On October 26, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Alexander P. Butterfield, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Manolo Sanchez, White House operator, Peter M. Flanigan, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:01 am and 11:09 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 602-001 of the White House Tapes.
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We ought to play this with state and everybody else, not that we, that the Chinese agreed to let us bring this thing.
If we wanted it, the Chinese really did put the screws on us.
What could we get?
And we're really going to be hard put to get adequate television coverage.
And then we've got to squeeze every spot out to get it.
You're absolutely right.
He has 60 people on that company.
60 people.
That's right.
Everybody's spot on the court.
What they've all done is just what you'd expect.
They all go, you know, bargain for more than they figure they have to have.
We'll squeeze them down.
I'll look over that service, can't I?
I have changed my schedule.
O.T.
would be right here.
We're going to move forward this weekend.
Oh, good.
Okay.
That's good.
Well, hey, did somebody take a picture?
Hey, take a picture.
Right.
And Mrs. Gotti is coming with me.
I want you to get it in the staff.
And in this case, don't get what they were .
I mean, part of the problem, the core thing was that everybody was talking.
It's not as bad, I mean, it works out there, but it might not.
But I did find that the background stuff is generally not very interesting.
We've gone far over by some 90, not 25, I don't think they're not.
to where withholding information and where it was from and so forth.
But these are the bureau issues here.
Alright, fine.
Thank you.
You know what?
I mean, it wasn't, they didn't say they thought we were withholding information.
They said that the back hunters were a phony device because it was no secret who the person was.
But they thought they were good because it, especially in
That's right.
My son goes and serves then.
That's right.
Do you want to be Monday clear so that you can stay down?
Why, absolutely.
The first one, is that?
Yes, sir.
You have a man on Tuesday, so you'd have to come by and help him out.
That's right.
That's right.
Monday will be clear.
So they need to find out something then.
All right.
Absolutely.
Did you ever, you know the picture they brought out of the magazine you saw in a lot of those papers, Khrushchev and me talking in the kitchen?
You know, the man is my lover.
I've heard that, that expression.
Really good, right?
David said, he says, that expression, I'm like, I said, well, why don't you call my valedictorian and check with David's expression.
Here with his huge staff, you know,
They were scallying all around us.
Nobody just noticed the facial resemblance.
There was a freshman who was just coming.
Partied in the kitchen later.
In the kitchen.
Back in the kitchen.
That means that maybe on my right, Khrushchev was facing and the freshman was on my left.
That's our next issue point.
It's a good point for somebody to get out of it.
I mean, it's embarrassing for the press guys if they wouldn't notice it.
They're gonna have another advance party, I understand, too.
The guy who should help us, I don't know.
I guess the party's gonna keep it low-level.
He's there, Steve Henry, away from here, he's willing to go by.
He's not gonna go, which he probably, I get it, he said a word about it, but he probably won't.
But, see what he's got is, I had a problem, trying to get a face-off with him actually.
Russia, that is unbelievably naive and wrong.
Well, does the European think the possibility is a counterpoint to that?
There's going to be a security conference.
There's going to be a security conference.
But I didn't talk to Bush for it.
I think if you gave him that, he could, it's a way to divert it from, just that you can't go to Moscow, but I do want you to sign up the European leaders, European leaders, maybe make it an intensive one, not just the big ones, but all of them.
And not have the NATO team, but individual teams with heads of state.
And recall all that people.
I would ask you to receive Secretary Rogers.
Henry cannot treat, he just cannot treat their own people like children.
I mean, we know Rogers, but he's, he's, he's... Well, Henry's European guy should go with him.
He's the second level guy to...
I guess he should be working staff work on the substance of the Moscow visit.
That would be the point.
Good.
And then that, what Bill's looking for is a way to look like he's involved, and that would do it.
That would do it as well, maybe better than the Moscow thing.
I think he'd argue it at the point that he did not lower himself to a Kissinger-level type trip to Moscow as a head advance man, which is what he would look like if he went to Moscow.
He'd say, hey, this doesn't work, so you have to do it.
I don't understand what you're talking about.
We will not do anything, as I've already told you.
We can't until after we get through the next true death.
Which is no problem, sir.
Nothing to lose.
Sir, there isn't any problem.
I don't want to ask how they went to court or to a trial.
to consider what you want as the advanced line on the truth, because they're, what the strategy is, maybe it's done, but if it's done, then we ought to decide to have it.
There is a strong, as you've probably seen, a strong, because we're going to make it by half right now, to start building an over-anticipation.
I'm sure it's intentional.
Sure.
That's good.
If you want to let it go, like we did two years ago in November.
And then you go your own way.
Or maybe we want to start discounting everything now so that the company can track this.
That's all I thought, right?
I thought my breakers, the crew, the king of it, just stay at home.
And what's gonna happen, we'll be home.
Since we're not gonna make a final announcement at this point, that's all.
Yeah.
It would be well advised now, you know, to spend time here.
You've got to get used to that.
I understood that the Greek name would be Jesus Christ.
He was parked around over there for a week.
That original.
And the...
It takes too long, he just does it.
You know, in Greece, I've only stayed in Greece for over, for a solid week.
He's there from Saturday to Saturday.
That's ridiculous.
Go ahead and spend a couple days with him.
That's ridiculous.
I don't think he has any, any thought of anything.
That's fine.
Besides the world situation and shit.
Okay.
I mean, talk to us.
That's trouble.
Kings and Shepherds.
I mean, I didn't mind meeting the gunners and making them a picture of the paper, but they didn't have anything to tell me.
I didn't know them.
except that the Russians would be glad to see it, which you already did, I thought so.
I did think the ambassador was very good, and I knew that.
Now, the foreign policy spotlight now seems to me for the next six, next four or five months ought to swing
to your church, and that's it.
Also thanks to a couple of candidates in the India caucus who sent more, or whatever, on that.
So please, listen to them.
Thank you, Allison Harris.
I think we've got a good positive.
Thank goodness for the U.S., they don't have some negative amounts.
You could see on the evidence, it is going to be, it is negative, it is negative.
And the rest of it, hold on.
Basically, it was going to happen.
A lot of us could not.
It was going to happen.
A lot of us could not.
And people think that.
And I must say that Rogers hated us.
I mean, I don't know what the best they could have done.
Raven called you after midnight last night.
He said he's going to call back this morning and will speak to no one other than you.
So he shouldn't have to take it.
That may take the place of meeting with him, because you didn't have him.
Yeah, he's back.
You should probably call him, because you haven't told him.
I had a problem having him yell at her.
I'm over there too.
And he'd come back and report it.
And I would have to believe me.
I didn't think he was going to be right with me.
I sent him on a trip.
I said, give me the presidential plane.
I said, we've done it twice.
And he's played our game, too.
He's played our game.
What I had is, though, I don't think he finds out the fact that I'm
Did you ever think we could?
Well, we did.
We thought we could.
Well, I think we did.
We couldn't play down the blocking.
Apparently, we could do this.
There's, of course, I don't know how much of the story of what was done behind the scenes.
You want to get out at some point.
You may want to do that.
No.
I don't think you're going to have to.
We don't want to because of Henry's problem and the others.
I'm back in preservation so long.
I want you to give me your report on that.
Yeah.
Well, I haven't heard of him.
Seems to me that we have got to play our bit.
RV issues.
That's all we can do from now on.
Do the best we can on the economic issue because all that matters there is what happens.
And that's just not happening.
And we hope.
And keep calling, roaring around as much as we can.
It's interesting how you miss him when he's around and around.
Yeah, he's got a problem now.
He's gone again next week.
And so it's been inverted on.
And he says, oh, it's here.
And he'll continue to do it.
But we realize how colorless Scholes and McCracken and all the rest are when you have only them around, don't you?
Well, it may be that this Judge Polk has turned out to be a real struggle, too.
Apparently, people think he's pretty good.
Apparently, he's, well, you can go bad or good.
He's apparently fairly colorful.
He just might be very useful in that whole thing.
We're going to run into 315.
I'm going to go to his apartment, check it in, have a shower, get cleaned up.
I'll see you at 6.30.
It's gonna be fine.
I've already held off on company land on the Georgia-Taylor.
So, we'll have to get back up as soon as possible, okay?
That's the best way to do it, Joe, is to get angry at me.
Have at it, buddy.
Try, of course, to keep our word in line with this.
Anyway, Schultz continues to work at it all the time.
We had this wage price raise and all this farting around.
We'd be in a real big bubble with the economy.
Maybe not because it's bad, just because people talk about us being bad.
God damn it.
Anyway, it's moving along about even.
Just like it's really like it was in the Kennedy period.
God damn thing to do about it.
Stay close to the face.
Face to the nose.
That is vision.
I'm going in.
Well, the announcement of Pat's trip, I've worked that out.
For, uh, uh, to act.
You just work it out and I'll break it down.
And be sure that she knows that it's being announced.
It should be announced.
uh from the white house from this side you know what i mean with connie knowing that she's going to represent the president so she doesn't equate that maybe tomorrow so there's a loss okay now don't worry about it
Other shops just announced this park, and then if other shops should follow, not simply let me out.
That's right.
Let me in and just say that she's going.
Don't say it.
Who is going with her?
And that's her.
She's going.
You've got to borrow my courage to get this on track.
And Roger, some of these people on the tracks, my courage is to borrow your courage.
I heard it for a little bit about a couple weeks ago, something from your shop or something, a $3.75 president or something.
Do you know what it was?
Do you recall?
No, I don't think so.
Who's it from, Donna?
The attorney's office.
Yeah, well, that's all right.
But there was another, it was What's Up Donuts, another country that had asked, all right, just be sure to check over anything that's been approved and turn it off if it was not, if they didn't vote with us, do you understand?
Just be sure to turn it off and there's no, don't even submit to me the problem that we have that it's difficult to turn it off since you've already accepted it, just turn it off on the ground, I'll be on account, okay?
No, I don't know what you mean.
There was one thing that happened to this half hour meeting.
Somebody that's going to be here.
He said, all right, I'll do it.
One of the core things turned out exactly like that.
as well as it could possibly happen in view of the way it had to be handled.
Well, and it gives you a hell of a good balance on the other hand, on the right wing.
Good.
To the plan.
Good.
Because I want you to get what we can on the tournament.
We expect that to... We fought this stand-in-channel as hard as we can.
And this right wing is better.
My view is that you ought to get a pass.
This is the only exception I would make.
I'm not telling anybody the best I can understand this right now.
He's going.
That's what I would do.
I'd say, now you're, you've made this decision.
I'm telling everybody.
You're going to go.
He uses me.
He can learn history, whether he writes history or he's talking about history.
He's involved in a lot.
So any history he writes will come out.
Good God almighty.
He's quite a veteran.
Why not?
We've got to let him know all the same.
He's very good at writing stuff.
He's very good at writing stuff.
All that sort of thing.
He is a citizen.
He's got to be alive.
But why him?
I thought we were going to have private meetings.
I ended up having every one of the rockers outside.
Well, you know, we kicked him on that.
And that isn't exactly the way he was putting it together.
He had to change on that, as I probably told you.
Right.
No, wait.
I had a sense of it.
He was going to have him in all those meetings.
That's right.
I thought that's wrong.
God damn it, you can't do that.
That's right.
You can't beat everyone.
Beat yourself.
As long as you have something with nobody there, you can solve the problem.
Perfect.
I guess you can't have everyone follow along.
Oh, I'm sure we'll always be there.
I don't care who's there right now.
That's right.
It's on our side.
We want to be alone on our side.
I mean, I'm just not going to hang with you there and so on and so forth.
And we've got to watch this situation.
I've marked several things here where you're on the river.
The mythology on Henry being built up.
And you're aware of it, aren't you?
Yeah.
It's just a star.
I don't know if it's been done in other places, too.
But the radar's going the same way.
I just think it's going to do something.
I don't know why.
He must have called us.
I don't remember spending any time with him.
Does anybody on the staff, if they don't have the ability to meet you, he writes the best column of anybody in Washington at the present time.
He writes like Lyle Wilson, Ted Wilson, and Gould.
He used to write a lot of years ago.
He must be fine.
What do I call this?
Butterflies, moths, what is it?
Plenty.
Impressed people that inevitably go away.
Mark people.
Dwarven people.
They just cropped, cropped.
Fascination.
I had the order to stay away from the goddamn New York Times.
We sat down around the rest of the day, all of a sudden, huh?
That's fair.
The men who are more aggressive, the enemies, are generally more able, they're sure to have a large influence.
And they're more prestigious of them.
There's reasons, far more, far more security.
It's snuggly.
Yeah.
That's Henry.
It's a social thing, though.
You don't talk to, you know, some little guy who writes for the Knoxville Journal.
That's right, and we had a lot of tribute.
All the time getting to talk to Vanderlande.
I know it was right and favorable both on foreign policy.
And I, uh, I, uh, I just never heard of Frank Vanderlande.
But they all went over to, you know, suck around.
That's why the establishment types always get the appointments of the establishment types.
And this is, uh,
Jeremy, Jeremy, it's difficult.
It's going to be difficult for him not to throw his weight around.
What do you want me to do?
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to.
You can create our interview.
Can you rewind?
Don't you?
He does, but there's some compulsion here that didn't start for him.
Getting back at this U.N. thing, we must not be a bit defensive with these rioters.
Now, we can do that, but I'll leave that to them.
They've got the right way.
It's just got us at the base of something here that we have a couple of enemies.
I can't fault Ryder for pushing on this.
It kind of burns this room.
I'm getting proud of him.
He's just as well to have a boat out on the other side of the ocean.
A month before the election.
That would be prime session.
We would have us on February, beginning of February.
And then come up again, and we'd have to do it, which I was going to do it a month before election.
By then, people would have forgotten.
Except for the radical fringe.
They'll be out.
They'll be crawling around.
And you're down here, the guy that showed up with what he had in mind.
But they're going to do that.
As we were talking, they're trying to, they're trying to trip whether, beginning of whether Taiwan's in or out.
Well, he had a very good procedure.
I know a lot of people don't know that yet.
I do.
But Will lost one of his.
The young have some potential out there.
They don't understand any of the reasons why you shouldn't be here.
They forgot the Cold War.
They know nothing about it.
They said they're not a challenge.
They're radicals.
It's a waste of time to even see the leadership.
I'd like to know so that it may help a little with the Peterson thing.
The man who poured that shot, it's not his second man, but it's Rudy Flanagan.
Peterson, please.
Flanagan is bugged out.
That's the real problem.
Peterson's piece, he just recently
I don't know what he's talking about.
To, you know, stand up to a cop.
But I think it would be, he'd just be raising the towel.
Go ahead.
A cop.
Having any success in the security area, I'm trying to learn and try to make a run by others.
Right.
Paul B, who's just 13-something, I may as well keep heart in this guy, Paul B. Paul B, Paul B, Paul B has all heart inside of him.
And none of his children.
Have you written on about that?
Well, the best is the problem.
I don't know.
Maybe Bryce is overdoing that.
But we'll see.
Yeah, he's in a hang with this.
He's having problems, you know.
I want somebody to tomorrow.
You know, I've got to get him.
You know, I've got to get him.
Get up.
Okay.
Their name is quite a curious one.
This is not this one.
Excuse me, Ben Lawson.
This is not the true one.
Anything else?
All right.
Don't even tell Donnelly anything.
You just tell the others that it's 3 o'clock now.
And tell the others that...
He knows he's coming to the White House, so I'll see him and I'll have him at the EOB.
Well, I believe you're going to come in tomorrow.
I'm going to 3 o'clock today, and I think there are a briefing tomorrow.
That's an hour tomorrow, 3 to 4.
All right, all right.
3 to 5 tomorrow.
Now you, you've got to let that Reagan call come true.
The usual pictures and so forth.
We've had quite a lot of calls from trying to get you to do this for us.
You're going to have a great day.
All right, all right.
We take you to your restaurant.
We didn't do it just for the press.
We never did it for the press.
We had about 600,000 people turn up.
Cigarette all the way on the airport, Beth.
Sometimes.
Sure.
Do you prefer tea?
Yes, sir, I love tea.
I like tea, you know.
Me, too.
Well, I, uh, uh, the, uh, the press ticket, uh, I wouldn't prefer anything other than a visit to your hometown.
Come on, come on.
Say hello to me, or you'd be, I saw.
But, uh, Nance, talk about, uh...
But now you never know that the Indians turned out like that.
Some of the bitches are just not going to give it a credit to the market, but the Indians really turned out.
And the Greeks were probably extremely informed.
Very much so.
They freed the roads.
They turned in on the droves.
Of course, it made it impress me that they were building their catacombs.
Those people were walking around in those crowds.
They don't even have as much security as we have.
Proposition is sacred, praying, vitriol every day, pushing them under the hotel doors over there.
They've all been praying about it.
The president was made in the days of the freedoms.
How was the presence with you this time?
Good.
Good.
They said, you know, they were a group of followers of your heart, but what I did really was just a little bit of a presence.
Sure.
Sure.
Then I called a few of my friends.
He said, well, I'm sure that universe is very good.
Oh, sure.
Then I called them.
So you want to press it now?
Yeah.
That's good.
And, uh, we, uh, we, uh, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,
Are they, are they, are they, are they, are they, are they, are they, are they?
What I did hear, Mr. President, is that you hear a few memos of conversations that I did not think you would say.
These are the only ones.
Good.
Never worry.
You need your own reasons.
One is a long conversation I had for seconds.
And the other is... Oh, yeah.
The other's conversations have not been up for seven or six hours.
And they're very interesting.
Yeah, let me ask you, what do you think of the guest coming to the great business?
I think it's both great.
You know, I mean, you know, the one in principle, the Constantine side, who, first, Tom Patterson, on the other side, looked at him.
What do you think we should do about Greece?
Well, I think that we did some good at these conversations.
First of all, Constantine matured a tremendous amount since he was here after the Eisenhower funeral.
He's much more realistic about his situation.
He wants to go back very much.
They don't want him here.
They don't want him here.
except under certain circumstances, and maybe not circumstances, he can reach the difference.
He made a definite proposal to the Senate.
What he's suggesting is that he go back, that Papadopoulos come, dwell in him, come to balance, present his resignation as prime minister.
He will have his talk at a reappointment as prime minister.
to provide something to cut out all this criticism about those steps toward humanitarian democracy.
But Elvis doesn't trust me very much.
He's afraid of him.
Do you solve issues?
Well, he says that he hasn't sorted too much of the black and white groups.
I think it's possible to solve the thing.
I think it looks encouraging if we can keep the state held down.
Well, Satan, for Christ's sake, said, I'm not going to do something.
I was not in that.
You know, and after you were there, he said, the State Department is still strictly critical of the Greek government and so forth.
And I did it every time.
I must say, Roger's just good at it, too.
But I did it every time.
I said, I don't care.
I'm not going to criticize the Greek government.
I have my ambition.
You see, what the government's had to do is toward the United States, not what it does in its own country.
I would prefer to do other things, but that's there, something I'm not going to get into.
Jesus Christ, I've been here a while.
Do you know, do you know that I'm a free press?
That I'm a sin?
What the hell are they talking about?
You know, that I have a person that you look at and say,
They say, well, in our countries, in the low countries, they're opposed to degrees there.
It's not so fine.
What are you going to do with trade?
Tens of thousands for 20 divisions?
About 3% of the day.
Well, in the name of France, we're talking about.
So I feel very strongly about it.
But I depend on the other hand.
That's my public position on the other hand.
for their own good, they ought to just do something with it.
Put it in their nature.
Do what they can, please.
That's exactly what I told them.
If you read these books, you'll see.
I hope you will.
I read them all the time.
I transfer them to you.
When they came, I used to, I saw him when I was out of office in 1963.
He had something, well, he had, the president, he sponsored a lot in 1963.
A lot of non-communication there.
I was able to disperse some rumors that the government had
For example, the king wants them to send him a colonel of their choosing, if they think he's seeing people he shouldn't see.
Send him a colonel of their choosing to stay with him all the time in Italy, and send him some money so he could use some protection.
I'm not seeing any of these people.
Let him recite the case to show that he is violently against Papa Graham, where he's the bad boy.
Yeah, he is the bad boy.
He passed out a case where he was the king of the Jewish country that was premiered.
Word came out that Andreas was consorting as a member of the government with the communists.
So he braced Georgia.
And it's all related in the conversations demanded that the Jewish should stop that and get rid of it.
Also, he has
The king has said, authorized us to say, probably, and this is something that the regime didn't understand, that he supports our aid in Greece.
He said it would be an unpatriotic act for him to oppose aid in Greece.
But that's not generally, these things aren't generally known.
But I was able to tell Bob that I was in these six hours of private conversations, a lot of things, positions that came to him that he didn't really understand.
Do you think you faced him?
I think we did, yes.
He looked very conciliatory.
I didn't pressure him.
I tried to get his confidence.
Yeah, yeah.
I said that, though.
Yes, sir.
What was his name?
Oscar.
Oscar.
Oh, Harry, he talks to you, of course, aren't you?
You don't like him?
What's the trouble?
I mean, he just doesn't...
He talks to you.
He talks to your game.
He talks to somebody else.
He talks their game.
It's an all-state environment routine.
Really?
That's...
Son of a bitch.
I'm surprised at that.
I may be wrong, but that's my...
I came...
I took...
He knows exactly what I told him to do.
Go on over there.
He came by three times.
We had a reception.
And he just stayed by the advice of people that the regime was on the outside.
They had been highly critical of them.
And I said, no, I don't invite anybody that's going to make them leave the reception and create an incident.
I'm going over there to make friends.
Get as many people in as you can, but don't insist on people that they're not going to get along with.
That girl has to stay busy.
He came back to me three or four times trying to...
cancel reception, it was bad business.
We stuck it out and finally we got only about five people that we had no money.
And these were people who greeted me on my arrival to the public statement asking me what the hell I was doing in Greece.
So I had to leave.
I don't think talk is strong.
At least, you know that story.
Do you remember when I came back from Singapore, I told you that you wanted a replacement over there, and I told Rogers, and he said, yes, we're going to do it.
Also, the guy with the weight caused the trouble.
I understand that hasn't been done yet.
This has been a lot.
Also, lean back out here to our private source at the working state as well.
They're just going to sit it out and we'll forget it or something like this.
I'll find out.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
No, no.
But my dad, I believe, while he was in Alabama, last year, he was on the county.
He said the guy, the nice guy, he's just a lightweight.
That's a cross.
And I heard a quake with a telephone.
I remember we were here sitting there.
He said that, uh, he knows I'll be there, but we need to take care of him.
But that's him.
Now, I'll get Hayden to work on it.
And we had a statistician who said he may have not followed up on the goddamn thing, but I know, I know Bill told us specifically, he was in B, you remember.
He said we'll take care of all of those things.
All right, let's be done.
How about that?
How about that?
I think that's better.
Better idea here.
I'm glad I had a priest.
Well, I'll tell you, we worked our tail off on that.
You know, I made telephone calls to Argentina, Mexico, Bolton, which we got.
And Morocco.
That's the same.
But they were a big cast, but we should have had them up there, you know what I mean?
The whole Arab world is so far.
But you really can't fault what the Rogers and Bush today were.
We just turned our tails off, 54 to 59, and got out of the Irish enemy, man.
Now here they are.
They're getting the hell kicked out of them.
They're having a terrible fight with the British instead of going to Britain.
With us, they go to Britain on this issue, and there's nothing there for them.
And, uh, they're doing it because that damn Irish air bombing thing, you know, this small thing like that.
Of course, the worst of the countries that really gave us the kick were the goddamn Afghans.
And I told them, uh, maybe they've just forgotten two or three we got.
But I am, uh... Yeah.
Yeah.
Would you follow up on something?
Uh, the Vice President came back from his, uh,
trip to uh to southeast asia and he had made the bill rogers and he mentioned they want you i specifically requested he should have a new ambassador and stand for it because cross is a weak system and the rogers said i agree we'll get you one and he said and i heard also said we should have one of cooley because the guy is a and dylan rapid even said oh i know i know he's he's got an emotional problem
And the driver said, you can do something.
This was six months ago.
Now, nothing has been done.
I didn't want you to follow up in a discreet but varied and vicious way to get those goddamned people out of there.
Now, OK. Have you heard about these two?
Well, there's something wrong here, because you just raise your foot over there and say that we had this assurance at that time.
And the device driver had mentioned this to the driver.
The driver said, they're going to do something about it.
I said, what the hell is happening?
Okay.
I guess they'd like us to resist this Chinese.
He wouldn't dare.
He wouldn't dare.
Malaysia the same.
They wouldn't dare.
There it is.
It's pretty tough for them.
Wild people like that.
I think what we have to take is that we made a call to fight and we continue our relations with Taiwan, our treaty, et cetera, et cetera.
But let me tell you, despite what Nashville had to say, I see some people already saying, well, let's continue to support the UN and so forth, but for your private information.
appropriation.
I don't give one damn.
And also, we've got to do one other thing, which Roger's mentioned, which is accounting money, too, which I'm very much for.
We've got to change our, we've got to get a lot of the money that we're putting into this multilateral, multilateral
You know, all these agencies, and we got, well, I had all the rest and so forth, and get it on a biological basis.
As Roger would say, the situation there is better now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's not getting worked up.
Yeah, fine.
Fine.
He's going to, I guess, he's going to say something new.
I think that's probably the way to handle it.
Yeah.
All right, fine.
All right, fine.
We have got to get strong.
And these goddamn little African countries, and some Latin American countries, but particularly the African countries, who think they can, you know, cover up when they have soccer and so forth, and we put up the money for these model Arab organizations and the rest.
Well, the hell with that.
the Chinese side, or the Russians with Pipsqueak will showcase that, correct?
And have struggle with it.
And we don't have.
Well, it's not going to be that way.
On the U.N.,
The way I would put it, you'd be asked, I'd simply say, well, that we think it was a very unfortunate way, and I think the line is very good, but it clearly was hard for the issue of Taiwan.
And Taiwan, in thinking that the present of having many nations fell for the United Nations by a simple majority vote is a very dangerous present.
Who knows what's going to happen?
For example, Portugal might be next.
South Africa might be next.
You know, they go right down the list.
Because you see, the United Nations now has a collection of polyglot, pipsqueak little countries, and they'll start right down the list and kick out countries that they think are practicing genocide or racism or this or that.
You know, you can kick your race out.
Huh?
That's the thing.
That was the area that I paid to the Mexicans when I called Judaria.
But I think that line should be taken.
And it's unfortunate, but believe me, we pulled every string we could.
It was inevitable.
You see, long before the Pekingism was announced, you see, we had lost, the Italians had already recognized, the British had already recognized, the French had already recognized, the Canadians had already recognized.
So in other words, the votes were probably against us anyway, but it's one of those things.
But what is disturbing to me is that the U.N., despite when the United States asked them, and we did, the greater domestic, to leave these little countries, you just couldn't tell them off.
Well, that's 54 of them did, and 59 didn't.
And the other countries were the worst, because they were terrible.
How can this Council of World Governments, the Council for Human Rights, and all these people,
abused the Greeks, and us, they didn't worry about the Chinese.
So where are the rights then?
Where do the right stand on this?
Well, they've used the Greek response, but they say it's not the human response.
What do you mean?
Our policy is to see everybody and have good relations with everybody, which is a very solid policy.
But then these people say, oh, it's fine to see a totalitarian on the left, but not a totalitarian on the right, assuming they're totalitarian.
It's like in Spanish.
But my view, my policy view is a very strong magnetic energy up here, you know, we're having.
Brazil, well, you can imagine how many people we're raising now.
We're not going to have anybody from Latin America.
We're going to have Uruguay or, well, we haven't got so far as to say Chile at the moment.
Well, God damn it.
Brazil is the biggest country.
He's the president of that country.
And they're our friends.
They always go with us.
So we have them.
I was disappointed in the shot, I swear.
Yeah, he was a bad guy.
He was a bad guy.
Did you ask him?
Yes.
What did he say?
Well, he'd taken it under reconsideration, and then he came back and said he was going to abstain all the way through, which he did.
He said he was going to abstain on the fourth question.
He didn't get back to me.
He got back through Garfield.
But, uh...
Well, I suppose they have floors over there and all sorts of stuff, and they want this, they want that, and they help that, and then when it comes to a place where you can help us, we can help you.
I think part of the reason is that people have gotten away with that in the United States in the past, and now, we've got to not let them get away with it in the future.
That's really what you've got to do.
And also, we've got to remember, we have this, what do you say, the devil's man in the Congress?
I see our Grand Matthias jumped into the breach.
How do you know he landed the budget?
Well, he lived 10 hours on the road.
Well, let me say the way I feel.
I'd simply not get into the position.
of advocating because we'll be, you'll then be definitely, let me just say, honorable choice.
And by God, he's gonna, he's not gonna, this history of it will be done.
There's more desire to cut it than leave it.
325 or 30 congressmen signed a letter to me about the Taiwan thing.
You're damn right serious.
And the
I don't think more.
I don't think much.
I probably told him a lot, but probably not.
He's a very old man now.
Very nice still, very sharp.
Very sharp, very sharp, but they don't consider him that important to them, I guess.
That's my new thesis today.
Let me tell this cow.
The cow, one thing that we, did you see the shot of someone?
No, he shows me the diagram.
that Sadat had done for him about the pullback points and the sign-on.
It was quite detailed.
I think Sadat has gone as far as he can go.
I don't think he can do anything else.
He can't do anything else, Sam.
What do you think?
I think we're too pro-ish.
I think we just had some high-level meetings.
I said, I wanted to go to Egypt.
She said, I don't want to get you over there and talk to her.
I said, I don't want to get you over there and talk to her.
She's the problem.
She's the problem.
They didn't care about that age.
None.
I must say, here's one place where it stayed over.
Some of it was rocky up there.
I was outside so I stood there.
The Israelis are just raising hell all the time.
Well, didn't we just come out with another strong statement for additional aid to Israel?
Yeah.
It doesn't mean much.
Probably.
Everywhere I go on the air, it's nothing.
I saw the aimers away again.
I saw the Saudis again.
Over there, you're out at this minute.
They all swear that Sadat, given the slightest encouragement, is going to get the Russian down.
They say he's not getting any encouragement.
And the Shah, in that way particularly, when he came up with this proposal for an Arab withdrawal, I thought it was pretty sensible in a way to have the UN love for Sadat on the sideline.
And they left Sharm el-Sheikh to the Israelis.
I made arrangements to go to that dinner.
I would assume, of course you should, but I would assume that she would not come and let them have war while she's here.
But, uh,
Well, I'll tell you one thing.
If they get involved in a scrap with the Pakistanis, I'll leave the charge to them.
I'll tell you the history completely.
And we just, they are really big.
The audience just don't ever, in my opinion, as far as he can go, he's offering to pull back.
He's done a number of things in India and Arabia.
He's trying to make East Pakistan disintegrate.
That's what it looks to me.
And the big guy, they're holding him.
Oh, yes, yes.
Well, that's easy.
Yeah, I know, I know.
But they say, how can we let a man go?
Let a, you know, basically it's a trick, you know, that sort of thing.
We're working on that.
I mean, see if they could, you know, present an act of symbolism, let it go, and do it.
But the Indian Pakistan is the hottest one of them all.
I always think that getting back to the UN thing, I think we just have to hold the hands of our people as well as we can.
And it's a matter of fact that the UN doesn't extend itself one hell of a lot of honor here in the United States.
The people here are willing to have DKF, but they have lower, not willing to have Taiwan.
Taiwan having more people than over half the members of the UN.
The organization is a monstrosity.
A monstrosity.
Do you remember my comment on the NSCB?
I don't think they even really served their purpose.
I think they were bilateral.
I think we can do it.
That was when P. King and Moscow get the Dango on this thing, which they're proud of, the free-breaking battery.
They have public relations for them.
That's right.
That's right.
Well, they... unless you could get something...
They came out to the right.
They...
I gave all that to P. King and Moscow.
their own interests are so antagonistic that they may have to find themselves, for reasons that they dislike each other, or that they dislike us, they may find themselves in a lot more than we are.
But, you should see, you know, the NATO countries, though, really are out-disciplined.
Good God, we keep NATO alive, and we fought to keep the race of energy in the countries.
It's not all sad.
I was trying to read what the, the Netherlands, they get nothing, nothing, nothing.
So their effort, military effort is minuscule.
Belgium, you've got Lithuania, you've got Norway, Norway, Denmark.
Oh, yeah, Denmark, terrible.
Denmark, that's one of the worst in their one of their trades.
I must say, those are the countries that disturb you.
The French are playing a lousy role here too.
Oh, they've been a thorn in the system.
Yeah.
Yeah, they've not started.
The idea is they're getting ready to give us an economic kick.
They've resented us economically all these years, and now here's a chance.
Policy is the main factor here.
But on that store, I'm going to see Connolly later today.
And we're going to have to go over this.
We do love this.
This is very challenging for us.
But we've got to take a little heat on that.
We should give it up for a two-three.
Why do we take up so many things?
So they're going to try to give us a kick in the heart if they want to play that role.
We're stronger than they are.
We're going to bargain.
As a matter of fact, the way I look at it, I see it now, it's very likely that if you won't check, you can separate it.
At least they're not very good.
All the way.
This boat, they were very hard to invest in.
Very difficult.
Very difficult.
And now we're to pay back.
And the others are the Germans.
The Germans are...
Are they going to do something about it?
Because of that, while you were gone, of course, we had the court thing.
They are too dead to have been.
I'd say they're out of their ring, but still already.
Oh, shoot.
They're going to really go after your civil rights right now.
Yeah.
That's right.
They cannot.
They cannot refuse to confirm it.
Why can't you?
Because they, uh...
So what is your civil rights right now?
You can come and pay today and all that stuff.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
He had a good letter.
Which is true.
The best lawyers in the Laker, except the people when they're on the circuit, because they don't go around so split and relax to get done.
No.
They really avoid it.
The top players you know, the great firms, you don't see their names in the paper.
You don't see their names in the paper.
They talk about them.
Well, anyway, Brandon Listow is the
He says the brand's smart.
Smart.
He'll probably be the best judge in court.
That's my judgment.
In view of the fact that he's made because of his brains.
His brains and talents.
He's got strong, strong, strong convictions.
He'll narratively take it into the Georgetown crowd.
And I guess that little firework is okay.
Number two, three, one.
And that'll point out the fact that he is a conservative.
Powell, where's the canonicals, Powell?
I bet you could get, uh, Cussler confirmed by the Senate.
I bet you could get him confirmed by the Senate.
Oh, sure.
Horton, right?
Or Horton.
Or Ramsey.
Ramsey, Clark, for sure.
Or Horton.
Or, uh, or, uh, a different level of magnitude.
You could take, uh, the dean of the Harvard Law School, or Lee, or Shepard, or the rest.
All of them are rather, rather nice, but, uh...
but basically liberal lawyers.
That's right.
But you could take her.
I had no lawyer.
I had a counselor.
They'd approve.
I think they would.
They would.
Really?
The whole thing is ideological.
That's why I love to say it to them.
I mean, I say, look, I'm a white, but you have to be conservative to make this go well.
What the hell?
That's what I said I'd do.
You know, in 16, I said it over and over again.
We're going to have, we're going to change the balance in the court, and now we do it.
And they know this.
And we should really hit this hard.
I think this should be a hell of a theme at our, these dinners that they're going to have.
We should hit the fact that we're, I think that we're going to strengthen the peace forces in this country.
The country wants it.
I think, when I say the country, I mean most of it does.
Now you can see me standing right at this, you know, I'm in a runner.
I had this nice dream about today, isn't it?
Everybody did a straggling thing, I don't know, hell.
You know, what I was going to say is that with regard to the Vietnam thing, if that question is raised after a run,
First of all, they're trying to get the impression around that because the last vote in the House was the closest vote.
They're forcing the administration, in particular, forcing you to change the timetable or speed up the timetable.
They're not having one damn bit of effect.
I think that you know.
The second part is that take the success of our policy.
The cash is last week for five.
This week, they're going to be six.
Now let's, what the hell, I mean, we have wound up in the war.
Then the third thing is that in terms of, in terms of, well, what they're doing, it's just a crass agenda on their part to, when they know that, and here it is, the people that got us into the war are now trying to sabotage our efforts to get us out, and when they know
that we have a program that will succeed, will succeed in keeping the South Vietnam Treaty counted at the Congress against third world.
It will succeed also, it has its one-sixth goals, getting back our people, and they say, oh, well, we're going to pass the Congressional Resolution saying within six months we'll do this and that.
All it can do is simply remove
any bargaining power we have with the enemy.
On another front, and that is that we might say, or that we might bump the hell out of it, which we might do.
You see what I mean?
This old guy, I think this, don't go, Scott and others have gotten out the impression, which is wrong, that when I make the next announcement, or in the middle of November,
in that ballpark circuit before maybe we're going to announce a total withdrawal by a certain time or something in order to keep that house in the center.
Don't vote for that one because we might not do that.
See what I mean?
We may have to, because of the POW thing, play a very different game.
We may have to make a more modest announcement.
There is.
That's the point.
There is.
We'll know when another, as a matter of fact, this is one of the
which we can't say, one of the benefits of both the Soviet and the Chinese meeting is that both the Soviet and the Chinese now, we know, are leaning on the North Vietnamese.
How much they have leaned, we will know within three weeks.
And that, if they have a lead or not, then we'll have to go another route.
If they have a lead or not, there's a chance for a negotiation.
If there is, this will be, of course, this will pull the rug out of one of those people who's never been pulled out.
But the reason that I want to be sure that our Republican Party is not one that we have no choice in, because the Congress is breathing down our neck, that we're going to have to announce it.
Because we're going to have all Americans out by
six months, seven months, eight months, we can't, we're coming along.
You know, anybody that's right knows damn well that it's going to be done.
Do you think it's an issue?
I think it's an issue in Washington.
But they vote for these standards.
Why do they vote for these amendments?
Why do they vote for them?
They passed the Senate.
Just to satisfy the left, they're all trying to accommodate the radical left.
And also because they want to be on the side of being one step ahead of the administration in terms of getting the war over with.
But we've had enormous success in that.
And we're pulling the hat trick of the age.
See, as a result, you know how to catch it with your knife, of course.
It isn't because we're the drawing.
It's because of Campbell.
He loves us.
We can't believe it, but he's a son of a gun.
He doesn't like to punch anymore.
I have a question about that.
On this question, the State Department leaks about, they asked me about paying to Greece for NATO, and I said simply that Congress had left the President an option, and he decided that it's in the overriding interest of American security to send that in, and I thought that he should have sent it.
That's right.
Now they're trying, the States put some leaks out,
The Vice President's exceeded his negotiating authority and this sort of thing.
I didn't say that.
All I said was they left you the option.
And that I was convinced that the option would be exercise and to dare to be exercised.
It was important and at least is important.
But they're trying to make it look as though I went over there and said things
Well, Congress did make the option that the National Security report be dismissed.
But the way they're writing it, there wasn't any option, and I'm suggesting that you overwrite the Congress by then.
I agree with what you said.
And as a matter of fact, we're going to continue to increase, you know, that sort of thing.
I'm really surprised that they didn't ask for any assistance, any of the more systems, because they think they're going to make a greater effort on their own.
That sounded so strange.
You know, I can understand how they will.
It's hard for me to see how the priest...
It's, uh...
I talked to my cousin, who is a tremendously well-educated man in Athens.
He wrote about exactly the mass commuter that he came back to.
Oh, yes.
That's the six-line, very intelligent guy.
He said, I think there's some spirit of love related to that.
That's what that was trying to do.
And I said, I think that they've got to be persuaded.
They've got to be very defensive to the criticism of the American Congress and the media and the World Council and all those places.
But he said, it doesn't.
It's that human rights group that's sort of ancillary to the European countries.
But he thinks they're decent men.
He thinks they're decent men.
He thinks they're going to have a good job.
And he said, well, he said, I don't like people in these areas.
They're particularly strong.
They're sitting on the other side of the fence.
They're strong because they've given all the public servants raises they've never had before.
He said, I think they could be elected.
They just haven't always had the apparent authority to do what they want to do.
But the big Olympics, here's another .
They're free.
Yes.
Very well.
And outstanding.
Yeah, he's an outstanding man.
He was very formal, and he really warmed up.
He had some very good conversations with him.
Oh, yes.
He's outstanding.
He's in charge.
Yes.
Good.
Good.
Strong guy.
We're supposed to be coming over here, and then it's canceled, and then he comes, and then it's canceled.
I mean, he wants us.
He wants to come.
We want him, but we don't want to embarrass him.
I think he's got a bunch of some problems.
He wanted to come in March.
I mean, Gabe, while I was there, we were game for him to come in November.
We just tried to arrange that.
I think that he was tied today.
You know, I think our Democratic friends are having one hell of a time these days.
They're actually around.
I think he's, I think he's, I think what has happened is he's basically not saying enough.
He's not really a heavyweight, you know.
He's a nice facade.
I didn't see him.
A nice facade, but Muskie is not.
He doesn't have any kind of catch.
I don't think they're going to get him.
Because when I sat on his thing, I was like, he's an Irish.
What do you think of the Irish?
I thought it was a stupid book.
I don't understand the Irish.
I mean, it was pretty super tense, but to make it worse.
But for God's sakes, why does he interfere in the affairs of another country like that?
I didn't see it that much of a play, though, did you?
No, he makes a mistake.
The other statement I thought was the worst one, though, where he said that the President of the United States should crow on his belly.
I mean, people are never going to forget that.
A line that I think you might use, that we will get our people out of this back, we will end this war on our feet.
We are going to do it without fraud, we're the communists.
I think that's a hell of a good line.
Another line that I used, I don't know if I picked it up, but I was with a bunch of Democrats and I tried to, which we did, save this House vote.
I said, I guess I'm too grown up to crawl.
I had a friend say to me, somebody just might say, well, we have a president that's too grown up to crawl.
To crawl.
It's just not bad.
Because this son of a bitch is saying things.
An idiot, a pacifist.
He puts all of the burden on us.
Sucks around the Indians.
Of course, on the court, they've all got on the lip.
All of them, you know, jumped on that.
He said that all the names he made, the first one was Poth, and a list of six that the official was running by the bar, which he said was running by a lot of names, Barney's, and they said these were mediocrities and all the rest.
He said it was a horrible thing, and all of the editorials.
And Webb, it's really quite two guys.
One was first in his class at Harvard.
The other was first in his class at Stanford.
You know, I mean, they were, they were brave men.
I mean, so they said they're not mediocre.
So that's because they, what they did, they all got on a little initiative philosophy, but they're mediocre.
We don't mind a conservative, but that's not a man that's bright.
How do we get him too bright then?
Pretty tough.
But it doesn't matter.
He was a law clerk to Bob Jackson, who was a hell of a good judge.
Except for Dillard Burke, he was one of the best men we've had in this century.
Well, that's, that's, that's, which is the commentary on it.
It's, they, it's basically, you know, it's standard.
What about a man, what they're about to do with me?
I think me is going to play a role.
I think he's going to be out there pushing Jackson.
And I think they're going to try to solve it by doing a Jackson-Kennedy thing.
They might.
That's probably the most intelligent thing they can do.
Maybe they can't accomplish it without just making a partisan ticket.
God, if they put Jackson and Kennedy together, that would be Kennedy.
I mean, Jackson, after all this, was supposed to be Kennedy's.
He was the Democratic chairman in 1960, if you recall.
And basically, although he is very solid on national security, he's basically part of the program, and he's going to go that way.
But he might have a car accident.
This time, maybe, maybe he'll run on a fourth party.
And, uh, that'd be, uh, and Chisholm may run on a fourth party, which isn't bad, too.
You can just forget it.
We're not going to get any black folks.
This is a significant number.
And the second with, uh, with McCartney, oh, and the Northern Barrier.
Of course, there are some barriers.
There's a, the liberals are trying to build Lindsay up now.
Yeah, he's a very good coach.
He's got a lot of money, that's a lot of money.
Absolutely, yes.
But I think he'll be able to successfully get us to the final package.
Well, he may go in and do well in the primaries, you know.
Assuming Kenny doesn't get in the primaries.
It must be a slip.
Let's see, I'm sorry.
He's got a new face in a lot of countries.
But he's been sitting around for that.
And Karen, Karen is pretty, Karen is lovely.
You may be correct, Jackson can be mean, mean, desperately.
He's a partisan, a grand person.
He's desperately trying to pull it together.
I think putting Jackson on there will cause him large problems too.
Who knows?
I can think of something.
What do you think?
What do I think?
It wouldn't be obvious because I'm trying to get it out of the conversation.
Oh, sure you would.
You're a parent.
You're a parent to many people.
Many people think, and others believe, that there may not be a case that maybe they'll notice a lot of strong building trades, consults, and other things like that.
He hasn't been having any for a while.
He hasn't been having any for a while.
Maybe it's the, you know, he's, whatever you want to say about people, he's, he's, he's antagonistic.
He's real rough.
But on the other hand, on the other hand, he's intelligent.
This guy's telling you, most of the other creators just aren't asleep.
I've got to say, I really don't have this.
He certainly is.
I don't think all they're going after is Edgar Hoover.
Probably because of that, actually.
Edgar's bringing someone on himself.
He's advising.
I mean, by advising, he's having some internal problems apparently, and they'll follow that and solve them, or something like that.
They're going to really, really go after Edgar.
It's sort of that group.
But I think it's sort of a negative of the times.
We're in a period when we talk about those issues.
And if the economy were to move up next year, which we confidently hope and expect, what the hell else is it going to talk about?
So the war is over.
The economy's a little down.
is moving up at least is going to solve everything oh you're going to be satisfied but then they've got to talk about the blacks the cities are cooler the campuses aren't blowing up as much you see there are a lot of things that have happened here almost without notice things have changed but the big i guess the credit for the big things being
That's had an effect, a personal effect, on the climate of that temperament.
Do you want to hang it up?
Yes.
I think that's been the same thing for a very long time.
My God, they try to keep you alive all the time, but it's awfully hard.
Five or six casualties a week, isn't it?
That, it sure is.
Theodon and the, uh, this, uh, the king in Moscow comes about.
Let me say that the new Russian peacekeeping in Moscow
just among us, which we must never say or deny, is important because it's with both.
And believe me, it gives us the enormous leverage that we never had before.
We go to Moscow, and we're in their bag.
We go to Beijing alone, we're in their bag.
Now we're going to both, and the fact that we're going to both
is a chance to, well, we will, of course, say, well, we're going to just look out.
This is a bilateral matter.
We're not paying expense to other countries.
So true.
But as far as they are concerned, they don't look at it that way.
They look at it in terms of, you know, they there, that these are, there was a time when,
I think about five years ago that this was sort of a temporary split.
But I think that in the communist world, there can only be one number one, and I think that's the problem here.
And I don't think that there's the chances that they talk at all.
President could die, Joe Biden could die in a new group, but there's still going to be this great competition for leadership of a totalitarian society that they just can't tolerate.
Why they can't even tolerate a people?
Because this, as we've run around doing this, it indicates that he takes these kind of policies.
Is there a chance that as far as Taiwan is concerned, that they're going to try to
create a climate in the U.N. that Taiwan is a rebellious province and therefore they should be allowed to go there.
So this is a position where the whole legal framework within the U.N. says that Taiwan is a great rebel against the wealth of government in China and we should have the United Nations sanctions, no interference, and they want to use a certain amount of force to bring it back into China.
Oh, one...
In order to apply that, we have a treaty with Taiwan.
So what is the United Nations going to do?
They're going to take on the United States.
That's the scenario that we have a mutual and that's treaty with Taiwan.
But why do you think they're going to?
Well, if that wasn't a big deal enough pressure to leave, whether Congress could deteriorate the treaty, that's not a good strategy.
I think it's possible.
It may try, but I don't think, I don't think, well, the Congress, I think, is capable of many things, but I don't think it's, well, I just don't think, I just don't think it's there.
You have 300, just 315 members of the House.
It's not to be said that I realize you've got the Senators, but it takes, it's going to take a lot more than that.
No, I don't see that.
I don't see that.
Well, at least you were
The, uh...
I'll describe it to you.
I would guess that Jack got shaken all last year, and I really don't know how he could still be strong.
I'd say that, uh, he just died.
Not shaking at all.
It's too bad.
By the way, I've got to look at the bright side of it.
There is one.
You know, we've come down and down and down with this IQ question.
And in a way, it's like, oh, well, I better do it now than I have in the middle of the election campaign next year.
So I'm closing that.
I just feel, I look at when I'm 47, I can't believe the jobs that you've been there have been created by the United States.
We were sitting on the top of the world, and it could have stayed there for a very long time.
Well, basically, one of the things that really hurted the way we had to remember was the Kennedy period.
The Kennedy period, when we gave up, when they started to do weird things, that was it.
The Cuban confrontation was the last time the United States could look down the Russians' throats, and now we can.
It's as cold-blooded as that, you know.
Cold Turkey, I'm talking about the whole McNamara thing, was a damn disaster.
They kept me very connected.
Of course, the Vietnam War, I sympathize with Johnson.
I sympathize with him because, one, he did not approve of the murder, two, which is the next period of the whole damn thing.
And Kennedy was right.
He really meshed in that, we know.
Johnson's conduct in the war was terrible.
Goddamn it.
That's a waste of power.
I mean, we should have moved in there.
You should have bombed one thing in the north without bombing at all.
I mean, you don't strike the king unless you kill him.
And the war's even over in 67, right?
So I think I'd rather go to the lake than I go to the camp.
Because even under the truck, you're still there.
Okay, we sort of let things start to get away from us.
Well, I agree.
I agree.
We were too, uh... We were too damn generous to a lot of people.
We should have been generous, too, but that ain't a problem.
We were just... breaking the mystery.
We just got trippy.
They swear at any time.
Well, I can say this.
If you think what we confronted, we came to this damn place...
in 69, it's a miracle we survived.
When you consider the freedom of the press and the media, I suppose you looked at the iron book and you said, yeah, you should have looked at it.
I'm going to go try it with my kids a little bit.
But anyway, the fact that the freedom of the press was worse than I thought it was, but I'll tell you that when you consider, you know, we fought all the way
He said, I never had it with us.
And I said, we get to hell.
He got on the phone.
And I had to tell him.
I don't know.
No, I had a Supreme Court date.
They were banged this day and that night.
So I just told him what you want.
I said, no, I didn't see it.
I was here the first week before the APD.
I could see what was going to come.
I said, no, you and I are going to decide this.
That's what I'm going to tell them.
I went on television on Thursday.
When I went off and checked the odds, 47 didn't hurt him.
So, at the end of the game, that's why they're mad.
These goddamn people, they get right there.
They can piss on the Times, the Newsweek, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and so they reach maybe a million, two million, maybe...
I'm saying the 85 million that are already, and that are already against you.
But even that, and even in their dealerships, you can call them one joke, crack it, you can't use a 12.
And that was really safe, I hope you're not, you know, you have to go out and pay the time.
A press conference, a speech or something.
Just when they think they've got you on the run, you're ahead of something.
One of the benefits of the China initiative, and frankly it was only one of the two, basically one of the differences in one of the points is it utterly confuses the left.
They know deep down why I'm doing it.
They know damn well that I am not under any illusions about the communist regime.
They would be doing it for the wrong reasons.
They're all wrong, co-working, ever-existing, all that, and so forth and so on.
But what the hell are they going to say?
They can't be innocent, can they?
That's right, they can't.
So the thing to do is to say, well, we're going to go in realistically.
We're not going to give away the store.
We're going to be this and that.
We're going to seek peace, you know, and all that.
And just play it tough and hard.
And that's what we're going to be.
One other thing I want to ask you, Mr. President, remember we talked about this in that nation's speech?
God, I don't know.
Oh, God.
What are they saying?
Perhaps we better move this.
Maybe we ought to give it a go.
I don't know what you want to do with it.
When they talked to me about Atlantis, this was just before we lived in the United States.
And I said, well, why is the Vice President out there and not out where they came from?
At this point, I didn't mind that they had to let the cold water go down.
I didn't think he was willing.
And having in mind the fact that, uh, that, uh, but, uh,
No, that's a wrong turn.
That's a wrong turn.
It ought to be him.
It ought to be him.
Well, it'll start the same old... Yeah, but I think it starts to send from more craziness.
And I had quite a thing that I would not do it.
And I had quite a distinct barrier to getting back to the public, you know, acceptance again.
You know, that's one thing that the Pentagon Papers and the miserable things did.
E.D.
Sergius, you know, they gave him a bad rap.
And he's got a lot of guts.
I'll tell you one of the things that's very disturbing to me is the devil's lovers we've got in that Senate.
I am so disgusted.
Colson, you know, works for him all the time.
I've never heard of him.
It is awful.
Did you notice in this list of our Senators who were sent out of the Capitol to the High Court?
Ten of them, I expect.
Yes, sir.
I'm so dumb.
I said, well, I don't fucking believe it.
God let me get to that floor.
I haven't got a hand in it.
What in the name of God?
He won't say anything to him about it.
He must say that he's going to do that again.
He's the next general.
It looks like it's my policy.
Now, Rogers has got a, you know, let's say the article is in there.
You know, he had a, I have a point of this game.
Believe me.
You know, that's the
The U.N. is a loser for us, just a loser for us.
You're just around all the time.
I didn't know that.
No, I didn't know that.
I didn't know that either.
I mean, sorry, so bad.
I mean, I saw it again.
I read the first thing I saw, Matthias, and wrote the rest.
I thought, well, Christ did this.
I thought, why isn't it 12?
Well, there are usually 12 bills in the list.
That's not what I mean.
Well.
And incidentally, over in the house, you've got a ferry with a bunch of dogs.
You know, for example, you've got, uh, old fellas like, uh, and he's now been elected to the leadership.
Sam Devine.
Good man.
But, uh, Dole's on that list?
That's what I read in the paper.
He really must have crossed somebody.
Must have got him.
Maybe he's trying to prove Matthias is the leader.
Oh, Christ.
What?
When does he come up?
He comes up on Sunday morning.
I don't have any personal interest.
Oh, really?
I don't know.
Yeah, really.
Easy, easy.
Easy, easy.
But, uh...
on the foundation thing.
Let us take a crack at Goldwater if he doesn't do it.
And also, his speech has got to be made.
And it's got to be made by somebody that he'll be listened to.
And it may be, but let's just play a little while.
If they get too rough on the other side, you may want to run it out there.
Okay, you have a lot of time.