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Nixon, Lloyd & Sharp on Ceremonial Meetings and Gift Exchange

Friday, October 29, 1971 · 12:27 PM–12:32 PM ET · Oval Office · 9 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Lloyd, Sherman P.; Sharp, Marjorie; [Unknown person(s)]; Marsh, Edwin E.; Nidecker, John E.; White House photographer; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Kilpatrick, Carroll; Kilpatrick, Frandk; Kilpatrick, Mary JoConversation607-016 on Tape 607 (tape position 03:52:17–04:01:08)StartFriday, October 29, 1971 at 12:27 PMEndFriday, October 29, 1971 at 12:32 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 607-016 ↗

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President Nixon held two separate brief, informal meetings in the Oval Office to host visitors including Sherman P. Lloyd, Marjorie Sharp, and the family of journalist Carroll Kilpatrick. These sessions primarily served ceremonial purposes, involving the exchange of gifts, photography sessions, and light conversation about regional backgrounds and university experiences. The President also engaged in casual discussions regarding medical practice, specifically emphasizing the importance of bedside manner and the high prevalence of psychosomatic illnesses in patient care.

  • Ceremonial Meetings
  • Gift Exchange
  • University Backgrounds
  • Medical Practice
  • Psychosomatic Illness
  • Southern Culture

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Mr. President.
Mr. President.
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I'm going to go back to the drive you would like me to show up.
And I'm going to need help from your own self-reported issue.
If you're going to go out there and have your time, I'm going to need you to stand up and show up.
I'm going to need help from your self-reported issue.
I'm going to need help from your self-reported issue.
Did you go to the university?
Yes, I went.
The U.A.
is very essential for next year's campaign, but that will be for another spring.
It's going to be very essential.
Oh, great.
I want to say something about the party chairman, right?
She's trying to get first in Utah.
I had Ms. Lou Kersen, and as she did the meeting, she's saying, you know, instead of having more people in your area, you're going to have more people in your area.
Instead of having more people in your area, you're going to have more people in your area.
We're very proud of the department.
That's great.
Well, I saw a movie about a couple weeks ago, The Sheep, and Mr. Cash.
It's so good.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh.
Oh.
I'll put it out there when the Australian comes to see it.
Well, this is something I remember that need very well.
It was 21 years ago.
If I was a congressman at the time, I'd be excited.
Now, let's see.
We've got a couple little things for you.
I don't know how much that took.
Not worth as much as that.
A little more expensive.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
It's a deal with the president, you see.
Let's see.
You were at the University of Utah.
Wow, what a great smile.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Where are you studying?
Where are you studying?
to the University of Wisconsin-Denham and the University of Wisconsin-Denham University also.
Thank you, come on.
Oh, this is a memory.
But you're, you're, no, no, you're something.
I know, I'm Dean of the University of Wisconsin-Denham.
Do you want to come on?
They met here, met in North Carolina.
In North Carolina.
He has a little bit of a soft spot.
He has a little bit of ice.
I went to school in North Carolina.
I didn't do it, so I know all of them.
I can almost tell them.
I'm hard to...
I can tell.
There's just like a total of a garbage bin in South Carolina.
Can you just do that?
Oh, sure.
Oh, sure you can.
People from Charleston, people all the way up there, from any part of our South Carolina, the people from South Carolina, the people of Salem, Winston-Salem,
Oh, sure.
Just, now we're in Virginia, and that's where they got a booth, you know, a booth.
Well, thank you very much.
I'll give you a couple of trinkets here.
Thank you.
Same thing we have with the girls for you.
Thank you.
Are you one of your, are you willing to speak on your first year residency?
They work.
Well, I can't give you any of the capabilities.
You'll be a general practitioner.
You know, the main thing, I remember the great general practitioners that I've met here.
And they all hit on these things about bedside manners.
It doesn't matter.
It matters so much.
They just have to have confidence and follow what you think.
And most of them are particularly older people, just so you can be assured.
And that's just one thing.
They're really the kind of people.
I am not ready for my studies to steal.
I am convinced by that the number of cases where the problem is really psychosomatic is far greater than most people ever even recognize.
You can't recognize it.
You've got to say there's a field where there's a problem.
I said to you, that's what they teach.
When you cut this down, you can't appeal to the rest.
And many times, the person who gave the bill was a little shitter.
or something like that.
But really, what I've seen, you've seen, I've seen people who are familiar with the combination of standards.
Foreign visitors to the press, they're gonna pay them this time, they're gonna pay them this month, and so on.
So, it's kind of sad.
Really, so you need to, don't be this side, okay?
But remember that.
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.

NARA Description

On October 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Sherman P. Lloyd, Marjorie Sharp, unknown person(s), Edwin E. Marsh, John E. Nidecker, White House photographer, Ronald L. Ziegler, Carroll Kilpatrick, Frandk Kilpatrick, and Mary Jo Kilpatrick met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:27 pm to 12:32 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 607-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 607-016

Date: October 29, 1971
Time: 12:27 pm - 12:32 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Sherman P. Lloyd, Marjorie Sharp, [Forename unknown] McCormick,
Edwin E. Marsh, and John E. Nidecker; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of this meeting.

     Introductions

     Marjorie Sharp
          -University of Utah
          -Mormon pioneers
               -Grandfather

     Presentation to the President of sheep skin
          -Camp David
                -Australia

     Presentation of gifts by the President

     White House tour

        Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

Sharp, et al. left at 12:32 pm.

Carroll Kilpatrick, Mary Jo Kilpatrick, Frank Kilpatrick, and Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 12:33
pm; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of this meeting.

      University backgrounds
           -Medical School
                 -University of Wisconsin
                 -University of Vermont

      Southern accents
           -North Carolina
                -The President’s education at Duke University
           -South Carolina

      Presentation of gifts by the President

      Medicine
          -Pediatrics
          -General practice
               -The President’s view
               -Psychosomatic illness

Kilpatrick, et al. left at 12:35 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 607-016, October 29, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/607-016 (accessed September 30, 2026).