{"conversationCode":"594-002","tapeNumber":594,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-594-002","startDateTime":"1971-10-18T12:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-18T13:58:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Oct-1971","startTime":"8:45 AM","endDate":"18-Oct-1971","endTime":"9:58 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On October 18, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:45 am to 9:58 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 594-002 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 594-2\n\nDate: October 18, 1971\nTime: 8:45 am - 9:58 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Helicopter\n               -Passengers\n                      -The President’s instruction\n               -Andrews Air Force Base\n               -Passengers\n                      -William P. Rogers\n                      -John N. Mitchell\n\n     News story\n         -World Series game\n               -The President's prediction\n         -Richard A. Moore\n               -Irish vote\n                     -Ronald L. Ziegler\n\nSports\n     -Pittsburgh Pirates\n           -The President’s prediction\n                -Wire service story\n           -Outcome of World Series\n           -The President's telephone call\n     -Washington Redskins\n     -Popular psychology\n     -Arkansas-Texas football game\n           -Reaction of Arkansas players\n     -Pittsburgh Pirates\n\nPersonnel\n     -Look reporter\n          -John D. Ehrlichman\n          -Thomas R. Shepard, Jr.\n               -Campaign\n               -State Department\n                     -Public affairs office\n                          -Rogers\n                                 -Objective\n                          -[Forename unknown] Collins\n                          -John Richardson, Jr.\n               -Campaign\n               -The President’s view\n\nH. Rap Brown\n\n“The Vantage Point”\n     -Lyndon B. Johnson\n     -John F. Kennedy\n     -Ngo Dinh Diem\n     -Media reaction\n\nPress coverage of World Series\n      -Disturbance in Pittsburgh\n           -Earl Weaver\n                 -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]\n                 -Dan Rather\n\nSupreme Court appointments\n\n-Nominees\n    -Mitchell, Ehrlichman\n    -American Bar Association [ABA]\n          -Edward M. Kennedy\n          -Herschel H. Friday\n          -Mildred L. Lillie\n                -Record as judge\n          -Friday\n                -Lawyer\n                -Possible problems\n                      -Potter Stewart\n                      -Tom Wicker\n                -Lillie\n    -Ehrlichman\n    -Mitchell\n    -Southerner\n          -[Unintelligible]\n                -Florida\n    -William H. Mulligan\n    -Lillie\n          -Political membership\n          -Woman\n                -Conservative Catholics\n                      -John F. Kennedy\n                -Bella S. Abzug\n                -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n                -Public relations\n    -Friday\n    -Question of using the Court for political ends\n          -Republicans\n          -Friday\n                -Mitchell\n                -John L. McClellan\n    -Wilbur D. Mills\n          -Louis C. Wyman\n          -New Hampshire primary\n    -Richard H. Poff\n          -Justice Department\n                -Will R. Wilson\n    -Mitchell\n          -Friday\n\n          -John W. Dean, III\n          -Ehrlichman\n          -David R. Young, Jr.\n          -Nominees\n                -Mitchell\n                      -Friday\n                -Jew\n                      -Edward H. Levi\n                -Mitchell\n                      -Friday\n                -Age\n                      -Lewis F. Powell\n                -Friday\n                -Age criteria\n                -Friday\n                -G. Harrold Carswell\n                -Strategy\n                      -Timing of announcement\n                            -Press\n                                 -Questions and answers [Q&A]\n\nMedia\n    -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis\n    -Allen S. Drury\n    -Look magazine excerpt\n    -Ziegler\n         -Haldeman's daughter\n         -Response to press\n    -Look article\n         -Haldeman's daughter’s view\n               -Ziegler\n         -Henry A. Kissinger\n\nNews summary\n    -Lyndon B. Johnson’s book\n         -Diem’s assassination\n    -The President's visit to Charlotte, North Carolina\n    -Washington Star story\n         -Kissinger\n         -Veracity of story\n               -People's Republic of China [PRC] initiative\n\n                      -Rogers\n           -The President’s role\n           -Kissinger\n                -Briefings\n                -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n                -John A. Scali\n\nThe President's PRC trip\n     -Media coverage\n          -Scali\n                 -Kissinger\n\nKissinger's trip to PRC\n     -Dwight L. Chapin\n           -Hawaii\n           -Kissinger\n           -State Department\n                  -Alfred LeS. Jenkins\n                  -John H. Holdridge\n                        -Chinese language ability\n           -PRC Summit\n                  -Holdridge’s and Jenkins view\n                        -Public relations\n                  -Kissinger\n                  -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n                  -Desires of Chinese\n                        -Publicity\n                             -Holdridge’s and Jenkins’ view\n                  -Forthcoming Soviet Summit\n\nMedia\n    -News story\n          -Summit meetings\n          -Kissinger\n          -Soviet Summit announcement\n    -New York Times\n          -Lillie's husband, A. V. Falcone\n          -Account\n    -J. Edgar Hoover\n          -Hugh Sidey\n    -Chicago Sun Times\n\n           -Levi\n     -P. G. Wodehouse\n           -New York Mets\n           -Richard M. Nixon\n     -Plane crash\n           -Dr. James E. Allen\n                 -Wife\n                 -Grand Canyon\n\nThe President's schedule\n     -Contacts with the press\n          -Ruth Voss\n          -Robert Allen\n          -Scali\n                 -Kissinger\n                 -Haig\n          -Kissinger\n     -Forthcoming trip to Disneyland\n     -Kissinger's schedule\n     -Troop announcement\n     -Camp David\n     -Republican Women's dinner\n     -Disneyland\n          -Possible press conference\n     -Location of the President upon Kissinger's return\n          -Florida\n                 -Kissinger\n     -Radio addresses\n          -Veterans' Day\n          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.\n          -Year end Presidential perspective\n\nYouth\n    -Newsweek magazine\n          -Peace\n    -Fort Detrick\n          -Cancer initiative\n          -Military\n    -William E. Brock III\n\nThe President's schedule\n\n     -Mitchell\n          -Supreme Court appointments\n     -Rogers and Haig\n     -George P. Shultz, Ehrlichman, Haig, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger\n          -Budget meeting\n\nSupreme Court appointments\n     -Nomination\n          -Woman\n                -Timing of announcement\n                      -Confirmation hearings\n          -Liberals\n                -Jews\n          -Levi\n     -Weinberger\n     -Republican Women event\n          -Lillie announcement\n\nThe President's schedule\n     -Delores Hope\n          -Mrs. Nixon's schedule\n     -Reception\n          -Hospital\n                 -William F. (“Billy”) Graham\n          -Leslie T. (“Bob”) and Delores Hope\n\nEconomy\n    -Business Council\n         -Charles W. Colson\n         -Publicity\n\nMrs. Nixon's schedule\n     -Forthcoming trip to Africa\n\nPublic relations\n     -Photographs of the President\n            -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins\n            -Bradford K. (“Fabian”) Bachrach\n            -Arnold Newman\n            -The President’ view\n            -Unknown photographer from California\n\n           -Alexander P. Butterfield\n           -Atkins\n           -Bachrach\n           -John B. Connally\n           -The President's view\n\nWhite House correspondence\n     -Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]\n          -Charlotte, North Carolina\n\nPublic broadcasting\n     -The President’s view\n     -Frederic V. Malek\n           -Report\n           -Peter M. Flanigan\n           -Colson\n     -Programs\n           -Subsidization\n           -Sander Vanocer\n           -Brookings Institute\n     -George H. Gallup\n           -Fred W. Friendly\n     -Flanigan\n     -Funding\n\nPeace Corps\n     -Robert H. Finch\n     -Outside volunteer organizations\n     -Malek\n     -Finch\n     -Director\n     -Center for Voluntary Action\n     -ACTION\n\nThe President's schedule\n     -White House correspondents dinner\n     -Dinner\n          -PRC-USSR planning\n\nNewsday magazine article\n    -Ziegler\n\n          -Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak\n     -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n          -Possible suit\n          -Ehrlichman\n          -Schedule\n          -Newspapers\n                -Minneapolis, Los Angeles\n                -Miami\n                -Story\n                     -Son-in-law\n                          -Stock\n                     -Veracity\n                          -The President's finances\n                                -Ehrlichman\n                                      -Financial loss\n                                -Stock quotations\n\nCampaign financing\n    -Lewis\n    -Dwayne O. Andreas\n         -Contribution\n               -Hubert H. 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(\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"594-001","nextCode":"594-003","tapeTranscriptFile":"594a.mp3,594b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":732.88,"end":743.49,"text":"We're just going to regard the helicopter as a car."},{"start":743.57,"end":748.95,"text":"There's another reason too."},{"start":757.22,"end":758.33,"text":"Everybody can hear."},{"start":758.35,"end":760.47,"text":"Everybody could hear."},{"start":760.51,"end":761.77,"text":"He wants to be proud."},{"start":761.81,"end":765.07,"text":"The other thing is, it's a very, very strange helicopter."},{"start":765.67,"end":766.77,"text":"It's just a helicopter."},{"start":767.57,"end":776.4,"text":"So, nobody provides for him."},{"start":776.48,"end":776.76,"text":"It's a rocket."},{"start":776.82,"end":777.26,"text":"It's a rocket."},{"start":777.46,"end":778.84,"text":"It's a rocket."},{"start":778.88,"end":779.68,"text":"It's a rocket."},{"start":779.7,"end":780.64,"text":"It's a rocket."},{"start":780.84,"end":781.34,"text":"It's a 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in."},{"start":4827.15,"end":4828.33,"text":"This is the occasion you can make it."},{"start":4828.37,"end":4831.19,"text":"You've got 500 people right there."},{"start":4831.22,"end":4833.38,"text":"I don't think you're 100 or behind me."},{"start":4833.44,"end":4835.2,"text":"You've got 400 in the picture."},{"start":4835.22,"end":4835.4,"text":"My bad."},{"start":4858.96,"end":4860.85,"text":"On Ellsworth, it's rather than you."},{"start":4860.9,"end":4861.61,"text":"It's about nails."},{"start":4861.75,"end":4868.35,"text":"I don't want to complicate it, but do you know him?"},{"start":4868.77,"end":4873.44,"text":"You didn't know that, did you?"},{"start":4874.84,"end":4875.4,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":4875.74,"end":4878.9,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":4878.92,"end":4879.28,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":4879.39,"end":4879.7,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":4879.74,"end":4880.33,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":4880.41,"end":4880.95,"text":"I'm not 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