{"conversationCode":"575-005","tapeNumber":575,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-575-005","startDateTime":"1971-09-17T20:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-17T20:41:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Sep-1971","startTime":"4:34 PM","endDate":"17-Sep-1971","endTime":"4:41 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Stafford, Robert T.; Stafford, Helen C.; Houston, Neil; Timmons, William E.; Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On September 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert T. Stafford, Helen C. Stafford, Neil Houston, William E. Timmons, and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:34 pm to 4:41 pm. 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Colson.\n\n     Greetings\n\n     Colson\n\n     Stafford’s hometown\n\n     Press photographs\n\nMembers of the press entered at an unknown time after 4:34 pm.\n\n     Supreme Court\n          -Forthcoming announcement\n               -Resignation\n                    -Hugo Black\n                    -Hospital\n\n     [Photographs]\n\nMembers of the press left at an unknown time before 4:41 pm.\n\n     Presidential gifts\n          -Cuff links\n          -Stafford's secretaries\n          -Golf balls\n          -Paperweight\n\n     Congress\n         -House of Representatives\n              -The President’s experience\n         -Senator\n              -Activities\n              -Beliefs\n                    -Causes\n              -Vermont\n\n                        -Weight of representation in Senate\n                             -New York\n                             -Pennsylvania\n                             -California\n                                   -William F. Knowland\n                                   -Hiram Johnson\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 17s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n      Controversy\n\n      Regards\n\n      Presidential gifts\n\n      Stafford\n            -Qualifications\n            -Staff\n                  -Employment\n                        -Governor's term\n            -Mrs. Stafford\n\nStafford, et al. left at 4:41 pm.","filename":["575a.mp3","575b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:32:59","tapeEnd":"01:39:32","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Stafford, Robert T.","Stafford, Helen C.","Houston, Neil","Timmons, William E.","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"575-004","nextCode":"575-006","tapeTranscriptFile":"575a.mp3,575b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":5595.54,"end":5595.9,"text":"You know what?"},{"start":5595.94,"end":5599.19,"text":"We've got a little control over that now."},{"start":5734.91,"end":5735.14,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5735.15,"end":5735.35,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5735.38,"end":5735.84,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":5735.86,"end":5736.06,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5736.08,"end":5736.26,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5736.28,"end":5736.46,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5736.48,"end":5736.74,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5736.76,"end":5736.96,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5736.98,"end":5737.16,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5765.97,"end":5767.13,"text":"Let's see, you'll need another... You have a pair of covers?"},{"start":5767.15,"end":5767.43,"text":"You have now."},{"start":5767.45,"end":5767.69,"text":"Bob, you have..."},{"start":5767.71,"end":5768.11,"text":"There's another pair."},{"start":5768.13,"end":5768.73,"text":"Why don't you lay down there?"},{"start":5768.75,"end":5769.75,"text":"And, uh... Oh, bring me one of the, you know, these, uh..."},{"start":5769.77,"end":5770.17,"text":"Here, you get the two."},{"start":5770.19,"end":5770.89,"text":"It's not expensive, but it's nice."},{"start":5770.91,"end":5771.29,"text":"And, uh... Let's see."},{"start":5771.33,"end":5771.99,"text":"Bob, if you're going to come back..."},{"start":5794.9,"end":5797.64,"text":"How many, uh, how many girls are in the office in Michigan?"},{"start":5831.46,"end":5832.48,"text":"Coming to me is Arsene, speaking in Spanish."},{"start":5897.91,"end":5898.47,"text":"So it's really, really great."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":5579,"end":5972,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Representative Robert T. Stafford, his wife Helen, and members of his staff to discuss political matters and engage in a photo opportunity with the press. During the session, the President formally announced the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black. The participants also engaged in informal conversation regarding the President’s past experience in the House of Representatives and exchanged commemorative presidential gifts.","topics":["Supreme Court","Hugo Black","Robert T. 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