On October 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, George H. W. Bush, William P. Rogers, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Ronald L. Ziegler, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:05 pm to 3:00 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 599-017 of the White House Tapes.
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Uh, one question.
Hey, do you want to, uh,
received, briefly, the governor's group back from the Soviet Union.
They have a greetings from Kostygin, Brezhnev, Gagarin, and the only purpose would be to signal to the Soviets that you got Kostygin's message.
It's, uh...
I have to do it.
You don't have to.
They get in tonight.
Oh, wow.
Eight of them, and you could see them tomorrow if you wanted to, but if you're in a candidate, it's later.
Oh, I don't see them.
That's not a bad idea.
I wouldn't deny any of that.
Warren Ernst is the leader of the delegation and has done a damn good job of putting up a positive line.
I'll see something terrible tomorrow.
They also were in Romania.
Good.
The question is whether you have to see the Vice President, whether you have to see him anywhere.
Go to Reagan at the end of his trip.
He wants to come.
No, I don't think he's going to raise it.
He won't raise it.
He's not here in Michigan, so if he wants to come back here, I guess he's got to do it.
Yeah.
I haven't seen him.
I haven't seen him.
Yeah, that's the kind of making-of stuff that probably is worthwhile anyway.
They'll play that on Sunday story.
Yeah.
The group that was there really cranked up.
I guess you can't.
watch every stinking damn thing.
I think, of watching the way I've got Schultz in there a little more, I mean, he's busy.
He's very cautious with his people, too.
Rumstove is getting back with Schultz on that, to try and pull him together a second.
But Rumstove's view is, now apparently he's playing some game where he wants another letter from you or something.
And Don is strongly recommending, unless we find out something more than we know now, that you should not be in a position to do it anymore.
We should be polite and open and all that, but he's playing some kind of a game.
We can't be publicly backing down.
I was going to say something, Steve.
Games.
That downstairs mess is good having room for people to watch.
I went down there.
Good God, you know, they're good.
Beams and so forth, and this very important group sitting in what looks like a top-man dungeon.
Oh, it's... we're fine with that.
Now, what I mean, there are beams in it.
Yeah, but they can't take them out.
That's what we want the White House out for.
I don't think they can come across to Lerner Hospital for lunch.
Oh, they do want some out, but this is for a working lunch kind of thing, I'm guessing.
It's a big deal to go to the White House Masses.
All right.
It should be an impressive year for Dan.
Yeah?
Maybe it's all right.
I don't know what you mean, but I just want to be sure to raise it so that it's not down.
I'm afraid this kind of stuff is just probably not going to work.
Barber eyes and arms.
Let's see if I can get it down.
I feel fine.
There's so many times when I wonder, like after that trip to the Grand Tetons, that boat ride in the morning, it was cold as hell out there.
Also, when you're working very, very hard.
When you're, like, in the car.
But I'm not cramping at all.
I'm not pushing particularly hard right now.
There's no reason to get it.
But one thing you have to realize is that you're always pushing.
You're pushing.
You sure are.
You make good use of these poles.
They used to say, we'll try.
Y'all should have heard us.
We know it's certainly overrated, because we had to screw it around with our numbers and everything.
But that was taken, as I mentioned, on the 11th.
Yeah, 8 to the 11th.
That was before the Soviets.
That was before a pretty good week, which we don't have often.
It was right after the economic announcement.
Sure.
Before it.
So we had to, they had to say, so we had to text them all over again.
And it worked.
I think you're going to be in a lot of the court.
I think so.
Mm-hmm.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
You care a lot?
Mm-hmm.
Partly because the media set you up for it.
Because they were such whapping around about how bad it was going to be, and then it turned out to be what they have to call so good.
You've got to put business people in it, you know, the intelligent people.
I think that thing last night made it... We've been all over the suburb, I mean, that's right.
The people think they're so goddamn smart.
Who believes in all the junk they read in the papers by the columnists.
That's right.
Or what Dan Rappert tells them.
kind of the opposition.
You think of that, not only just to all that, but there you were, you get 15 minutes of prime television time, free, free, go on.
You use it.
It was in no way, nobody can call that political in any way, shape, or form.
And yet it was enormously effective politically, because you got the chance to make a campaign speech on law and order.
The campaign speech on the importance of the courts, the campaign speech on the fact that I went to the bank, all the politicians, and the presentation of yourself in command began.
I mean, the act of appointing justices to the Supreme Court is...
I got a little stinker in there, too, as you noticed.
I said, except for his ability to
It would just be frustrating as hell.
You know, we had Muskie trying to figure out how he goes out and gets a crowd of 300 people, and has to unrank them, and then gets ripped apart for what he says because he makes one blunder in the speech.
Well, as we know, the power of the presidency is in our hands.
And that was why I had to speak to the little brother this morning, because by far the best kind of talk I've ever had in my life.
Not to say a goddamn thing about the Republican Party.
Oh, yeah.
I had mentioned the Republican Party, you know.
Uh, anyway...
The, uh...
The building process is certainly extremely, extremely hard, isn't it?
Yeah.
I guess each other just can't, can't do so much of the, do you think that's a part of it?
I don't think so.
I think it's all in slow process anyway.
But here at Rogers, that's what we're saying.
Yeah.
Hey, here.
Yes, sir.
Should I bring you all in or are you going to let us in?
No, I'm all in.
Well, I was going to say, I mean, you're just going to pull it off.
You're just going to pull it off.
You're just going to pull it off.
You're just going to pull it off.
You're just going to pull it off.
I agree I'll get a list here.
And, uh, I have a couple of thoughts as to where you've asked for calls.
So, do you want to start?
Well, I don't know.
I got this list, which was last week, and I got this list this weekend.
And then there may be a period of time that you wanted to watch this.
So let me tell you, uh, this time, I'll let you see something.
He's got that matter.
It's a message.
Let me start by saying I think at the moment we're probably a little behind.
I think that George and I have done everything that's possible to think of to do.
That's what I've done.
But I always change the conclusion.
Now, there...
It's very close.
And what happens in the next couple of days is going to determine the outcome.
The next two days.
It looks now that the vote will be Tuesday morning.
George is going to make an effort when he gets back to be sure that that's the case, as much as you can be sure of anything in the UN.
It's possible that it would come late Monday, but the probability is that it will be Tuesday morning.
The important question,
which will be the second vote, is the important vote.
The first question will be a priority.
We have to get priority for the important question to be considered.
I think we'll win that.
At the moment, my only judgment is we're a voter too behind.
I just sent out telegrams to get all our ambassadors to go to the governments and get the governments to tell us, even if they're going to vote against us, how they're going to vote so we can get a head count.
What everyone does is hesitates to say because it's embarrassing to them if they're going to be against us.
The result is we have still very uncertain
area that we can't show.
And then double crosses when they get up there.
They either don't get to the boat or they get lost in traffic or something.
So we've got all kinds of preparations that we're making to guard against that.
We've got parliamentary maneuvers that we're going to work on.
We've got a whole team that's going to be on the floor to try to guard against this type of thing.
We figured out how we can get some delay in case a guy is missing and that sort of thing.
But having said all those things, I still think probably not a little bit fine.
There are two problems now that are going to face us today, tomorrow.
One, when the Chinese ambassador came in to see me about it this morning and asked me what the president was going to do, there's a feeling that because there hasn't been a statement by you or anything out of the White House that's gotten any attention,
that there is a division between the State Department and the White House, and George and I are working one side of the street, and the White House, of course, is working the other side of the street.
So I think a statement of some kind in the form that you prepared to make today to say murder or some other way.
What happened to that statement?
How would you get it out?
No, it wasn't anybody's fault.
Ah, easy.
I talked to Ron about it.
It didn't work, partly because... Nobody asked the question.
Nobody asked the question.
He didn't want to plan it because it was the day the congressman was down here and you had the Supreme Court appointments and so forth.
So I think today is the day to do it.
All right.
Do it today.
Okay, now.
Sorry, I think it's too late.
For what?
I think it would be a good idea if you could have him say that you met with George Lee and that
The President wants to say that he had full support of the effort, that the position of the Secretary of the Ambassador's Department represents his position completely, and that the report we got was encouraging.
The report that you got was encouraging.
I think you've almost got to say that.
Well, it wasn't anybody's fault.
Everyone was in it.
You made two rooms in, sir.
All right, well, this is bad.
I can report to you that the secretary is back.
I don't know whether there's been any advance in that picture to highlight.
Will he get a plan if he doesn't that way?
I think it's important that
That's true.
How about if we don't shoot him, we have to tell him the problem.
He's going to be the one to throw it to you.
No question about what we're doing.
Well, could I say, I don't know about that.
As long as we, before we get him out, let me say, because this is a very good place to, what we expect will happen is that as soon as Henry leaves, at some appropriate time, Joe and I will probably do the same thing.
You probably say that the position remains the same.
Right.
In other words, I'm sure they're going to play to all it's worth.
Henry this morning in a message said it's just his own personal assessment is that they don't want to get into the U.N. this year.
What would you say to the pilot that everybody knows they're here?
What about it?
You got the doctors around?
I don't know if they are now or not.
Well, God damn it.
Well, if we can get it back.
Well, that's not the point.
They don't have to do it at this moment because we'll be here until about five minutes.
We've got to get it out soon.
Okay.
That'll give you a focus on your two lines to get out of the story.
Or would it be better for Bill to go out and talk to the press on it and do it?
No, but he's made his statement.
I don't want to make a look at it.
Yeah, I think it's kind of the White House saying, okay.
At the conclusion of the picture, you can say it first.
It was Secretary, Ambassador Bush, who made it more important to press on the Chinese representation situation.
It is very close, but we are encouraged
the President's courage in the progress that's being made, and that the President is doing, say, the President is in full support.
He commended them for the very strong effort that they have been making, the very effective work they've been doing.
I think so.
I think that, Mr. President,
A lot of it's been laid to rest by the work the Secretary did up there, and a lot of it's been laid to rest by the, just the diplomatic effort.
And it's still, a lot of it's been perpetuated by those that don't like us so much.
Well, I've seen, I've seen some, I've seen some stories saying that we're already putting some ironclad impression, and that's fine.
I'm all for it.
God, that level, we are ironclad.
Can I tell you, General Romney, a lot of his comments, it's a little bit... Well, it's an important picture, Rob, but it's a good way to set it up, to have...
to have, maybe, over here, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,
What do you want?
I don't know, I'd be standing over here.
I'd have to give it, it'd be something different.
And with a, you have a paper in your hand, and we're just, it's sort of like, you know, you're in the tree.
Okay, we want to, we try to, you see that we try to get something so that this is the same, or they don't use it.
I don't know.
Why don't we be standing?
They're just too miserable to go outside.
The light doesn't matter.
As a matter of fact, this is a better light.
I don't mind.
The other point is Henry's return.
Because he gets back, I guess, my lesson before the boat, and the Chinese ambassador said, what's the Syracuse going to say about it?
Unless you want him to say something.
I mean, he can't, he's not attending the same, he's getting back to see Monday for the holiday.
Is that right how it contributes?
Well, he hasn't said a word yet.
Did they hear you?
Oh no, but I, well, either I should say nothing or say something helpful.
Here again, I don't know if you saw the article this morning in the Post, and it obviously turned me on helpful, but there is a good deal of that kind of talk, as you saw with Malachi, may I show you that?
Yeah.
I don't think you can answer it.
At one point, George had a statement in his speech that Dr. Kissinger's trip was not related in any way to the question of gender representation.
I took it out because I have a feeling that you can't answer it in a sound way.
It doesn't fit with the sound.
Also, it sounds untrue.
It actually isn't.
I mean, as you noticed in the first conversation for Chinese representation questions, it's disgusting.
I don't really think of it that way.
Would you agree at all with the way you read it?
Mr. President, the only thing is that when he does come back, I thoroughly expect, and maybe this will not happen, but that the Peking will have, through the Albanians, or maybe more directly some speech saying nothing's changed.
And that's the only thing we need to forestall, because some have, the question mark has been raised by the Russians, by others, why haven't Peking said anything lately?
And it's helped us a little bit.
And I think we've...
If that's it, do you think it's going to hurt the boat?
Because, God, if it stayed worse, it's going to stop on its way back to Hawaii or Alaska.
There's going to be all kinds of speculation.
What happened?
What was the report?
Who got to seek when he landed?
Everybody's speculating.
Why?
I think, look, we just aren't going to run the risk out of having his, the data's return in any way effective, because it shouldn't affect it at all.
I think he should just delay it.
What's the harm in that?
Well, if I get any delayed anchorage, it'd be worse than... No, I don't need an anchorage.
Can't you stay there?
There's no anchorage.
Sure, can you stay there?
Where's the stop for the...
There it is, you know.
Straight from China today.
How could he go there yet?
Could he go another way?
He had to do something else on the way back.
I think so, sir.
I'd like to turn it down to the artillery.
I don't know how that happened.
We could always change it.
I could ask you to go to Iran or, you know, go search for that figure.
But there's no reason for it.
I can see the point.
Today is bad.
Could be a story.
We don't want a story.
We want this vote.
Do the best we can.
It's very tough.
The thing that occurs to me, Mr. President, is I don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference, probably.
People, if we lose it, then your conservative friends are going to say, why the hell did the White House get back on the same day the vote?
That's the point.
This is the point of the audit this morning.
He said, why didn't you take the trip very well?
That's a key point.
It didn't even delay a week or two.
That's a problem, but it's also, you're going to get more attention.
if we deviate from what has been announced as his... People are then most suspecting, what the hell is this all about?
Has he been diverted because of the movement?
Or why has he been diverted?
Well, he did, but he kept it open-ended as to his time of return.
He kept it...
he told him that he was going to come back to me and thank me i got an idea but why don't you say that uh because of personal plans that uh i would uh i would like to be away on monday and i would prefer that he would that he would delay his arrival on tuesday because i would like to see him when he first returns
It'd be way Tuesday like St. Wednesday.
No, no, he's arriving Monday night.
The vote won't be on Tuesday, Mr. President, probably.
What do you want?
See, I'm not so worried, this is my own personal judgment, as to the return so much as to the fact that if we remain clear that they're not lengthened, if he doesn't say anything about it, Secretary, I wonder whether it really would hurt.
Well, as the President said, I don't think he could say anything, really.
The best thing he could do is have a say in it.
But it'll make a story, and the story will all be speculative.
And the stories will be... Well, let me ask you this.
You wouldn't mind if you arrived?
Well, sir, it's hard to pin it down exactly, but if I had to guess right now, we'd say Tuesday.
Probably Tuesday morning.
right now, and that's flexible.
Why don't we just have him delayed for Tuesday afternoon?
There's no response.
It's his open-ended.
He could report to you.
I'd prefer if you could just, so he can handle it with the Chinese.
He's got nothing to do with Tuesday afternoon.
He's probably got a hell of a lot of things Tuesday afternoon.
He's probably got a hell of a lot of things, you know, the wrap-up.
It's open-ended, that's true.
The arrival is not been announced.
Why didn't he go there and sit there?
That wouldn't be a bad idea.
I wonder, as a matter of fact, why he can't go there.
Why is it a bad idea for him to stay there?
My concern there would be why.
People would wonder.
Well, it just didn't feel too well.
Well, didn't, didn't he stop on the way out and go out on a couple of days?
I didn't, I didn't, I didn't think about it.
It's not a long way.
He just takes it.
He doesn't have to feel it.
He's bound to.
As he announced that he will stop an actor, he doesn't have any press loading, for example.
He has only his own staff.
So he arrives an actor.
He spends, spends the night.
Then he returns and comes to Washington.
on Tuesday afternoon.
I think there isn't any reason why you shouldn't just arrive that day late so that they don't have the argument.
I don't think it's going to affect it one bit, I agree.
But I don't want anybody to have the argument about Kissinger arriving the day before and then the next day, wham, we got kicked out of the United Nations.
See, it's a bad story.
I'd rather have them arrive right after we kicked them out if they're kicked out.
Maybe they won't be.
Why don't we offer the option of
Arriving a day later, if he can do it, if he can reach it and pay Cain's time there, that would be perfect.
But if he can't, then... Tell him that my schedule is such that Monday is a very bad day that I may have to be out of Washington on Monday.
I prefer for him to arrive Tuesday afternoon, 24 hours later, when I can see him.
Could you set a wire along those lines for him?
And let them work it out, and you'll find a way.
And I don't think it's going to be much of a problem.
I mean, even staying in Anchorage, it's a hell of a long flight.
Yeah, you should stay there.
Plus, Bill, I don't think anybody's got any problem with it.
As I say, you stop twice on the way out, so stopping once on the way back, overnight wouldn't cause a problem.
It's a nice place.
I have another thought.
How about that?
That makes more sense.
Oh, they would.
And then he might be at a community festival.
In fact, never.
Never.
He won't talk to them.
I know that.
I'm afraid the story will be the same.
I think Anchorage is all right.
I think once you get it in the United States, then... You think, in other words, it wouldn't be as much... Anchorage seems to be out of the country more.
Yeah.
Hello there.
It's just as I say, I don't think he stopped for quite long on the way out.
He needed to rest.
I'm coming back.
He needs one day.
I agree.
One day.
He was just going to refuel and then he said, come on.
He should have spent the night.
Just ask him to see.
Delay his arrival so I can see him.
Tuesday rather than Monday.
So that he doesn't rival me.
The eve, the very eve of the U.N. vote is not the best time to arrive.
That makes sense.
They should arrive here later on Tuesday.
Late Tuesday, yeah.
That would give us a little few more hours, Lee.
Just say that I'd like to see them at Smith Rock.
When was that?
Five o'clock.
Five in the afternoon.
Why don't you just say, well...
you know maybe it would it may require it might work that way anyways maybe be natural because we don't know what the hell they're saying now let me tell you don't scroll around what the irish say here
and forget what planning has said about the airline.
If they want the airline together, they get the votes.
Now, how can we get the word?
I'll call John Moore.
All right, you call John Moore.
I personally will guarantee the links they get the vote.
We work the airline thing out.
Okay.
If we get the vote.
But it's cold turkey.
Okay.
If we don't get the vote, it's too bad.
Israel, we've got Argentina.
Put on the name of God as a man with Argentina.
Is there anything we can do there?
Well, somebody suggested that I don't know if you know this.
I think the thing that would bring it around would be if you called the president of the West, he didn't know whether you wanted to do that or not.
Call or talk.
They maintain they have not made a decision.
They're fencing around.
Our South American friends are putting pressure on them, but they're just playing a very difficult game.
Why wouldn't it be better if I just called Lodge and say, and then he said, I just had a telephone call from the president, and he's asking me to personally come over to see him.
Because this guy doesn't speak English.
That's the third thing.
That's a very different thing.
Okay, I've been an idiot a lot.
I don't know if you remember.
Excuse me for throwing it around.
That's what it was.
Ecuador outweighed in with their minister up here who is running.
The problem there is that he's been given discretion.
He wants to be president of the General Assembly.
We've put the full arm on him.
Costa Rica's hit him hard, and there's still a chance to get him from a very unhelpful position back to an abstention.
Could we just... Well, if we could, he, in my talk with him, he brought up the fishing run, the tuna...
thing as a thing that he was objecting to.
And of course, then he threw in the search art, but he was escaping.
I mean, he was- Well, all right, we'll work with you.
It's just a cold turkey.
There's not going to be any fooling around.
The country should vote against it.
Is he still there?
The foreign minister is still there?
No, sir.
You've got Venezuela on the island, shouldn't you?
Yes, the dependence of Panama and Venezuela came after we had that little... Now what about Mexico?
Oh, God damn it.
We've done everything.
They're going to let me know tomorrow.
And if we don't get them, then I think maybe you should call the president of Mexico.
We can put it...
turn around the phone, and he'll level down to you.
He's under, it's his damn foreign minister.
Who is the ambassador there?
Well, his ambassador is a nice fellow, but he doesn't carry any art.
about my calling for a bragging call.
I'm not going to do a lot.
I'm wondering if there's a way to see it.
Let us wait until tomorrow to get a call, because it might be that that call, and I'm sure it's a very good one, would agree that you called it.
It's a matter of personal.
I mean, it leaves a list.
I can borrow one of the three billion others.
And the way I could do that is to say that I did it.
You haven't begun to explore any of that big Latin American media.
We can bring that into the deal.
I don't think so.
I think if you just call them, that's all right.
You see, I can call.
I don't think calling on the phone would...
But I think I could call Brian on the phone and get Brian on the phone and say, would you please come in and see us?
Do you think, like, you'll bring Alan?
That's a good idea.
Well, we have to send him a message.
I think that's the message.
Yeah.
So it'll be a...
I think the only thing to bring him around would be to put some kind words.
But let me hold that until tomorrow.
I'll put it this way.
Why don't you say to him,
But he doesn't, I mean, but would it, if it would be helpful, I mean, he feels, John, the president feels very close to you.
How about that?
That's good.
And he wouldn't want to call you if he was going to embarrass you.
But he was very close, and he thinks that on this critical vote that we are so close now.
together that it would be greatly misinterpreted in the united states among the people of one of your friends in mexico he feels this is so close that we that he would like to call you so that we could have that kind of communication that means a great deal to the president how about that that's good now online did we send an oral note to the rbg when the telephone calls don't help oh yes i think so
At least 30 of them.
Get them out of bed.
Mexico is bad.
Peru.
I don't think there's much sense in it.
I don't think I'd waste a call on Peru.
Really?
We might be able to just... We've done some life before that by now, haven't we, recently?
Yes, sir.
Colin did something to me.
Or was it something to some loaner's?
Well, we've been dating.
Well, my relationship with her got a little better, but I...
I hate to have to call people, because I think they might leak it.
I think they'd leak it, and I think...
I mean, I wouldn't put your... We wouldn't do any good because of the loan situation.
I don't want...
I think that would hurt.
All right, before we both, and they'd leak it, I'm going to ask...
These are the ones I was reading here, but what the hell is the matter with the steel ground people?
God, they should be familiar with the United Nations.
We kind of think that we may be able to get them.
You got Greece, sir, didn't you?
Yes, sir.
You got Turkey?
No, sir.
No, sir.
All right.
I don't know why Ted Acker didn't do a better job.
He didn't do a good job.
He didn't air it around on those people.
He didn't put the pressure on them.
Does that mean...
the problem on island mr president is that they've so positioned themselves so firmly on something like argentine mexico italy and morocco they haven't they've left it i mean they're still around
Don't you think, Secretary?
I don't want you to call anybody to be rebutted right now.
Britain, Canada, those fellows are all on a record so firmly that it's...
We may have Turkey in the final analysis, you'll have to, but I think maybe they'll come around.
Turkey's flexible.
Turkey still has it.
Well, Turkey should be gotten out.
We give aid to Turkey, and the people that vote for aid to Turkey are the same ones that want Taiwan and the United Nations.
Putting them on the list is possible.
Turkey will send an oral vote to them, yeah?
Yes.
I mean, how are we?
Are we ever going to win?
and that was a possibility for a call.
Turkey, Italy, Morocco, Mexico, and Argentina.
If we could get three out of four dollars.
Would you give a little thought to what it's like going out there Sunday night and Monday?
It would be helpful or hurtful.
I will, sir.
We can get some thought into that.
I have a little press conference when I get off.
Italy?
Italy?
Yeah.
Italy, sir.
I should have done it.
No, no, no.
No, no.
That's a good call.
Tomorrow.
Do you remember?
Yes, sir.
It was there.
Yes.
That's our government this night.
When I got the word in, I said, why?
I said, why?
A lot of our best is gonna help get you out there.
It's been Marcus and Ace.
And the thing we've got going for us is Saragat and the head of their General Assembly delegation is a minister named Lupus.
He's a politician.
He came to see us behind the back of his ambassador.
He said, I want to vote for you.
It's going to be a political decision.
If you put it this way to them, every time you could use the argument, George, and they came over there, that would be a terrible thing to say.
I can feel that it's...
that it would be very unfortunate for Italy and the United States, who have been together on everything in Europe, we arose here, and we consider Denmark closely the people who have opened us more often than anybody else for us to divide on this issue.
It's quite true.
We have made every conceivable argument.
The only thing I think that will make a difference now would be a call to Peter Colombo.
It's that close.
Senator really wants to do it.
I don't mind calling it.
That would be the most helpful, sir, because the local fellow in New York is against us.
The head of the delegation wants desperately to support us, and it's at a very critical stage.
In fact, that's going to be a political decision made within the next few hours.
If we could get Italy, I think we could win.
I think Italy is a very key vote.
Well, what about the idea of calling them?
Are you afraid of a rebound there?
No.
Well, Reebok, I don't think Colombo, they'll leave a vote with us if we don't keep quiet.
He wouldn't want to have it said that you called him and he voted against us.
I mean, they are very sensitive.
As our ambassador says, there's no amount of arm-twisting that could be harmful.
He says the more pressure you put on them, the better the chance.
Yeah, but Colombo would have called a signal on this.
I think so.
What do you think of that?
I'll call it glow.
I think that's a safe bet, sir.
They understand that kind of thing.
All right.
I'll call it.
Okay.
It's not a good time.
It's not a good time.
It's not a good time.
It's not a good time.
The beautiful thing about Italy is they're not really positioned on this thing, and they're not, they don't have the public to eat something like the British would or the Canadians now.
I've got Moro and Nenni against us, and Moro's running for president.
Saragat and Palumbo are for us.
The head of the delegation is for us, but the ambassador, the permanent head of the United Nations is against us.
This fellow here, I think, is a little against us.
I think I can tell you what you can anticipate in his comments.
He said, how can you ask us to do more than the Netherlands who abstain?
In other words, everybody else, all our NATO people are against you, and here we're, you know, if we abstain, we'll be helping you.
So, but we've got to get him from an abstain to a yes.
He may try to buy off and say, well, a great pressure will go from no to abstain.
I mean, this is what I would look for them to do in a conversation.
We need a yes.
We need a yes.
What are they having a meeting on this?
Well, he told me that he said the decision would be made very soon.
I said, what, 24 hours?
Well, 24, 48 hours.
But then the next day or two, he qualified it a little bit.
But this was yesterday night when I talked to him.
So the time is somewhat... That could be a key call.
I'm just thinking right now as to what is...
Do you have your, uh, do you have an Italian translator over here?
We have to do it.
Do you have an Italian translator?
Well, we can call Draymond.
I'd be happy to make arrangements over there to have a translation.
Thank you.
What we could do is we could say that the President wanted to call the Prime Minister to have Michael set it up.
Are we going to do that rather than just to hit them?
Yeah, exactly.
Why don't I get a picture of what's going on?
I just need to get that out there.
Well, you get it, Captain, or Mark, and you can't get it wrong before Secretary Rodgers got away with it.
I know him.
I don't know him.
Yeah, I know him pretty well.
How many?
I don't know.
I don't know what to bring.
Is it called to him?
Yeah, I don't think you can really make it called to him.
There's one easy one here.
No issue at all is to go to those black bachelors.
I mean none.
That's pretty.
If I got laid off when I get picked, I don't know what the hell's the matter with them.
They shouldn't even be, we shouldn't even be.
We need them, let alone for a tax, for a vote.
I'm well aware that as the federal representative, it's caused me trouble.
The concrete works we have done by Theresa May have been quite a great impression on me.
We'll be ready.
Yeah.
But really, there isn't any question out here.
I don't know who wants to tell them that, but there is none of these.
No more aid.
None.
Whatever.
Give the Irish the airline.
We're working out.
I don't want that.
That had to be done too quickly.
But I'll work out the airline thing with the Irish for the moment.
Okay.
Now, I'm done.
Bill, on that one.
I wonder if Pat's going to go over there or something.
I think that there, he wants to come to the United States.
I will be glad to see him, but if he doesn't go with us, I will not see him.
But you could say that the President would be glad to welcome you, but it would be very embarrassing if you voted against some decision.
Could you get it out to them?
Of course I'll say this.
Now there was another one here.
They said they hadn't seen.
Uganda.
Well, I've seen somebody from Uganda.
I don't know who the hell it was.
I know it's a good point.
Voting only one percent.
But I saw that some back from Uganda.
Who was it that we had in here?
Al?
Uh, you know, when I mentioned him, Ted Lee and the rest of us, he'd be ambassador.
I'm sure he was the ambassador for the military service.
But he wanted to find more here for me.
He said he'll get his boat, we'll go and I'll see him.
I love you, I love you.
Take care of that.
I'll see you when I get back.
Now, Austrian?
No chance.
Very nice of you, son.
They slipped off the thing, too, and they were right.
I just don't understand.
Well, if we don't get it, we'll have to.
But now, listen, they just say, there's no sense at all.
People that are supporting Lowe, O.J.
and our Congress will cut it off.
They want to cut it off anyway.
I'm fighting it every bit of the time.
And the Somaliland bill's got to be pulled out of that.
They're going to get it next week.
You sound very strong.
It will be impossible.
I want you to put the message in a different way.
It will be very difficult.
The President believes it will be impossible, virtually impossible, to get the ocean aid through the Congress.
It's very difficult to support it.
That's the line I used on the Maltese.
I did talk to the Maltese ambassador, who's a very nice man.
I've done a thought here that might be helpful.
Al, I think you might agree with this.
We've got to make a stop going over to Mauritius.
And we don't need one coming back.
You know what I mean?
It's going to be a vigilant thing.
On the way over, this is part of the irony.
I want you to tell the ladies and gentlemen, this is the greatest of times.
We'll plan to stop and spend the night in our home so that we can get our headband on.
down that creek.
But we'll see that.
But the other thing, on the way back, rather than getting the European country to be back, Malta would be a perfect place to stop.
Now, how about throwing that into the bottom of Malta?
I mean, that probably shouldn't be a country either.
But there's only 250,000 people in the whole land place.
But the little Maltese ambassador, when I spoke to him, and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
But he seemed to agree at this point.
They've got it backwards.
They're going to vote for the dual representation.
That's crazy.
I know.
He said they're going to vote against the Albanian resolution.
They're going to vote against you on that.
But I said, this is the question.
What can we do on this?
Is there anything we can do on Malta?
How about that as a possibility?
I mean, it's a small thing, but it might mean a hell of a lot.
The British are going to have a convulsion.
That's the word for it.
We haven't got a clear guess at all.
Malta tells us they're going to vote for our dual representation, but against the important question.
Tell me that I'm not going to play a cool game with them.
I'd like for you to call the ambassador and tell you that I just want you to know I'm an ambassador for the president.
very much was very much appreciated for the brief chat that he presented through credentials, and said he thought you would give a good hearing on this question.
The President, naturally, could not be in a position to tell you how strongly he felt, but he feels it's a turn for our future relationships, and we wish that you would convey this to his government.
Thank you.
I'd love to do that.
You'd do that at all times.
A lot of stuff.
I'm hoping that a lot of stuff.
Any others that we can... Ecuador, the door is open, and we just didn't...
I got your message on the tuna thing involved.
Sure, we'll make a deal.
You can say, look, if I go, that I personally will... Oh, Mr. Pinchcliffe?
Yes, Mr.
Bond.
Tell him that I'd like to, that I want to have the secretary and I've asked Mr. Pinchcliffe to discuss the tuna matter, that we can do this matter with him, and that we're going to try to work on something.
It would be a bad, long, cold day if they don't vote with us.
I have a good opening to do that.
Okay, we can do that.
Yes, sir.
Just why don't you sit in between the big deal that you were talking about, Secretary, and he's asking the first president, I mean, the Council of Education will have a special message to him on this very subject.
You can look at any of that paper right now in the exhibition this year.
Yeah, all I've got are papers.
That's right, where we have licensees.
Now, let's get back to what I did.
I called Lodge, apparently in the sack.
I called Fred Martin.
He's out for a long Italian dinner.
What else have we got?
You suggest that I call the King of Morocco, or not?
How would you know?
I know him pretty well, really.
He wrote all of it.
Well, Jesus, if he could lay it on the line, you could tell him, you know, eventually this may be the deciding vote, and we'll appreciate it very much if you could vote with us.
You may take out.
That doesn't make any more of it.
I'll give him a call.
No, it doesn't bother me, sir.
I just don't know where he'd go.
Well, he'd do it if he could.
They're not positioned publicly, Al.
They're precluded.
I mean, they're not.
We're trying to stay away from one another.
Well, I can just call him and tell him they very much appreciate this vote.
All right, I'll call him and take him to Morocco.
Can I go?
I'm coming.
You know, calling in the middle of the dinner is a good idea.
That's what I'm a little concerned about, calling in the prison.
That's why Martin must check.
All right.
Al, when you get back, you tell the Moroccan ambassador to check to see what the behaviors of the people who were called tonight, and if not, what time tomorrow, so you know, I'll make the call first thing in the morning.
Fair enough.
And I want a place to call from.
Now, who else would have called?
We would do well.
No, sir.
The ones we had were Argentina, which we're taking care of.
Mexico, we're going to take.
And maybe I should.
I don't know.
He's a hell of a nice fella, Dave Scott.
He really thinks highly of you.
He's the best president they've ever had.
He's a hell of a nice fella.
He listened carefully up there.
His ministers were against us, and he's on the fence.
Well, can you work out a deal for a call there?
I mean, could we do that tomorrow?
Well, sure.
You see, the time problem here, we've got...
Incidentally, Mr. President, the Japanese have really worked up there.
From a close start, they've got a lot of lance.
They've done this, and they've really got a lot of sense.
Well, Echeverria, the hour, we'll do Echeverria until we get to Morocco.
Yes, sir.
It would be helpful just to run down the ones we covered here, how we're going to hand this over.
Turkey, the state's going to continue, not against the president.
Morocco, the president will call.
Ecuador, I'll talk to the ambassador.
Ireland, the department will make this link.
The airline is the price.
Of Botswana, we have to get the message, the same thing on the aid in Ghana, the message that the President would be unhappy about and make difficult to see.
Also, with Ghana, making it difficult for Black students, and also without the President, it's very close to the people of Ghana, which is the first country in America to be ever visited.
He's looking forward to Mrs. Nixon's visit there, too.
He just thinks it would be very odd that when they have so many friends in the United States, that we ought to be together in a decision.
I don't know if that affects them or not.
Oh, yeah.
Give him a little of that, okay?
And will you go, too?
Yeah.
Okay.
Italy, a call from the President.
Uganda.
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no chance.
Argentina, the last call.
Laos, make clear.
If we don't get it, then we'll make it to whole Turkey.
Whole Turkey there.
Malta, suggestion to the staffing office.
How are you?
You just call me.
I'll call you faster.
I'll have you.
I'll have you speak English.
Yeah, I know.
I'll have you in a second.
Secretary, stay calm.
Don't say it's very close.
Say it out loud.
Say it out loud.
The interesting change is public opinion.
Public opinion had us getting the hell beat out of us, and suddenly it has us kind of on the winning side.
It moved ahead now where we actually feel it is.
So you can let your sister say a few minutes.
Mr. President, this is David from Romulus.
It's real private.
He says, what's this I hear about you twisting arms?
I say, well, Mr. President.
He said, this is important.
He said, look, it may be you.
If you ever start this business by a certain majority,
You want to
All right, I want you to call me.