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Start Date: 30-Sep-1971 9:22 AM

End Date: 30-Sep-1971 9:54 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Bush, George H. W.[Unknown person(s)]Ehrlichman, John D.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:26:16

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:10:12

581a.mp3

581b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, George H. W. Bush, unknown person(s), and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:22 am to 9:54 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 581-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 581-2

Date: September 30, 1971
Time: 9:22 am - 9:54 am
Location: Oval Office
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)



Henry A. Kissinger met with George H.W. Bush.


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The President entered at an unknown time after 9:22 am.

     Greetings

     Taiwan's position in the United Nations [UN]
         -Debate and voting
               -Kissinger’s trip to the People's Republic of China [PRC]
         -Procedural vote
               -Type of results
               -Sir Alexander F. (“Alec”) Douglas-Home
                     -Handling of vote
         -First vote
               -Important question vote
         -Procedural vote
         -Albanian resolution
               -Voting results
               -Dual representation
         -Situation
               -Scandinavian countries
         -US-PRC relations
               -Date of trip by Kissinger
                     -UN vote
                            -Date, projections
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 581-2 (cont.)


                -Timing compared to 1970
-Forthcoming vote
     -Possible options for us actions
          -Security council
     -US domestic politics
     -US strategy
          -Handling of vote
     -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
          -Ronald L. Ziegler's press release
          -Preparations
          -Press coverage
                -Impact
     -Debate
          -Date
     -Albania
          -Date of debate, vote
                -Delay
     -US speech
          -Timing
                -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
     -Debate
          -Date
     -Procedure at united nations
          -Handling
                -William P. Rogers
                -Speech
                       -Timing
          -US speech
                -Voting procedure
                       -Possible results
          -Allies
     -Japan
          -Situation
          -US
          -Message
                -Eisaku Sato
                       -Handling of situation
                       -Delivery
     -Scenario
          -Bush’s role in New York at the United Nations
          -Perceptions
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 581-2 (cont.)


                     -Communications between the US and Peking
                     -Effect on domestic political scene
                     -Effect on voting results
                     -Peking

Foreign policy
     -Kissinger's discussion with bush
          -Date of PRC trip
                -Status
          -Soviet Union
     -Negotiations with the soviets
          -Knowledge by Bush and Rogers
     -PRC trip
          -Dates
     -The PRC
          -Possible Chinese reaction
                -The president's meeting with Gromyko
                      -Soviet Union summit
     -US-Soviet Union summit
          -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
          -Announcement date
     -UN vote
          -Effect of perceptions of US relations with the Soviet Union and the PRC
          -Timing
          -Peking
          -Albania
          -Peking’s actions
                -UN seat
          -Editorial coverage
                -New York Times
                -US reporting
                      -Nicaragua
                      -New Zealand
                      -Australia
                      -Japan
     -US communications with the PRC
          -Peking
          -Trip
          -Debates on UN seat
     -Bush's possible actions
          -Announcement of PRC trip
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 581-2 (cont.)


                      -Kissinger's action
                            -Preparation for the President's trip
                      -Date
           -The PRC trip
                -Speculation
                      -The President's trip
                      -Date
                      -Rogers
                -Date
                -Congress
           -Communication between the President and Bush
                -Bush’s possible action
                      -UN procedure and principles
           -UN members
           -Perceptions of the us public
           -The Middle East
           -Namibia
           -UN Security Council
           -The PRC and the UN
                -Bush’s actions
           -PRC announcement
           -Procedural vote at the UN

Bush left at 9:38 am.

     Foreign policy
          -Rogers
               -PRC trip
                    -Possible call to Rogers
                          -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                    -Trip date
                          -Date

     Soviet Union
          -The President's private meeting with Gromyko
               -The Middle East
                     -United Arab Republic [UAR [Egypt]
                     -Iran
                     -Israel’s sovereignty
                     -US-Soviet meeting
               -Kissinger
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 581-2 (cont.)


                     -Vietnam war
          -Vietnam
               -Settlement of war
          -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Gromyko
               -Vietnam war negotiations
                     -Nguyen Van Thieu
                     -Eight points
                     -Status
                     -Proposal to Hanoi
          -Leonid I Brezhnev
               -Relations with the US
          -Kissinger's possible conversation with Gromyko
               -Economics
               -Foreign relations
                     -Idea of peace
                     -Comparison to Bolivia
          -The president's meeting with Gromyko
               -Nicolae Ceausescu's meeting with the president
               -The President's action during meeting
                     -SALT
                     -Berlin
               -SALT
                     -Offensive weapons
                     -Defensive weapons
               -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
          -Kissinger's possible conversation with Gromyko
               -Vietnam
                     -Effect on Soviet Union summit
                     -Status
                            -Date
                                  -Announcement
                            -Military options
                                  -US Prisoners of war [POWs]
               -Timing of foreign policy action relating to the Soviet Union and the PRC
                     -Congress

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 9:22 am.

     The president's schedule
          -John D. Ehrlichman
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 581-2 (cont.)


The unknown man left at an unknown time before 9:53 am.

     Soviet Union
          -Effects of foreign policy action
          -Summit
               -Rogers
                      -Role
                            -Germany

     The president's schedule
          -Gromyko's meeting with Kissinger
                -Time
          -Reception
          -Meeting with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
          -Shultz
          -Meeting with Haig

     Vietnam
          -Options
          -Edward M. Kennedy
               -Statement on Vietnam negotiations
          -US position
               -Gromyko
               -The PRC

     The Middle East
         -US actions
               -Yitzhak Rabin

Ehrlichman entered at 9:53 am.

     Middle East
         -Romania
               -Soviet Union
         -US-Soviet Union relations
               -Interim Middle East settlement
         -US-Israel relations
               -Comparison to Soviet-US relations
               -Interim settlement
                     -Kissinger's meeting with Dobrynin
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 581-2 (cont.)


Kissinger left at 9:54 am.

     US domestic issues
         -Housing
              -The President's conversation with Richard M. Daley
              -George P. Shultz and the President
              -Appeal of case
              -Two similar cases
                     -Chicago
                     -Federal government
                     -Chicago
                           -Appeal to the Supreme Court
                     -Government position
                           -Relation to Chicago results
                           -Appeal
              -The government's case
                     -Further action
                           -Appeal
                     -Acceptance of situation
                     -Appeal
                           -Possible interpretation by public
                           -Actual administration position
                                -Comparison to handling busing issue
                                -Letter to Daley from Shultz or the President
         -Forthcoming meeting with leaders of national educational organizations
              -The President's role
                     -Dr. Sidney P. Marland, Jr.
              -Issues
                     -Freeze, Cost of Living Council [COLC]
                           -Arnold R. Weber
         -Clark MacGregor
              -Welfare reform
                     -Support
                           -Effect on the administration's position
                     -Issue
                           -Temporary jobs
                           -Budget restrictions
                           -Administration's position on welfare
                                -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
         -Revenue sharing
              -Conversation with governors
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 581-2 (cont.)


                     -Tax reforms
                          -Treasury Department

     John B. Connally
          -Schedule, responsibilities
                -Edwin S. Cohen's work on monetary problem
                -Effect on administration's staff and work
                     -Long term effect
          -Conversation between the President and Connally
                -Anti-trust meeting
                     -Connally's presence
          -Issue focus
                -Monetary issues
                -Phase II
                -Tax reform
                     -Date
                            -Wilbur D. Mills
                                 -Speeches
          -Military procurement
                -Congress
                     -F-14 aircraft
                     -Vote on anti-ballistic missiles [ABMs]
                            -Time stipulation
                                 -Debates
                                 -MacGregor
                                 -Changes in vote numbers

     The President's forthcoming meeting with education leaders
          -Marland's role

Ehrlichman left at 10:05 am.