, I've met a few people over there who have turned back again to save this poor, miserable country.

And this is for, as you say, shy, perturbed people.

And so what happens?

I asked the leaders of all the villages there, I said,

Have you ever heard of a refugee going to the north of the United States with a baton in his mouth?

The other way, he says, no, I've never heard of anybody other than those who were forced to, who have gone north of the United States.

All the refugees that come into the south, in Cambodia or India, often come to the south of the United States.

So it's pretty obvious that he, as I said before, he's arguing with some of us on such an irrational and emotional point that

uh... uh...

I went into, I had dinner with Ambassador Bunker and General Abrams, and I just got back from my career and I was really impressed with their effort.

I was there in 68 with the NFL football team, with Bart Starr and Alex Hallworth, and, you know, I was very intent offensive, and the situation then, of course, was very insecure.

And today, you know, in Jeff's position, it's a fantastic improvement.

And I just got back, I was all charged up, and talking about the magnificent effort that was being made, and the Ambassador asked me,

And they were very, they just met with two about four o'clock in the afternoon and everybody was on edge.

They bought out the jet camp and they were scared to death.

I came in there and started talking about the presidential elections in Saigon and basically what I did, I said, what's your reaction?

And I said, well, gee, it's a magnificent effort and now we've got to get busy.

And I was talking about you.

I said, we've got to get the presidential election so we can finish the job over here.

And they were talking about President Two and I'm telling you the whole place is set up and all the, but you're, I said, I don't mean that.

I mean the other one.

I agree with your statement today.

To allow an unfortunate turn of events to deter us from our stated objective would be...

What a murderous young church.

Now, the way to get out is not to murder.

You know, rotation, too.

Uh, by having others, too.

Uh, something is...

What standard are we requesting in Vietnam?

Well, we think they should have American-style democracy.

We didn't have it for 110 years or 150, the greatest of 500 years.

If we were to cut off aid to countries that do not have, whose leaders are in office as a result of a non-contested election, if we were to cut off aid to all countries,

And yet their leaders did not win as a result of a contested election that we would consider fair.

We had to cut off eight and two-thirds of the countries in the world in the 91 we're aiding today.

Now, as far as we and others are concerned, what have they done?

They haven't had an election in two lives, but some elections better than none, and spurred and sacked on a congressional

the congressional side, a third of all of those who ran were opponents of Cuba.

And some of them claimed it was not, they couldn't win because it was unfair, so they're in.

And Cuba at least has provided for a referendum.

Now we prefer, if they had an election, we prefer it to be another way, but we cannot expect it to grow full of all, and we're not gonna give up on this effort because it's a political moment.

So I can play it very hard and very tough.

We cut it off, Jack.

We got to cut off all those damn animals.

Yeah.

That's right.

Well, this is going to interject a little bit.

Well, he's right.

But here's the gutter.

Walking down the street in Saigon, I can guarantee you there was no way he would have been shopping in Saigon two years ago.

Two years ago.

Period.

Two shopping vans.

See that picture on the front page?

He'd been out shopping in Saigon.

And I was there as a kid, and there was no way he would have been a shopping van.

And he says, and he turns around hypocritically and says, the information does not work.

Well, those people are farming, and they are, there's commerce, and there's growth, and they're building, and they wouldn't be building if there was such insecurity, as he says.

The atomization has a purpose, too, in the shop.

Yeah, too, talking back, walking down the streets of Saigon, and you turn around and say, the atomization has worked.

Well, listen, I appreciate your time.

I just, the, um...

We're going to go up there and I think we're going to do a good job of the church on him.

I am far out on that land again.

I'm glad to be here.

I believe in it.

I think it's a magnificent effort and I really want to be a part of it.

I am told that my district is a 70% Catholic.

Highest percentage of Catholics are white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, and my other district is another part of the district is Jewish.

So I'm here to tell you how important it is to sell jets and to save the parochial schools.

I don't know what I just heard you say, I think you already did.

The first president never did a damn thing about it.

And 9-4 has crossed all the way, for God's sake.

I have about five million American kids on the public schools.

It costs an initial amount of four and a half million dollars in new money to build schools and facilities to take care of the five million kids that are in primary schools.

And it costs four and a half million dollars a year to keep them in there.

So I believe that just looking at it from a pure monetary standpoint, part of it, and another good thing is that it's to the interest to keep these schools open.

We're going to try to help everybody we can.

Having in mind, in fact, the Supreme Court has made it very difficult for us to do it, but we're working on it.

We're working on it.

We've done a lot.

One thing you could do in talking to the conservatives, they raged about it, they said it was suspending because of national offense.

Jack, look, who the hell is fighting the national offense?

I fought for ABM one by one the whole time.

I'm fighting the bastards in the draft.

They want to get rid of the draft.

They get rid of the draft.

America's number two in the world today.

And also they get rid of the draft.

All of our peace initiatives with the Russians and the Chinese are down to two.

That's what happens.

You cannot negotiate from weakness.

Now, I don't get rid of the draft sometimes.

I mean, if people want to talk about the computer and all that sort of thing.

But right now, we can't listen at the time.

With your Jewish friends, actually, you've got to play that role.

And you should take a further outline than I can go, President Jacobs.

I've got to keep pressure on them to make them try to negotiate something.

You should say we can't.

maintaining that Israel is the most democratic government in the area, that it stood up against the Russians, that they are our friends, that maintain Israel's strength, that the President just said that the balance of power in the area must be maintained, and that therefore you consider just for Israel to be the

But in all my speeches, I also quote you.

That's right.

But I'll tell you, you should go further.

I have.

Go right out there.

I have.

Stick it right out there and say, I'm for it all the way.

Yeah.

I guess they're interested in that, some people.

Yeah.

They're like gentlemen.

They don't care where you go, any other issue, you know.

But just so you're clear, Israel, and I got a big award for the day, Britain, the other night, and my recording record has been, you know, all the way.

Well.

But, um,

I was thinking maybe you could go out and help the Redskins out there.

No, you're not that far out.

Maybe you could go to Kilmer and help the Redskins.

And Kilmer Crowe?

He's not a thrower like Sonny, but he's a tough little competitor.

Is he?

Yes, sir.

Where did he play before?

He stayed away.

Then he went to New Orleans.

Yeah, he was a killer.

He stayed away.

Yeah, and then he went to New Orleans.

You never know.

Everybody thought the Vikings would go to pieces when they lost their quarterback.

And they didn't.

They were so great.

That's right.

Quarterback is indispensable to you.

The pills are really bad because they sent me to Washington.

I told them.

They didn't want them.

Who was their quarterback?

They had a dentist job in San Diego State.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we had him from the Packers, didn't we?

No.

Who was the one that was there?

Horne was in the Packers.

Horne.

He's always around here.

He's the doctor in the hospital.

Yeah, I met Shell.

Shell was in San Diego State.

And it was the first time I got to his last year.

He's done real well for the Bulls.

I do not really appreciate your support.

And you know, as far as I have my patience in being part of the mission, on the 120th anniversary of the Diocese of Montmorency, you know, we're far down the road.

And we have a cardinal coming to the mission.

We want you to come up there.

Can I ask you something that's a little bit stronger?

The 125th anniversary of what this is going to be in April of next year.

I'll send you the bill tomorrow.

Anyway, I'll tell you who you should talk to, Jack.

You know, Dwight Chapin.

He's got all those, all the listening in that April of next year might be impossible at the time.

All right, get going.

Get soft, all right?

All right.