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Well, I didn't see you.

I didn't see you.

Sorry.

I couldn't bring her in.

Sit down.

Oh, of course.

Hold on, I just can't see.

Right through there, where you find it, you see, that's the triage plant that's oppressing plants.

It's so tiny.

You'll have to see it.

It must be the CNP.

I don't know.

That's why I decided to sit down.

And I thought I'd let it open back to gentlemen.

Let's get two shots at one by the flag so you can start having a career.

Sure.

In the center of the city, as long as it's wide open, I'll let you hear it.

And now sit here and see what I'm setting you up to.

Okay.

John, you get it for you.

You're still working.

All right, let's do one and two.

All right, you got everything.

Doing well.

You're all right.

I always hear about national plants.

Well, which is, what is the one that you're interested in?

Your national Northwestern?

Yes.

How would that fit with your plan?

Well, of course it would.

The Northwest goes to Tokyo, on the north of Minnesota, and you take the southern.

Oh, I won't say anything about it.

That's my business.

I negotiated it.

This guy negotiated it.

He negotiated that thing.

That's what some go around.

That was already negotiated.

We've now signed an indefinite agreement.

Well, let me tell you this.

The first thing, if you make the deal, my guy, Bill Norton, goes to get some barrel-oil stewardesses.

They're the worst in the world.

They're changing off the housing food.

I'm never on time.

They just got it a lot like it.

You just get some of the nationals' customer service, believe me.

Your line is excellent.

Don't forget to carry that message.

Don't get hurt at all.

They know all about it.

It may be better than it was, but I used to have the right in our place in Japan when I went there to eat.

Also in Manhattan.

God, it was torture.

Believe me, torture.

Now, Mr. President, we have to say, if they make money today, if they're not going to make money tomorrow, I'm all about it.

I can't believe you still haven't had a better one than this.

You know what that means?

Naturally.

You know what that means?

And I congratulate you on this repressed appreciation from the bottom of my heart of what you've done for the Supreme Court.

We're proud of you.

With this guy Warren, one of our Californians, we're not proud of him.

You recommended him.

I love him.

You got coffee or tea?

I'll get tea.

Tea's very weak.

Weak tea.

Weak as possible.

We'll go up to the water.

All right.

Well, I'll tell you this.

We're going to go to Mike Tuesday's service.

We're going to call and I'm going to get him through.

I'm going to go because the court needs me.

When we, uh, we're just waiting for them.

We're trying to get people in here.

Honest.

It's all hard work.

It's a lot of work.

Well, they don't even receive their wives.

They just live around with their grandmothers and great-grandmothers.

In fact, they also didn't write any questions for me.

Certainly, the horse on the bridge has got to be a Ted Gainsworth.

Yeah, he'd have been a great judge.

Sure he would.

And they farmed the pieces on a pigsty and cut them with peanuts.

It'll take work, but they're trying.

Don't worry.

Give us time.

Incidentally, Mitchell was off the good end.

Mitchell was looking.

So you just have to have confidence.

We'll make good appointments, but that's not something else again.

And he's looking for Republicans only.

There's no other Democrats either.

Of course, he's an active Democrat.

Is Leon Jaworski the head of the Bar Association?

Is he somebody of California?

He's a conservative.

No.

He's a Texan.

He's either head or he is the president-elect, one or the other.

He's a, in all the conflicts I've had with him, he's a, and he gives himself to be a tough, moderate concern.

That would be pretty hard to turn down the head of the Bar Association.

Very much.

So I was wondering, what were you guys,

and that takes up so much of my time now in higher education.

Congress should pass some type of a law to prohibit these courts, and they can certainly do it.

The federal courts are attached to our creation online, our California courts that are constituted from overstepping the judicial function and getting into legislation.

Well, they serve.

But if they did, the Supreme Court would hold it unconstitutional.

We have a very, it's a very serious problem.

That's why I'm one of these judges, you see, we'll have four.

I've heard black people believe this.

And Potter Stewart does now and then.

You know, if we get to do more, the majority may not be able to do something but do this again.

I'm sure.

You know, I'm going to terrible.

I agree with you totally on your theory, but we would have a Supreme Court that would knock that right out of the box.

I don't know.

I'm worried about that part.

From our Board of Trustees out there, we're going to have to run an educational dispute without the interference of the courts.

I don't know.

And I just drop in.

Everybody's got their hats that they like to drop in.

Sorry, I try not to impose on you.

But this education thing, it's my love and my passion.

I'm really giving a lot of time to it, and I hope that I can succeed in producing some.

You know, without realizing it, we slipped into socialized education.

It's all tax-supported.

It is socialized education.

And we're turning out people as a result of the built-in socialistic bias.

That has a very serious harm on education.

People are not realizing that all that socialism offers is the bait of legalized slavery.

That's the name.

That's really the definition of socialism.

And it's a negation of all sense of individual responsibility.

That's the way we grow in the middle.

And when you deny a person

the right to assume responsibility, you're denying him his divine right to develop a development.

And that isn't gotten across, it's just that's not created.

I problem my own personal self throughout here.

What can we do about it?

I suggest we have a knowledge explosion, which is going to require an educational explosion.

It's way beyond the means of our government.

It's going to be ongoing and continuing, just as lawyers and physicians have had to continue their education throughout their professional life.

So anybody that's really accomplishing or doing something in the rural business or the profession has to be acquiring ongoing, continuing education all the time.

I think that taking our airline, and I'm getting ready to close the

We need a department and almost a vice president in charge of training and education.

Because the great secret of the election ahead is going to be the best trained and educated personnel.

And after all, what better approaches

than to maximize the effectiveness, the utilization of your human resources.

Now that's what education should be all about.

It isn't.

It gets lost in scholarship.

It goes back to its medieval times.

Now, how do you accomplish this?

It seems absolutely impossible.

It is hopeless.

This mastodon of higher education, socialized, is just sunk down in the mire.

It's beyond reforming.

But if we unleash private enterprise in education, and that is the only solution that I see, and get some of these best leading professors formed just as you formed your loan firm.

They formed a firm consulting and managing firms for education.

There's so much they can do.

They can take contracts.

Either departments, those that specialize, for example, in nuclear physics, can handle the physics departments of many institutions around the country.

They can take over by managing contracts, a whole institution.

We're seeing the beginning of public schools where firms can manage contracts for a fee conditioned on the performance to increase the educational effectiveness of those students.

It's already beginning of what we're talking about.

It just isn't adding up.

They can also establish their own learning centers.

Now, as compared to so-called free education, you've got the expense of your time, you've got the expense of your board of units, and suppose that for twice that, or three times that, you can acquire an education that's 10, 15, or 20 times as good as what's coming out of a socialized institution.

You couldn't afford not to capitalize on private school.

It rings a bell.

It's a yeast.

that produces this performance measure, it'll produce career orientation, purposefulness, meaningfulness, and I attribute much of the evidence to the lack of career orientation in our schools.

It's gone through with a lot.

Educational sightseers, craft dodgers, lonesome women looking for husbands, divorces looking for a new chance.

That's fine, it shouldn't be at the taxpayer's expense.

I just see here, we used to revolutionize that whole .

I'm giving you the first figures and I've been speaking, leading up to this, this has evolved .

And segments of this I've been working on in our state board of H.D.s, the career orientation.

You're on the state board of H.D.s?

I am.

I'm in H.D.

as one of the

The worst job in the United States is President of the United States, sir.

The second worst job is being a trustee in Hunter.

And this thing takes hold everywhere you go, every facet, because it makes a contribution.

You'd have this one.

And that's the idea.

Well, how do you get by?

I would try to get by even when that was only this.

We do have the system, and I had something to do with developing the original idea.

It came out legally, the voucher system.

I called it the capitation system.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

I know.

Now, what I would see, because this trains a person to stand on his own legs,

is bank credit.

After all, if you can get your vacation now and pay later, you ought to be able to get a vacation on bank finance with not fully guaranteed, but a substantial percentage guaranteed by the government under the right conditions.

Long-term credit, because if your education isn't worth many times over what it costs, it shouldn't be in charge.

And this makes it self-liquidating, it makes it open to everyone who's got guts.

Now we're losing, as a nation, we're losing our individual guts.

And this will put it back, the entrepreneur, it makes every person an entrepreneur as far as their own education is concerned.

And the students and the faculty will no longer lull in the free lunch atmosphere.

that student will be demanding of the faculty performance because he's got investment.

And to me, it's the most constructive revolution that I can see on the horizon.

And I see in this education becoming the great growth industry of the 70s and 80s.

And you don't have any huge masters on it.

The end of the East is working individually in all these areas for enterprise, for just one great white prophet to solve all the problems of centralized, socialized education.

That's my message, Mr. President.

I'll try to make it brief.

Let me ask you this question.

We have a very good relationship with Marlon.

I've mentioned that he's a tremendous improvement over this side of the ball.

I hear he has a meeting with your profession.

Yeah, well, Marlon's tough.

He's sensible.

He's been in talks with me, but he stands up for the NBA among his other people.

He knows of the scenarios that I have used.

You get this over tomorrow and get the whole file and see what we can do.

I was thinking, though, that really, when you talk about private air pressure, they're not going to do it unless they get some incentive.

And what better way to use the tax that we're going to screw around with that sort of thing?

I'd understand it that way than a lot of other things.

I'd give credit to Sunstar.

I wouldn't carry this there.

There is a need.

Yeah, they have to spend the money.

they would make an investment to be able to take credit.

But there is a very great need for a yardstick for education.

One of the reasons that I'm fighting, for example, the battle of private schools, most of which are Catholic, is if they close, first of all, it's going to run five million kids in the public schools, and that'll cost us four and a half to five million dollars a year, in a year.

But second,

It's a good thing to have a few schools that are not just like all the public schools.

If you're in one of them, that's a good thing.

That's right.

Now, I think it's not bad for the religion.

I don't care what kind.

They can be Jewish, they can be Catholic, they can be atheist.

I think Christian Science is one.

That's right.

They run the best schools at 9 a.m. Well, at 7 a.m., that's true pretty well, too.

They do.

They run some good schools.

Because they do.

Right.

We're a little into that.

Yeah.

And I think that in this case...

And these are some of the educators that are pious, sanctimonious, arrogant, blah, blah, blah.

And this one sometimes.

They have them.

They need to be taken out of my grave.

Well, let's see if we'll give it a crack.

We'll give it a crack.

I'll tell you, we'll give it a good run.

We'll see what we can do.

Because we're working on it.

I just met with all the educators here at NDA a whole bunch last week.

Oh, I'm sad about it.

I don't want to mention any names.

They have to stand on their own in this.

We have to call it the university president's arm.

But we have to stand on it.

Now, I don't know what's his name.

Oh, he's such a non-entity.

He's a new man.

Yes, I know.

He was the acting editor.

I agree with you.

You know, we need a revival.

We need a rebirth of the American spirit here.

The country is flat.

We have the Nobel Prizes coming out of Sweden.

I'd like to see the Nixon prizes coming out of here.

My mark on that here is on the paper that came in.

I want that one checked out, too.

It seems to me that we can just find this.

The only problem is these suggestions for art and music.

You've got a group of people who check it out and they come up with some horrible modern art.

In fact, it has to be.

I've conditioned myself.

I don't happen to be Vermont.

I don't mind other people.

I've got a lot of my staff that are not so nice.

But I don't want to be subsidized.

All right.

You've seen some of these things around here?

That's why I put a little condition that this is part of the structure.

It would have to be really set in concrete so far as the control of it in traditional Americanism.

But I'd obviously start with our teaching standards for one thing or another.

If we could make those stamps just reverberate with a rebirth of the American spirit, that's something everybody sees.

We had, you know, some of them wanted to market them on the stamps.

The thing I always wanted to do is sort of the American heritage series of stamps.

I always wanted to see some people would collect them and become items.

And I met an idea of a lot of men like this.

I said, Montero, Montero's a good guy, you know?

I've met him.

He's a great guy.

You need to be sure to talk to him.

He's a good man.

A lot for special issues.

But, well, I don't.

I don't.

The impression the other thing could do is to, uh...

But I mean, if people would convene and collect it, it would get them to think about it.

I don't understand just to be routine.

Advanced sets could be released.

We need to bring back the kind of period we had in the 1890s.

And that was reflected in the music of the times.

The Victor Herbert's, the love of operas.

This is one of the greatest.

This is one of the greatest things you can do for America.

The rebirth of a real joyous spirit in this country.

I think there's a lot of them beneath the surface I haven't talked about.

It's there at the airports and so forth.

There's a lot of awful nice people around this country.

And it's here in Washington, New York, and frankly San Francisco, and other campuses.

The campuses where they're desolate.

Not all of them.

A lot, a lot are.

Some are pretty good.

When the kids go out and find some bad teachers, that's their fault.

It's the learn-to phrase that stays on in my head.

It's not you.

You cure it, but then you're afraid that you can't do it.

Now I'm afraid that you can't sing.

Again, your entry of private enterprise gives you a keen sight of fresh light, you sing.

You don't have the stranglehold of the academic mafia.

We dissolve so much, it's a tremendous catalyst to turn this loose.

You've got your... Oh, hey there.

How can I do this guy?

I don't know what the problem is with reading.

I'm sure that's what's going on.

I'll help you.

Oh, well, I appreciate it, but in any way...

You've uh, you've done enough for the cause.

We're glad to have you.

All right.

He's a little liberal.

Thank you for being here today.

Good to see you.

Great.

I didn't mind your taking a little time.

Thank you.