{"conversationCode":"599-005","tapeNumber":599,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-599-005","startDateTime":"1971-10-22T13:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-22T13:25:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Oct-1971","startTime":"9:06 AM","endDate":"22-Oct-1971","endTime":"9:25 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On October 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:06 am to 9:25 am. 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(President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"599-004","nextCode":"599-006","transcript":[{"start":0.66,"end":29.5,"text":"Oh, my God."},{"start":30.42,"end":55.79,"text":"How are you doing?"},{"start":63.94,"end":67.4,"text":"I tell you, I had asked B.B."},{"start":68.1,"end":73.49,"text":"and Bob to come up tomorrow, but I don't think they'd better do it."},{"start":73.51,"end":76.83,"text":"You know, I'm really not feeling like I want to do anything."},{"start":76.85,"end":77.43,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":77.45,"end":78.11,"text":"And so on and so forth."},{"start":78.13,"end":84.14,"text":"You can tell I have confidence that I've got a virus."},{"start":84.16,"end":85.2,"text":"It also occurs to me that it's not the nature of it."},{"start":85.22,"end":88.75,"text":"You see, if I do a radio address and talk about veterans, it's very funny because I've got to work on that one."},{"start":89.54,"end":98.27,"text":"I just like for them to come when I can't spend the day."},{"start":98.69,"end":104.68,"text":"When you can spend a little bit of time with them would be better."},{"start":104.7,"end":107.3,"text":"Yeah, but also I just, I feel that I probably ought to not have to see so much."},{"start":107.32,"end":110.06,"text":"I think you ought to be able to go to sleep."},{"start":110.08,"end":114.33,"text":"I may go to, well I have got plenty of sleep, but I think, you know, if I go to Camp David I'll just sit around and try to."},{"start":114.35,"end":115.09,"text":"It should be beautiful."},{"start":115.53,"end":116.45,"text":"It should be beautiful, I'm just saying."},{"start":116.47,"end":117.33,"text":"And then it occurs to me that,"},{"start":125.11,"end":141.88,"text":"I don't know whether we're going to do it here or do it in the Cuba scan."},{"start":141.9,"end":147.34,"text":"I'm just going to give you a scan after the T.O."},{"start":147.36,"end":147.52,"text":"meeting."},{"start":147.54,"end":147.72,"text":"Jump T.O."},{"start":154.32,"end":172.53,"text":"Let's see if I can go there to 30."},{"start":172.55,"end":173.43,"text":"30, 31."},{"start":173.45,"end":178.92,"text":"See that?"},{"start":178.94,"end":180.16,"text":"But you don't feel quite safe."},{"start":180.18,"end":180.9,"text":"Yeah, well."},{"start":181.2,"end":189.98,"text":"He did a required thing, but it requires it from me."},{"start":190,"end":191.55,"text":"I can't do it."},{"start":649.41,"end":661.53,"text":"I have to talk to you sometime about Trisha and Julie and, well, not Julie, Trisha mostly, and expensive, but when you have them in."},{"start":661.55,"end":664.2,"text":"Well, they go to Camp David and have them by."},{"start":665.42,"end":669.74,"text":"He brings his cleaning there, cleaning that has been backed up for a week."},{"start":670.8,"end":675.03,"text":"And then there's no effort to pay this."},{"start":675.05,"end":677.09,"text":"They've got to, he sends out the regulations."},{"start":677.33,"end":684.62,"text":"A razor and all that stuff."},{"start":684.64,"end":689.71,"text":"There's no excuse for that when I'm down here."},{"start":689.73,"end":695.94,"text":"Well, those are the little things that I would just not bother with now."},{"start":695.96,"end":696.1,"text":"I know."},{"start":696.12,"end":698.66,"text":"I want to get into it now, and I'll get into it at a time when I think about it more."},{"start":698.68,"end":700.02,"text":"In the meantime, you want me to go ahead and say it?"},{"start":700.04,"end":700.66,"text":"Oh, I don't know how to say it."},{"start":700.68,"end":701.65,"text":"Don't get her into anything that she doesn't do."},{"start":703.2,"end":710.03,"text":"You know, the thing is, I can't carry more arrogance than I do."},{"start":710.49,"end":711.31,"text":"I know."},{"start":711.33,"end":715.04,"text":"What I really want to know is, do you want me to have that bill in direct?"},{"start":715.28,"end":715.34,"text":"No."},{"start":715.36,"end":722.98,"text":"Well, it costs you $200 every weekend for them to come down here, aside from the incident."},{"start":723,"end":724.26,"text":"And I really think they ought to know."},{"start":727.02,"end":728.15,"text":"But don't worry about it."},{"start":728.19,"end":733.81,"text":"You're ready to start costing $50 each way for Ed and Patricia."},{"start":733.83,"end":734.17,"text":"That's right."},{"start":734.19,"end":735.27,"text":"And they come down here every weekend."},{"start":735.29,"end":738.06,"text":"We charge a commercial rate, apparently."},{"start":738.51,"end":748.53,"text":"at first class, but they have a whole plane to themselves, you know, and I guess you..."},{"start":748.65,"end":759.06,"text":"I said, $200 a week, and then when he sends out all of his dry things that they have to drive down to the next little town, bring all that back..."},{"start":759.08,"end":763.44,"text":"There are times, Stanley, when they come down at my request and you don't have"},{"start":763.95,"end":775.19,"text":"Well, like when Julie came out of Florida, or when Julie came out of Florida on the trip, I took her."},{"start":775.21,"end":776.11,"text":"Julie was out to work."},{"start":776.23,"end":781.92,"text":"She's working on a highway trip."},{"start":781.94,"end":782.34,"text":"It was a trip, so..."},{"start":1003.22,"end":1007.08,"text":"She's confident, but she's a tramp."},{"start":1007.2,"end":1008.73,"text":"She's not really confident with other people."},{"start":1008.83,"end":1017.44,"text":"She erodes some of the people the wrong way and gives the wrong impression of what she thinks it's like by being like that."},{"start":1018.28,"end":1020.21,"text":"When I say she's confident, she's got it right inside of her."},{"start":1020.23,"end":1020.99,"text":"Oh, she's got it right inside of her."},{"start":1021.01,"end":1022.69,"text":"She's got it right inside of her."},{"start":1022.96,"end":1031.42,"text":"Yes, but let me tell you that Lucy runs a nice dinner and Connie couldn't, wouldn't know at all about that."},{"start":1031.44,"end":1036.59,"text":"Lucy couldn't know, but what I've had is I'm speaking for brains and talking to people."},{"start":1036.61,"end":1038.89,"text":"I mean, Connie's just smart, but nevertheless."},{"start":1038.91,"end":1039.37,"text":"She is smart."},{"start":1039.43,"end":1042.86,"text":"Her only problem is that she's trying to stop Connie because she's looking for the future rather than the past."},{"start":1042.88,"end":1043.5,"text":"Sure, she's talking to me."},{"start":1043.48,"end":1047.56,"text":"That's the difference."},{"start":1047.96,"end":1049.97,"text":"Because Lucy is a sweet, nice girl."},{"start":1049.99,"end":1050.73,"text":"Lucy is dedicated."},{"start":1050.85,"end":1052.29,"text":"She'd do anything for you."},{"start":1052.73,"end":1056.81,"text":"And I like her, but I would say she couldn't run the whole show."},{"start":1056.87,"end":1058.22,"text":"Oh, not at all."},{"start":1058.96,"end":1059.38,"text":"Not at all."},{"start":1059.4,"end":1059.82,"text":"She probably didn't."},{"start":1059.84,"end":1063.08,"text":"She couldn't at all."},{"start":1063.3,"end":1066.04,"text":"She doesn't have to be someone who's a little bit tough."},{"start":1066.06,"end":1067.12,"text":"Liz Cochran is tough."},{"start":1072.05,"end":1099.14,"text":"The other thing is that"},{"start":1099.37,"end":1109.86,"text":"It is, basically, it is not a woman's world, basically, as far as going in."},{"start":1109.88,"end":1110.08,"text":"You can't."},{"start":1110.54,"end":1111.64,"text":"They can't go in or they can't go around."},{"start":1111.88,"end":1113.95,"text":"The other thing is, Pat doesn't have a good-looking group, either."},{"start":1113.97,"end":1117.69,"text":"She has some good-looking, sharp girls."},{"start":1117.71,"end":1120.21,"text":"She's a good-looking, pretty girl."},{"start":1120.23,"end":1123,"text":"But she's got some pretty awful homies."},{"start":1123.02,"end":1125.14,"text":"I don't know what that means, but some of them are pretty bad."},{"start":1125.98,"end":1129.69,"text":"But it took today, but I'll be graduating."},{"start":1129.71,"end":1136.48,"text":"Yeah, you say that I would like to put it off until next week."},{"start":1136.5,"end":1142.26,"text":"Oh, another thing, Henry's getting back Monday, too, and I'll let her shoot that."},{"start":1142.28,"end":1142.38,"text":"Okay."},{"start":1142.39,"end":1144.8,"text":"And you're sure you want to do that next week when you can't hold up?"},{"start":1145.13,"end":1155.99,"text":"No, I just can't go up the holes."},{"start":1156.57,"end":1158.19,"text":"I don't want to go up the holes."},{"start":1158.69,"end":1163.09,"text":"I mean, that's okay to go out and run on the holidays, but no."},{"start":1163.11,"end":1165.04,"text":"No, we're not going up the holes for the reason that Pat can't go up."},{"start":1165.06,"end":1165.26,"text":"Pat can't."},{"start":1165.28,"end":1166.06,"text":"That's really the main reason."},{"start":1166.08,"end":1168.96,"text":"Pat says she's going to be in the yard for two days, and then won't want to be there Saturday."},{"start":1168.98,"end":1169.72,"text":"So I'm not going to take her to hell."},{"start":1169.74,"end":1171.6,"text":"But she did say she would go, and the whole thing was because of Tito."},{"start":1171.62,"end":1172.22,"text":"And that's not planned at all."},{"start":1172.24,"end":1172.5,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":1173.11,"end":1175.01,"text":"All right, well, I'll just leave it that way."},{"start":1175.51,"end":1180.76,"text":"But I'll feed him, okay?"},{"start":1180.78,"end":1182.48,"text":"He'll evolve then."},{"start":1182.59,"end":1185.57,"text":"Well, just say that you can't do it this week."},{"start":1185.59,"end":1185.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1185.71,"end":1188.2,"text":"We'll be in 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