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Well, how are you?

Nice to see you again.

Ah, he's slowly down.

Why don't we sit over here at this time, so he's got a different picture of what we have to do.

Sit right here, and I'll sit over here, and I'll shoot across the desk.

All right, you distribute it to all of us.

Take them to the elevator.

No, I'm not going anywhere.

You're all scared.

Why don't you hand it to me around?

I wanted to meet your president, and I saw your vice president there, and we're always together.

That's why I was telling the vice president I had to keep telling him.

I told him we're always together, and maybe they know we are in the same place.

Yeah.

I really don't know how much they spent and how much they could afford and all that.

I remember I was with Jameson and all the big publications all over the world and Linda was beautiful.

firework.

I said, how I wish all the fireworks were as beautiful as this.

Fantastic.

And what was so great was that they were in one table together, and Peter's talking like

It's a friend.

One day... Outside?

Inside the room or outside the room?

Inside the room.

It was a guy who was turning in the mirror.

And they would have this game with cards and pots for in your drink and then touch your nose once and then...

It was like a game.

They were like children.

It was very convenient for Gordon, he was very one-sided, Heidi was very one-sided, people of different ideologies, different directions were there.

I thought that more than anything else, that was for me.

Good, good.

The Shah is a very impressive man.

He's a good man.

He's a good man, Jim.

He's got a good heart.

He had a good heart, and very dedicated.

And all, whether it be Shah or the others,

I don't know her.

I know his first wife, Soraya.

They're pretty girls.

I don't see that she's ready to be actresses.

It's very, very attractive.

But it's a pity that the presence of those pieces that come.

Because it's really something that's very interesting to me.

And the teacher knows that it's him.

Across you was another head of state, a head of state.

In the morning, the way he did it, he killed you with the other.

We drink black tea or coffee.

I don't know.

Tea.

Tea for that one.

And they would take pictures of one pen after the other, and they would say, they were like children.

And it was so difficult because before you know it, Mr. and Mrs. Kidd might have seen, or Mr. President was there, or Prime Minister, and they were like children, they did all sorts of things like that.

Because each pen was quite different from each other in colors, scheme, and design.

I've been to Iran several times.

And it's a beautiful city, isn't it?

Shah is one of my favorite people in the entire world.

He's done so much for his country.

Many people would have taken all that oil and just used it for themselves, but he spread it around.

He spread it around.

You were?

Two years ago?

Two years ago.

And here again, because we are moving, they're putting up a cultural association for Asians.

And I said, why don't you get, since you are so secretive, the people can get the weapons to eat.

There is so much hate in some sense, economic association, political association.

a diplomatic association, whether we have a cultural association, then there will be no conflict in ideology.

We will be just showing the more beautiful things in art, and there is really no conflict.

Provided he doesn't leave, there's so much hate now.

There's so much hate.

Well, tell me, how are things coming in your country?

That's what... Well, I came here last year, which caused a little furor in Manila.

In fact, the ambassador was quite apprehensive.

But as I was saying the last time, Mr. President, everything that we were foreseeing did happen.

Nobody will believe.

that there was a real threat in the Constitutional Convention, where they would change the Constitution to a different kind of Constitution, whether socialist or communist.

Nobody would believe.

Now, they have 140, we have 110.

And every time they pass a resolution, we always are on the lookout, we always stand, we always agree.

And the president, most of his time now, is trying to take this and take that.

And virtually, the communists are stepping up.

They are starting to have a little more strength.

And they feel that, of course, the pronouncement of you're going to Beijing somehow has caused a little energy and anxiety also in the Asian nation.

The President fully realized your stance.

Yeah, we'll be making sure, you know, we go with our eyes open.

Eyes open.

And with our friends in mind, very much.

The future of Asia is in creation.

We know that.

It's all the way around the perimeter.

We're all the way to Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Taiwan, and Korea and Japan.

So that's the three of us.

We know this.

We are very apprehensive.

In fact, before Iran, I was the guest of President Xi in India for a few days now.

And they were quite apprehensive.

She said she's coming in no time.

Yes, she's going to be here December.

Although, she's trying to align herself more or less with the Russians, for the simple reason that the communist Chinese are irritating them.

On their border.

On their border in Pakistan.

to teach you that.

That country is so poor and they want to, both countries, they want to quit fighting each other and start working on their problems.

They're terribly poor.

And you think, for example, I know you, you take it all in.

Some people say, well, you've got problems.

But India is just

Unbelievable, isn't it?

Because I went...

I went out to the village, because Indira Gandhi wanted me to see the rural identification.

Yes.

I know, I remember, yeah.

I went to see the rural identification.

Thank you.

Unbelievable.

And even if they do and they won't laugh, they will always... You've got your young people sometimes in the puddle games when they are beefing and tiring people, when your people will say, oh, what we're not doing well.

It's all relative.

Everything is relative.

Not that you're doing it.

Everybody wants to go up, up, up, up.

But at the time, you've got to realize you're making that way.

You're making that way every time I go to the puddle games.

It's all comparative.

You're better than you were, and it's got to be more better.

That's what we have to do.

The only problem now is that in so many happenings in the past few months, they have been trying to embarrass the president terribly by bombing, for instance, the meeting of the Liberal Party.

And of course, the first offence would be us.

All I suspect are the other words.

Of course, it was probably you.

It's like he came here, Democrat, and the first one was Republican.

And so there were so many people hurt.

And what is so funny is that sometimes our own friends in the embassy

In the U.S. Embassy, as I told them, you are here to perpetrate democracy, I said.

Why is it that you are here to socialize?

You are not here to socialize and be charming to these people who are trying to destroy democracy, I said.

Here is President Marcos very strong, trying his best to fight communism.

He has even written a book.

I think he sent a copy to you.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yes, right.

I don't know why they found the time.

Yes, because you see, the communists, they know exactly what they want.

And the problem with democracy is that there are so many things that you do not want also democracy.

It's a matter of choice.

Democracy is what communists have decided in advance.

And so I said, why is it that

what the critics of Marcos are doing, you're also mouthing.

And you are seeing more in the papers with our critics and our opponents and the cutlers of the communists.

I said, please let us know where we start, because we feel that we are out of order.

You know, I think the problem is that Manila is the worst.

It's like Washington.

Your Manila press is bad, and our Washington press is bad.

But our country is better, I think.

It is so good that there was a survey by a very respectable group about a few days ago, an Associated Press released it, if the people wanted the State of Israel to sit, and anybody in favor.

So you can see that while the Manila press was against

Americans, Americans, Americans, Americans, etc., etc.

See, when there was a survey in the rural area, they didn't want to be a state of the United States like Hawaii.

It is not a state.

We are not leaders, but basically, we, as you know, we feel very, very strongly about the success of the movement.

because of his administration.

First of all, he reelected.

He's got to succeed.

We want to help where we can.

I mean, we can always do everything, but we need to divide.

I don't have that.

I think we're doing fairly well with our developing problems.

We got it in the present time.

It's on the bread.

Yes, the bread.

Sure.

They should, first of all, the president would like to tell you that he wishes to thank you that you've been given extra powers upon sugar-coated.

And he wants to thank you.

I get that.

You get that, Mr. President.

The ambassador saw me.

We have no water.

If we lose our sugar, there's a lot of problems.

And another one, the president said, there are little things needed, especially if you pull out in a cycle.

And you don't pull out.

And the president said,

Please help us strengthen our military.

You mean strengthening whether it's internal security.

So that we can do it on like the sort of equipment that are like helicopters and

ammunition and guns and all that, because according to him, the ambassador has all these things, the requirements.

It's not so big, Mr. President.

All we want is that it will be strengthened, because the moment we know that, because the armed forces of the Philippines right now has never been in this type of condition as now.

They are good.

They're very good, because the president is being attentive to this, because he's an old man.

He's, of course, a military man.

He knows.

The old men want to protect us, and no interest in the fight with anyone.

But when you are helping us, let us fight our war, but please, will you help us with these things?

Well, I think the president, because his arm was wrecked, was a great inspiration to the armed services, because they all know he was the hero of war.

But he's very important.

Because our capabilities and our potentials in life are very cold.

Even the equipment, the surplus or whatever, the second-hand equipment in Vietnam, instead of bringing it back to the United States, you can be sure that you have a strong value.

I don't know what that situation is, but I'll ask Abe to check it with...

In fact, we are always called the running dog of the Americans.

But the President says it's movement.

And also, in some cases, the President wishes to let you know, Mr. President, that if you see something in the reports of your friends,

He said he is like this or like that.

You see, sometimes America wants us to act like puppets completely.

So we are used to know that some of the lower echelons, the presidents, they want us to be a weak president.

Anything you do, if you want to do it, you will do.

Let me tell you that I understand totally that it's very important for the President, well, after all, it's an independent country, and it's very important for him

and his public statements to, uh, get his own line.

Actually, one of the big issues, we should be together.

All the big issues, I mean, we are.

But we, I understand, totally, I understand, and I see those reports I'm writing on that paper.

We know who our friends are.

It's kind of the same with you and it's very different with the British.

We've got lots of problems with the British at the present time because, you know, we have problems with the rest and they have to take us around.

But we know the British are our friends.

And we know you are.

I was describing this to Keith about three days ago.

And he said, because he was saying, how do you feel?

But, just to show you that you are friends, it is exactly what he says.

You know, he wants us, he wants to know why we can ask for ambassador, how we can explain American position and American policy.

Meaning, to show that he, they are really your friends.

Sure, he's my friend.

They even get to explain things for you.

It is exactly the position of Franklin.

That's a very good point.

Because...

He's a good man.

And he says it.

Let me say one thing, and you can tell the president.

We know that this is interesting across the whole Asian theater.

And also, he has an interest in the Moscow trip.

And I don't see to it that through proper channels that he's thoroughly informed.

you know, about what we, in those matters, and what she has to do with this whole thing.

Because we, in talking to those who may be our opponents, we're not going to do it at the expense of our friends.

I think it's very important for the President, and if he ever has any questions,

a question where he thinks something is going to be, you know, is not very simple, just let us know.

We'll give you an honest answer.

But I quote everybody around here, and I have no illusions about which we're doing this, because I think it's looking to the future.

We can't run the risk.

We can't run the risk of having a billion people on Earth isolated from the rest of the world.

But we also know that there is a difference in ours.

We also know that our friends, like domains,

very important for us to put them first and lead them.

That's the way it's going to be.

Thank you.

We'll work with you.

We want to help you.

And we understand, too, that we mustn't do it, that you had a paradigm of public opinion.

Because that is exactly what I was telling some of your men in the end, is that you give us the option how to present to our people, whether it's this color or that color, because we know what their lives are.

So that you will always have a bridge between America and here.

And you can be sure that the President is really

It's very democratic.

That is why even Rodney Spursky said, the only thing that I do not like in communism, and there are some things, many things that I like in communism, and even the democratic thinking people in America are thinking this way too.

The only thing we do not like is just taking out the individual freedom and the initiative at the same time.

Because they're always talking of the commune, commune, commune, taking and later on they call it the class of society, but the class of society never comes and you have to come.

Would you like to, we have a very important group here, it's our wage transformation, I just saw it in the cabinet room.

Would you like to stop by a minute and just say, please, we'd like to have you there in the middle of the meeting.

But I told them, I led that meeting to come here to see you.

And I told them that you were here.

And you might just go ahead and might be a big pro.

And you could just say, this is what's going to happen.

And we won't sit down.

And I won't take you around the table and take you off.

There are about 30, 40 people in the camera.

You would welcome all the Philippines any time.

These are very important people, people that might help.

You have a letter from the president.

Come on.

I understand.

I don't want to lose the word, the word, the word.

I have a shame.

I got the letter and I'm totally aware of this problem.

You don't worry about me.

I'll allow this to come through.

We won't let the Congress win.

Would you sign our book?

This is your book.

Oh, this is your book.

Thank you very much.

You brought it with you.

Oh, yeah.

It's pretty virtual.

I can't wait to see it.

All right, good.

All right, bye.

What's the date?

The date is the 22nd, Mr. President.

The 22nd.

Mabuhay.

Is it A-Y or A-Y?

A-Y.

Thank you so much, everybody.

Yeah.

Now, you see, nobody else will have had it, as I know.

And that's it.

Would you like to get a pen?

Oh, thank you so much, Mark.

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And here's a little pen.

And then for one of the boys.

These are all pens.

And this is a pair of cups.

We give these to our boys.

Do you have aquas for the president?

I'll give you another one for one of the boys.

We'll go ahead and interview you for a minute.

I believe in your state.

I believe they've heard from you for a long time.

I have the support they know.

I'm just going to have you ask them.

You're going to turn around and talk, because I'm just going to stop by for one minute.

I need to know if you want to call them.

Yeah, I'm going to take you by.

I need to see you.

I'm going to bring you in.

This room.

I'll take that on.

Hey, Bob.

I'll take the conference.