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Why don't we tell them to go ahead?

I thought if you can, I'd like to give you some FYI's to read on the way up.

I've got some nice ones piled up.

I should go and start a car.

I'll tell you why.

You know, I just don't feel like I can call and say, you know, you must go.

See, that's the idea there is.

I think Eddie and Trisha have got a separate car.

I can hardly speak today.

My voice is pretty bad.

I have to practice.

But I thought, like, that was, like, Mr. Dover was a nice guy there.

A lot of the old ones that have been here, you know, something like that.

That, I mean, the body waiting in the car with his things here on it to concentrate on.

And after he talked with you?

I called about that.

He said you were so nice, and...

I did.

I meant it.

Word of love.

Yeah, because they didn't think that Joey would be a hard man this year, or be able to hold anyone at first they've had.

I think on Monday, they picked up Nationals because of pro football, which is the toughest opposition.

Monday night, I'm the oldest.

And I played pro football Monday night before I got there.

But he said that, you know, he said any time, he didn't know for sure, but any time you wanted people to do anything, or if you're out that way, any time, he can always manage to clear a weekend.

He was so thrilled with your call.

What's next in place?

She didn't want to go.

I think she wants to go.

Oh, I think it's too late for the show.

And even if they're doing that, it's pretty, you know, I would imagine they're turning by now, I think.

I'm sorry, Joe.

Joe, we're just going in for today.

Yeah, he had to give a speech somewhere.

I didn't know anyone.

I thought it was when they were this close.

They came in today and they were home too long.

So you didn't feel like trying on slacks after having dinner?

No, I don't know.

You don't think about that?

Yeah.

Because if you try on one pair of these, you kind of don't know what they're like and what they feel.

It would be good to have a saved day like today.

You wouldn't get anything that mattered.

She won't have to unlock it.

I talked to her after.

I had Steve call and say that maybe they'd like to go ahead.

Hello?

I think I've got to call in for the president of Mexico.

I've got to talk to him about this U.N. vote and for the king of Morocco.

And we think it will be true in a half hour.

So I'll just leave then.

Is that okay?

Now, I think Chris and Eddie were just waiting to go with us.

Would they like to do that?

We ought to probably.

We've got to drive.

I can't tell them off these calls when they want business.

Well, when she reads the paper, she can see that Martha Mitchell's analog sounds like she does.

I mean, other people have been pretty reasonable about it, I think.

Don't Martha Mitchell.

She, of course, she carries it off.

She was speaking to John, you know, and they were at the Republican Women's thing one time.

But I think one of the, she, she takes it as a statistic, which shows you that people, I don't keep to tell, have an injustice to women, is that in Germany, one out of every three lawyers are women, and here, only one out of five are women.

Well, the women have to go to college and go through law school and take the bar exam before they can be lawyers.

I, if I, I don't tell them, I say, you know, honey, if you're gonna say something, do something that, that any dummy won't see through.

How stupid.

Do we automatically make all the women in this country lawyers?

No, we don't want to do that.

Sorry, we all have one, but in the end, what's going on?

John told me that we'd have one.

John told you?

No, I just wrote to him.

He said, oh, no, I don't want to do that.

I wouldn't have asked, but I wouldn't have thought of that.

I would have tried not to do that.

I am going to go to the U.S. Navy because the Helmer asked me about three weeks before I got here.

So, there?

Here.

To Washington Hill.

Oh, good.

I will.

And yesterday I found out that I was going to go to the same thing with Helmer.

You're right.

Dick Ward is here.

He's still waiting on another job.

I don't care.

Like, Dick's old.

There's no one I want to hang out with.

Well, I know this is what you want to do, but you're not going to be here.

That's true.

And I'll have the other way, I agree to bring the display to the center.

Do you like that typewriter?

All right, nice.

Go ahead.

Well, is it any better than the other?

Well, the radio does, I don't need it.

No, I know, but we need to know whether you want it.

Oh, sure, it's fine.

It's fine.

It's good.

Because it's bigger than the other one, I know you want it.

It's a little better, too.

Okay.

Yeah, okay.

I'm over here waiting for a telephone call from the president.

Who?

Call the U.S. Well, you had an interesting conversation.

I wanted to thank you for the opportunity.

I was...

I never had a... You know, I...

I don't have a concern about the...

The press, like the UPP and the news stations, they're all fishing around and saying, oh, well, this is a hurry-up thing and so forth and so on.

They don't know what it is.

The reeds also aren't grapes.

The vacuums were out on the land and we sawed it off.

And now they've got to prove that they were right all the time and they weren't?

Hell, I didn't make that up in my mind.

As a matter of fact, I had two or three other names, which you know.

Bill's name, and Klein's name, and Johnson, another judge.

So the mother got here, the mother got here.

Hard way to plant.

They were all there, and the president picks up his mind when he gets ready.

I told Ned I had to ask him.

Baker, right?

But the only ones I read, but I didn't talk to him.

Oh, I know.

That was good for your time.

How I didn't talk to him.

I don't know what he did, but I did talk to him, because I had to urge him to do it.

I remember at 4.30 on Wednesday, we were waiting for his reaction.

See, Chuck had urged me to call time on Newsweek, but as it happened, I got back to us, and they had called me, and I hadn't talked to them before.

I was taking many calls beforehand.

I said, well, nobody knows what is in the president's mind.

So this is a perfect example of the one-man decision that has to be made.

And I don't know what the president will do on Monday or Tuesday, obviously, what he's going to do that wins until the moment comes when I have to decide.

I've got that to be talked with.

I do know that there are other very strong names in this picture.

And he made up his mind then to finally prepare him all.

And when I was searching, the president

And I said, I think this, and no reporter knew.

I said, nobody in the White House knew.

And I said, I think it was the last minute the president might have done something.

So the moment of truth comes and he says, well, I'm not on the balance side too late.

That's my opinion.

That's the way you have to do it.

I said, you've got to keep it open as long as you can.

If you find out they're planning to smash it, you might get no money.

Right.

The men that you thought were good, that you checked around with, were as good as you think.

And finally say, well, let's go over these two, and that's what we did.

And sure, we were very, very serious about it.

We were very serious through Friday, and he mentioned some particular Friday.

I said, all right, let's check him out.

So we were checking him out, but we hadn't decided, because until we decided, they would, until I decided, he doesn't farm.

Mr. President, if the two had come back with better things, if some other person had come in, you know, I bet you don't know yourself what you might have done.

Oh, late Wednesday night, Thursday, you started with those things.

So you had to do it.

No, no, no, I had to do it.

Because I was thinking about a lot of things.

And also I was reading the press and I was aware of it.

But people thought I had letters and wires and calls and people raising hell about the link.

Some about Friday.

Some crazy.

Some bad.

People urging other people.

So you have to find these signs.

That's what's always done.

They don't miss.

But their fight was that the basket was all gone.

and now they got approved, so that rather than say, rather than admit that they were the ones that, it's ridiculous.

In fact, well, we,

I don't know.

I watched the show specifically last night.

The whole idea that all this was...

We used to be, uh, we didn't get the goddamn names out.

We've done this idea that if Walsh is wrong, we say, who the hell do you think's Lisa's name?

We put out their Bibles and everything.

And Mitchell is, uh, Jesus Christ.

I know the goddamn Walsh.

The young woman who got the story from the Wall Street Journal, uh, I saw her after the reception.

And I congratulated him, and I said, Tom, how do you know what to do with something like that?

And perhaps I'm not politically a sauce, but she said, with one pick of a long-distance phone bill, she said, I made quite a few long-distance calls.

Clearly, she called every lawyer on that TV to see if I knew what to do.

But tell her who those names were.

But what they've done, Mr. President, is one school is saying, look, he really wanted Willie.

And Friday, he was all set.

And then he got hooked by the bar, so he had to suddenly jump back to his other truck.

The other school says, look, he had these in his pocket all the time.

He's going to a big charade to build up at the deep.

So they got to both ways, and they're walking both.

And then he doesn't make a difference from the new sales.

Okay, I'd as well try to get him as great as we can.

But in the final analysis,

I had the opportunity to go on television, explain it to maybe 40,000 people, and they are not going to believe that, you know, there's crime on the ground.

That's what I said.

That's what I heard you say.

Two men, you know, who were first in that class.

Now, every parent, every ordinary father says it must be good to be first in that class.

You know, it's simple.

I made a cap.

I made a cap up.

And then, you know, the president of the bar, that's what I came through.

And all this, I mean, all this chatted us in the class.

We had a home run, and now these folks think, well, they should have gone for a basketball, or they should have, you know, could have sat in the middle of the church.

Yeah, that's right.

They should have gone for that pitch.

And then, oh, I don't know, they're up the wall, you know.

Well, they agreed that it was a lie.

Don't you know, I didn't know.

I didn't know.

But they did very faultless, irresponsible reporting.

For the reason that what they didn't understand is that nobody knew what you were doing.

And they said it was going to be frantic.

They were telling the American people something that had no basis.

Because you would not know what it was going to tell you.

Also, on the time track after the bar turned down, a lot of things certainly have to do some consideration to that fact.

And therefore, it might raise a doubt.

Maybe I'm right in that.

They were misjudged to be children.

But take that out with these dope stories.

And then there's the repetitive ones.

I say, look, you guys are in Washington.

You're supposed to be so smart.

If you don't know, don't make the story up.

You know, we don't bring you the math on it, but don't make dope stories that have no basis.

So we make sure to be embarrassed.

And sitting around.

Yeah.

And this is a tense thing.

And I think a lot of people have been around.

That's what matters.

You know, just do a good chuckling at the press, you know, when they know that our side are open, they know that we're going to send them.

They know that the press has been like that, and they know that.

But when they go into my view, it's like that.

But Chuck asked me to give a, give a background of what he did, what he did for you, kind of like that.

Well,

What do you think, does it change the default in this case?

You don't?

There, yes, that's all right.

But I wonder if an APU feed is all it is, and if the White House attempts to explain that, that's not good.

I don't, it's so, this is the, I was on the phone with Ben some way when talking about this, when John Paul came.

Isn't it just as well?

I will speak in English, but then I will have translated sentence by sentence in Spanish.

Yes.

First, Mr. President, I want to thank you very much for taking this call this morning, on this Saturday morning.

And also, Mr. President, while I have you on the phone line, I am looking forward very much to Mr. Finch's report after he pays a visit to Mexico on the trip that I have sent him.

And now that we are talking about the fact that the President is participating with a lot of interest in the report that Mr. Finch will present to me after the trip to the United States of America to take care of his concerns in Mexico.

We will receive Mr. Finch with a great attendance.

And, of course, I'm looking forward to the chance for the President to meet with me personally again, too, sometime this week.

And I would also be very interested in meeting with Mr. Finch.

I agree with Williamson, President, and we have to find a way to do this.

I have called you this morning to present to you my views on a subject I consider to be of the greatest importance, the upcoming United Nations vote on Chinese representation, which will probably occur Tuesday, October 26th.

As you know, I have always held the greatest respect for the independence and integrity of your great country and also of the right of your country.

and its own independent foreign policy.

Mr. President, I was called this morning to present my point of view on a topic that is of utmost importance to me, including the vote that will be held in the United States, probably on March 26, on the issue of Chinese representation in that body.

As you know, Mr. President, I have always had the greatest respect for the independence and the integrity of your great country, and also for the evident right that Mexico has to receive its own foreign policy.

I also cherish our personal relationship and for this reason I'm confident that I can speak to you in the frankest terms about our position on this important issue.

I consider this issue to be one which touches upon the very survival of the United Nations as a viable world body.

Secretary of the State on the complex issue of Chinese representation.

It is my confession that the removal of an honorable member of the United Nations

and any, by any simple majority vote, would be impressive of the most disastrous consequences which could have the most serious implications for the future vitality and survival of the United Nations.

And this is for this reason, for the great respect that I,

and rely upon the traditional friendship which has existed between our two countries, and more importantly, the personal relationship between the two of us, which has been such a great source of satisfaction to me, to urge you to consider voting with the United States in favor of making the issue of the expulsion of the government of Taiwan an important question, and to at the same time support

the United States on the position that this matter should be one of priority during Tuesday's deliberation.

Por este motivo, señor Presidente, y con todo el gran respeto que se merece, me apoyo en la amistad tradicional que he tenido durante tanto tiempo entre las dos naciones, y lo que es aún más importante para mí, las relaciones personales que existen entre usted y yo, entre nosotros dos, lo cual ha sido para mí una fuente de gran satisfacción para instarle a que considere la votación, que acompañe a Estados Unidos en la votación, en el sentido de que la cuestión de la expulsión del gobierno de Taiwán sea considerada como cuestión importante

As you know, Mr. President, my position is that the People's Republic of China, mainland China, should be a threat to the United Nations, but that the Republic of China on Taiwan should not be expelled from the United Nations.

And I think this position is consistent with

And I think that, on the stage,

I realize this is a very difficult and complex issue for your government, and if you can find it possible to vote with the United States and other nations on this issue alone, I would consider it a very great personal favor.

I say all of this with great respect, of course, for the right of you and your government to reach your independent decision.

President, all this means that we are confronted with a very complex and difficult situation.

And I know that the government of Mexico also confronts a decision that will be complex and difficult for the government.

But I would like to say that if you can accompany the United States and other nations

in this conversation, we would be extremely grateful as a personal favor.

And I say this and I want to emphasize and emphasize that I say this within the framework of the greatest respect for you and your government, because I know that your government will have to take the decision to decide.

And I thank you very much for allowing me to pose with your time.

And we do, Mrs. Henson, who is going to be joining me in a few minutes, charged me in sending our very best to Mrs. Henson.

And we look forward to seeing both of you in the near future.

Thank you very much for allowing me to talk about your time on this Saturday morning, and the lady from Texas who is going to accompany me in a few minutes, she accompanies me on our radio, and you and your wife are our best photos, and there is a great hope that we can see you both soon.

Mr. President, I am not having an in-depth study of this matter which is so complex and so important.

We have an opinion that was shaped a part of a long time ago and this represents a problem for us now.

I would like to ask you now, I have a comment upon the Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Rabassa, and my representative of the UN for a meeting this afternoon in which we will discuss this issue.

And I would like to ask if it would be possible to send, either Sunday or perhaps Monday morning, send Mr. Rabassa to Washington or to New York or wherever Mr. Rogers is to talk to Secretary Rogers.

And I think it would be important for Secretary Rogers to hear from Mr. Rabassa today.

I will arrange that.

Secretary Rogers will be going up to the Arch to be there on Monday, the day before the vote.

And I will personally say that we will arrange a time for whoever you want to have a seat.

Yes, I personally will take care of that, Mr. President.

Secretary Rogers will take care of it.

And I will take care of the part of the time that is punctually satisfactory for the representatives of the United States.

Mr. President, I want you to reiterate that Mexico, and I felt personally, are friends of the United States and a few President Nixon, and that we try to find all possible ways of fostering reciprocal cooperation and anything that we can.

But this matter we're discussing has become a very complex one, and this is what I want, Secretary, I'll ask you to translate this, Secretary.

I would like to reiterate that we have a joint common cause and we fight for the same cause on many occasions and so there is a political platform and a basis of friendship which is a very solid one and on this basis I think that we will continue fighting for many of the same causes in the future.

Thank you very much.

Very good job.

Thank you very much Mr. President.

and so forth and so on.

Well, I think that we'll still be friends and all that.

I don't believe I'm sitting in New York.

I always say there's a good chance of getting in.

Why?

I think it's because there may be some things there first.

I think they're likely wanting to go explain why they're going to meet this afternoon.

They're probably trying not to.

I think the secretary has to go.

I just wanted to leave that off and say, look, we've

I think we can call this King.

Stay down there.

Up there.

I didn't talk to Ronnie.

Well, I've been away for a bit.

But Tulsi said you'd talk to him.

And then Zabra said, sure.

Dick could give him this position.

Too aggressive.

Ron, Ron, I just read the briefing this morning.

He sounds very much stupidly discouraged.

It was an open matter up to the end.

Maybe it is, you know, too much or, uh, what do you think?

Well, I kept talking to you just now.

I could say what I could say to you what I told the time.

But clearly, anybody who guessed that you had made a firm decision along the line is playing wrong with you.

And you were keeping, you had several in mind very strongly.

They weren't the six and weren't the two that had made it, who were also very fond of it.

For instance, I'm very fond of the six, because you've got to do those, and also there are others out of consideration.

Yeah.

They, Jerry Garrow tried to steer it right, and he said there was approximately 15 out of consideration.

That's bad.

Some of the names are probably all along the line.

We've been pretty tactful with the events, and yeah.

They got us because they got to do something like this.

It was such a hollow destruction of the home.

And it just destroyed it.

Well, they were, they all built us up for a kill.

And then all of a sudden, they, you know, I just killed somebody.

That's what they're trying to do.

It's going to be different from what I did three or four months here.

And they love them.

This really is a, it's not going to let them.

It's murderous for them.

It's their job.

were basically because they're liberals to begin with, they're against us.

And second, because it's always a job for us to knock on the big man's door.

But the first thing is what they're chasing the most.

They thought, well, we're going to knock the big man's door down.

And also, they're not waiting up to the fact that these guys are very conservative.

And that's what they're scared of.

That's what they're scared of.

That's why when we talked Wednesday, I thought, all right,

He's so reliable, he's so good at one of these things, but we don't really know what he did.

Of course, most of the positions he took, however, were as a lawyer representing the government.

So when he says that I leave the remnants to free speech, or everyone said, or has said, he can really rule that.

If they go into these two, and both may, on the backgrounds of their point of view, when they have this qualification, professionally, legally,

That's going to be, that's going to be a very bad life.

And he must serve, takes that position.

But he's served, he's got the right number of guys.

I don't, I mean, I must say that it must be Kennedy, not at all, not at all, saying, well, I don't know.

Well, say who you're covering when you want me to leave.

I'm going to, I don't know.

I think that if the AP and UT could be insured that this thing was open until the very last minute, not usually, and I haven't been, if they ask me how did I come to know at one point, I can always say that it came at a point where the President had to actually start preparing facts about two men that he put

Yes, we didn't do that.

So at the very end, I was aware of what the mood was.

And I also had talks indicating about the speech.

It was a timely voice.

He must have dictated some of that at night.

Well, I don't like it.

It's just as well not to indicate.

Well, it's all right to indicate that.

But the, I always do that.

I don't want, we want to however feed the fuel of the area.

But I guess what you just said is impressive.

The reason he did it normally, he doesn't have remarks prepared for him.

In this case, he had the biographical, you checked the biographical.

He did the whole speech because of the need for confidentiality.

That's why he did the whole speech.

I saw it.

And Sasha didn't even show it to the hearing panel.

That's true.

That's right.

You might say that again.

And you spent the afternoon revising and editing.

That's right.

You did look at what I think I noticed in the last hour and it's not good enough.

I was like, you'd be aware that you were in rank war, too.

You probably would have told the insurance.

You had this within you.

You had every word that you had.

It's a palace every home and every sense.

You know, you knew that.

It was you completely.

And you might be good at that without the script.

I mean, you're quite good at that.

And the one that was showing us here, of course,

The two men in the line will not leave tomorrow.

Who the hell are they?

Everybody's just waiting on me.

I had a call from him.

I don't know if this will please you or not, but I had a call from him.

It was my friend, you know, his father's steward.

Last night, I had a conference study yesterday.

I said, well, how did they...

So this is the first time I had to come together since the announcement here.

And I said, well, how did they react up there?

He said, well, euphoric.

He said, we were hoping that there would be people this morning.

And he said to the president, Andrew, once again, that's all right.

I think that

Plus, they're lawyers.

They will appreciate it.

They do have to appreciate it.

Excellent.

And they want men who carry that share of the load.

They do.

They realize how spectacular cases are and what's in the news.

But there's a lot of treachery in that court.

And here's a couple of my directors.

You can give them ten cases of railroad reorganizations and one for taxation.

And there's technical cases that...

You seem to know that things get that thick at work.

Something that, uh, some past person might not even realize.

I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll,

Well, we hope so.

You certainly did.

You promised me.

I, I gave the address there.

So did you.

I don't know.

It's good.