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Now about what they have to do.

I did a survey this week and I told you all the people were all worried about the age of it.

No, it really wasn't that time.

It was very interesting.

The phase two thing is fatal.

Just keep going.

The cash reserves that the institutions have, the mutual fund redemption, all the building tax orders were concerned over liquidity, tight money.

They all predicted it would go up.

They all were in confidence.

Sandman of, uh, of, uh, New Jersey.

It's very hard to move.

Oh, they're all looking.

Look, uh, on these suckers, I just want to see them with hay that I want now.

They don't have, I suppose they've got...

They got a lot of aides with them or anything, you know?

I don't believe the aides are coming.

They're not coming anyway.

Yeah, what's the plan, sir?

I don't know.

I just see them in here, and that way they just have to be here.

But don't, uh, I don't want to, I don't want to have that.

I can't have 30 people in here.

I can have the governors, and, uh, they can sit in, and that's all.

All right.

Unless they, unless they have some State Department jackass with them, have some, I don't know, ladies.

Do you want a couple of those poets like Love and Milliken to sign it into the press afterwards?

Oh, they will.

I've written up some things that I'd like Love to say about your leadership in the world and the change it's made and the era of negotiation that's coming and how well it's been received.

I thought I might get Love after this is over and take him through and let him talk to some of the press.

See if we can't get a good, he's a good upbeat, strong guy.

Perhaps Millican's rhythm is also good.

a little bit pluggy at times.

Can't see.

Yeah.

Well, try it.

That's fine.

All right.

That's fine.

I gave you a wrong figure on the audience that saw your speech Thursday night.

Turns out it was 25 million families and 46 million viewers.

It was higher than I thought.

The latest rating came through very high.

You know, that's

exceptionally good.

That 739 is excellent.

Plus, that's about 13 million more than normally turned in at that time, which indicates that a lot of people tuned in for that, which I think is very significant.

That shows the impact of the buildup.

And I think people wanting to see

They really, you know, they were so, it was press creation, the whole thing.

I know this is amusing now.

Rather than a long tirade about the fact that we heard the court, we heard the credibility of the presidency and all the rest, by English, in a way, that's bullshit.

Let's just talk.

Well, what they're doing is, listen, and I've got,

Dick Moore, talking to the wire services this morning, and he met with the news magazines last night.

And he's hitting them very hard.

He's, the line that I've asked him to take is that you guys created all this here.

Right, I just looked in there.

Who created it?

I created it.

Hell, he was sure he sent up the six of them.

I think Mitchell sent them up.

Mitchell sent them up.

He sent them all up there, and I have a lot of others, and I'm making up my mind.

Well, they created it.

They created it.

You met with Bird on the airport.

Exactly.

And this is the point that we thought we'd try to get some articles started about how the press create this kind of an environment and then have to wriggle their way out of it.

They build this kind of an issue and then they have to justify themselves.

They can't admit that they didn't.

know what was going on.

He said he did a good job of getting this over the time in Newsweek.

You were the only one making the decision.

But throughout this process, anybody in the White House, anybody... Well, he's got a cold and I told him that

He should use the business of people who talk to you during the week.

You gave absolutely no indication of what you were going to do.

It was to be your decision.

No money on the staff, and absolutely no money.

Right.

I think we'll get some of this across until it's harder than hell, because these guys don't want to admit that they created this kind of an issue.

It's just typical of their facets, like,

Well, they secretly admire you for doing it.

Don't worry about that.

I'm not too worried about the news magazines.

They'll crap on it.

If they do, they do, and they're rather stressed.

But the point is, we did 40 million people.

That's right.

And that's what kills them.

40 million.

They're never going to get to that audience.

46 million people saw you and listened to you.

And they're not going to believe the press.

The press is lying.

In an eloquent speech.

You know...

As I told you, we've been sending people around to bookstores on the Efren book.

And I was just fascinated.

It's selling out.

I'm astonished.

A week ago, it wasn't selling.

Ten days ago, it wasn't selling.

This week, four bookstores, four of the biggest bookstores in New York, had it on their, either on their bestseller rack or their current, their

their leader rack that they put out.

A couple of them were sold out.

We decided now that we can get about three or four key points in Chicago, New York, and here, and clean out a few stores, and make them place orders, and keep the thing going.

It'll go now, I'm convinced.

She was kind of knocked out last week and didn't do anything.

But she's now got enough television going and interviews and goodness in her.

Yeah.

But it's starting to catch on.

It's starting to catch on.

Hello?

Yeah.

Hello?

Sharon, I didn't want anybody to get to be 50 years old without getting a call from the president.

So I can't wish you the best, but are you in New Jersey?

Well, if you told me you were a conscriptional assistant, I remember, I remember I had to meet 50 people.

I had a long scheme.

Well, you know it's true.

You know it's true.

I'm going to meet, as a matter of fact, a game of about 10 governors in about five minutes from my new convention in Moscow, so I'll find out what they're thinking over there.

Well anyway, the head family can give you a couple of real good judges there.

They're tough and strong and conservative.

They ought to be here.

Are you?

Oh, great.

Slow as sand.

Okay.

Fine, all right.

He is one of those guys who always had, you know, a hard drive.

He pulled the American people to his 98% of the time.

You know, and so he gets a call.

They had to compare him with a son of a bitch like Percy.

Percy had the gall, unmitigated gall, the right handwritten letter that sent down to Rose that came in the day that I made the nomination saying he was terribly distressed.

And I told him one evening that I grew my hair.

The judges said that he could support and so forth.

And he was distressed and he was picking me up.

The good guys like this, the guys that just stay with us all the time.

The good guys that stay with us all the time.

And the other guys never go with us at all.

Percy is, God, he is.

He is an insufferable prick.

He really is.

I was at a dinner party with him recently, and it was just, it was hard to get through the dinner because he was such a goddamn bore, and the things he was talking about.

So conceited and insufferable.

God, he's had it.

Well, he'll, actually, he'll probably help us a little bit next year.

Well, he's here a long way.

I'm aware that he's got it.

I'm not so good at running strong, but he'll run well in different areas.

Ogilvy isn't going to help, and having Griffey on the ticket is a plus.

He'll be a drag.

Now, I think he's tired.

He needs to go out.

Okay, he goes, he goes back to us, and he'll probably need to drive the others here.

And they say, well, I won't be able to go until about 11.30.

So you can get a train for a little while.

Want me to call you?

I got Scott's report last night, and they're both putting out good and tough statements on Monday morning, you said, with respect to the U.N.

I hate to mention the fact that we've got to be careful that we don't make it appear that we're threatening the African-Americans.

That's the idea that we just, they had great, as friends of the U.N., they had great concern about this vote, which could be very difficult.

The point that Ford wanted to make was that if the U.N. establishes a precedent whereby they can throw anyone out, that that will disturb the confidence of those who have supported the U.N. financially at all, and that that will injure the U.N. for years to come.

So I think that's a pretty good line.

Give him a little jab on that story.

Tommy, it seems to me that you're going to

They've got quite a job to get these poles circulated, because I don't think they're going to get used much.

I know a ton of the guns, particularly here in Washington, the coast, even when you watch, they'll bury that gun pole.

I agree.

They'll bury it, although it's quite, I mean, although they shouldn't, due to the fact that it is a change, a change in the pole is something, but they'll bury it then.

And they'll bury the trial leads by Harris, which will come next week.

What can you do now?

I think that you've got to, can I suggest, I don't mean to pull, but give us some phone calls to the people, like the movers and shakers, like the Billy Gray and the fighters, and a few senators and congressmen that talk to others, and, you know, just to be off the line.

On one hand, there's a traffic heat with Perry Harrison.

I do some telephone calls.

You see, rather than just mail, you do a little robbery on that.

If you're gonna do any good on it, you've got to have polls.

We've got to stop handling the job.

We're not doing the job.

We've never been screwed.

Are we using phone calls and things like that?

The White House staff, they need to know.

We circulate it in the latest.

I know you circulate it.

Do they read it?

Yes, they do.

Everybody around here is

politically sensitive to the poll.

Where we haven't gotten it through before, Mr. President, is with the Congress.

What we've decided to do is to send them up when they're like this with personal notes.

Now, McGregor can't send a poll with a personal note because that looks kind of so dull, but we have dulled it with a personal note.

We are, the, the, uh, Gallup... Well, I've mentioned, uh, I've mentioned, uh, to you both, Ford and Scott, when we got them on the site, the, uh, the upcoming polls and how great they look.

We will get it to the leaders.

Uh, that reprint I showed you of Gallup is just, is the one that we're going to use to send to the Hill.

Uh, it's Gallup's own, it's his own, uh, print, and we're sending that to every member, so they'll have it Tuesday morning.

in their office from Bob Dole.

Harris' poll, I've got a few cracks up my sleeve.

Well, you may remember the little fracas that occurred over the Harris poll that showed Kennedy slipping.

Well, we'll have some way... We'll have it come in a way that will create a little stir.

That really raised hell the last time.

I'm not sure this will show.

The one that said Kennedy being captured caused one hell of a fight between Muskie and Kennedy.

I never gave you all the details because I don't think you could have.

But it was, Jesus, they went talking to each other.

That really...

That would be ideal, but it might be a little obvious.

We'll find a way.

Abortion and post-mortem is probably all you need.

Yeah, I see.

We're all around abortion.

And playing on books, abortion, race.

Getting philosophical, unhappy with each other.

That one I kept in incredible publicity.

That was a big story all over the country.

I think something like that will happen.

I think on the bus, Muskie is...

I don't know if he's science.

God, he just drones on and on about how bad things are.

I think he may be doing the wrong thing.

All the countries in the hell would shit in a country or a trip.

He's not making an impact with it, though, Mr. President, and he flips on the issues, you know.

He hasn't decided whether he's going to the West or the Center.

You know, he supported Hughes in the fight for... You know, speaking of the press, the way they try to justify what they write, it seems to me that we're marking new signs of it.

They're still talking about this business about not knowing how to use power.

I read that they should be accidently like Cal.

The letter should have been a moment of heart and sorrow.

Mainly because, mainly because they are widely read.

They have a loose story.

And you know, it'll shake them up.

It'll shake them up.

Maybe they're losing their credibility.

But you see that pretty desperate crew there.

So they just keep repeating the same thing.

They were on the day show this week reviewing the book.

I could barely watch it and I've suggested that we get

Weske, who's also doing a piece on the Today Shore, gets someone to balance Evans and Novak.

We'll also get some letters to him.

I raised it in the United Staff meeting the other morning.

I said that all of us, if we're asked about it, ought to say that the book is just full of misleading.

Of course, some of our fellows don't do that because they...

They manage on it.

Yeah.

Yeah, and our people at 7-Eight, we raise the next one, and we want you to do all this.

I don't want anything.

You've got to have some rules.

I don't take the same rules with regard to when I'm an officer.

Listen, even though they're ministers, I know that they are basically respected men.

But that's a little back and forth.

There's no God damn good.

And also, if you come around here, and you suck up to our people, God, I've seen the devils on the White House, Dennis Mercer, but you should never be in Venice.

And also, there's one member of the staff,

after they attacked all of them, as they did in that book.

And others, fellows like Finch and Rumsdell, shouldn't talk to them, to my point.

Because not that Sapphire and a whole bunch of butchers said that we have some that are, you know, and they're being used.

I'm very tough.

I've had a hard life with whores.

It doesn't, it really is.

You can't ever win them over.

You might as well realize that they're going to screw you every time.

The only time you should talk to those guys is when there's something we want to plant.

We've been able to.

Bill Saffir, right?

Yeah.

Plant, Bill, maybe...

I already have a Saffir.

He's nasty on him.

Just don't let him get anything.

That's all.

I absolutely agree.

Kirsten, the Wall Street Journal is another one that...

He did a hatchet job on me a week ago.

Brutal.

Well, I just heard that he is being replaced as the White House correspondent for the Wall Street Journal.

The reason being that he can't get to anyone here.

Nobody will tell you.

Well...

He's an arch-liberal in his own philosophy.

But the proof of the pudding that it can work if we prove them out is that he's being taken off the White House feet.

Because if they can't get in here, their own papers have got to put somebody in who can get in.

This is what our people don't seem to understand.

The editor has got to have someone here who can get in.

And if you had a hurry, too, I thought I'd listen to her.

You couldn't drive him off.

But you can drive a person off.

You can drive a person off.

Absolutely.

As I say, I'm not concerned.

It's nice.

It's well and more.

Who does know the facts is the person across the story from the Supreme Court.

The intrigue of how a decision was reached is fascinating to people around Washington, but it doesn't matter as damn in the country.

And if you consider a few million copies of Time and Newsweek, which are not read in depth by most people,

I saw it on television.

These guys sound terrific.

So, you know, and the things that we react to, like last night's wire services, that just got me madder than hell.

But you have to stop and stand back and realize that nobody said that the American partners had rebuffed you and that this was, you know, these were not your choices and acted in desperation and

Take names out of the hat.

Well, that's, as I say, that is never as difficult as figuring it out, but it's... Well, it's 715.

The same wire service guy.

715 Thursday night.

AP.

AP head up.

had a story that it was Lily and Friday still at 7.15.

And then UPI at 7.25 got it, obviously, from one of the senators that it was Rehnquist and Powell, but that was five minutes before you went on the air, so they, it didn't make any, I mean, they lost, they didn't, they weren't able to break the story.

What is the situation with our actual people?

The only next person is Charles Barnett.

Governor Lowe of Colorado was not here as expected and he stopped off in London and was not aware of the invitation.

I wish I had used him.

Well, he told a few people in L.A. All right, let's get into your service.

Well, that'll pass.

Yeah, of course not.

If I got it, I couldn't get another crack at it.

Well, of course, they started making phone calls, too.

No, I know, but that isn't the way to leave.

No.

That first story came out that they had sent it up there, and all six of the names were in the paper.

Two hours.

Two hours done deliberately by somebody in there who was against the six.

They're not going to do it.

Remember how they did?

They would crack all over the pod, crack all over these people.

And we just put up a couple there before they'd crack them.

I think that's true.

They can't.

His credentials are just too good intellectually.

I got a good one.

No, Jesus.

A terrific appointment.

And he's a very interesting guy, and he's a very colorful guy.

The television on him last night was excellent.

Really?

Well, I've had all of his employees in the office, some blacks, some gals, and they were just all so thrilled for him.

Apparently everybody in the Justice Department liked him.

And they all admire him.

Because he's smart.

That's right.

The ABA won't be able to turn on him, but you're absolutely right, they would if he's not one of the clubs.

We could have built a support for her if we wanted to.

There has been one for a reason.

We could have built a support so it would have been an awful hard thing to catch up with.

That's the whole point here.

Well, that's what we have this time that we didn't have with the Haineswood and Cargill.

We have a huge momentum going.

Yeah, Haineswood and Cargill.

We just let it go too long.

Yeah.

With this next one, we just didn't get it out.

They snuck up on us.

They built a hell of a case and then just began to eat away at us day after day.

Sure, that was one hell of a case.

It's probably all right.

At the end of the point that we were trying.

Yeah.

but there's something else it really helps with it with the professional conservatives or whatever they were they they love this guy Kilpatrick thinks he's the next power was the greatest in the United States he just worships and you'll find with with these two appointments that

But the problems we've had on the right can be a whole lot worse.

50,000 feet.

75.

I bet you, with your money, we would have a full cruise with this crew.

I'm sorry, clerk.

Oh, how many views?

Seventy-five.

Seventy-five?

Maybe not this year, but next year.

Yeah, next year.

We hope you guys remember that.

You've got that same thing.

But Arkansas is also using that same channel.

That's just the population of the area.

I'd like to see the Archipelago come together.

I'd like to see it repeat with other nations.

I'd like to see the Archipelago come together.

I'd like to see it repeat with other nations.

Why don't we go over here and sit down and have coffee?

It's a little better here than the campus in the day, Mr.

Recruiter.

The more I'm used to it here, I guess I've got it around.

Thank you.

If you don't explain to us, let me put your chair just close so everybody can see you.

The wardrobe has been created all about... How many days?

I don't know how many days.

I don't know.

All right.

.

Thank you.

So we have it up there all over the place.

And I can't hear you, sir.

I can't hear you.

Oh.

I came back the second time.

I was against the government.

I said that they are an accomplice.

But I decided to sit away from them.

I paid no attention to them.

I was the integral part of the U.S. military.

I had one out of the base.

I worked very hard to get us out of here.

I came back the second time.

I was four years really young.

They said for us, this was the first decision.

August the 6th, they got us out of the U.S. military.

How many people?

Ten million people.

Well, you know, I would say that everybody can count themselves.

Everybody can count.

Well, tell me, given your evaluation, of anything you'd like, of the men, the leaders that you imagine, I mean, particularly the Russian leaders, I know just so I do not know the restitution,

Did you see President Cooper?

Yes, we were speaking about him.

And also, your view about the country.

I mean, was it, did it look better or worse?

Sidewise, I mean, so forth.

How does this comment, or how does this should first turn?

Oh, first turn.

All right, then.

I'm going to have a base, but I'll start.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

And just talk about the top of your heads.

Mr. President, what would you say?

But for me, just to quickly go and then each one had, they all had their own impressions and so on and so forth.

We're not going to say it.

We're going to say it.

We hope we can think of a different place to go to work.

But we're going to be calling them back home.

The point is, we don't train the experts.

We're not trying to be that two weeks.

I want to say that I'm very frightened of some things, not only over there, but we think in preparation for others who might go over, not in your particular state, but in ours.

And we need them to be constructed.

And this is not any way that anything other than constructing this is good.

We think, number one, the briefing prior to the trip was totally negative.

We were just totally lost in the people that we would see, the things that we could expect.

You just weren't prepared for it.

We got a higher level reading that probably

Well, we should have been.

But what, what was, what was the reason you had to go there?

To be a specific one.

Yeah.

To come here as a president, we had to remain in the United States.

That's right.

We didn't get that.

But we should have.

We thought we would get that.

We wanted that.

We did our thing.

They give you the dues and notes and all that.

Yes, they did that, but they didn't bring in the personal things.

I do remember him like a friend of the Federation.

We didn't even know who he was.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, that's a lot of some job.

But it's not a surprise.

In Paris, this is North Washington.

When a group of doctors go, you know, they, uh, when you go, you're, you're expecting, you know, what they call these, you know, some of these people, you know, they, the doctors, are they manning, uh, some of these big men in Russia, you know?

Mr. President?

Yeah, and I think the thing is that they, you know, you go there and you sound them down.

It's embarrassing.

Sir, what kind of, uh, what kind of, uh, what kind of tools can I use?

At least, middle, middle.

Yeah, just, uh, parents.

Well, I don't know.

I don't know.

But believe me, this is bigger.

We're going to pay more.

Oh, I tell you, he's no better than what I've done.

I worked in a film station and a grocery program.

My father was a carport and a carpenter.

Everything.

That's the point.

They are so well-prepared.

To them, it's a business, and we should be prepared.

That's what's going to happen again.

Sound like a major thing to do, all right?

Very good, John.

Very good.

And all the leaders, they're very good.

The leaders, they're very good.

That's exactly it.

That's just something else.

Great idea.

First impressions are always so bad.

One of the things I want to say first, when you leave, we can all agree on this.

We just want you to feel that with you and the Muscovites, we have such a place.

I haven't been through that just yet.

I understand.

Now, on this experiment, the master is not an impressive man.

He's got a fine brand, but he's not impressive.

So that's the thing.

The return delegation, as a matter of fact, just after my trip, of course, is going to be the time to take a look.

He's going to meet with us.

We know.

We're worried about him.

This is a return delegation.

We feel that we've got so much responsibility on that as a federal department.

We've got to have somebody further than somebody way down from the State Department.

And we'll secure it.

We think we know what we need to do to at least reduce the possibilities.

But let me, because that could have some good, let me suggest that, let me suggest this to Al.

Tell, uh, on an interim obligation, I want to do a good job, do a good argument, and I'll see if you can work on this.

and we'll use the Executive Protection Service.

We have set up a new service here to protect the embassy.

You know, some ambassadors have been robbed and beaten and mugged in this town, and so we've set up an Executive Protection Service to protect the embassy.

We've got them also with the U.N. And I also assign them there.

We have a state visitor.

They're basically like the Secret Service, but expanding.

They're high-class police.

When you hire your 10th delegation, they will go into account in advance.

There's going to be an imperative situation.

One of these sort of guys will die around, and he'd be arguing, did you know?

And let alone a rookie.

No American can go around without getting a few boots.

And they don't understand it, though, because, you know, they're sensitive.

But I think when you're reading that, because there's a big game now, for example, Austin, I want to see the Terps, probably a very big plan for how many they have to go, and I said,

I said, yes, cut it all.

I said, that's the place I'll be staying.

There's so few of us.

I'm not going to have a lot of kids around me.

But here, we have got to handle it.

Because we cannot have a comparison to our guests.

We had it all the time.

I had a very different sense.

Pompidou, which you've never heard of, is a human.

He was out here shooting in Chicago.

Because they raised hell with him.

And I had to go to the director to smooth his finish.

Uh, but the Russians, you have all sorts of emigrate groups, and you understand the Hungarians whose people were killed and so forth, they'll be out racing only to help.

I mean, we must not allow it.

But I think one of the things that we take away and suggest that you folks can help on,

You have got to see your state police and the others are ready to cooperate and be very heavy-handed.

We can do that.

And we think you can't be heavy-handed protecting an American.

And they'll say, well, now you're trying to stack the audience, but you can be heavy-handed protecting a guest.

All of us agree on one thing that would help 1,000% if we could have a plan for them where we wouldn't have to worry taking them to St. Louis-Lambert Airport

and take them over to Detroit.

If we had that private,

Airplane, if we can scoot them, why don't you ask them this?

They don't shoot on you, don't you?

You want to rush an airplane?

Yeah, fine.

But they're going to be, they're going to be, they're going to be, they're going to be, they're going to be, they're going to be, they're going to be, they're going to be, they're going to be,

If there is an air place where you can get an advance, there's going to be a rate sale.

We'll kind of go into military air force and be strict.

See, we can just, you know, we'll be in control.

It's not a big matter.

But I think what I would suggest that each of you then have a responsibility to check.

There's going to be a demonstration or anything.

Take a military air force and scare them and make them think.

and go to a military airport and get it.

But then, get tickets out to people that you know so that you get a nice welcoming crowd.

That's really easy to do.

Easy to handle.

I'll cover two things.

Give me a second.

I'm still to my colleagues here.

Number one, we couldn't see any of that anywhere as far as I can tell.

It's more than what you think.

That's part of the problem.

Did you stay at the Aspen Hotel?

Yes, sir.

What hotel did you stay in?

In Los Angeles.

No, no, no.

Tommy, who was your interpreter?

A woman?

No, I had a woman.

We all had a woman.

They gave me the same interpreter.

I was there in his eyes.

It was the same one.

They were tough and strong.

Well, every month he had to start again on 25.

Oh, boy.

He turned it into a paper.

He told me one of his own.

He sent it to some girls.

She was all right that way, but she went hard on him, too.

We went over there, of course.

I guess, purges never restrain.

All sleep with our usual common... We'd go to another country and talk with them about common problems.

All of a sudden, you announced your visit to Moscow.

We became unofficial ambassadors to the atmosphere.

It's a natural wire, so you're safe and we're most grateful for it.

But did you get a little notice on it where Congress were?

No, we didn't get a little notice on it.

This was very impressive.

Well, nobody can tell us here either, because you can't.

Because I don't think it's safe for the scientists and the Russians.

are paranoid about severson and so they said we're going to release them eight o'clock moscow time we reached 12 o'clock they didn't say word one to any of them before eight o'clock

And, uh, and the innumerable toasts from that moment on.

Every single toast has been good.

They, uh, welcomed it.

But the very people I had to visit.

As Mark says, instead of us being visitors, we became ambassadors.

That's the way it's done.

Yeah.

They don't see you.

Well, basically, they're extremely proper.

They're extremely proper.

When I was there in 67, I was the former Vice President of the United States, and I had been traveling all over the world, and I had seen, I was fresh, I was on my European, I had made four different trips,

I had seen Wilson in England.

I had seen de Gaulle in Paris.

I had seen, at that time, Kiesinger in Germany.

I went to Russia to go see him at home.

And the reason was that I held no position.

And you, they would normally let you see only governors.

They were opposite.

Normally, you would never see your city.

But the interesting thing I thought about your state and visit was that the president was traveling with us.

They first told them they could take pictures with me.

They said you could take pictures with me.

Then when they told them to leave, go see and stay.

That's why they told me to leave.

That's why that's your big play, isn't it?

I said, let me say another thing.

One thing, if you do get a question, I should point out.

I know that in one of the group summaries here, some columns in the committee,

Why is the president going to Moscow?

Why aren't they coming here?

Well, obviously, it's our turn.

See, Khrushchev was on a state visit to the United States, and he is, and so any, and of course, those thinking themselves that, well, it was not a state visit, he did transit into that space, so it's our turn to go there.

There was never any question about who was to go first, but they just suddenly, when they heard it, it's not that it had to be us going there.

It's always been the case.

That's what we should have achieved.

Mr. President, over here, I know it's your time, so I'm just going to interrupt.

We saw, and we were told, pretty much the party line, just, you know, to everybody here, the only thing I would say is that we should report to you to the sense, what we sensed and what we felt about the Soviet Union, and that is, everywhere we went, there seemed to be a, at least on a sense, a genuine desire for a new era of understanding between the two nations.

I made the, uh,

This is among people.

This is among officials.

Do you feel like you've had any contact with people?

No, I'm very isolated.

I'm pretty isolated.

Have you ever looked at all of those cases?

No way.

We visited with a group of Jews that were waiting for us last time we got here.

And, of course, we couldn't have asked them directly after a demo spot about how you're being treated here.

We used to get out of town.

But the sense is that there is, we're really the best known of them.

The desire for some sort of...

It's interesting that they all have the lines.

Oh, yeah.

That's what I'm saying.

If you want to change it, just steal it.

Order?

Yes, and... You could almost... That's something you might...

The next guy?

That's a very interesting question.

Which is the... Have you known that the whole atmosphere doesn't change as a result?

All these questions each time, I think one of them was from crime, but something else clicked by.

It wasn't answered that way.

So the fella finally said, aren't you going to hand me a dollar?

And I was like, yeah, all right.

I didn't ask any questions.

He didn't remember about you anyway.

And he said, aren't you going to hand me a dollar?

And I was like, yeah, all right.

And I said, how many times did you see Spawn like?

They put a very high priority.

They just purchase it, that's all, and the artist just worships it.

We didn't have any, well, he gets, he gets a, he gets a doctorate, he gets a, or a chief, whatever the case may be.

We don't want to, I know that somebody has to take over time, but we, we'd be like, we ought to remain as this.

Oh, I, I, I, well, let me ask you, how did Christine get impression?

And, uh, I told you about it, didn't you?

I said, no, it's very warm.

Very, very warm, not very excellent.

And I'll tell you, I go over to Perry's and talk to Perry.

Mr. Perry, he's a man of at least six faces that we saw at that meeting.

At least six.

Uh-huh.

And we saw him as the affable, friendly, bodily type for a part of me.

Yeah, Perry didn't talk about it at the grand show.

He did, John.

And Perry smiled.

He has a wonderful smile.

You'll see when he comes on.

Then he became a little more official.

Then we got to the point of leveling what we thought was criticism.

He became very honest.

He said, I have to go see her.

He said there had been a lot of talk about preparation for the meeting, and he felt the best preparation was in these two areas, Vietnam and the Middle East.

We said, well, there you go.

Oh, that was the other side.

They were working on it.

You had it, sure.

We said, go on.

Go on.

In all places.

I mean, there are clients in the Middle East, West Basin.

And they restrain Egyptians.

And Vietnam.

They provide most of the Irish.

So...

So it's a mutual thing.

We don't say it's publicly British.

We haven't spent any time doing that.

One of those men traveling with us, we all used to sort of interpret, we all felt that he was a part of the Antwerp security.

We had this fear that it's like when it's got anybody in a cargo cabin.

Somebody's walking here, and I just take the first, and I just guess the Jewish question to me, what?

Freedom.

They said, the Jews have got a free education.

They've got everything in the Soviet Union.

Now they want to leave and go to Israel.

to fight against our friends.

And he says, we're just not going.

We're not going to fight against our friends.

First, Russians as people, just like Poles as people, have a long history of anti-Semitism.

On the other hand, Communism, as far as its great users in Marx, etc., many of them, of course, were Jews.

So here they are, and this is a case, this has been a really irritating case, some of our friends, and you talked to Ben Irving, who is, many of you have, I'm sure, and of course, many of the

I think Russia will be very much pro-Israel.

That's what I do.

I think it's, I think it's just a question that they're headed in power, which shows, which shows that when the temps are really down, they look at their strategic interests.

Their strategic interests are going to be served via the side of the agent rather than the issue.

I think that's what they want to stop.

In addition to a latent tenet of Semitism among some, you've heard some sophomores that are killed.

They talk about a Jewish plot and the doctors and so forth and so on.

That's the latent stuff that's there.

But it goes beyond that, too.

I went to two synagogues.

We went to their locations.

They have an actual case.

Yeah.

They have an actual case.

They're called Mount Judas.

Right.

And we went in there.

But it isn't just the Jews that are being...

Religion is taboo now.

All religions.

It's a systematic elimination of religion in right communistic factor.

That's what it is.

It's more than just being against the Jews or any other faith.

It's a systematic elimination of religion.

You don't see a young person in any.

One of the things that does irritate

are do not allow themselves to be assimilated and their religion destroyed in any country and this is therefore inconsistent with the communist uh deal it's a yeah a protestant uh person it gets his religion up rather easily a catholic a little harder but this is this is maybe part of this problem too

the fear of the Soviet people in the war.

We didn't have the field that they had because of all the casualties they had in World War II.

They go on board.

One of the most moving experiences I had, I was down, I think it was on my top.

I found there.

I went out to the market and I'm more excited to move that because that's part of it.

Part of why I'm not seeing the official license in the market for a while.

A man, his leg off, and they don't have many of those people, if you don't see them on the streets and everything, but his leg off, big early fall, recognized me, probably from the Khrushchev period, eight years before, it was in 67.

He came up and threw his arms around me, and he said, I remember when I saw the Americans.

He had been there with the Americans.

He said, we love the Americans.

He said, we don't want war with the Americans.

We will keep going.

Well, this is the wrangling of the people, for what it is, on that top level.

If the word goes down, they can change.

It can happen overnight.

Because it is so closely controlled that it would be rather difficult for them to lead the people.

I mean, they have the problem of leading two, but they can order something that we can't do.

The Russians, they have had one hellish event.

You know, in World War I, you think of the horrible slaughter of the Russians.

And those battles, you know, on the end of the earth.

There's one thing we would like to know.

We would like to have had, before we left, how much we did for the Russians.

No, no, no.

I could have gotten up with a toast, you know, in a nice way, and said, the United States of America was a threat.

But then, so many times, I think, they ran off those figures.

So many times, we said, I didn't think the way you thought it was.

Why didn't they put it in?

I think it'll depend on the state department.

We didn't prepare it, so I just told him to look at it the next time.

We're going to do a recap, and then you're done.

Oh, gosh, man.

Yeah, I mean, I don't understand.

Don't answer this, but, you know, you have to.

Then this man goes in there, and he just takes all this stuff, and he goes, Frank, you know...

But you both are politicians.

Naturally, they do.

You are the matter, right?

I mean, there is a way to do one thing.

I don't think we have a very serious discussion about this.

But he made a broad question to the chamber.

And when they started to view the press, so did you.

And I came back and I said, well, there could be some disinformation.

And so we hope that this will be as it happened in the Soviet Union, that the people of the Soviet Union get to know each other and let it drop.

We didn't have no place anywhere to drop.

We just worked there.

But he's letting them know that you were not totally...

In the same way that President Romney did.

He got more than foreign places to save you.

He was a very chess kid.

Yeah, he was.

He was a very

But he also wanted to let them know that they were independent.

They'd fought for 400 years for their independence, and they were not as satellite as Russia.

I got a different feeling than some of the others did about that.

I got a feeling that maybe it remains just a bit of testing ground for whether or not that part of the enterprise could work and the systems could be maintained.

That's all they talked about was trade.

It's like the only person we know.

They're very interested in the variations.

We're going to give them that for your information, but after, we've got to wait until the Vietnam thing is on the burner, which we'll come to.

In my toast, I read your statement, in your report to Congress, that you just, in total lenient, repeated that, not even progressively, but the president, part of that too, but we just,

Don't go with our legislatures and congresses and come out in three days and have something done.

They have time to do something.

We've done thoroughly.

We're remaining.

We gave them business for a very fun reason.

See, we've known them.

Did you know that?

No, sir.

Well, the other day they talked about the game.

We spent 10 million dollars.

We spent 10 million dollars on it.

See, we can forward it if you sell it.

We can sell it.

I can't think of those color cases.

We've also been doing some very good things.

We're going to trade the licensed fans over to you.

We want to make them pay the update to all of you.

You see, you've got to...

You've got to, you've got to be very careful what they're going to do.

You want to make them pay for him to be independent, and some of them are going to go to the United States.

But also, you've got to be careful not to go so far that the Russians come in and some of them won't.

That's the problem.

So we've got a very good mind, and we are going to give him his favorite nation.

We had a proper time.

They know they're going to get him.

We had six trial lawyers in that case to give, Mr. President.

You didn't know that they'd given the funds?

No.

I didn't know that they'd given the funds.

Warren said that we want you to know this American people are very much concerned about prisoners of war.

And that people are handling it.

Yeah, I want to question the prisoners of war.

And we made a number of points to it.

I wrote out the fact that everywhere we went, they kept telling us, get out of Vietnam.

And if we didn't get out of Vietnam, the prisoners of war would be released.

But I said, every time I asked somebody what if that wouldn't happen, nobody would give me an answer.

In other words, it's the language of our lawyers in the United States when they're trying to get a contract.

So, I don't want you to think that we went over there and said, well, why change treaties?

We just tried it.

It was very good.

And very, very helpful to say that, incidentally, on the Vietnam side, it's interesting to note that you probably missed it when you were gone.

And Reed was winding down the casket.

It was two weeks ago.

It's my last day of five.

So there, it's coming around.

And we got new plans.

We just hope.

But here, you push the trigger.

I see the difficulty with any approach to the fact that, well, if we will get out of here in terms of prisoners and arrests, it limits the options.

They have got to be, when you finally come down to the hard ground,

they've got to realize that the United States has some other choice than just getting out and exchanging prisoners.

They've got to feel, for example, that as we get down to the point of dehumanization, as it will, when there are less than 100,000, we're not going to yell, let's get out your son-in-law, and we have to find a way to measure the exact number of victims.

But they may, if they have the issue, is,

some way, well, that we got the prisoners.

Now he'd get out.

He said, okay, we'll get out.

And then he'd get the prisoners.

And I said, and he said, what do you want us to do now?

I said, well, cut off all day.

Not only here, but the entire land.

Then we'll get them.

And he cut off.

I said, no.

What do you want us to do now?

And he went, so, the other side of the coin is to have a little stick in the hand.

And the stick is that the

All right, now we're in the part where the United States has the residual force.

We're going to keep them there, Joe.

And there's going to be the right to exchange.

Also, the possibility that we're not just going to sit there and wait, let these prisoners sit there and die.

We may.

And I have it.

We have the option, of course.

We've still got our air power there, and we can go bomb the hell out of them.

I mean, military targets.

by reason of what you've done in Cambodia, Mao says, go hide the threat.

Now, I don't want that threat removed because we have got to be sure we get those prisoners.

I've talked to these people every morning.

We're going to get them.

And we have to keep, as you as lawyers know, you've got to have more than one strength to both.

So, and...

We can't play the line that well.

Look, folks, we have no options here to pick it up.

We have other options.

We could do something great, but they'd be very expensive.

What do you think?

I think a lot of them, but most of them, they give us the list of the things that they have.

He's going off in a very different direction.

That's why when I asked him, do you think the other nations of Eastern Europe might follow him?

He said, no.

What did he say?

He just voted for him.

That's good.

He hadn't heard it.

He said, well, all sorts of countries must cooperate.

He just talked around.

He never did.

He's quite a foal, isn't he?

He is.

His background is, yes, he came from a very whole family.

on his way up, and there's a lot of ceiling out there.

He's a real tough guy.

Well, you can't get to him.

And I said to my husband, I said, you can't get to where he is.

This party was up.

And he said, sir, we can say that about every parade we've met here.

They were here.

You know, I told you about a lot where they had that destruction.

They've been on, they've been competing.

Well, they've been playing in the toughest, most ruthless and peppy league in the world.

That's one of the reasons, in a very different sense, that the American press made a terrible error of judgment when Khrushchev first came to the scene.

Remember, in the early days, when Khrushchev first came to the scene, they said that he went down, I think, with the Vienna, with the Pogan, and at that time the two were together, and he deliberated, you know, and took over himself.

Khrushchev, they said, was a drunk, was a dumb whore,

this and that and the other thing.

I remember talking to Foster Pellis at the time.

Tom Pellis was a very accurate shot.

He said, I'm afraid this judgment is very, very inaccurate.

He said, no one can get to the top in the Tompkins hierarchy without having a great deal of ability.

And he did.

I mean, the fact that he didn't happen to have graduated from Harvard, the fact that he didn't have the right guy, he was probably the quickest mind in the world.

And in any history, there's no other word for us to know that we should hold it up.

All that we've met over the last couple of months, they're really volunteer.

They're professionals, they're tough-minded, they're smart, they've got what they need.

How are they?

What do they need?

Oh, well, Natalie and I make all kinds of stuff.

They make the sink and make the other part.

Yeah, yeah.

I came in first, and, you know, we heard from some of the first people.

Yeah.

And we went to, we looked at them, and I said, who makes the part?

What's the other part for, Scott?

Well, you know,

And it's not again that it's with the Chinese, too.

You realize that at this time, again, take the Russians.

Their army leadership is very old.

It's very old.

We retired ours about 60 years ago.

Ours is old enough.

But their army leadership is old.

And their political leadership is old.

The Soviet was 67.

The Russian was 68.

Now, in our case, we're old enough.

But we're old enough.

We're a bit younger than they are, some of them.

And I think the easy way to get to the top, that's part of the bureaucracy, is that you have to just outlive them.

You go up through the chairs.

I didn't have one to deal with, but you've got to be tough.

They, they, they spot a weakness.

Yeah.

They should, first of all, take advantage of it.

Yeah.

And I didn't have respect for Schmitt.

Right.

I think it was a better effect recently.

Yeah.

As far as we have, it was, it was very, very strong.

Okay.

That's what I think we have to take.

Just be great.

Indeed.

The Chinese leaders and the Russian leaders, everybody's got to be kind of peaceful.

We're just getting to know each other better.

It's just a whole bunch of

I mean, there will be a lot of differences.

They will always exist.

And all we're going to do is talk about those differences and find those areas where our common interests might be served by resolving them.

And one common interest is neither side.

As far as the superpowers are concerned, one is still a side.

So therefore, that's why there's a chance for arms control.

Another thing to trade, a barrel of cold turkey.

Don't get a nasty one, you should get something returned for it.

The Mideast is another problem.

And as part of their concern, what they want, they want the Mideast, we want peace in the Mideast.

So what should you do?

Well, if they want, if you can't give them the Mideast, they're not going to get peace.

What you have to do is to make whole ways.

I think it's a very interesting, and this year I'll be answering to you already.

Oh, yes.

Well, the reason they're interested in that is that we have to bear in mind, however, that we naturally are saying accidents that are not, well, we're not saying anything to name them at this point.

But a European Security Conference would be their satellites in Western Europe sitting down in a conference without knowing that that's what was going to come out of it would be in their interest and not in ours.

Because all it would do would be to very seriously, at this point, leave a name.

That's the problem that we've got.

Now, we have not.

We have indicated that we're willing to talk about it.

But we said, I don't think we should have a conference unless we decide in advance that there's some substantive things that can be done regarding tensions and the rest.

This is one case where the very fact that a mean would bring the euphoria, which is already in Western Europe to a great extent,

You see, the difference is, you all know, there's no euphoria in Russia.

There's none in the Eastern European countries.

They're leaders in what they want.

They're tough, strong, hard-minded people.

The difficulty in Western Europe and the United States, we're all peace-loving people, and we just believe, well, we just get to know people, and everybody's going to have peace, and we're done with it.

The way to have peace with people like this

is to create circumstances where their self-interest requires that they get along with it.

But unless their self-interest requires it, pretend they are not going to do it.

That's the way it has to be.

Now, that doesn't mean you go into meetings in a belligerent way.

No.

You smile at them, you toast them, and we get that wrong treatment for us and for them.

And therefore, you must not be taken in, of course, with humor by their smiles.

But the Senate told them, the United States and the Soviet Union on one side, the United States and China on the other side will have agreement only in their area, only in those instances where their self-interest will be served.

And where their self-interest will not be served, they're not going to agree.

So we've got to create those situations where it will be in their interest to do it.

And so we're going through these talks with them.

I aspire that you're absolutely right.

These are tough, shrewd, evil men with a sense of mission.

They know what they want in the world.

They're out to get it.

They're willing to wait.

And they think we're soft and we may not be able to wait with them.

But they may be wrong.

That's it.

Well, let me say this.

I don't know whether we did any good or not.

We felt what we did.

Oh, I did.

It was a great...

I'm surprised that the governor has done this before.

Your press was excellent.

It was very excellent.

And your opinion at the time of this announcement was good.

But you said, and we've gotten some reports, now that General Hayden first of all spoke, and how do you deal with it?

You felt very high progress in the federal aid process for two reasons.

One is it was a constructive warning.

At the same time, you maintained your principles that he did not.

I spoke up to them.

It was very helpful.

Very helpful.

The background, P.O.W.

is, and all these other people spoke up.

I mean, in a very nice way.

And off the presses were.

They, look, they have nothing but contempt for somebody that has been taken in.

It's like we are.

You push somebody around and you think he's, you know, a softie.

There's somebody that's strong up here, and I'm gonna push him around.

And that's, I think that you, Paul Streeter, are very good at pushing.

You were, you were congenial.

You were fair.

You were, oh, be alone.

Thanks for being congenial.

We had some of the big belt that, for us, the highway was really involved in.

And some of the things that the president of the state of Kansas

Yeah.

We want to have a birthday party.

Oh, we're going to have a birthday party.

We're going to ask you this question.

We're going to make a state-sponsored report.

Sure you are.

We want to move.

In other words, we've been through this before.

We can handle that.

They keep hitting us every time we come out here.

And what did the president say?

Yeah.

What did the president say?

Well, we would like to say it's our view that the president calls us in for our report.

Can I just tell, you know, I have to say that I invited you to come in because I followed your trip very closely when you were there.

And I, and that you gave me a full and complete report of your reactions to both the Soviet Union and Romania.

And the President was particularly interested in your reactions to following leadership in both places.

He knows, he knows how I'm going to do this.

The report had indicated that you're very evil, which you can say that, and the men that you've met and so forth.

And the, I wasn't interested in what the attitude of the Russians were, was with regard to the trip, if you could say.

I think it's, don't, don't, everybody knows what you said in Russia, but I repeat the fact that you can't admit it.

for us to be reacting very positively to it.

And it has a very good point to make.

And that, uh, that, uh, uh, you know, we have folks in the community, I'll figure it out, probably, which is, uh, they can ask you what's it have to be about strength and tolerance, uh,

that that was raised or something, and you can just tell the fact that it wasn't, and that you didn't raise it.

But I'm going to say we were encouraged by the report in the occasion that the... Encouraged by the report that the Russian leaders of all levels were reacting favorably to the fact that they

that the trip was taking place.

But I turned a little, I let out a bit.

I said, I as well understand that you emphasize this and all the others emphasize it to me.

And I agree that despite the fact that you had a very warm reception, personal basis, that there are great differences.

That we all realize those differences aren't going to be solved by a trip.

That I, the president, realizes this, he said that, and the rest.

that you think that the trip is useful due to the fact that it will allow an opportunity to discuss those differences, that it will be good, you believe, if you believe this, that it will be good to have the Russian leaders to meet the president so that they know what kind of man he is, so he knows what kind of a man they are.

I think something like that would be good.

Oh, another thing is that I do say on my side that I thought

that a trip of this sort is extremely useful, and that I feel that there should, that we should have provided more opportunities for governors to make trips in this time to, or to, basically, communist countries.

I don't think the question will rise of a trip to China, and the answer is, of course, at an appropriate time, that should happen.

At an appropriate time, that should happen.

Because Dauners had traveled in a thinking capacity and yet reached people that cannot be reached at a sum of love.

And I think you can point that out too.

I said that I envied you, you might say, because you were able to see things and go to places that I would not be able to go to.

We were there just for a better understanding.

Right.

I would emphasize the point that you made earlier that, however, so that you don't appear to be naive, because you're not, and that we recognize, however, that the differences we have aren't just going to be solved by getting to know each other.

A better understanding doesn't solve everything.

A better understanding, however, does create a big process and an atmosphere where there are differences that can be solved that you do solve, and where there are differences that cannot be solved, you don't fight them.

that you're talking about.

You used it in our state system.

Well, that's to say that under our system, other than yourself, we represent the total respect of your life in our states.

And for this reason, we're able to communicate with these people better than I think a senator or congressman would.

That's true.

I think, uh, uh, you, you, uh, please don't take, don't take, don't take, don't take your time.

Okay, I understand.

The question may arise as to how up the view of the raspberries that Mr. Stegen is getting up there.

I think you should say that you might raise this point, and this is a good point for you to volunteer, that you raised with the President, in fact, when your counterparts came to this country, we wanted to give them a proper reception.

The President said they were proper, that he was well aware of the necessity of being a good host,

and that he would be the host of our people when they came in and were going to cooperate with the governors.

Good.

I think that's a good talk.

I'm going to make it my business to meet with the Jewish leadership.

Good.

For the purpose of trying to get the holiday income.

Oh, it's going to take a while.

Trying to get them to honor the cause.

Right.

I don't know why they didn't come.

But you didn't know a lot about it.

You talked to them, told them.

You might say this.

You might tell them that you're welcome to, which is that when we were talking here, I think they're concerned.

I know what direction they're in.

I know they're anti-Semitic.

I mean, I know that many of their policies are there.

I think I know the reasons, or at least some of them.

But I do know that... that...

If you have Russian officials tell me I get involved, it will be counterproductive.

And we're working on these people.

And there's another girl, so, actually, we'll be working on it when I get over there.

And all we'll do is just raise holy hell so they'll sit behind God and just visit, you know, all these people.

That's what I'm gonna try to get over to them all, is that kind of act won't they hurt?

No, they peacefully get off and carry sanctions, that's one thing, but anything that's rough,

Do you think you will be working on this question over there?

Well, I can't say that.

I'd rather not say that.

But at this point, due to the fact that we haven't discussed the agenda yet with the Russians, needless to say, as and when we get to the point of what is on the agenda, why...

Any subject will be brought up.

I would prefer to not say that I'm going to raise the Russians this point.

I think that would, that would, uh, most irritate and immediately, and also it would bring the impression that you came in with that in your nature of trust, which is not the truth either.

I can assure you, I've heard it, that, uh, that it was obvious that they took it.

I did before, I didn't do much good.

But we hope today that we have a lot of visitors come here and have that group raising help.

Absolutely.

Because we, it just drives them up the wall.

And it could be very counter-protective to your evidence.

I think that, look, I think you could say you've got a very poor, courteous perception that while they're, despite their differences, and we believe that the United States, and I always thoroughly recognize that we have differences, that we could get a courteous perception of people from other countries.

from other countries representing their philosophies, that that's the responsibility of us in America.

I've hit that hard.

You guys saying that would be very, very important.

Because I believe in Trump.

I just don't believe in this conspiracy.

You know what I mean?

I mean, leave all this politics to me.

I apologize if we hadn't said that, but...

No, no sir, no sir.

Well, anyway, I owe this thing.

I'll give you both a little something.

No, he's got most of everything I've got.

Is that you?

Yes, sir.

through Russia, and had all the grudels, the best in history and medicine.

Don't give these to anybody else.

They're worth a lot.

Take your money from us.

Money from us, money from you guys.

This is the best we've ever had.

That's awesome.

I love it.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

There we are.

Thank you.

I don't have anything else to do, so don't take any more trips.

One more.

No, I'm sorry.

Oh, 8 o'clock.

Sorry.

How about 8 o'clock?

Yeah, all right.

All right.

Well, thank you.

Thank you.

It's been a lot of fun.

Thank you.

Any of you get the cold?

I got a little cold over here.

I'm sitting down.

You didn't have a crossword between you guys over there?

No.

I don't think Ohio State is taking the share.

It's going to be one of those two.

Are they going to have a share?

Thank you.

Good to see you.

Thank you.

That was a useful meeting, I think, very useful.

And, uh, the thing is, if they, uh, go out and say their own things, it's not an atmosphere change at all.

First of all, I think, I think, uh, it's a sound plus.

And these guys here, I'm very, very glad to be back on here.

Now the way this is working, you're starting out, there's the one state that finds you, and they don't expect this thing.

I can go through this whole thing?

Yes, sir.

Or seconds by seconds.

Well, I would let the interpreter keep the momentum.

The whole thing, you know, the interpreter can pick up from what you said.

He's got this.

Oh, he's got this in that area.

Right.

I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be better that I do something so that rather than reading the whole thing in English, it should be common.

All right.

And then tell them I'll read each paragraph.

And then be prepared to go on and find an equal paragraph right there.

It's the same thing that we want to know.

with one verse, and then the next verse, and the verse.