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Start Date: 30-Sep-1971 12:20 PM

End Date: 30-Sep-1971 12:45 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Rogers, William P.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:07:36

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:32:09

581a.mp3

581b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, William P. Rogers, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:20 pm to 12:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 581-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 581-6

Date: September 30, 1971
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 581-4 (cont.)


Time: 12:20 pm - 12:45 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with William P. Rogers and Henry A. Kissinger.

     The President's schedule

     Souvanna Phouma

     Rogers's schedule
         -Lunch with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
         -New York

     United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan
          -Timing of Kissinger's trip to People's Republic of China [PRC]
                -Possible Chinese action
          -Internal political situation in the PRC
                -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
                      -Timing
                            -UN vote
                                   -Result
          -Threats by us conservatives
          -Japan
          -Australia
          -New Zealand
          -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
                -Status
                      -UN vote
                -State Department official
                -Announcement
                -Status, options
          -PRC
                -Possible action
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 581-6 (cont.)


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 12s ]


    FOREIGN AFFAIRS


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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         -US political/domestic situation
         -George H.W. Bush's efforts
               -UN
               -The President's meeting with Bush, morning of September 30, 1971
         -PRC trip and UN vote
               -Timing of trip and UN vote
         -Gromyko's trip to the US
               -Timing
         -Gromyko's previous visit to the US
               -Announcement of Soviet Union summit
               -PRC trip
                     -Delay
                            -Timing with UN vote
                                 -Possible implications
         -Status of trip to the PRC
               -Timing
                     -Gromyko's previous trip to the US
         -Effect of announcement of Kissinger's trip to the PRC compared to actual trip to the
              PRC
               -Timing with UN vote
               -[Unintelligible]
         -Announcement of trip
               -Ronald l. Ziegler
                     -Regular briefing
                            -Details of trip
                                 -Kissinger, Dwight L. Chapin
                                 -Preparation for forthcoming trip by the President
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                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 581-6 (cont.)


         -Date of vote
         -UN debate
              -Date
                    -Announcement of trip
         -Announcement of trip
              -Date
         -US-Soviet Union relations
              -Meeting with Dobrynin
         -PRC
              -Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters
         -Announcement of Soviet trip
              -Date
                    -Potential situation
         -Dates
         -The PRC
              -US position


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 4s ]


    FOREIGN AFFAIRS


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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                    -Perceptions
         -Date of PRC trip
              -US dealings with the Chinese
         -Announcement of trip
         -Kissinger's PRC trip compared to the President's PRC trip
              -Time interval

    Rogers's schedule
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 581-6 (cont.)


           -Dobrynin
           -Gromyko
           -The President's conversation with Gromyko
           -Issues
                 -PRC
                 -Middle East
                 -Brezhnev

     Rogers's forthcoming meeting with Gromyko
         -US-Soviet Union relationship in the Middle East
         -Rogers's conversation with soviets
                -Egypt and US relations
                -Israel and US relations
                -US position
         -Soviet Union's view of Middle East relations
         -Conference on European security and cooperation
                -Handling by Rogers
                -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
         -The president's conversation with Gromyko
                -SALT and Europe
                -Wording of the President's statement
         -Rogers's discussions with the Soviets
         -The President's conversation with Gromyko

Rogers left at 12:36 pm.

     US foreign policy
          -Announcement of PRC trip
                -Congressional action in the US
          -Josip Broz Tito's trip to the US
          -Announcement of PRC trip
                -Timing
                -Rogers
                -Date of announcement
          -Kissinger's PRC trip
                -Timing
                -Rogers's analysis
                     -Vote in UN
                           -Timing of Kissinger's presence in the PRC
          -Rogers
                -Analysis
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                              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 581-6 (cont.)


                       -US position
                       -Public appearance
           -US communications with the PRC
                -Announcement
           -Gromyko's visit to the US
           -Dates of trip and announcement
           -UN debate and vote
                -Previous years' schedule
                -Kissinger's presence in the PRC
                -Possible speech by Bush
           -Haig's trip to Vietnam
                -Kissinger's meeting with traveling members
                       -Results of trip
                       -Domestic situation
                             -Nguyen Van Thieu
                       -Samuel David Berger
                             -Tran Kiem
                             -Ellsworth F. Bunker
                             -Charles Whitehouse
           -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
                -Rogers's analysis
                -Dates of communication with PRC
                -Schedule
                       -Tito visit
                       -Trip by Kissinger
                             -Georges J.R. Pompidou

Kissinger left at 12:45 pm.
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)