On October 18, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:45 am to 9:58 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 594-002 of the White House Tapes.
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We're just going to regard the helicopter as a car.
Everybody can hear it.
Everybody could hear it.
He wants to be proud.
That's right.
The other thing is, it's a very, very strange helicopter.
It's just a helicopter.
Yeah.
So, nobody's surprised me.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
It's a rocket.
Yeah, I thought that's good, of course, but also, they get, it's uncomfortable, they're crowded, they're, then they all get stuck, and you always have the problem of who gets to ride in the president's helicopter, and they're jammed in there, and we're jammed in, and who sits opposite me, and everything.
So you know, just make it nobody, and say, you just get other helicopters.
Yeah, just your own staff, and the doctor, and the secret service.
Good idea.
Okay.
Did you call again yesterday, sir?
Oh, yeah.
See if you got another one, sir.
No, no, no, no, no, I didn't predict it.
I called both managers.
No, no, no, I didn't predict it.
You got a good survey predicted this Saturday.
Didn't get out, but you sure did it.
I'm trying to say that I was talking more or something about the Irish boat.
His brother's here.
Sure, even in Arkansas, he didn't even know about it.
He said he took it.
He says, it's on television.
He says, I'm gonna have to stand closer to pick up something.
I would have said that I always remember that that kind of thing is what we love.
It instantly passes on.
It's not hot news.
Mark's the kind of guy you know that can walk around sitting in a great gym or something like that.
It isn't something we want to build up.
There are just predictions that could go wrong and all that.
But it's just the idea of a
Where do you think they picked up the prediction?
On the waters, apparently, because it was on the radio.
The road right in the story on the, on the, yeah, the sports, the radio sports line announcing the end of the game and the riot in Pittsburgh.
And, no, that's Mr.
I'm sorry, Scott Eastwood announcing the end of the game.
He said the president, as he had called the earlier game, called this one.
It was a great surprise to people.
I mean, it was a thing where for any people who didn't realize, you know, a lot of this stuff, like they're making a big thing out of the
The people who sat in that station for years, you know, sophisticated people, were all saying, we're number one, we're number one by college kids.
So they're married.
People, they don't want this country to be number two.
They don't want to have this superiority complex.
They don't like to be beat down all the time.
I never got to the Arkansas-Texas game.
I saw the last part of the Arkansas-Texas game.
but they would, Arkansas people, they'd lost money.
They'd all hold it here.
And that was the way to detect a Hitchford.
Hitchford, apparently, was a real one thing.
It was good for their morale.
What happened to our, incidentally, our look right?
I think we were, you got any further progress on that thing?
Yes.
Well, Shepard, they went over the very, Shepard was down, talked with a lot of folks, and he is seriously, well, he's seriously considering, and the best spot we think we may have for him is the, you know, the State Department, public affairs or cultural affairs job, which is the one we're trying, you know, the garage just wants to politicize, you know, and start using it.
And it's a good, you know, it's an assistant secretary post, which is where Collins is now.
Well, Collins is gone and very well.
And I think they're moving Richardson into that post.
And then they would put Sheppard in the post that Richardson was in.
And Rogers sees that as a purely political operation for us.
He might be good in the end.
We already got some, yeah, a new face, a new guy.
I was trying to see if there were men who would do that.
There's not one.
That's the main thing is that you just don't look like you're going around the track the same.
You know, there was nothing new in it, you know.
Shepard's a good skater.
He's apparently a good business manager.
He brings new ideas.
Don't overlook that, Sean.
I mean, who's going to be the campaign director?
See, Mitchell isn't actually.
He's going to be the behind-the-scenes guy.
But you need to follow us out front for the campaign.
Just follow us.
He could be very awesome.
Well, he's not.
He's supposed to.
Apparently, he's smart.
He's made it.
The guy did himself.
I'm not sure about that.
That'd be the thing.
You want to read about Rat Brown?
Yeah.
There's a big story that fits with Lyndon Johnson's book.
He just, well, you've been sitting here waiting for somebody to date Kennedy with Deanna.
And did he hit her?
I saw it right ahead.
I agree with you on that.
What was he thinking?
He said it was a, he said it was a, I forget his exact words, something like a disastrous mistake.
And that he didn't realize what he was doing when he got in there and went on with, you know, what was going on.
He could have just,
He hits Kennedy just dang hard and burns it pretty good on you.
All the way through it.
And it's, uh, it's kind of, uh, I don't know if you've ever heard Kennedy on the air.
And that's, that's, uh, I just didn't get many of his stories.
I don't know if you've got it in here, but it was quite a, quite a story.
And that's, uh,
They picked it up as one of the top things out of the book.
It's getting huge front page blood in the newspapers.
The book is out for another month.
Okay, Billy does.
We got it.
Billy, Billy.
Oh, a little bit of everybody.
Yeah.
Weaver was on the wrap on the CBS News and rather late CBS News expressing appreciation for our next phone call saying it was a time like this that the President's call ended the month.
They're making some hay on that.
All that stuff, I'm afraid.
Because they're getting their own deed going, you know.
The editorials, Teddy Kennedy cut loose on Saturday and Friday.
And, uh,
Yes.
You know, we've been doing quizzing on it.
Came back, they're concerned about Friday.
They think Lily had got, you know, pretty good shape on her because she's a gal who's, well, she's had some reversals on the Supreme Court.
Well, for the right reason.
That's it.
That they were going to have to read the opinions.
That's it.
They're trying to make the case that her reversals were on legal grounds, not philosophical.
And one of them apparently was, but we'll never hear of any reversals.
But she's been doing that on her own.
pretty well, but Friday, they're concerned about because he turns out to be basically a typical pure lawyer, killer of the community and all that, a very fine guy, but with absolutely no conviction.
I think that's true.
And they're afraid of, you know, he's going to turn into an archer, you know, a type on the court who can, or he works into a Tom Hooker type, you know, a southerner who becomes a change of himself, you know.
Decides to redeem his sins.
And they were, they're concerned about Friday.
They think we were in pretty good shape with Louis.
What they're being concerned about is being a pervert.
No, not so much a pervert as about the gun himself.
He doesn't have any convictions and therefore could be bad.
He can take either side and play it.
He lives on.
Well, early on,
And you went out of that for quite a while?
Yeah.
I think they're not going back yet.
Try again.
Do they have any other names?
No.
No, they don't.
It's just harder to find the goddamn Southerners that we could get if we just get out of the South.
Well, if you get out of the South, you've got
and some of the others have talked about before.
I think we'd make our judgment in the South.
Lillian is a Republican senator.
It seems as if she were a Republican, but I don't want to point to the cameras.
In other words, it doesn't make any difference what she is.
She could be an idiot, but the woman is all that matters.
They're against her.
Oh yeah, because they say she's...
They're against her the way...
the conservative Catholics were against Jack Kennedy for president.
In other words, if you're going to have a woman on the court for God's sake, get a good liberal woman, not a, not a horrible conservative that misrepresents us.
Oh, sure.
That's right.
That is a bad effect.
It won't affect the party.
And the women's lib types, you know, Bella Absoke, you're not going to get any, any shift on the matter.
The women's lib are basically liberal.
They are going to take a conservative woman.
That's right.
That's right.
No, they're not going to get one.
But they're, they're going to have trouble
with the general run of women, I think, in making the point.
This is not directed to women's lives.
This is directed to decent women.
Women, in general.
The Patricks and Teflons, you think there ought to be a run on the court?
Yeah.
Why not?
Well, make no mistake, I don't want our boys around here to get the idea that because these guys are out, that they're bad names.
The reason these guys are getting kicked is because they're conservatives, that's all.
That's not right.
But from a PR perspective, we do have a problem, and you can't do too much to fight back on it.
Is that your plan?
Yeah.
And even though I'm not sure how much he can do, he... Well, where does he...
I would say that the writing, the writing, I don't know if you're...
The concern is not about... Our guy's concern is on...
The other side of the PR, the PR concern is the mediocrity argument.
You're using the word as a political, which of course is what it's supposed to be.
There's a political, a word, one for police.
Well, philosophically, it doesn't matter.
And that, uh, that probably just has no distinction other than the fact that John Mitchell, you know, he was part of the season.
Although McClellan apparently is strong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, Wilbur Nilsen's making a huge play for, for, uh, Louie White.
I don't know what the hell it is, but he's got some peculiar deal where he's gone on a brawl.
It's not a place that's for Wyman to the Supreme Court.
Jesus Christ.
It tells of one interesting idea of God, which is to pop over to justice in the Willow Wilson.
John Wilson just resigned, put him in the war on crime, head to war on crime business.
I don't know.
He's going to run again.
I guess anyone who loses that seat gets screwed up.
Why isn't he going to run again?
That seat's re-run.
I don't know.
That'd be better then.
That's it.
Talk to Mitchell again about it.
Right.
As you say.
Indeed.
All right.
All right.
Yeah, we're out there not trying to evaluate it at all.
They were trying to do the run-through and be sure we didn't have any confirmation problems and all that.
He finally said he thought I was going to have to tell me what to say.
I heard about all the hearings.
We talked all that over.
I've got a question for you, Dr. Lee.
No conditions.
No, no, no.
They got anything?
No.
That's the problem, you see.
It's a right of self-control.
We can't have a right that really doesn't give us a man.
That's the problem, isn't it?
There's a thing called a correctly aged record.
It's a power over a man.
Well, you've got to kind of balance what short-term PR you may take from a younger guy with some horror, not described by Friday.
Well, against your desire to get some young men on the court who say that for a while and make a change for a long, long time, yeah.
And it's, if we can get them confirmed, it's worth it.
Some of you probably are disappointed.
I take it, no matter who I put up, unless you put up a left-wing radical concern,
I don't have concern that he is going to make a hell of a lot of difference among ordinary folks, on whether the judge is mediocre or not.
I don't think that's a big deal that affects people.
Why didn't they talk about it first?
So they applied it and that's that.
It probably is somewhat more, in fact, because of Karsloff.
Yeah.
And he got set up sort of around her.
situation, but I don't think it's gonna...
If you get it confirmed, I don't think it's gonna hurt very much.
It's a problem.
But then you're paying something over price to get the young guy money you want.
No.
What we have to do in the next three quarters to get out of here as soon as it's done.
I think that's an announcement.
I'm inclined to think to do what they can do is to do it at that 7.30 time.
Take five minutes.
Don't really produce them.
I think if you give them a shot of Q and A,
That will become a, I mean, that's the best, still the best way to go about it.
To do the Q and A would be an action of three o'clock.
Of course, it was a controversial story that night.
This is one guilty man.
It is, I don't know.
Except I have so many good answers to these things.
But there may be something to be said when it's getting out.
I need a good positive statement on each one of them.
That's what I had in mind at 7.30 at night.
You know, like we had said before, for a special announcement,
It's very interesting, the division on that.
Yeah, a lot of people did.
My daughter, I don't know, probably wasn't safe at all.
And Alan shouldn't be that sensitive, but he's a big shot and so forth.
And Alan tried to apologize.
And I'm sure it was a mishandle, but it wasn't that mishandle to be worth getting carried away.
So then my daughter read it and came up, she said, that was a great article, and I said, did you think it was pretty negative?
And she said, no, that there were little negative things in between big positive things.
And that made the positive things much more believable than if it had just been all positive.
And she said they would have those little quotes.
She said they'd have those little quotes from somebody that they wouldn't name.
I hadn't thought about this.
It's very subtle.
But it's true.
It's all working out.
And then that would set you up for the positive quotations from the people who were identified, which were much more believable.
And she said also he hurt himself badly by kicking Ron Ziegler around on a basis that didn't make him, you know, wasn't worthy of being kicked about.
And just because he was late for an appointment.
People expect people like Ron Ziegler to be late for appointments.
Which has a very important, Ron Ziegler has a different, has a kind of job than he and others.
He has to be led to a point.
He gets here, he gets parked around, and God only knows what was breaking him down.
But Ron doesn't make the point, it's very obvious.
The vision of the, uh, the Johnson thing was good.
Oh, sensational.
Especially that second story.
It's not in here.
They picked up the assassination story, which is this person.
That does not come up.
You know, this is a news anchor who says that the visit to Charlotte, you know, on the side, on the other side of the street, that starts, I'd say, on the country of business.
I'm trying to find a couple of places.
I'm trying to find a place.
What else is there?
Yes, yes, the grocery store is in the country of business.
That's right.
And it was, yeah.
So that's it.
All right.
I'd like to say that, uh, one point that I was concerned about was the, uh, the, uh, sorry, the star, Mr. Church's, uh, uh, yeah, you may not, you may not see the, uh, the,
There are several points about it that need to be mentioned.
In the first one, it's not true.
For example, the whole China initiative was not Henry's.
It was all tragedy, which he will recognize and pride in, because he knows how all that happened.
And he wanted to do the time of the whole refugee.
But the part is that then, and as a matter of fact, that's what we predicted, Henry doesn't come in and do things.
He used to do no law on everything, on tangents, nine times.
But the most important part is that
Bobby, Chester, and I don't blame them, but they're just giant rockers right up the goddamn wall to begin with.
Second, it also has a tendency to create the impression of, I'm just doing all this for cynical reasons and all that about it, you know, which is incorrect.
And third, the reason it just happens is the way Henry does his briefings.
where he talks, he tries to say, well, the president did this and that, but he inevitably has to get his own deal.
I don't want you to do that, except that I think that you and I are okay.
We are pretty bad business.
I'm not interested in trying to track reverse and say, I didn't see Sherman or this and that.
That isn't what's involved.
You and I know that's the way Henry is.
It's the impression that gets put out.
That's right.
Don't you agree?
Yeah.
The other call that I thought you might talk to on this is Scali.
I think Scali is a goddamn good one to knock this down.
Yeah, we've got to be awful careful that we're in constant danger of creating a Scali passenger.
Don't go out there.
This isn't working.
We can't get that right.
See, Scali, we're getting, we were addicted out of China.
I sure don't want to get that pick broken tonight.
Well, why are Kissinger and Scott, uh, Kissinger and Spidey and Scott only on the basis that Scali is so anxious to get, uh, get the coverage of China?
You know, really what you're after.
TV coverage and all that, he recognizes the side of the story that Henry doesn't recognize, that, you know, it wasn't the value of the trip that he's seeking.
Yeah.
And that, Henry, it's, it's kind of the overt place, isn't it, just like in the case of Christopher, where he did, you know, he did an emotional attack with an emotional Jew, if you cut it that very way, and, uh...
I talked to Dwight last night and he said that the atmosphere on the plane in Hawaii was extremely good, that Henry had de-tensed himself completely.
He was very relaxed, very, his attitude was totally different.
There was no, you know, having to cut down on stuff.
He was talking about how we need to get the coverage worked out and all that kind of thing.
Also, Dwight had a long talk.
He's very optimistic on the State Department guy, Jenkins, who is aboard, as well as orders from Henry's staff, both of whom speak Chinese, which is an advantage, because both of them very strongly seek the other side of the public.
side as being more important to us than the talks, which is why Henry doesn't see it because he is the talks chair, let's face it, the chair, and Henry thinks that he's the last and only thing that should matter.
What am I going to do?
He doesn't want anybody else to be in it.
He wants to be in everything.
He doesn't agree.
Even the Russians, he realized, let's face it, for Christ's sake, the public stuff in Russia is going to be enormously important.
So I told Dwight that without being obvious to Henry, because Henry was sitting in the men's seat to work on these
You know, the backup guys are just trying to establish a good rapport there.
He said that worked awfully well.
And he said both Jenkins and Horton, who know China pretty well, disagree completely with Henry's evaluation of what the Chinese are going to want.
Yeah.
He said that they think, both of them think independently, that the Chinese are after maximum exposure.
themselves on this thing and that they will want as much television stuff as we can put in there as long as it doesn't they don't lose face by looking at it in the process yeah well i look i raised this story because the moment i saw it it was really quite a bad story about it was and also it was bad for the president
It was a very bad, uh, and it was written that way.
It was written.
In court states, when they wanted to see exactly what he was trying to do, and he did it well, and he's trying to do it, and the others are trying to attack Sumnery, of course, which, of course, is the other one.
But you might point out, in this instance, that we say on Henry's hand, it's all, because they've said there weren't any letters or wires on Henry's house from the Soviet summit.
Yeah.
Now, the point is, in all this, what really counts is the, let's say,
Don't worry about it.
That's a goddamn cheap shot, isn't it?
And then that's off.
What they're after, though, is a garrity little...
Nothing.
I do think it's a building story, so I was just picking up the local play, I think, anyway.
Sometimes a very positive future.
Dr. Levi.
This is an appalling offering.
I'll tell you what we hear about this.
We mean it in the presence of the legal profession.
All right.
All right.
Do you see this thing, P.G.
Wodehouse?
Of course.
They're making a big thing out of his 98th birthday.
And they elicited among his favorites pipes, events, and Richard Nixon.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Jim Allen, you probably didn't see that, was killed in a plane crash.
James Allen, our education commissioner.
And Mary Grant came in a private plane.
And his wife.
Both of them.
Who is the gal that I'm supposed to be seeing?
I've got to check that.
I'm not sure.
It's the newspaper, Robert.
Man, I won't see any newspaper men.
I don't know what that is.
Some woman, two other men.
Yeah.
Vos, Ruth Vos, which is my brother-in-law.
I'm not seeing any questions.
I see individual comments.
I made it for months ago.
I saw them on there and moved them off.
I think they are something.
I've got to check back.
I made a note earlier.
Mr. Wright, maybe you better not get Scali on that because Henry will hear that Scali was coming.
Well, we can, but we've got to do it carefully.
We can't let Scali get in there.
You're going to hit him.
You're going to hit him.
I guess you can't do that either, but... Yeah.
I don't know what the hell you can do.
The doctor talked to Hayden about it.
He basically said it's a problem for Henry.
It's a very serious problem.
It's Henry's...
It's Henry's conceit that he doesn't mean to do it.
I understand.
I'm sure he doesn't mean it.
I'm sure he agrees.
Yeah.
But he does do it.
It's just inevitable that he does it.
No, he really most of the time tries hard not to because he knows that it's...
that it's a danger, but also he's got to realize that it's common.
That it's common.
That it's common.
Of course, it's true, but they're going to try to get out of him.
Therefore, he's got to compensate.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I've been thinking on this.
I've got several little schedule problems.
I'm going to take his name out of the net.
I'm inclined to think that we better not do it.
I'll tell you why.
Henry's getting back on the 25th.
We've got that troop announcement coming up shortly thereafter.
You see what I mean?
I want to meet him when he gets back to get him nailed down dead fast.
You see what I mean?
How early does he come in?
I don't know what that says.
You are.
You are.
I am inclined with that, that I will do the candidate that's nice and upright in any way, you know what I mean?
It's one of those times when it's extremely pleasant, so I don't mind going out there.
I don't mind any time, but why don't you give the bank an episode or two?
You've got to save it for the widow.
I think so, but I didn't want to do their speech.
But don't do that.
You shouldn't do that.
No, but I should go and make a drop by the woman's bed.
Right, man.
That would be bad, but we're damn speeders.
No, I'll do it the way I want.
You said you wanted to do it at the morning give.
That's right.
Well, why not get it in?
It's cold as he went in.
in terms of that, I think I should be here.
Because when he comes back, then I will have considered whether to go home and press that thing.
My question is, I can't go home and press that until I'm ready to go on the... Yeah, so maybe I can't do that with you and everything, but... You see, if you go down on 23rd and 24th,
Well, how much advantage do you have to do when this is wrong?
You have to do it all very soon, I suppose, don't you?
Yeah, but we can set it on a way that, you know, it's something we don't want.
We've got a flag out there, at least.
Well, we can take care of that in any way, as long as we can say that, and say it by the right word and honesty.
We'll see when he gets back.
Why don't we do that?
I want to be there when he gets back.
I want to get him right away when he gets back.
Either that or another way you can do it is we'll see you come there right before.
Do you have any interest in doing that, uh, that Penn State radio address?
I don't mind.
But I don't think it's, I don't know of anybody that can write one.
So I guess let's start with that.
Do you?
Well, they seem to think they have a chance at some stuff on it.
Do you mean by running?
Over Christ's sakes, of course they'll run.
No, no, no, no.
I mean some chances of good stuff to cover, you know, the veterans as the war comes to an end.
All right, fine.
Give me a thousand words.
A thousand words.
Don't call it words.
I think a regular person is fine.
I'm afraid I'm not his.
Poor guy, he is really working.
Just isn't happy with him yet, but he's right.
It's one of those things where we don't have to be...
I'm not here to...
But he was going to work all weekend and...
It's just a perfectionist.
This is the kind of thing that comes old.
I'll tell you what, when they're done off, they're good.
Well, they may, you may have, what he's working on is trying to get four or five, something that sounds great.
You may have a really, as far as we got, the point I've made to them is that we ought to get them done this year before, before, you know, they need to wrap them off.
Yeah, they could all be done around Christmas.
Well, that's one thing they're talking about.
Maybe doing this sort of the year-end presidential perspective.
We're doing some good work.
You know, the only issue is peace with them.
I mean, the only one where we have a positive issue.
And I'm just thinking about it.
I don't know if you can hear it.
That's all right, too, but I didn't know that.
In fact, the answer is of an interest and not one that meant it.
Oh, he's had the sense of turning the whole, turning the fort over to something other than a, in a military violence or a war, they're at least over to a health base or something like that.
But we, we've got the boys getting good with the little organization.
Yes, I understand.
Getting some excellent people around.
They are, I'll tell you something, they are...
Don't mention this to him.
I thought the other thing this week, tomorrow if possible, and I guess once we're done with the budget, we need to get that wrapped up.
I thought we might shoot for tomorrow afternoon on that.
Good.
It might not be better to go with the woman first.
It might.
Just to get, you know, let it swallow her on about that.
And if you can get the other one in fairly soon afterwards, maybe that will snap you.
Start the confirmation here.
Well, the point is, it's going to be goddamn hard for them to send two of them and make them
with a double effect.
It's really something, though.
You notice the ones that are raising this, they are really the liberals, because they're deciding this really sticks.
They know what's involved here.
The court is the deepest thing that cuts the right strength of the heart.
Are you ready?
Sure.
No question.
And they're pushing through.
It's the only leaky, you know, that kind of thing.
You'd get them probably pretty happy, although they, I'm not so sure.
I think they'd turn on him, too.
Somebody, you know, a Jew, shouldn't go in here.
It's a child.
It's a kind of voice.
I don't know.
They would never walk away from me.
It was like being out of jail, of course.
At one point, it occurred to me that it might be well for me to do the republics and live it.
If I could get the Lillian house ready, it would have been thirsty and it had the proud of all of them.
With regard to my whole thing,
Mrs. Colt called in regard to lunch.
I mentioned this to you tonight.
How, can you handle that, or is she going to handle it?
Well, I don't know.
I don't know how you feel about that.
What's the score?
Just tell them that we can't, I just, look, I guess there's something to be, do you think there's something to be said for our stay at Banner Chicken Hands?
A lot of those people are, no, well, I don't, there might be, there might be something to be said from staying, from having a little reception at the hospital after the dedication ceremony, like we did with Billy Branch, and that I think is special.
Why don't we just say that because of the number of people that we will stay after their reception.
Now there'll be too damn many, and Bob can just have all the good givers, so they can come through.
But 7,000, fair enough.
I'll take a look at the business council and see if they have a favor.
Of course, they made a very good point that you know that some of the bitches who had anything
That's exactly what's happened.
We've got nothing but, apparently nothing but basically good stuff.
So we need not one inch.
You wouldn't know the guy in the console was beating except for the plane that crashed on the way there.
Exactly that.
I'm going to try to get Pat's trip to Africa laid on him.
For one small thing, we're going to have to keep raising us from this picture thing.
Ollie doesn't like the pictures.
We're going to get him.
And, uh, what was it, Maroon?
No, it's the other guys.
Yeah.
And apparently, they said they were fine.
Apparently, they don't blow up, right, and so forth.
So, yes, he'd do some.
Or we have David Bacharach, who is a disaster.
I've had David Bacharach.
He's the son of the old man.
He has a brilliant reputation.
But worst of all is Arnold Newman.
Let me just say that I haven't had more pictures taken.
You can't, but I, but you see, we took that poor guy from California National, which I always thought was very good.
They knocked that down.
Now you hit these, you knocked that down.
I don't know what they had in California, but they knocked that down on a basis.
He makes a good picture for a snapshot, but these portrait things, he says, won't go blow up because they're not to, they've been retouched.
And then they looked at his eyes and said, I'd just like to know, I thought there was a little professionalism involved here.
Alex doesn't have any judgment on pictures, Bob.
You know what I mean?
Don't leave it to him.
He's not judging him at all.
My point is, I just don't want to take my mind and go through another seance with Richie Taker.
Until I get, unless we get, if we're not, that's just it.
See, Ali has an exceptional standing on him, and he is not a good part-time man.
I agree.
Yes.
He hasn't been balanced on him.
There's a...
And I want her to see that it just doesn't work that way.
Now, you don't get any bad records, do you?
Do you think he's any good?
Not very good at all.
He over-granitizes.
Oh, man.
I don't know what we want for a picture.
We've got to get something.
But it seems he's almost done.
He's done.
He's got an awfully good picture now.
Ask him.
It's just pretty informal for a president.
It may be we need an informal picture.
That's my point.
Maybe I need an informal picture.
But when you look at these yourself, maybe they don't have to be blown up.
I don't know what the situation is.
Maybe you don't see what you're looking for.
One of the things is they do.
They're the big pictures.
Maybe they don't have them.
All that may just use them.
What I've done on that is, there's something wrong here.
I followed up on it and it's the worst of all three.
I've shaken it up a little bit now.
I sent a note to Malik telling him I want him to get into it.
I want him to get it completely broken down and give me just an objective report on what the situation is.
I said I'd copy that to Malik and then copy it to Olson, which I'll send right up the wall.
I thought that they ought to continue to subsidize these programs that are against us and subsidize, I mean, San Fernando and others that, you know, get dropped off the public broadcast.
It has become accessible to all of them.
Yeah, certainly.
We're working on it in Brookings, and we're doing it right here.
And poor little old man like Al Cole is 80 years old, for Christ's sakes, sits there and says, well, I'm poor, even when the crisis is happening.
Fred Rennie wraps him around his finger, and he said, we'll get it next year.
Now, God damn it, we've been in this three years.
I raised this thing, and of course, it wasn't very sharp or anything like this.
Just, you know, he gets to follow programs.
He didn't know how bad it is.
Well, maybe he does.
I think he does, but he must know how bad it is.
But I, God damn it, I didn't even cut it off.
It's like that piece drawer, you know, I said.
So, I'm preaching it out for them.
If you can't find a note on it,
and then you can be store and the outside of all of your organizations, that's how screwed up that was.
We had to pay him out to work on that, and he just had to put on the dirty things.
But it's obvious that he managed to drop that ball.
I hadn't heard of that until we brought him in.
I gave him a dinner and everything.
I thought we would hear from him.
Now the poor guy, now he finds that this clown who runs the Peace Corps is taking over the whole thing.
Bob says we ought to put a volunteer in.
That isn't what it's all about, as I recall.
That's not volunteer, Bob.
You should know, the volunteer thing here, the Peace Corps is paid, not much, but paid.
It's a hell of a different thing.
And I think Bob was missing the concept.
Well, forget it.
It's not all that important.
It just may be that it's a great idea that we don't have the capability of getting carried out, but the impact is great.
I think we've got to test the case.
We've got to go face it and capture it and increase the impact.
Yeah, that's right.
Just have a few little minutes where we go around and pair the auto parts.
You know, write letters to volunteers and so forth and so on.
Have a volunteer center.
But don't try to spread it around.
But they go over the numbers.
They haven't done what I heard.
Well, I said get one program.
One program that appeals to people.
And forget all the other things.
And then you go to campaigns.
Now, the son of a bitch has done it.
He's come after the numbers.
But don't tell me about the guy that's running the Peace Corps, the new Action Corps.
I mean, I know what that is.
That's the, well, that's one of my, I guess you can't stand it.
Would you get me the dates, as soon as you can, for the White House response later?
Oh, yeah.
I thought I might have a minute then.
I don't know.
You let me know.
Because I'm not going to go to either of what I would be planning to do.
I can't even tell you.
I'm going to get her or something.
Unfortunately, also, that's right in the middle of your whole China-Russia business comes in that season.
You've got to say they're a burden with regard to that Evans and Novak and Boucher and all that stuff.
Did he have his daughter up all right over the weekend?
Sure, it's a little harder, but I think it's hard for him.
I'm not going to say that, but I'm going to say that there is better evidence there, because I think their idea, they're going to try to come up with this, and have it be just public violence and just on the stuff they're out to him about.
Now, you see, it's a non-public official.
He has a right of action.
No public official would be liable to my opinion anymore, and the court is very sure of that.
You could get a reconnection, or you could really build in a pack of pieces.
It's really curious why they haven't written part of it in times or... That's, Vicky pointed that out, that the hand objects and papers aren't carrying it.
It isn't getting very much play in any part of it.
Well, it is in certain places.
Well, it's got a lot of them.
We've got one guy right back down in Minneapolis, Los Angeles.
Miami.
Miami is murdered during the Pearl Peak.
Well, it is liable to tell, you know.
It'll be son-in-law, so it's got the bones, it's stolen stock.
Yeah.
All of it.
Totally, totally.
Absolutely false.
Absolutely false.
and the stuff they have in about me and my stock.
I mean, this really early, you know, such a curious and which is great.
He just wags his head because he realizes that I lost probably $300,000 in the last Amstock.
And I'm hurting, and it does the ridiculous thing on it.
I sold an Amstock at $2.
They are now asking four and a half.
I said, and they'll get it.
They're going to get four and a half or five.
The time I sold it, it was worth three and a half.
They had an offer.
I mean, not an offer, but a contract.
You know, they earned one of those things.
Well, it's pretty interesting.
Well, you'd forget you heard this, but he was trying to be in a cash transaction.
He didn't want to give it the other way, and he, and obviously didn't get to do that.
I was the ranger's coach from that cache.
Contributions would be.
Now we've got, we've got our given stashed away.
Now it's totally separate cache.
Who has got that?
But it's separate from anything that, see, nobody has any access to that.
It's understood Mitchell knows it's there because it's gold.
Well, the idea is once you give it a rose, that's good.
I think it's a good idea to get some into something that nobody knows is there anyway.
Well, BD has some on that report.
I don't know if that's right.
But I think that's just as well because the two million we've got, Stanislaus is there because some of it was the money.
There was about 800,000 of it was money that was already there.
And it would have kept hidden because we didn't want the National Committee to get their hopes into it.
But we'll hang on to that one and just use it when the next day answers.
I suppose it means we can't take Humphrey long enough.
Why not give it to him?
I don't give it to him.
There's Humphrey on for that anyway.
But Humphrey's going to get hit on.
Andrews is a listed contributor to Humphrey.
Notice in the news we hear this, this is even worse.
We got 42% independent, 38% Democrat, 18% GOP.
Well, that's how we, that's the, see, and that doesn't, that, you know, we're on the radical left.
Lives on the radical left.
See, you don't know where they, 45, that's where they pull up prestige campuses, 20% conservative.
Because those kids don't know any better, is she?
They should have been set as a key, should have pushed them, pounded into them for the last five years.
She's usually, she's cool, she was, she was kind of the strongest, kind of the oldest.
Yeah, two points behind.
I don't know what I was doing.
I thought, I thought that Harris School would do this.
They use different ones.
They, they hire Gallant to Harrow RC sometimes.
They shift your energy and commission poles.
I suspect they may pull, they may buy a lot of poles and then rent the ones they want.
I think Harris is fine.
It really has so many different numbers that are not being faked, and they might be.
I'm not sure.
I always doubted they might be hedged a bit, but not indefinite much.
But, boy, the words are there.
Jesus Christ, I mean, he's writing all together different stories.
Completely.
And that's very valuable.
And it's just worth a lot.
And just, you know, the mind, the mind gets out of it.
It's, uh, we used to talk about the idea of going, we just gotta be aware of that, but we don't ever start believing.
Because that's why a lot of people in our city believe our own stuff and even question that a little bit, because none of this stuff is an act.
But ours, we know ours is an attempt to be honest, which is more than we can say for any of the others.
That's why we should always wire.
We've done a hell of a job with this ORC and the way we're going now, the way we're going now, we should be getting out of the rather solid where we are in some of these initiatives.
It's very, very hard.
It's very, very hard for the opposition to talk.
It's not going on.
It's just a desert with a donkey
Staggering his skin and bones by donkey scabs.
Stretched staggering along the desert saying, issues, issues.
The problem they've got, they've got the cigars, the restaurant, they've got this on them.
Because they did do it when Kennedy was going to Johnson.
But they do now.
It kills them.
In the name of how much we already have worked out.
I'm holding you so much.
We have a bit done, right?
We've got something set up.
We've been going in and set up.
Jack's first day.
He should have told us we had something worked out.
He saw that I had a scratch.
He's done with it.
He's washed it all in there.
I feel that he's getting there.
better feeling about the troops down in Washington.
I guess it's harder to begin with.
It is a terrible feeling to read all these figures.
We all think everybody in the country is just panting, waiting for the next quarter sign.
Let me tell you, if you pull that, it's going to be 15%.
I believe you.
Believe me.
It's not that big.
I don't want to talk about it.
Carswell ain't forgiving all that much here.
Not reading that much.
Carswell was a debate.
Kind of got through as an issue, I think.
Not as a big thing, you know.
That's what I mean.
I think I don't want you talking to Dave about it.
He must really be on Henry regarding this, so that Henry just gets anything out of his mind about going to Moscow, prior to Moscow, you know?
Or, with regard to getting out, Henry's got this, you know, this idea that he's panicked, you know what I mean?
And I want to pay, you know what I mean?
Is there other ways to deal with it?
He must not go to Moscow with regard to Vietnam.
Or, in Twitter, with regard to the American side.
They deal with chickens.
People say that they deal with dinner for cat cats.
No, Jacob says Henry's people feel different than Henry.
I mean, I was in the State Department, and Henry's guy, Holdridge, very much enjoyed, he was, and he said Henry's attitude is totally different, too.
Much more, like you guys, Henry, after I talked to him.
Yeah.
Before he left, he did.
I did talk to him yesterday.
I had a call in to him, and I don't,
The thing that I withhold, I mean, I, well, this might be a bit of time to give out the Jennifer story, but I,
let's just let them see what how much the johnson things picked up first and then give it a look this might be a time for somebody it's such a logical thing for people now to dig into it so that we can have an excuse for helms and say well they never got would you not agree yeah
Oh, shit.
We could have, it seems to me, stages of generous business about who comes to it.
I don't see where there'd be any problem.
It must be the winner who wants to come to it.
Because there's going to be five dinners in the next three to six weeks.
Yeah, enough.
It's good to know that everybody should be happy.
Got one for McMahon, one for Gandhi, one for Eric Turkey.
We're in great shape, man.
Could I suggest on that one that we really go to work and try to take care of people that need to be taken care of and not have just those, you know, just the pressure points get in?
This is the occasion you can maybe do that.
500 people right there.
I'll figure 100 are VIPs, have 400 expectations.
My bad.
On Ellsworth, it's not.
Rather than you, it's about you.
It's about me.
It's about me.
It's about me.
It's about me.
It's about me.
It's about me.
It's about me.
I think so.