{"conversationCode":"593-008","tapeNumber":593,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-593-008","startDateTime":"1971-10-15T13:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-15T13:58:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Oct-1971","startTime":"9:53 AM","endDate":"15-Oct-1971","endTime":"9:58 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.; Ushiba, Nobuhiko;","description":"On October 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Nobuhiko Ushiba met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:53 am to 9:58 am. 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Connally\n                -Purpose of rip\n                     -Negotiations\n                     -Japan\n                     -Taiwan\n                     -Vietnam\n                     -Europeans\n                     -Japan\n                -Travel experience\n                     -Japan\n                     -India\n\n     Gift presentation\n\nKissinger and Ushiba left at 9:58 am.","filename":["593a_i.mp3","593a_ii.mp3","593b.mp3","593b_i.mp3","593b_ii.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:57:40","tapeEnd":"01:02:44","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A.","Ushiba, Nobuhiko"],"prevCode":"593-007","nextCode":"593-009","tapeTranscriptFile":"593b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":3460,"end":3462.51,"text":"played a Russian visit against the Chinese without very... We've got to tell them that the President has been invited to visit another city in Russia and probably will."},{"start":3463.28,"end":3467.7,"text":"And Mrs. Nixon will be going because she went... Oh, they have prepared for the other city."},{"start":3467.78,"end":3469.66,"text":"I raised that already."},{"start":3469.76,"end":3473.42,"text":"And they will probably... And they'll probably raise..."},{"start":3474,"end":3481.94,"text":"When I was there, he told me that if you see Mao, or when you see Mao, they wanted to be outside of Peking in his country place."},{"start":3482.14,"end":3483.72,"text":"We have no way of refusing that."},{"start":3485.28,"end":3488.49,"text":"We've got to see him wherever they say it is."},{"start":3489.73,"end":3496.95,"text":"And so that they may raise again."},{"start":3498.71,"end":3502.06,"text":"Now on the crowd, my strong instinct is"},{"start":3507.64,"end":3510.77,"text":"that they will turn out one tremendous crowd."},{"start":3510.79,"end":3513.61,"text":"Their pride won't permit anything else."},{"start":3514.05,"end":3532.6,"text":"It will be, I, it's, when I arrived, No, but when I arrived, Well, when I arrived, the guy said to me, that marshal who greeted me at the airport, he said, I want to apologize, we don't have any crowds for you, but it's a secret visit."},{"start":3533.08,"end":3533.22,"text":"So,"},{"start":3534.01,"end":3536.87,"text":"So to them, that goes with the visit."},{"start":3537.25,"end":3539.43,"text":"I have absolutely no worry about that."},{"start":3540.23,"end":3544.51,"text":"I think it'll be the biggest crowd I think you've ever had when you arrived there."},{"start":3544.64,"end":3546.42,"text":"This is the biggest that I'm still thinking of."},{"start":3546.46,"end":3551.7,"text":"It's really an opportunity on some occasion to have some contact with the crowd."},{"start":3552.46,"end":3556.32,"text":"Driving through a crowd is not what is important, but we'll find out in those days."},{"start":3556.76,"end":3558.3,"text":"Going to the country might be the thing to do."},{"start":3558.36,"end":3559.34,"text":"Going to see my friends."},{"start":3561.82,"end":3567.86,"text":"But all of this is all negotiable, and the other names have got to come ahead of it."},{"start":3568.18,"end":3578.07,"text":"We're not trying to exploit it, but I think you've just got to hold on to the fact that, after all, this visit will be compared with the Russian visit, and they must know this."},{"start":3579.59,"end":3585.77,"text":"Well, up to some point, in terms of technical efficiency and so forth, that will impress them."},{"start":3586.93,"end":3590.27,"text":"In terms of other things, it may serve their purpose"},{"start":3590.93,"end":3617.03,"text":"to be cooler so and then there are so many factions there that it's a but I think I think it will be a good crowd now what crowd situations you can get in the street whether you can dive into a crowd there I would doubt I don't think that's conceivable their leaders never do it I think it's probably possible to visit some cooperative farm and"},{"start":3618.64,"end":3625.26,"text":"And that sort of factory will get people that way, but they are very ceremonial."},{"start":3628.26,"end":3630.58,"text":"It's not a very spontaneous people in that way."},{"start":3630.62,"end":3635.32,"text":"That's great."},{"start":3639.74,"end":3641.11,"text":"Now I didn't have that in mind."},{"start":3641.34,"end":3642.03,"text":"I'm just having..."},{"start":3643.15,"end":3645.83,"text":"There are very subtle ways to get this across."},{"start":3649.76,"end":3664.11,"text":"I think I understand what you have in mind, but... Oh, Bob has written it down."},{"start":3664.55,"end":3664.95,"text":"Okay."},{"start":3674.42,"end":3675.74,"text":"How about doing the concert?"},{"start":3675.76,"end":3676.62,"text":"Nothing at all."},{"start":3676.66,"end":3677.88,"text":"I think that's all, sir."},{"start":3678.98,"end":3683.28,"text":"You have to accept it."},{"start":3683.32,"end":3685.12,"text":"Well, I'd rather stop a bit, Jim."},{"start":3687.69,"end":3687.87,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":3688.53,"end":3689.63,"text":"Well, that's all right."},{"start":3690.01,"end":3691.67,"text":"No, you know, they need my call."},{"start":3692.37,"end":3692.89,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":3694.07,"end":3697.77,"text":"No, Edie, like I said, we won't do it for you again what we did on tech stuff."},{"start":3697.85,"end":3698.95,"text":"I said we don't want anything."},{"start":3698.99,"end":3700.59,"text":"We want to set us an act of friendship."},{"start":3704.05,"end":3709.83,"text":"You know what, we've got the textiles, the thread of the trefoil right out there."},{"start":3709.87,"end":3719.71,"text":"Oh, when I said in that press conference the other day, the Russian newsletter on the 15th, we will have to take other action."},{"start":3719.73,"end":3722.03,"text":"If we had to brutalize them, we'd be dead."},{"start":3722.09,"end":3728.13,"text":"I've got to go to the President of the Republic and brutalize them, too."},{"start":3729.27,"end":3731.93,"text":"Well, I'll tell Henry about the announcement of Connolly."},{"start":3732.01,"end":3733.01,"text":"You've got to set this up a full deal."},{"start":3733.07,"end":3734.3,"text":"How do you want that handled?"},{"start":3734.34,"end":3737.18,"text":"That should be done by the end of June, sir."},{"start":3737.2,"end":3738.06,"text":"Now, leave it to us."},{"start":3738.08,"end":3741.52,"text":"We had to sort of cover for Peterson there."},{"start":3741.8,"end":3743.32,"text":"We'd already sent the message, sir."},{"start":3744.5,"end":3745.68,"text":"Oh, yeah, but you have to do that."},{"start":3745.76,"end":3748.65,"text":"You said you'd take care of Mr. Rose's work, sir."},{"start":3749.19,"end":3752.85,"text":"Well, now we all have been on the Connolly thing."},{"start":3753.21,"end":3755.69,"text":"You won't even think that ought to be announced next."},{"start":3755.71,"end":3756.69,"text":"No, later than June, sir."},{"start":3759.15,"end":3761.65,"text":"And what about the Spanish control?"},{"start":3761.91,"end":3762.59,"text":"That's all set."},{"start":3762.61,"end":3763.21,"text":"No problem."},{"start":3763.73,"end":3764,"text":"Yeah."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":3460,"end":3764,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, Henry Kissinger, and Japanese Ambassador Nobuhiko Ushiba met to discuss the status of delicate Japanese-American relations, specifically focusing on the progress of textile trade negotiations involving Peter G. 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