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Conversation 596-013

TapeTape 596StartTuesday, October 19, 1971 at 12:36 PMEndTuesday, October 19, 1971 at 12:53 PMTape start time02:22:44Tape end time02:38:02ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Woods, Rose Mary;  White House operator;  Poff, Richard H.;  Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On October 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, White House operator, Richard H. Poff, and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:36 pm to 12:53 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 596-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 596-13

Date: October 19, 1971
Time: 12:36 pm - 12:53 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods.

      The President's schedule
           -Previous evening event at John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts

                -Mrs. J. Willard Marriott
                -William D. Blair, Jr.

     Kennedy Center
         -Roger L. Stephens
         -Congressional funding
         -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
         -Democrats
         -National Center
         -Kennedy Foundation meeting
         -White House use
         -Kennedy Foundation
               -Blair
         -Paul Bertrum [?]
         -Leonard Garment
         -Nancy Hanks
         -Blair
               -Mrs. Marriott

     Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon

The President talked with White House operator at an unknown time between 12:36 pm and
12:42 pm.

[Conversation No. 596-13A]

[See Conversation No. 11-127]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming events

The President talked with Richard H. Poff between 12:42 pm and 12:43 pm.

[Conversation No. 596-13B]

[See Conversation No. 11-128]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Kennedy Center social event
         -Reception
         -Leonard W. Hall
         -Number of attendees

The President talked with Mrs. Nixon between 12:45 pm and 12:46 pm.

[Conversation No. 596-13C]

[See Conversation No. 11-129; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Woods's previous conversation with Hall
         -The President's work with Congress
         -John B. Connally
               -Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
               -Connally’s efforts

     Supreme Court appointment
          -Mildred L. Lillie
               -Letter from Thomas E. Dewey, Jr. [?]
                     -Los Angeles bar association
                     -Shirley M. Hufstedler
               -Earl C. Adams
               -Walter N. Thayer
               -Letter from Dewey
                     -John N. Mitchell

     Woods's staff
         -Additional staff
               -Woods view
         -Donna Reed's cousin
         -Marjorie P. Acker
         -Mary Setton [sp?]
         -Selection process
               -Woods view

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 42s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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          -Schedule
          -Letter from West Virginia teacher
                -Mrs. Nixon's reply

     Photographs and portraits
          -The President
          -Eisenhower
               -Cabinet Room
               -Kennedy Center
               -Cabinet Room

Woods left at 12:53 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Well, what do you hear?
What?
I was listening all the time.
Oh, all right.
I was glad to go to her, sis.
Marry him.
What?
Well, you know, it's a terrible thing.
Senator, she told me all about it.
That girl, Willie McCartney, who loved Blair, is, uh, you know, what I mean?
We're trying to... Can't we get rid of him?
We can't.
We're not sure.
I was just going to tell you.
I thought you were going to add that to the reason why I was teasing you.
I thought you were going to add that to the reason why I was teasing you.
I thought you were going to add that to the reason why I was teasing you.
I thought you were going to add that to the reason why I was teasing you.
I thought you were going to add that to the reason why I was teasing you.
I think they will.
I really think they will.
Because the Kennedy family, last Saturday night, I think, and so does everyone in town, they used to know it were their home.
Last Saturday night.
They had the Kennedy Foundation around them, and they had their big... What did they do with that?
They had the Kennedy Foundation meeting and awarding prizes and all that.
They used the Kennedy Center for that.
And so, they treated it so well.
I had someone to check that, see if they paid for all that stuff.
We ought to listen to, you know, it's a... Of course.
It's a beautiful thing down there on the road, isn't it?
We have a... We have a...
Frankly, there should be some action there.
I know.
I didn't want to sit there and...
I think, oh, it's really terrible what they're doing.
And they do.
They're hiring people and everything.
Oh, they're so bad.
Is anyone here in Denmark?
Christ, we're horrible.
He's a no good son of a bitch.
But we're working on it, we're working on it.
He's trying to get the weight, all the work he's trying to get players to keep, to get him drawn out.
And we get somebody else in, we gotta get somebody, but I told Bob and Mandy, I wanna be sure that Lennon and Nancy Hanks also play that game, you know, cause they could,
He says they do.
He says they are on exactly the same side.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know what I mean?
Because I just wondered, because this is, I don't know, let's plan for that.
Okay.
Well, I mean, I guess, because I'm sure that on our side of the thing, I'm sure that some of it is not good.
Well, you know, a teammate, maybe he sounds, you know, sometimes I think he tries to be, sounds taller than they are.
And also, he doesn't want to be cornered.
You know, he probably doesn't know Mrs. Mary as well, as far as whether she would quote him.
But we can sure find out.
Somebody else probably didn't.
Is this the next place?
Well, she is.
She's our friend today.
But, uh, so John here, the guy, he's gonna be working in the barn.
Well, maybe he is the one.
I don't know.
I don't have to go out very often.
I mean, the Knights are so damn hard.
Now we've got these five coming up, but this is just those days.
Well, they're not as hard.
Really, I mean, it's the ones where you have to go out to the mall, right?
I know, I know.
But it's been so long since last night and everything.
So I wanted to congratulate you.
I would have mentioned it at the meeting this morning.
You're the only member of Congress or the Senate who celebrates birthday today.
So, yeah.
Well, anyway, I just hope you figure out that the political world is the rest of my life.
Okay, yeah.
All right, good.
Give my best to your ma'am.
Bye.
But two or three people told me it was rather long.
Lenin told me he couldn't hear.
It was very hard to hear.
I see.
He goes to that reception afterwards.
You know, everything was black but long.
Well, the reception was only 40 people.
Well, they go to him, too.
He may have been 40, I don't know.
No, he wasn't 40 people.
I had breakfast with Glenn.
Glenn Hall.
He did a great job.
I mean, when he comes to town, and he said again how he thought you looked excellent, he just, you know, he's so sweet.
What a good job you do.
He knows how tough it is.
You know, how tough it is is the fact that you have to work with this guy.
He also says that
He's just doggone glad and proud of the way Conley has conducted himself.
Well, good for him.
He remembers.
He remembers.
He said there were people on the street, and that's what means Wall Street there are, who at first said, well, what the hell is he putting him in for?
What does he know about this?
And he said,
He wanted me to tell you this, to a man that he'd never talked to before.
They just said, oh, well, you know, they didn't know.
He said he showed self-confidence.
He said he's not afraid to praise the president.
He said, this is another guy.
He said, why, he said, and he said, they think it's all part of being the president.
He said, you know, he went around the country.
He never said anything about how we all survived him.
And, of course, Len was a good chairman, too, you know.
I know, I know.
And he said, you know, he said, you know, and he said, the one that does the most, or the most effective job, and he didn't run any of the other cabs, but the most effective job is done by the officer.
And so he just, you know, he thinks everything, you know, looks good, and he's very patient about it.
Strong, Connelly, it's on you and the administration, and on the confidence, the self-confidence that he shows.
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
And when he does his job, it's back.
That's great.
That's good.
Looks good.
He's thin.
Quite, you know, thin and not quite there.
And I promise, two people I was telling you there, and also because of who they are, Tom deeply wrote about it.
He's just saying that the Los Angeles Bar Association and the Law of the Eternal City would rather have Douglas than either Hoss Pecker or Melvin Hoss.
And she's a deeply advanced.
Early on she was an advocate against Walter Taylor.
I heard about that.
So you think it would be a drastic change for Melvin Hoss?
that no matter what anyone tells us, she is a Moran woman and would be a disaster for you, doesn't that make sense?
Well, I don't know.
Only those two who never called, you see.
I mean, Tom Dewey never, right?
And he didn't say for himself.
He just said, it's those people.
And he said...
If you wanted to, you know, if you wanted to have Mitchell call, he said Mitchell probably knows all that.
If you wanted to call Angelo Francis Barr.
Because Tom, very apologetic, but he never writes about that.
Good answer.
I'm going to put on a face of Diane Pancus, Dr. Nelson's wife.
I don't know if you remember when I used to go out and hang out with Tony again.
He is so solid, so much behind you, as she is.
So she worked in the campaign headquarters here from early 1960s down to where it was here.
She works as a marketer now in Tampa.
I told Bob, her husband, to quit by the first of the year because she wanted to campaign for working with us.
What do you think is I can test her with anything now?
So I'm going to put her on a diet.
And I just can't get anyone that I don't trust with everything.
I've got doctors, cousin, and mom.
Mary sent me over to the correspondence section because she could get more money on the day or something.
And this other girl found me because the woman is good and I know that my office would be full again and I'd have to get her to go to the office.
Because I didn't want to interview anyone.
I would bring somebody in from just anywhere to see if they were going to
I have this.
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