{"conversationCode":"596-022","tapeNumber":596,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-596-022","startDateTime":"1971-10-19T17:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-20T03:59:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Oct-1971","startTime":"1:45 PM","endDate":"19-Oct-1971","endTime":"11:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"[Unknown person(s)];","description":"On October 19, 1971, unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:45 pm and 11:59 pm. 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