Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 593 › Conversation 593-004

Nixon & Bull on Women's education and Gender equality

Friday, October 15, 1971 · 8:43 AM–9:09 AM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation593-004 on Tape 593 (tape position 00:10:35–00:13:15)StartFriday, October 15, 1971 at 8:43 AMEndFriday, October 15, 1971 at 9:09 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 593-004 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate the President's upcoming schedule, specifically regarding appointments with Henry Kissinger and Peter G. Peterson. The discussion touched upon the social dynamics of women's education and equality, as well as the political ramifications of corporate trade stances. The primary administrative outcome was the management of these upcoming meetings and the status of ongoing appointments.

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9:26Education.
9:29Who would have ever thought of education to women anyway?
9:31I don't know.
9:32It should have been abolished before.
9:34Terrible idea.
9:34Right?
9:35That's out of the question.
9:36Change some of your leaders and keep some of your horses.
9:38Look, Max.
9:39Teach them to eat.
9:42Teach them domestic science.
9:43That ought to be the full event of it.
9:45You're a male dog that's a pig.
9:49Well, I gather that's the case.
9:52But I recognize what the change is.
9:56And as the president said, they have, through their education, looked around to see that they're treated differently.
10:02They don't like it.
10:04And I'm not talking about the broad burners and all the rest of them.
10:07I'm talking about the average housewife.
10:10And on paper, it makes a very good argument that they should have equality in all things.
10:14So, in my opinion, it doesn't prove out that way.
10:19I quite agree with you.
10:21That's the way it looks up.
10:22It looks good up here.
10:25You know the name of Peterson's wife?
10:27Uh, Sally.
10:28Pete Peterson.
10:38You're a pretty surprised fellow.
10:47Pete Peterson's a pretty surprised fellow.
10:49that everything's falling in line on the plate.
10:52That's great.
10:54Did you hear what happened to Don Kendall in Pepsi-Cola?
11:00He, as you know, has been a free trader.
11:04And he came down and boycotted Pepsi-Cola in North and South Carolina.
11:10They lost about a million bucks to the thing.
11:12Why?
11:12Because he came in on the other side.
11:14He came in on the other side for the free trade.
11:19That's what Dick Gallo showed me.
11:23Well, he's out of it now.
11:25Yeah, they're out of it.
11:26They made their peace.
11:29The boycotts have been called off, I guess.
11:39Well, I'll tell you, I agree with the warrant.
11:42John, do you see any other way to handle it?
11:44No.
11:44You can't take anything off of him.
11:46That's not what I'm saying.
11:48Particularly with the idea that that mentioned to you, if I had any thoughts otherwise.
11:57See to this.
11:58That's the point that I've made in my hour and a quarter.
12:03I'm not trying to get back and forth, but you could not possibly give you an ultimatum that was... Perhaps anyway, you can't talk.
12:12You can't talk.
12:13There will be another appointment for a few more years.

NARA Description

On October 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:43 am and 9:09 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 593-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 593-4

Date: October 15, 1971
Time: Unknown between 8:43 am and 9:09 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     The President's schedule
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Peter G. Peterson

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:09 am.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 593-004, October 15, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/593-004 (accessed September 28, 2026).