{"conversationCode":"582-005","tapeNumber":582,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-582-005","startDateTime":"1971-09-30T18:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-30T18:54:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Sep-1971","startTime":"2:50 PM","endDate":"30-Sep-1971","endTime":"2:54 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:50 pm and 2:54 pm. 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(“Alec”) Douglas-Home\n                -Press photo\n          -Press photographs\n                -Ronald L. Ziegler\n          -Press\n                -Photo opportunity\n                      -Phouma\n                      -Douglas-Home\n                           -Atkins\n          -Meeting with Congressmen\n\nThe President and Bull left at 2:54 pm.\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["582a.mp3","582b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:27:38","tapeEnd":"00:29:23","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"582-004","nextCode":"582-006","tapeTranscriptFile":"582a.mp3,582b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":1662.12,"end":1668.89,"text":"There will be no press figures on the phone."},{"start":1668.95,"end":1675.08,"text":"We're going to have to quit all that acting and get the hell out."},{"start":1675.3,"end":1676.38,"text":"I put in back to 3.30."},{"start":1678.1,"end":1680.36,"text":"Because these Congressmen are not here tonight."},{"start":1680.4,"end":1682.18,"text":"They just are getting their hands on the reins."},{"start":1683.41,"end":1685.71,"text":"They're arriving now at the right time."},{"start":1685.79,"end":1693.85,"text":"So not only will we get $3.30 in the last half hour, and also the same with Hume, there'll be no press fiction."},{"start":1694.17,"end":1698.49,"text":"Just don't get one."},{"start":1698.52,"end":1700.68,"text":"Because of the time, unless Hume..."},{"start":1707.94,"end":1712.88,"text":"Well, just tell the program that I just think we just don't need any pictures of them."},{"start":1712.92,"end":1714.92,"text":"And we haven't got the time."},{"start":1714.94,"end":1716.12,"text":"And there's no compromise."},{"start":1716.14,"end":1718.1,"text":"I don't want any of them with him for any reason."},{"start":1718.28,"end":1721.04,"text":"As far as he has to have one, he can have one with you."},{"start":1721.1,"end":1723.28,"text":"But I really don't want one with me."},{"start":1723.3,"end":1724.16,"text":"Let Ollie take a picture of each."},{"start":1724.2,"end":1728.05,"text":"He can distribute what they want."},{"start":1728.21,"end":1728.69,"text":"And get them out."},{"start":1728.71,"end":1729.55,"text":"All right, Ron, just another question."},{"start":1738.18,"end":1738.43,"text":"Let's go."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":1662.125,"end":1756.625,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull reviewed the presidential schedule to coordinate upcoming meetings with Souvanna Phouma, Sir Alec Douglas-Home, and Southern Democrat Congressmen. Nixon directed Bull to restrict press access and photography, specifically ordering that he not be photographed with these guests. Instead, he instructed that photographer Oliver Atkins take individual photos for distribution to minimize time constraints and eliminate unnecessary press contact.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Press relations","Photography","Souvanna Phouma","Alec Douglas-Home","White House administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T00:11:14.940Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","press-relations","photography","souvanna-phouma","alec-douglas-home","white-house-administration"],"audioDurationSec":105,"audioFiles":[{"file":"582a.mp3","bytes":176770402,"durationSec":7365.38,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"582b.mp3","bytes":34759992,"durationSec":1448.27,"bitrate":192007,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.635Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:03.975Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/582a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/582b.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/582-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/582/conversation-582-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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