{"conversationCode":"581-005","tapeNumber":581,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-581-005","startDateTime":"1971-09-30T16:18:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-30T16:20:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Sep-1971","startTime":"12:18 PM","endDate":"30-Sep-1971","endTime":"12:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:18 pm and 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 581-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 581-5\n\nDate: September 30, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 12:18 pm and 12:20 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n     Meeting with Henry A. Kissinger and William P. Rogers\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Delay\n          -Rogers\n               -Appointment\n\nBull left at 12:20 pm.","filename":["581-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:06:56","tapeEnd":"02:07:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"581-004","nextCode":"581-006","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":21.96,"text":"All right, so now where is Secretary Rodgers?"},{"start":21.98,"end":23.62,"text":"All right, now there's, these are just basically, I'm not going to do any of that."},{"start":23.64,"end":25.1,"text":"Yeah, there's other things this morning that can be delayed or postponed."},{"start":25.12,"end":25.52,"text":"So there's no hurry."},{"start":25.54,"end":26.32,"text":"Would you like me to interrupt on this?"},{"start":26.34,"end":26.9,"text":"No, I've got to do this now."},{"start":26.92,"end":28.16,"text":"This is where Secretary Rodgers has a one-on-five appointment."},{"start":28.18,"end":28.67,"text":"What's your appointment?"},{"start":28.69,"end":29.15,"text":"It's not from anywhere."},{"start":29.17,"end":29.67,"text":"It is not from anywhere."},{"start":39.53,"end":41.06,"text":"Oh, very well then."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with his aide, Stephen B. Bull, regarding scheduling adjustments for upcoming meetings with Secretary of State William P. Rogers and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. Seeking to manage his time effectively, the President prioritized his current tasks while evaluating which other appointments could be postponed. Nixon ultimately decided to maintain his immediate focus, declining Bull's offer to interrupt the ongoing session.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","William P. Rogers","Henry Kissinger","Time management","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T00:10:10.248Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","william-p-rogers","henry-kissinger","time-management","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":41,"audioFiles":[{"file":"581-005.mp3","bytes":1646546,"durationSec":41.02,"bitrate":321112,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.635Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/581-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/581-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/581/conversation-581-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}