{"conversationCode":"574-010","tapeNumber":574,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-574-010","startDateTime":"1971-09-17T16:01:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-17T16:05:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Sep-1971","startTime":"12:01 PM","endDate":"17-Sep-1971","endTime":"12:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:01 pm to 12:05 pm. 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Muskie's statement on a Black Vice President\n\n          -Possible questions directed at Ziegler\n          -Black Vice President\n               -Potential candidacy\n               -Propriety of White House response on issue\n               -Preferences of electorate\n          -Black President\n          -Voting prerogatives\n          -Creed or color\n          -US people\n               -Voting for Presidents\n     -Trade\n          -Canada\n               -Ziegler’s possible responses\n               -Jim Deakin of St. Louis Post-Dispatch\n                     -Japan\n                           -US position\n                           -Overseas\n                                 -Customer\n                           -As US customer\n                     -Canada\n                           -Japan compared to Canada\n                           -Overseas relations\n                     -Japan\n                           -Overseas customer\n                                 -Percentage\n                           -Exports\n                                 -US\n\nThe President’s news conferences of September 16, 1971\n     -Press reaction\n          -Peter A. Lisagor\n          -Ziegler’s comments\n                -Story\n          -Stories\n     -Vietnam\n          -Ngo Dinh Diem\n          -Nguyen Van Thieu\n\nThe President's schedule\n     -Upcoming meeting with bowlers\n          -Pictures\n\n                      -Bowling alley\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:01 pm..\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Group\n                -Size\n          -Picture\n                -White House photographer [Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins]\n          -Bowling alley\n          -Press\n                -Location\n          -Photographs\n                -Slides\n          -Executive secretary\n                -Introduction\n\nZiegler and Bull left at 12:05 pm.","filename":["574a.mp3","574b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:08:36","tapeEnd":"03:15:07","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"574-009","nextCode":"574-011","tapeTranscriptFile":"574a.mp3,574b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":11378.92,"end":11395.09,"text":"I may get one of our enemies out there to question along this line."},{"start":11395.55,"end":11406.3,"text":"Ron, going back to President's remarks in press coverage yesterday on the black vice president, does the president feel that a black vice president could win now?"},{"start":11407.05,"end":11418.89,"text":"The President will not discuss, and you as the press secretary will not discuss, will not go into the... Will not add to what you said."},{"start":11418.95,"end":11420.17,"text":"Will not add to what I said."},{"start":11420.19,"end":11422.83,"text":"The President's statement is complete."},{"start":11423.14,"end":11424.77,"text":"I'm not going to go on."},{"start":11424.8,"end":11427.52,"text":"I don't want you to get into the political side."},{"start":11427.62,"end":11434.4,"text":"I'm simply... You could simply say that what the President said was that he believes that..."},{"start":11435.95,"end":11452.55,"text":"that to suggest to suggest that the American people is that the American people will go down."},{"start":11453.25,"end":11458.69,"text":"Both are prejudices."},{"start":11460.71,"end":11462.81,"text":"Both are prejudices."},{"start":11467.85,"end":11469.52,"text":"I think it's said so well."},{"start":11469.54,"end":11469.7,"text":"I do, too."},{"start":11469.72,"end":11471.42,"text":"I just wanted to get a feel of it."},{"start":11471.52,"end":11478.12,"text":"I was going to say, well, the main thing is I didn't want to get any more political questions on the president."},{"start":11478.14,"end":11479.56,"text":"I thought it was an answer."},{"start":11479.58,"end":11481.34,"text":"I think that's the best way to go about it."},{"start":11481.36,"end":11481.66,"text":"I agree."},{"start":11481.72,"end":11484,"text":"I just wanted to get your feel on it."},{"start":11484.02,"end":11485.33,"text":"I thought it was an answer."},{"start":11487.13,"end":11488.29,"text":"Is that right, President?"},{"start":11488.39,"end":11488.47,"text":"Yes."},{"start":11490.52,"end":11501.14,"text":"But I don't want to say that, because that's, I think, I think what I should say to the President, I'm not going to get into it."},{"start":11501.18,"end":11510.57,"text":"The President said yesterday that he doesn't believe that the American people would or should vote against any man because of race, creed, color, period."},{"start":11511.78,"end":11527.5,"text":"that attempt to suggest that the American people, and it's not, will be motivated primarily by prejudice."},{"start":11527.78,"end":11531.58,"text":"I think it's a misjudgment."},{"start":11531.6,"end":11533.89,"text":"I don't know that this will come up."},{"start":11533.94,"end":11536.67,"text":"I just know that we did it."},{"start":11536.75,"end":11541.35,"text":"I didn't want to go that far."},{"start":11542.33,"end":11542.64,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":11542.67,"end":11546.88,"text":"Don't cover it with the press if they ask you to do it."},{"start":11547.24,"end":11547.74,"text":"Don't cover it."},{"start":11547.8,"end":11551.58,"text":"But all who asked the question, who was there?"},{"start":11551.72,"end":11552.1,"text":"Who was?"},{"start":11552.16,"end":11554.4,"text":"Who said after the conference?"},{"start":11554.5,"end":11554.94,"text":"Jim Beacon."},{"start":11555.12,"end":11556.22,"text":"Jim Beacon, the senator."},{"start":11556.26,"end":11557.78,"text":"Jim Beacon, the senator."},{"start":11557.9,"end":11558.94,"text":"What is it?"},{"start":11558.98,"end":11563.44,"text":"What I was referring to is Japan's argues overseas customer."},{"start":11563.46,"end":11564.48,"text":"Right."},{"start":11564.5,"end":11565.68,"text":"We are Japan's biggest customer."},{"start":11565.74,"end":11567.38,"text":"We buy 30% of all of Japan's actual goods."},{"start":11569.18,"end":11570.44,"text":"They are our biggest overseas customer."},{"start":11570.58,"end":11570.7,"text":"Right."},{"start":11571.8,"end":11579.16,"text":"As a matter of fact, with Canada, you could buy something just because of that."},{"start":11579.22,"end":11580.49,"text":"It comes very close to the..."},{"start":11580.73,"end":11582.65,"text":"I don't think there'll be a follow-up."},{"start":11583.13,"end":11589.15,"text":"You might just, if you, Deacon is no good, but you just might see how big it is overseas."},{"start":11589.25,"end":11591.56,"text":"East gets wider, though, if I walk up to it."},{"start":11591.6,"end":11593.1,"text":"Yeah, that's just so that the money..."},{"start":11593.75,"end":11596.92,"text":"What I'm saying is that Japan is our biggest overseas customer."},{"start":11596.93,"end":11600.3,"text":"I think that's bigger than any customer in Europe and bigger overseas."},{"start":11600.32,"end":11605.78,"text":"In the Americas, it wasn't related to Asia, it wasn't related to China."},{"start":11606.46,"end":11608.98,"text":"We are, of course, Japan's biggest customer."},{"start":11609.06,"end":11611.24,"text":"About 30% is the biggest customer."},{"start":11611.6,"end":11618.42,"text":"All of Japan's exports are sold to the United States."},{"start":11618.46,"end":11622.95,"text":"Well, it seems that they have to, I know this was a good interview, they seem to have quite a"},{"start":11625.42,"end":11628.69,"text":"Well, they're very positive, aren't they?"},{"start":11629.89,"end":11631.81,"text":"They were, yes, they did."},{"start":11631.87,"end":11636.76,"text":"I mentioned a couple people that..."},{"start":11638.86,"end":11643.13,"text":"The sword was out, and she hit back in it so fast, no one saw it."},{"start":11643.35,"end":11644.71,"text":"That was beautiful."},{"start":11645.19,"end":11647.35,"text":"And that's their general reaction to it."},{"start":11647.37,"end":11649.47,"text":"Well, there were stories this morning."},{"start":11649.51,"end":11649.99,"text":"Yes, ma'am."},{"start":11650.37,"end":11660.66,"text":"In fact, the way to get in and out is by murder at the end."},{"start":11660.86,"end":11663.36,"text":"The way to get out is not by murder, too."},{"start":11663.38,"end":11664.18,"text":"Right."},{"start":11664.22,"end":11664.48,"text":"Right."},{"start":11669.54,"end":11671.02,"text":"I guess, whatever I meant."},{"start":11671.04,"end":11672.74,"text":"I'm sorry, Pam, I think she should have stayed up tonight."},{"start":11672.76,"end":11678,"text":"Well, I told you what several of them said, and she was a little late, but I don't know how that happened."},{"start":11678.02,"end":11679.89,"text":"I didn't want to take that picture here."},{"start":11679.92,"end":11682.57,"text":"Well, there's some discussion about you going over the bowling alley with the child."},{"start":11687.14,"end":11687.84,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":11687.86,"end":11688.3,"text":"Thank 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