Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 599 › Conversation 599-005

Nixon & Woods on Camp David and Josip Broz Tito

Friday, October 22, 1971 · 9:06 AM–9:25 AM ET · Oval Office · 20 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose MaryConversation599-005 on Tape 599 (tape position 00:17:12–00:39:21)StartFriday, October 22, 1971 at 9:06 AMEndFriday, October 22, 1971 at 9:25 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 599-005 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 417179235 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and personal secretary Rose Mary Woods met to discuss the President's upcoming schedule, including plans for a radio address and potential travel to Camp David. They reviewed logistical concerns regarding upcoming meetings, such as the visit of Josip Broz Tito, and touched upon various personal and staff-related matters, including the travel expenses and conduct of family members. The conversation concluded with Nixon deciding to postpone certain commitments due to health concerns and scheduling conflicts.

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NARA Description

On October 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:06 am to 9:25 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 599-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 599-005

Date: October 22, 1971
Time: 9:06 am - 9:25 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods.

      Salutations

The President left at 9:06 am.

The President re-entered at an unknown time after 9:06 am.

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     Rose Mary Woods’s health

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     The President’s schedule
          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo, Robert H. Abplanalp
               -Change in plans

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     The President’s schedule
          -Radio address
          -Camp David
          -Josip Broz Tito meeting
                -Possible site
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                      -Key Biscayne

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     The President’s schedule
          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
          -Robert H. Abplanalp

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     Tricia Nixon Cox and Julie Nixon Eisenhower
           -Expenses
                -Trips to Camp David
                -Edward R. F. Cox
                       -Dry cleaning
                       -Razors
                       -Unpaid
                              -Billing
                -Cost of plane trips
                       -First class
                -Trips requested by the President compared to private trips
                       -Billing
                -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                       -Florida

                       -Working

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     Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
          -Staff
                -Constance M. (Cornell) (“Connie”) Stuart
                     -The President’s opinion
                     -Negative impression on Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
                -Lucy A. Winchester
                     -Abilities
                     -Potential
                     -Liz Carpenter
                -Herbert G. Klein
                -Appearance

     The President’s schedule
          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
          -Robert H. Abplanalp

     Henry A. Kissinger's schedule
          -October 25, 1971

     The President’s schedule
          -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis

     Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s schedule

             -New York
             -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis

     The President’s schedule
          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
          -Robert H. Abplanalp

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Woods left at 9:25 am.

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Oh, my God.
How are you doing?
I tell you, I had asked B.B.
and Bob to come up tomorrow, but I don't think they'd better do it.
You know, I'm really not feeling like I want to do anything.
You know what I mean?
And so on and so forth.
You can tell I have confidence that I've got a virus.
It also occurs to me that it's not the nature of it.
You see, if I do a radio address and talk about veterans, it's very funny because I've got to work on that one.
I just like for them to come when I can't spend the day.
When you can spend a little bit of time with them would be better.
Yeah, but also I just, I feel that I probably ought to not have to see so much.
I think you ought to be able to go to sleep.
I may go to, well I have got plenty of sleep, but I think, you know, if I go to Camp David I'll just sit around and try to.
It should be beautiful.
It should be beautiful, I'm just saying.
And then it occurs to me that,
I don't know whether we're going to do it here or do it in the Cuba scan.
I'm just going to give you a scan after the T.O.
meeting.
Jump T.O.
Let's see if I can go there to 30.
30, 31.
See that?
But you don't feel quite safe.
Yeah, well.
He did a required thing, but it requires it from me.
I can't do it.

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I have to talk to you sometime about Trisha and Julie and, well, not Julie, Trisha mostly, and expensive, but when you have them in.
Well, they go to Camp David and have them by.
He brings his cleaning there, cleaning that has been backed up for a week.
And then there's no effort to pay this.
They've got to, he sends out the regulations.
A razor and all that stuff.
There's no excuse for that when I'm down here.
Well, those are the little things that I would just not bother with now.
I know.
I want to get into it now, and I'll get into it at a time when I think about it more.
In the meantime, you want me to go ahead and say it?
Oh, I don't know how to say it.
Don't get her into anything that she doesn't do.
You know, the thing is, I can't carry more arrogance than I do.
I know.
What I really want to know is, do you want me to have that bill in direct?
No.
Well, it costs you $200 every weekend for them to come down here, aside from the incident.
And I really think they ought to know.
But don't worry about it.
You're ready to start costing $50 each way for Ed and Patricia.
That's right.
And they come down here every weekend.
We charge a commercial rate, apparently.
at first class, but they have a whole plane to themselves, you know, and I guess you...
I said, $200 a week, and then when he sends out all of his dry things that they have to drive down to the next little town, bring all that back...
There are times, Stanley, when they come down at my request and you don't have
Well, like when Julie came out of Florida, or when Julie came out of Florida on the trip, I took her.
Julie was out to work.
She's working on a highway trip.
It was a trip, so...

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She's confident, but she's a tramp.
She's not really confident with other people.
She erodes some of the people the wrong way and gives the wrong impression of what she thinks it's like by being like that.
When I say she's confident, she's got it right inside of her.
Oh, she's got it right inside of her.
She's got it right inside of her.
Yes, but let me tell you that Lucy runs a nice dinner and Connie couldn't, wouldn't know at all about that.
Lucy couldn't know, but what I've had is I'm speaking for brains and talking to people.
I mean, Connie's just smart, but nevertheless.
She is smart.
Her only problem is that she's trying to stop Connie because she's looking for the future rather than the past.
Sure, she's talking to me.
That's the difference.
Because Lucy is a sweet, nice girl.
Lucy is dedicated.
She'd do anything for you.
And I like her, but I would say she couldn't run the whole show.
Oh, not at all.
Not at all.
She probably didn't.
She couldn't at all.
She doesn't have to be someone who's a little bit tough.
Liz Cochran is tough.
The other thing is that
It is, basically, it is not a woman's world, basically, as far as going in.
You can't.
They can't go in or they can't go around.
The other thing is, Pat doesn't have a good-looking group, either.
She has some good-looking, sharp girls.
She's a good-looking, pretty girl.
But she's got some pretty awful homies.
I don't know what that means, but some of them are pretty bad.
But it took today, but I'll be graduating.
Yeah, you say that I would like to put it off until next week.
Oh, another thing, Henry's getting back Monday, too, and I'll let her shoot that.
Okay.
And you're sure you want to do that next week when you can't hold up?
No, I just can't go up the holes.
I don't want to go up the holes.
I mean, that's okay to go out and run on the holidays, but no.
No, we're not going up the holes for the reason that Pat can't go up.
Pat can't.
That's really the main reason.
Pat says she's going to be in the yard for two days, and then won't want to be there Saturday.
So I'm not going to take her to hell.
But she did say she would go, and the whole thing was because of Tito.
And that's not planned at all.
I don't know.
All right, well, I'll just leave it that way.
But I'll feed him, okay?
He'll evolve then.
Well, just say that you can't do it this week.
Yeah.
We'll be in touch to see if we can make it up.
I think you ought to go up there.
There should be a view that we can ask.
We'll see.

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Conversation 599-005, October 22, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 417179235). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/599-005 (accessed November 2, 2026).