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Nixon, George & Schaefer on Miss America and Television and Film

Monday, September 20, 1971 · 12:10 PM–12:24 PM ET · Oval Office · 17 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); George, Phyllis A.; Schaefer, Laurie Lee; Chevager, Dorothy; Bull, Stephen B.; Atkins, Oliver F. ("Ollie"); Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation576-013 on Tape 576 (tape position 06:15:28–06:32:32)StartMonday, September 20, 1971 at 12:10 PMEndMonday, September 20, 1971 at 12:24 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 576-013 ↗

President Nixon hosted a social visit in the Oval Office for Miss America titleholders Phyllis George and Laurie Lee Schaefer, alongside their family members and White House staff. The conversation touched upon the participants' professional aspirations in television and film, as well as the President's personal views on current trends in the entertainment industry. Nixon also engaged in lighthearted discussions regarding sports, specifically football and the potential relocation of the Washington Senators baseball team, before concluding the meeting by presenting presidential gifts to his guests.

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Yes, sir.
This person is Laura Shaffer.
She's American, I can tell you that.
She's American, I can tell you that.
She's American, I can tell you that.
She's American, I can tell you that.
She's American, I can tell you that.
She's American, I can tell you that.
She's American, I can tell you that.
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I don't want to be a sportsman.
I don't want to be a sportsman.
I'm very impressed with my daughter's book.
I didn't get to see it.
I lost it because I was sleeping or something.
But very impressed with the way you both handled the beauty side of it, the brain side of it, the character side of it.
Thank you.
And the way we interview is, you know, when they ask me these questions, this is when you've made your, after you left, you decided to talk about problems of America.
how we ought to face them, whether to go with the, well, I wouldn't say hatred, but I mean, one has to be called square, that's for sure.
But the main point is that both of you, in your case, you spoke up for what is not considered quite fashionable at some time.
Yeah, I mean, what's wrong with that?
But anyway, there was notice, and this time for you,
What are you going to do now?
Well, thank you.
and doing interviews and other shows.
Excellent.
Like Virginia Federer, I was on TV with my wife the other day at a television show.
And this is a great, great deal.
It's a great deal.
That's good.
That's good.
And it's better than some of the movies.
Movies are more money.
And so forth.
I don't know.
That's what I want to know.
It's immediate.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This part of that one.
Well, from what I've seen in present day movies, there aren't many parts either.
Yeah, I'm sure you guys have seen it.
It's been a long day.
It's been a long day, yeah.
It's been a nice day.
It's been a nice day.
She said, Lord, would you ever be interested in doing a movie?
And so I walked into the office and said, all right, I'm going to tell you.
Yeah, well, this is going to go through a different plan.
Well, actually, I had a very interesting one.
I was talking to Roger, and she said, Tom, you're a cocoon.
You were talking about movies like that.
And it's not all bad.
There are lots of very good movies.
And the difficulty is that the movies inevitably reflect what maybe the producers currently decide what they think is not good.
Unfortunately, they've just gone overboard on the stuff that is just way out there.
Now, it happens that those next movies have gone down in popularity by last year, which is good.
Now, that doesn't mean that everything has to be, you know, peaches and cream.
I mean, they even have rock movies and the rest.
But I think the American people want to see something like that.
But when I was a girl, I was a pretty good star.
And if I did, I'd be talking to John Wayne White.
I have to say, though, the three of us were with Patrick White.
And when we wrote this, the man that starred in Patrick White, and the little house that's now a show, and he wrote that because they're the white thing, and he only does that because they're the worst thing, and they get hungry.
So that was at least rewarding to know that.
And I was with Patrick White, and I'll tell you what that happened.
Oh, yeah.
He had a cutie.
I remember that.
He was very cute.
All right.
Well, now let's take a look at our individual characters first.
One of you stand on that one, and we'll get one individual.
One, two, three.
That's a lot.
But you did write a song, didn't you?
It is, Nick.
Eat your wine.
Ah, do you want to come with me?
Let me tell you, I'm done talking to you.
This is for you.
It might be worth another time.
Do you recommend it, though?
I was commenting on it before.
Oh, yes.
It's just beautiful.
Yes.
Yes.
And now let's get, let's get some family shots.
I see Woody Hayes, another great teenager.
He went to Ohio University in Athens.
That's a great story.
Great story.
Listen, I saw them in the beginning, and sadly, what they were talking about, you know, is that they won.
The way the most, the hallmarks of that, I mean, did you notice the, or she was probably an expert on certain things, the way they're often asking why.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's right.
That's correct.
Okay, we got it.
That Texas team, they have very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
All right.
All right.
All right.
yeah yeah yeah
What a ball.
It's a good ball.
It's a good ball.
It's a good ball.
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When Nebraska's gonna be number one.
That's right.
I got the sticker on my car.
Nebraska all the way.
Oh, no, thanks.
I don't want you to know that you can't get rid of this man.
He's going to get more and more in your hands.
It's not possible.
I don't want to get into a distraction of all of your hands.
It's a problem.
Please, sir, don't arrest me.
I don't want you to know that.
I, of course, would not want to deny the Texas, Dallas area.
But I do hope that we have something to be worked out.
Major baseball is not going to be Washington.
I think it's going to be a great tradition going back.
I think back to the days of Walter Johnson.
I had a lot of pictures of him in Washington.
The first ball.
And I do think that Washington, and so do their supporters, the way they're supporting me, they've always supported the Redskins.
I believe that they just couldn't make it.
But Heather Hamlet, if the decision is to move, I would very much hope that the American people would find a way to get the...
I noticed I watched some of the comments, and I think that was one of the voices that came on.
I think I've got enough of that feeling.
I'll probably get a call from the commission.
This is an old Senator's fan.
It's just perfect for Washington.
not have a baseball team.
We'd have a great stadium and we'd have a, and frankly, I think this is the first Washington team that's got some fine possibilities, it's quite original.
And, uh, they're, uh, they're, uh, they're young, they're young in the field, there's, uh, some of those out there that are coming up, they have potential to do it.
And so...
Anyway, that explains what the Senator said.
David?
Oh, he's just practically up the wall.
He didn't mention David or anyone.
I thought David left to go on a cruise.
I thought he was going on the island.
But he, of course, traveled with it, Senator, as you recall, last year.
I said, well, you always have all the affection for a team, for the manager of 1048.
Of course, it's funny.
We'll see.
Thank you.
Let's find a way to do this.
Goodbye.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah
Now, uh, for each of you, for each of you, we've got a big list of these trams that go up there.
Now, you see this is the President's Seal.
Now, you see how nice this is marked, this is how it goes through.
There's a little compact, not very nice, but it has the President's Seal on it.
One for you, two.
That's the President's Seal.
Now, this is the President's Seal with the boat where,
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Santa?
Yeah.
You know, speaking of Santa Devine, this is a little out of your generation, you know, you're accomplished for a while.
Did you know that he was a, that he's a, uh, football referee?
Santa Devine, Santa Devine, Santa Devine, Santa Devine, Santa Devine, Santa Devine.
was a, was so accomplished an athlete that he was a football referee in and for major complications through the years.
But partly today, and I guess soon, he has all of them.
All of them are excited.
All right.
All right.

On September 20, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Phyllis A. George, Laurie Lee Schaefer, Dorothy Chevager, Stephen B. Bull, Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:10 pm to 12:24 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 576-013 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 576-013

Date: September 20, 1971
Time: 12:10 pm - 12:24 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Phyllis A. George, Mrs. George, Laurie Lee Schaefer, Eleanor Schaefer,
Dorothy Chevager, Stephen B. Bull, and Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins.

     Laurie Lee Schaefer

     Phyllis A. George

     Mrs. George

     Eleanor Schaefer

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

     Miss America pageant
          -View of Julie Eisenhower and Tricia Cox
               -Miss America 1971, 1972
                     -Handling of interviews
                           -Comments
          -Future of Miss George
               -Acting profession
               -Television
                     -Women
                           -President’s conversation with Virginia Sherwood
               -Decision making

     Movies
         -The President's conversation with Ginger Rogers
              -Reflection of producers' view’s of marketplace
                    -X-rated movies
              -Tone
                    -John Wayne
                          -Patrick Wayne

Ronald L. Ziegler, and members of the press entered at an unknown time after 12:10 pm.

     [Photographs]

     College football
          -Woody Hayes

     Ohio University

     [Photographs]

     Football
          -University of Texas
          -Cotton Bowl game, 1971
          -Nebraska

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

            -Notre Dame

     Baseball
          -American League
          -Robert Short
          -Move of Washington Senators team to Dallas, Texas
          -Walter Johnson
          -Washington as sports town
                -Support for Redskins football team
          -Baltimore Orioles schedule
          -Washington baseball team
                -Prospects
                -Harmon Killebrew
                -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                     -Reaction
                -Ted Williams

Members of the press left at an unknown time before 12:24 pm.

     Presidential gifts
          -Seal
                -Theodore Roosevelt
          -Compacts
          -Golf balls

     Bowling

     Congressman Samuel L. Devine from Ohio
         -As football referee in college games

George, Schaefer, et al. left at 12:24 pm.
  • 576-011 11:47 AM · 13 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, John N. Mitchell, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:47 am and 12:01 pm.
  • 009-093 11:59 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John N. Mitchell talked on the telephone from 11:59 am to 12:00 pm.
  • 009-094 12:00 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:00 pm and 12:45 pm.
  • 576-012 12:01 PM · 39 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:01 pm and 12:10 pm.
  • 576-014 12:24 PM · 17 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:24 pm to 12:25 pm.
  • 576-015 12:25 PM · 53 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald G. S. Au, Andre LeTendre, George T. Bell, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:25 pm and 12:44 pm.
  • 577-001 12:25 PM · 18 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald G. S. Au, Andre LeTendre, George T. Bell, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:25 pm and 12:44 pm.
  • 577-002 12:44 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:44 pm to 12:45 pm.

Conversation 576-013, September 20, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/576-013 (accessed October 12, 2026).