{"conversationCode":"593-009","tapeNumber":593,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-593-009","startDateTime":"1971-10-15T13:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-15T14:08:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Oct-1971","startTime":"9:58 AM","endDate":"15-Oct-1971","endTime":"10:08 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On October 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:58 am and 10:08 am. 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(President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"593-008","nextCode":"593-010","tapeTranscriptFile":"593b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":3764,"end":3764.23,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3764.35,"end":3766.61,"text":"About that he wants to visit the other countries too?"},{"start":3766.63,"end":3767.43,"text":"No problem."},{"start":3767.55,"end":3769.39,"text":"And they will make the contact with the other countries?"},{"start":3769.45,"end":3769.73,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3769.85,"end":3771.01,"text":"Except for the Japanese."},{"start":3771.07,"end":3771.65,"text":"The Japanese."},{"start":3774.39,"end":3774.95,"text":"Okay."},{"start":3775.21,"end":3778.25,"text":"I'll talk to you tomorrow morning."},{"start":3778.39,"end":3779.51,"text":"Tomorrow morning."},{"start":3779.91,"end":3782.29,"text":"And if you need to talk, I'll be at the campaign."},{"start":3782.31,"end":3782.47,"text":"Good."},{"start":3782.55,"end":3783.01,"text":"Good luck."},{"start":3789.32,"end":3792.28,"text":"He still doesn't understand it."},{"start":3792.3,"end":3795.66,"text":"He is so overwhelmed with the idea that they are different and so are healthy."},{"start":3796.44,"end":3800.94,"text":"Nobody is talking about plunging into the crowds and all that sort of thing."},{"start":3801.06,"end":3804.3,"text":"He says, I handle these things discreetly."},{"start":3804.34,"end":3806.14,"text":"He knows that."},{"start":3806.34,"end":3806.84,"text":"He doesn't know."},{"start":3806.88,"end":3808.5,"text":"I'm not being tired of plunging into crowds."},{"start":3808.56,"end":3809.93,"text":"He said the same thing in Romania."},{"start":3810.03,"end":3815.35,"text":"I've never seen anybody as intoxicated into the crowds just as he was when you started."},{"start":3816.31,"end":3818.93,"text":"Getting that kind of response, he said, don't do it."},{"start":3819.21,"end":3819.95,"text":"Yeah, didn't he?"},{"start":3819.97,"end":3820.19,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3820.25,"end":3821.61,"text":"And it's just us using it."},{"start":3821.89,"end":3826.18,"text":"Now, Oscar, in Christ's day, they were getting ready to kill some of us when we stopped the motorcade."},{"start":3829.66,"end":3831.72,"text":"But the old boy never left your side, correct?"},{"start":3831.76,"end":3833.6,"text":"The next day, remember, he was supposed to go out alone."},{"start":3833.74,"end":3837.83,"text":"There he was at the front doorstep, but when it came time to go, he was about to pass out of it."},{"start":3838.42,"end":3840.66,"text":"All those people in the balcony will hear you say, I'm in Russia."},{"start":3840.82,"end":3842.58,"text":"And I've got it all over the world."},{"start":3842.66,"end":3846.38,"text":"And I was told by every Foreign Service officer who faces the world, these people are different."},{"start":3846.48,"end":3847.6,"text":"They don't believe in it."},{"start":3847.72,"end":3848.88,"text":"They're very proper and so forth."},{"start":3848.9,"end":3850.88,"text":"But God damn it, the Americans do it."},{"start":3851.52,"end":3852.74,"text":"Now, there is a line."},{"start":3852.78,"end":3855.86,"text":"You don't cross Johnson's accrued son of a bitch."},{"start":3855.95,"end":3860.41,"text":"You cross in, kiss babies, and put his arms through the ass of the man."},{"start":3860.45,"end":3860.85,"text":"That's right."},{"start":3861.01,"end":3861.53,"text":"That isn't it."},{"start":3861.61,"end":3862.99,"text":"But I didn't do it that way, sir."},{"start":3863.57,"end":3864.79,"text":"And Henry's got to see that, too."},{"start":3864.81,"end":3866.11,"text":"And he knows God damn well that's true."},{"start":3867.59,"end":3867.75,"text":"Oh."},{"start":3869.64,"end":3870.16,"text":"It may not."},{"start":3870.38,"end":3872.32,"text":"We may not have the option."},{"start":3872.34,"end":3874.72,"text":"If we don't have the option, as you said, there are other ways."},{"start":3874.88,"end":3876.59,"text":"If you're waiting, maybe a small act."},{"start":3876.74,"end":3891.16,"text":"Well, there might be a photographer somewhere, and you're walking into a building, there's a doorman who will leave the door open or something, or a waiter standing there, and you stop and go over and talk to him for a few minutes, or call your interpreter over, and you have a little chat."},{"start":3891.18,"end":3894,"text":"But this is all she finds, and so do you all the time."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":3764,"end":3894,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. 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