Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 574 › Conversation 574-013
Nixon, Rogers & Butterfield on Kennedy Center and Entertainment industry
Friday, September 17, 1971 · 12:34 PM–12:49 PM ET · Oval Office
AI Summary
President Nixon met with entertainer Ginger Rogers and Alexander P. Butterfield to discuss the arts, the entertainment industry, and cultural shifts in American media. They exchanged views on the architecture and acoustics of the Kennedy Center, the decline of moral values in contemporary films, and the challenges faced by conservative-leaning entertainers. The conversation concluded with Nixon gifting Rogers a presidential compact and expressing his appreciation for her political support.
- Kennedy Center
- Entertainment industry
- Moral values
- Film and theater
- Presidential relations
- Cultural commentary
Audio
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NARA Description
On September 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ginger Rogers, Alexander P. Butterfield, Manolo Sanchez, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:34 pm to 12:49 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 574-013 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 574-13
Date: September 17, 1971
Time: 12:34 pm - 12:49 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Ginger Rogers and Alexander P. Butterfield.
Rogers's schedule
-Future plans
-Long Island theater appearance
-Coco
-California
-Dean Martin
Broadway musical Coco
-Plot
-Success
-Katherine Hepburn
-Plot
-Music
Modern music
The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
-Architecture
-Modern style
-Exterior
-Interior
-Acoustics
-Los Angeles Music Center
-Acoustics
-Symphony
-Music
-Igor Stravinsky
-Jazz
-Symphony
-Ludwig Van Beethoven
-Pyotr Ilych Tchaikovsky
-Franz Liszt
-Modern style of music
-Leonard Bernstein
-Wolf Trap performing arts park
-Orchestra
An unknown person [Manolo Sanchez] entered at an unknown time after 12:34 pm.
Refreshments
-Coffee
The unknown person [Sanchez] left at an unknown time before 12:49 pm.
Wolf Trap performing arts park
-Acoustics
-Curtain
Kennedy Center
-Tour
-Rogers
-Arrangements
-Car
-David Bradley
-Leonard Garment, Carol Harford, [Nancy Hanks]
Henry A. Kissinger
-Francis A. (“Frank”) Sinatra
-Bennet A. Cerf
-Death
Rogers's family
-Mrs. Phyllis F. Cerf
-Relation to Rogers
Rogers
-Career
-Effect on people
Acting profession
-Difficulty
-Effect on people
-Reward
Movies and theater
-Values
-No, No, Nannette
-Audience reaction
-Type of material
Present day values
-Morals
-Articles
-Rogers
-Decency
-Movies
-Writers
-The National Press Club
Photograph
Rogers
-New York City
-Fred Astaire
-Theater performance
-Hello Dolly
-Fiorello
-South Pacific
-My Fair Lady
-Oklahoma
-Brigadoon
-Comparison to present day shows
Movies
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-The President's trips to Camp David
-California
-Age of movies selected for viewing
-John Wayne
-Rogers's movies
-Present day movies
-Sex
-Women
-Clothing
-Removal of element of mystery
-Nudity
-Reactions by audience
-Youth
-Demoralization
-Morale
The White House photographer and members of the press entered at an unknown time after
12:34 pm.
Professional bowlers
-Champions
-National Bowlers Champion
-Meeting at bowling alley
-President’s bowling
The White House photographer and members of the press were no longer present at an unknown
time before 12:49 pm.
Presidential gifts
-Compact
-Mrs. Nixon
-Presidential seal
-Cufflinks
Rogers's support for the President
Celebrities
-Work
-Las Vegas
-Broadway
-Business
-Lack of support for conservatives
-Stance of entertainment industry celebrities
-James (“Jimmy”) Stewart
-John Wayne
-Richard (“Red”) Skelton
-Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope
Rogers
Rogers and Butterfield left at 12:49 pm.Also recorded on September 17, 1971
- 009-062 11:45 AM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:45 am and 4:28 pm.
- 574-010 12:01 PM · 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:01 pm to 12:05 pm.
- 574-011 12:05 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Aida L. Gonzalez, Edwin R. Luther, Mrs. Edwin R. Luther, Frank K. Baker, Mrs. Albert E. Crowe, Mabel Marrs, Harold Davis, John Meek, Michael Wilson, Henry C. Cashen, II, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:05 pm to 12:14 pm.
- 574-012 12:14 PM · 3 min — Alexander P. Butterfield and United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:34 pm.
- 574-014 12:49 PM · 36 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at 12:49 pm.
- 574-015 12:50 PM · 22 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John H. Geiger, William F. Hauck, Ralph Bates, Charles W. Colson, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:50 pm to 1:12 pm.
- 575-001 1:13 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, David C. Hoopes, Lorenzo N. Hoopes, White House photographer, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:13 pm to 1:15 pm.
- 575-002 1:17 PM · 1 hr 17 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:17 pm to 2:32 pm.
Cite this conversation
Conversation 574-013, September 17, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/574-013 (accessed October 12, 2026).