Conversation: 601-033
Prev: 601-032 Next: 601-034Start Date: 25-Oct-1971 12:35 PM
End Date: 25-Oct-1971 2:08 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Bull, Stephen B.; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Sanchez, Manolo;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:44:53
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:15:33
NARA Description:
On October 25, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Stephen B. Bull, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:35 pm to 2:08 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 601-033 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 601-33
Date: October 25, 1971
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Time: 12:35 pm - 2:08 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.
[Transcript #1: A transcript of the following portion of the conversation may be found in RG
460, pp. 1-10]
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:35 pm during the transcribed portion.
Bull left at an unknown time before 2:08 pm during the transcribed portion.
Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 12:35 pm during the transcribed
portion.
Butterfield left at an unknown time before 2:08 pm during the transcribed portion.
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[End of transcribed portion]
Media relations
-Backgrounders
-The President’s view
-Kissinger
-Ehrlichman
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Kissinger
-Purpose
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Statement
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
-Walter J. Hickel
-Ehrlichman’s view
Department of Interior
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
-Title insurance
-Miami Herald
-Everglades National Park
-Bid solicitations
-Allegation of Presidential interference
-Miami Herald article
-Robert J. Hitt
-Morton
-Hitt’s and Morton’s efforts
[Transcript #2: A transcript of the following portion of the conversation may be found in RG
460, pp. 1-10]
[End of transcribed portion]
Taxes
Possible proposal
-Value Added Tax [VAT]
-Income brackets
-Federal budget
-Education
-Property taxes
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Aid to parochial schools
-Election concerns
-Aid to parochial schools
-Catholics
Ehrlichman's domestic agenda
-Employment
-Crime
-Environment
-Research and development
-Aged
-Vietnam veterans
-Needs
-Economy
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
-Education
-National Education Association [NEA]
-Ghetto schools
-Aid to parochial schools
-Congress
-Catholic bishops
-John B. Connally
-John A. Volpe
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Mitchell
-Connally and Mitchell
-Charles W. Colson
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Leonard Garment
-Buchanan
-Aid to parochial schools
-John P. Sears
-Robert J. Dole, Gerald R. Ford
-John J. Rhodes
-Hoover
-Tax
-Education
-Colson
-Louis P. Harris
Mills
-Textiles
-Revenue sharing
-Possible political agenda
-Effect on policies
Special revenue sharing
Government reorganization
Welfare reform
-Ehrlichman's schedule
-Russell B. Long
-Wallace F. Bennett
-Abraham A. Ribicoff
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
-Long
-Proposals
-Social Security
-Connally
-Ribicoff
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Eugene S. Cowen
-Administration position
-Revenue sharing
-Connally
-Ehrlichman's staff
-Springfield, Illinois
Economy
-Connally
-Schedule
-Donald H. Rumsfeld
-Paul W. McCracken, Peter G. Peterson, George P. Shultz
-Peterson
-Paul A. Volcker
-Connally, Shultz, McCracken, Kissinger
-Connally’s role
-Surcharge
-Kissinger
-William P. Rogers
-Connally's schedule
-Possible meeting with Ehrlichman
-Japanese
-Peterson
-The President’s view
-Maurice H. Stans
-Connally
-Monetary affairs
-Surcharge
-Kissinger
-The President’s view
-Department of Treasury
-Federal Reserve
-International economic policy
-Surcharge
-Dollar float
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
-Shultz
-Connally
-Staff work
-Peterson
-Possible role
-Connally
-Arthur F. Burns
-Surcharge
-Peterson
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Domestic Council
-Kissinger
-Connally
-Rogers
-Connally
-Ehrlichman
-Shultz
-Peterson’s role
-Department of Treasury
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-Shultz
-Connally
-Peterson
-The President's schedule
-Peterson
-Connally
-Burns
-Burns
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
-Volcker
-Shultz
-Peterson
-Peterson
-Connally
-Shultz
-Connally
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, Kissinger, Ehrlichman
Personnel
-Possible cuts
-Narcotics staff
-Peace Corps
-Public broadcasting
-Congress
-John W. Macy, Jr.
-Possible management changes
-Macy
-Washington Post
-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Department of Transportation
Environment
-US lawsuit
-Ford Motor Company
-Clean air
-Environmental Protection Agency [EPA]
-Justice Department
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
Robert C. Byrd
-Letter to the President
-School busing and integration
-Possible conversation with the President
Ehrlichman's schedule
-School busing
-Meeting, October 26, 1971
-Mitchell, Connally, the President, Colson, Ehrlichman
-Polls
-Democrats
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:35 pm.
The President's schedule
-Executive Office Building [EOB]
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:08 pm.
Economy
-Peterson
-Shultz
-Stans
-Commerce Secretary
[Forename unknown] Allen
Cabinet
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Successor as Secretary of Agriculture
-Bryce N. Harlow
-Clarence D. Palmby
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Henry L. Bellmon
-John C. Whitaker
-Mitchell
-Louis B. Nunn
-The President’s view
-Harlow’s view
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Clint Murchison
-Tobacco
-Connally
-Palmby
-Earl L. Butz
-Benson
-Ehrlichman’s view
Post Office
-Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
-Staff
-Sperry-Rand employee
-Board of governors
-Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
-Magazines
-Subsidies
-Readers Digest
-The President's schedule
-Ehrlichman's meeting with Lewis
-Proposal
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Economy
-Rumsfeld
-Press
Secretary of Agriculture possibility
-Albert H. Quie
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
-William J. Scherle
-US House of Representatives
-Press coverage
-H. R. Gross
-The President’s view
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-Rhodes
-Farmers
-Experience
-Governors
School busing
-Congress
-Courts
-William H. Rehnquist
-Hugo L. Black
Administration's forthcoming concerns
-People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-War in Vietnam
-Busing
-Veterans
-Welfare mothers
-Environment
-Revenue sharing
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 601-33 (cont.)
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Ehrlichman's schedule
-Taxes
-Buchanan
Ehrlichman left at 2:08 pm.