Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Foreign aid and United Nations

6:23Oh, that's important.
6:41All right.
6:53On the November 9th exercise, after Chicago, do you want to spend the night in Chicago, or do you want to come back after this?
7:07Come back.
7:10Right there.
7:14All right, we'll do that at 10 o'clock.
7:25It's a...
7:54The Clunstone Pavilion of the Illinois Masonic Medical Center being dedicated could be the next day.
8:00I think not, which is to serve the Latin American community, and it's a, you know, I don't know about the eating thing, if you want to do it.
8:08I just don't think I want to do it.
8:09I just think I'd rather go out there and eat the rest of this, and the rest of it.
8:12I'd rather just go out there and check back again, because I wouldn't believe it.
8:24I think it's better to come back.
8:26We're talking out there.
8:27I think it would be good to do something.
8:29Okay, well let's come back now.
8:34Laird wants to meet with you, he says, on Monday.
8:39And he wants to cover his report on the Europe meeting and the plans for his Asian trip and his current thinking on the budget.
8:50Henry doesn't want to have anything with him on the budget.
8:55They said you should meet with them on the first July, the Jim Trevors.
9:01That's amazing.
9:04What's your plan on Monday?
9:06We've kept Monday clear.
9:08Well, I've been there.
9:20It's late, 5 o'clock.
9:21You can keep Monday clear if you want.
9:25Well, I'll use money for other purposes.
9:30You know, I mean, for various things, but maybe... Maybe, uh... Yeah, of course...
9:59We'll see you there at 4 o'clock.
10:16We'll be there.
10:17We won't talk today.
10:20The deal is to bring it up at any time.
10:29Ok. And you still want to go to the high up?
10:33To the high up, aren't you?
10:39I mean, we can...
10:40Absolutely.
10:52And another thing we've got to do is to get him to keep quiet on his trip upon a troop withdrawal.
10:58Well...
10:59I think we should just attack them.
11:15They can't maintain this position.
11:19I have an indication that...
11:29The point is that they want to pick up something that we didn't really want to do, but my God...
11:58We were on every minute.
12:04That's why I talked to 20 senators Wednesday morning, Thursday back, and Thursday morning.
12:17Oh, no, no.
12:18I called Griffin last night when I heard that story.
12:21No, no, he voted for us.
12:23Oh, yeah.
12:25No, it's what killed us were the Democrats.
12:27The 1950s republicans.
12:29Yeah.
12:30It's like a very, yeah, it's a big, obvious combination.
12:33The 15 republicans have always voted against 48.
12:36You can really say about that.
12:39But the Democrats are the dumb Democrats.
12:41And the point is, it's 41 votes.
12:43It's not 51.
12:45They give everybody what they want.
12:4841 and 27.
12:50Yeah.
12:53No one suspected that this could happen.
12:56And we were all congratulating ourselves all day long.
12:59We won one.
12:59They can't believe them.
13:01The point is, we were resolved last night.
13:03I don't think that's what the story said.
13:06I don't think it was White House's question.
13:10I think it was the question of the...
13:12It said that White House refused to answer, respond as to whether or not a major effort was made for the White House, you know what I mean?
13:22And also it was...
13:27And I'm sure we're going to have to review each and the same thing, whether they regret it on the part of the White House, or whether they love it in the Republican Party.
13:36Of course we say, of course we regret it.
13:37And secondly, we do respond to it.
13:38What the hell have you been doing all week?
13:41You know what I mean?
13:42I don't know.
13:44They do so well.
13:45I don't know what's the question.
13:46They're caught late at night.
13:47Christ, they're afraid of seven kids, aren't they?
13:50I'm not sure that they actually said that, because Ziegler was there.
13:54They've been dying to get an issue on foreign policy.
14:16It's unbelievable what it worked out.
14:18I would never have believed it possible that disloyalty could be carried to those extremes.
14:22It's true.
14:23Every time we get our head above water, these people push it down.
14:27And not for any issue of principle.
14:29I mean, this is the party that put through foreign aid.
14:32And now they all suddenly discover a great love for Taiwan.
14:36I don't remember that Teddy Kennedy, who is now laughing, ever said... What do you think about his speech yesterday?
14:44The revolting.
14:46No one will ever know the secret deal we may have made with P.K.
14:54The son of a bitch.
14:56What is that very useful?
14:58I don't know.
15:15In fact, I had Galbraith in my office.
15:18He was at times beginning to tell me what was going on there.
15:21I wonder, Chuck, if your people didn't get any harm from him, or if he, I don't know, if that was totally, where has he been on the Taiwan thing before, you know?
15:41You know the situation.
15:44Now you're bleeding about Taiwan.
15:48He's voting against me for Taiwan.
15:49Correct.
15:50I don't know what he voted against, but he's been screaming about our reliance on dictatorial allies in Asia.
15:59Well, his first statement this week was that we shouldn't be too concerned over the expulsion of Taiwan.
16:07Let's look at the process.
16:09This kid said that earlier.
16:10He said that immediately after the U.S. vote.
16:14So that was it.
16:15Yesterday's was a real...
16:16If he's quoted correctly, it's a real switch.
16:19I was just saying that he was quoted correctly, but I didn't hear his story.
16:22He wasn't quoted correctly.
16:24I'm sure he was.
16:25I just asked for the full report of it, because I never worry about whether he's quoted correctly.
16:31The point is, it's not part of the law.
16:36Oh, well, the whole thing is out of state.
16:40That's why there's both of us going to jail.
16:55Jackson did, impliedly.
17:21I think it's certainly the state line that they're feeding out.
17:24I can't say that they gave it to Kennedy, but it's what they've been putting out to commoners and others.
17:36It's quite a speech.
17:52It's interesting, Chuck, that times gives it such a great play.
17:57I think that's the plan.
18:00The belief that they've got.
18:01And they're getting a little desperate, and they must use school.
18:06You see my point?
18:07Mm-hmm.
18:07A little tiddy.
18:08That's right.
18:08And another thing, when he said he hoped that the election would be made, but a fixed star on our planet, he's not a comet, but a star.
18:21Maybe I should go down and talk to him for a few minutes and see where he's going to go.
18:35What does the Breaker think they can do with Scott?
18:45What are they going to do?
18:49McCracker was out of town last night when I reached him, and Scott wasn't reached until I talked to Griffin.
18:55McCracker said they had to introduce something on Monday, a new bill.
19:02Scott wasn't there.
19:04He was there.
19:05I expected it to be 41 to 26, but he wasn't there either.
19:13Yeah, he wasn't there.
19:15He was paired with, it's kind of interesting what he's done here.
19:20I think they're going to reverse themselves.
19:36Why?
19:38Because every newspaper and television broadcast is going to jump all over them.
19:45Can they, under their rules, can they concede to reconsider on that?
19:49No, they will kill it.
19:50They will kill it.
19:50That's all we've got to talk about.
19:52That's all we've done.
19:53The right thing to do, I think, to reconsider, has to be done in the same session.
19:58They did last night.
19:59No, no.
20:00Let me just say that you never have to ask questions.
20:04When anybody wins a vote in the Senate, or the House, in a cell of note, by a voice vote,
20:11After they win the vote, they say, somebody gets up and says, I move to reconsider.
20:15Somebody says, I move to lay that on the table.
20:17All those in favor will say aye.
20:19All those in favor will say no.
20:21That's what I meant.
20:22The motion is to pick up all those wins, and that kills it.
20:25And they always go to their seats.
20:27Never.
20:28It's over.
20:28So there has to be a new thing.
20:30That's it.
20:31You know, those boys that never leave the house go.
20:34The committee would, under normal circumstances, the committee would come out with another bill.
20:37It's going to be introduced.
20:40It's going to be introduced.
20:41Now they won't run this campaign.
20:44But what this shows is that putting foreign aid into the foreign relations committee is a disaster.
20:51I mean, foreign aid couldn't be helped, but military aid.
20:54Everyone told us last year this wasn't a problem.
20:55Yeah, but you see the military aid being in there.
20:56It gives the mad seals and the rest of the channel...
21:04It's perfect.
21:06Of course, you notice, now here's a tentacle, I don't know, Rogers, who also elated about church, and he does statements about our foreign policy.
21:14I tell him, I tell you, they're out there.
21:18You should cut it out.
21:20Of course, they also lead the public opinion polls, and they won't.
21:25People want us to cut $15 billion.
21:28People are against foreign aid, correct.
21:31And so these people are totally...
21:33I believe we're against it.
21:36I used to vote for it, and it had never been before.
21:38It's never popular.
21:39It doesn't happen.
21:41It's something you've had to do regardless.
21:43You go back and talk to them.
21:57I think it's a question, really, of why I think that all of your, all of our candidates and others, they're just disturbed about issues and so forth.
22:10They're going to crap at anything they can.
22:18I was looking for an issue.
22:19I'm looking for an issue.
22:22I'm curious if they can find any of them.
22:24It's all right.
22:26It's their right.
22:35They don't realize that as far as these other guys are concerned, I mean, it's very partisan.
22:51It's not much national history, I guess.
23:07You skim through any goose or a bear, they're kind of crafty.
23:13It's always unbelievable.
23:14And further down there, the more distant they are from campus, you've got to remember that these are partisans, and they sound good to you.
23:22Oh, and I'm trying to say, I used to smile when Rocky spoke about it, and he's a poor person, and he's always said, you know,
24:05I think he's doing what he has done on four of our other issues.
24:12He has just taken a contrary position to you and a slashing political attack to make news and to assert the issue.
24:24And there's been really no consistency to the piece.
24:31He has said things on other issues that
24:35We're very extreme for him.
24:38Like the POW issue.
24:39Like the guys who are wanting to end the war next year instead of this year.
24:43And we'll try to get political credit next year.
24:47He's done this four or five times this year.
24:50He lashed it way, way in.
24:52This has been a pattern.
24:54Totally disregarding how he realizes that he can get away with it where others can't.
25:00Where he can make this kind of a speech and he won't bring down the rest of them.
25:04Time is weak in all the media for being thoroughly irresponsible and inconsistent.
25:10If he can get away with it, maybe he'll lose.
25:15No, as a matter of fact, he'll play a little of that himself.
25:19Time is weak, so for all of the post-highlanders who still join the State Department for Criticization, it gives you trip.
25:28That's the time that gives you trip.
25:30That's the stage of pushing that line.
25:32I've got the right question about that there.
25:34It had not a goddamn thing to do with the vote.
25:37We couldn't do it any other time.
25:39But nevertheless, nevertheless, that's what they're going to do.
25:43And it also feels, and it means elsewhere, too, about the U.N.
25:46The U.N. vote, and now what are we going to do?
25:48Are we going to just accept that?
25:49Are we going to do something about it?
25:51This and that.
25:54I can get you to wait here to really, you should be very, very excited to come back to the U.N. You can just wait here for a while, I think.
25:59Maybe you can ask me to come here for a while.
26:05Find it out, and I'll apologize.
26:08I think we're hissing and booing while you're sleeping.
26:10Yeah, it's almost a pretty god damn difficult business.
26:19Just as well.
26:19Well, I can get George Bush to take Teddy on.
26:21He's eager to take on anybody.
26:24He'd love to take Teddy on.
26:25I'll let him go.
26:26He's got a mission he has to follow.
26:31That'd be the way forward next time, isn't it?
26:34Well, I've given him Israel, but he was gone, but she still had to use him for issues.
26:40Good.
26:41And I'll add this to that.
26:44Well, they did your thing, and making it a fact that there is no question about the conduct of the delegates and so forth, whether we still support you or not.
27:10Well, look at Teddy.
27:11Teddy has turned around 180 degrees.
27:16He was the one that made the most glowing, the first and the most glowing statement about the Chinese.
27:24You remember?
27:25So immediately after you, immediately afterwards, now he comes around.
27:29And so we've changed our secret.
27:32Now, because they kicked Taiwan out,
27:35This is totally inconsistent.
27:38It is.
27:38You can't have it both ways.
27:40You can't say that.
27:41It was one of the greatest moves.
27:44It was a national tragedy.
27:47I don't want to look at it now, but they came out with a Kennedy vs. Kennedy thing.
27:52Why don't you get back to the fact that you may find that he has said something about getting the Taiwan out of there.
28:00You know, the previous
28:04It was too bad, but let's go on with it.
28:29But then he goes before this, it's his name in this room, and he's looking at his, yeah, at his statement, his report, and he's, well, he's just, it's the last day, well, it's a way to call the peace through, but it's particularly funny to me at those times.
28:54Where O'Rourke is there, yeah,
28:58This isn't a piece du roi.
28:59No, no, not a piece du roi.
29:00It's one of those funner pieces or something like that.
29:07But it's typical of that group.
29:10You see here, all these piece types are just concomitant.
29:15We might get the credit for doing it.
29:17That's it.
29:17That's it.
29:18So it's purely what it is.
29:20These are all, these are all the most far-out pet peacemakers, as you see.
29:25And they've got them off the wall, because of the war being at hand.
29:28And China and Russia, it's killing them.
29:32And also they're going after this thing.
29:35It's about them to be inconsistent.
29:40The other, there's also, I think, hitting the line, which may be, well, if I lose in this vote, and in this resolution and so forth, about the UN, we're hurting the United Nations.
29:54That's a sort of far-out region.
29:58The next line that we will get is that because we were angered over the UN's conduct this week, we killed before anything.
30:06Oh, you did?
30:07That's correct.
30:07That will build in this week.
30:08That's correct.
30:10That's what I'm going to say now.
30:14But then when you look at the voting lab, it's pretty hard to sustain that when we eventually go voting against the poor people, the Democratic leader, plus a lot of Democratic leaders.
30:24It's hard to make that case.
31:38I think that has about a blip in the country.
32:03I don't know what you're talking about.
32:06Hurry up.
32:07That's it.
32:07I didn't think you'd have any pills.
32:08You're not catching some dead sunshine.
32:11But it is very interesting anyway.
32:13What the hell, you know, that's the point.
32:15Only people around here care about whether or not the ADA improves somebody, and whether or not this panel's in front or this one's in front.
32:24Maybe whether or not it's going to be on a deal of that tree.
32:27But otherwise, a lot of that's not seen the other way now, when people say that ADA business was a degrading process anyway, and it's a good thing it's dropped.
32:36But I bet, I bet we all get it.
32:38Everybody around here gets charged up about all that's business about the APA.
32:44Now, this week it was the UN.
32:45I'm not sure if the country is all that charged up about it.
32:50And then it's foreign aid.
32:53Well, I think Trump is right.
32:55They'll try to blame foreign aid for the dissolution over the UN.
32:59We don't create help.
33:00We had a dissolution by criticizing the UN's conduct.
33:04I'm sorry.
33:05What did you say?
33:08We still have four heads.
33:11Maybe we get over it.
33:15I think we're probably right.
33:17They've got to put that back in.
33:20They'll have to find a way to continue the resolution.
33:26That apparently is good until... Can they go down for a military bill through the armed services?
33:38That would be uncertain.
33:41Of course, you've got a lot of economic aid for some of these cities.
33:47Very important.
33:49It's made for Israel in a whole bit.
33:53Israel, then, is a...
33:56The pressure is that we've got to work out these guys over the weekend.
34:01Don't go back to the European lobbies, sir.
34:42On the other hand, what you, Rogers and Bush said,
35:05was that the U.N. acted very unquietly because the attitude of the Congress and the country was different.
35:12There it is, this living proof.
35:13I said it in turn.
35:13I said it in turn.
35:14I mean, it's very different altogether.
35:16It was for the U.N. that we needed it, but we kicked out hard to get it.
35:20We fought the amendments for this new, and we fought in one.
35:23And Siglund, Siglund, was she, she said that you, your support continues undiminished, but one has to recognize the realities that this will make it very difficult.
35:35The people that are for it,
36:04They're responsible.
36:06People who are against the UN are against foreign aid.
36:10People who are against the Greeks are against foreign aid.
36:14People who are against all these days are against foreign aid.
36:17You see what I mean?
36:18And then you've got a lot of people just against foreign aid as a general principle.
36:23Against it because it's wasteful.
36:24I think it's a goddamn loser.
36:25It's just a case where responsible senators and congressmen have to move forward.
36:29That's all.
36:30They've done it for years.
36:32It's part of the problem.
36:35The cost of leadership, the rule of leadership.
36:41We have, I don't know, what do you think we ought to do?
36:45We ought to give people an idea on this, on this academy thing.
36:51Yeah, but I don't see any work.
36:54You know, we've got this text, Collins takes off the text on that.
36:57I'm trying to take it off, though.
37:01We have, I mean, the whole bureaucratic, the whole bureaucratic table, it's purely, it's purely partisan stuff.
37:07It's a goddamn, you know, I recall the Republicans were out, Jesus Christ, they terribly called on anybody who wasn't totally responsible, as soon as, remember?
37:19No, he didn't.
37:19Absolutely.
37:20I was usually very responsible, and still have that kind of sign for it.
37:27And, uh,
37:28You'd get out there, you'd get a raider, a gold hunter out there, and they'd murder them.
37:31They'd crucify them.
37:33Now, here are these people.
37:34They never let them get away with it.
37:36Well, our congressmen and senators during the Kennedy-Hudson years just wouldn't criticize them.
37:44They would never take them.
37:48They sure didn't.
37:49You know, it was a silence.
37:50Most of the Christians, not outside, but during the war, they would
37:57Passing state-of-the-art opposition, they want to do it.
38:01Loyal opposition, that's what it really was.
38:04Loyal on behalf of the ministry.
38:10Check all the people we have speaking this weekend.
38:12I know Bill was getting his way.
38:14He had a good idea, common rights.
38:21Good idea.
38:21Yeah.
38:21And it didn't go down.
38:22It slid through.
38:23That's right.
38:23Yeah.
38:27We build it up by wrapping it up.
38:29You got Elliot speaking in Boston at the Jewish convention.
38:33He could have some fun up there in Kennedy's hometown.
38:41He didn't get the facts.
38:47Well, he could take on the Israel question.
38:51Yeah, he did the Israel question, but he could also...
38:54He kept me on Israel and Boston.
38:57I think he could also take on the total switcheroo of the Chinese.
39:05First of the week he said that.
39:07It's the last of the week he said that.
39:10Praise the Chinese.
39:11That's the one that would make me tell you up there.
39:14Well, he loves it.
39:16He can't see anything.
39:17He's enjoying it.
39:18He wants to help things.
39:19Yeah.
39:20The first of the week, you see, the first of the week took the life of... What was it we said?
39:28We said we're disappointed that Taiwan was thrown out of the bus, not what the fewer, the bigger issue, which is we've opened a new business for the world, world peace.
39:40Normalized relations with the UK.
39:41He gave you the most tempered... No, this is a totally different temper.
39:46This is the most intempered thing.
39:48I think somebody got to him during the weekend and said, look, here's where you can score, you can delegate this issue, plus the public is upset about this, get on the right side, so he can't.
40:02I think your theory is exactly right.
40:04I don't think he's worrying about which side he's on.
40:07I think his strategy is to hit very hard, and, you know, weigh out, go past anybody else.
40:14What he has to do is what the society has to do.
40:18He's to walk into a leadership bench.
40:20He's discovering the other side of the thing.
40:23So, just get out of the ground.
40:25You know, let's show the other way.
40:27And the other way, the company's a little worried.
40:31Bucky did the same thing.
40:32Bucky was the one that the press loved him for it.
40:35But he was, of course, he banged Johnson every time.
40:39Now, here's today, he's banging us every time.
40:40The press loves him.
40:41And he's citing people, too.
40:43He's going on that.
40:44That's right.
40:44Same thing Bucky did of stirring the juices.
40:47That's right.
40:48He feels the anger.
40:49Well, that speech of ours was incredible.
40:54That's not getting picked up.
40:56It's a good second wave of criticism going on.
41:01Well, but look at it.
41:02He gets away with all of it.
41:03His Irish thing, we all said, wasn't that terrible.
41:08Who cared?
41:09Harvard also wasn't that terrible.
41:12Who cared?
41:12I got one of these with a Sunday average candidate.
41:15Really something.
41:16Thank you.
41:18I was off on this complete world around the mid-air.
41:21The crawling statement was far more damaging than Romney's brainwash statement, and if the press had jumped on that the way they jumped on Romney, you could send him to jail.
41:30That's been lost now, hasn't it, Chuck?
41:32It was him.
41:33No, it bounces up every now and then after this, but not like he got on Romney and brainwashed him.
41:38Christ, he jumped up, but I believe he let him go.
41:41He sure did.
41:42If you watch, it won't be funny to send him to jail.
42:29He is sober, sensitive about it.
42:33State's dropping that, it's coming about.
42:35Finally, it's a trip, and we've got to always say it had nothing to do with it, if you know what I mean.
42:42And it didn't, and you can't buy the book that it changed.
42:46It's a different trip, not a goddamn one.
42:52State's opposition, their opposition has nothing to do with the time of the trip, but if they were against it, it's going to all break up absolutely.
43:02I'm just reassuring you.
44:48I've seen the whole thing about the matter.
44:51It's had a lot to do with that.
44:55Irresponsibility.
44:56Yeah.
44:56Somebody should do a whole catalog of colleagues looking at the Irish, but not just you, but I don't know as much as much, but irresponsible, irresponsible, the Irish.
45:05Now this, where he said something that he, on the one hand, praised the Chinese nation, and don't worry about it, but on the other hand, he said that I...
45:14It's terrible that we didn't get the administration and the president.
45:19We've been doing this for so many years, and we've lost everything in a long time.
45:28We've criticized the Congress and the UN, and the Republicans.
45:33Hey, what the hell?
45:35Why did Bush, which is a good guy, get us to work this week?
45:42Why can't you have it?
46:42What everybody thinks is that he's a very partisan, tough politician.
46:48He is.
46:48He has this behavior.
46:49He's a nice, sweet gentleman, but damn easy.
46:51He's a damn tough, partisan Democrat.
46:56Bond believes deeply in all this.
46:59He's also a partisan pacifist.
47:01He's been a pacifist for years.
47:03And he is a partisan politician.
47:05He would be the leader if he weren't.
47:07And there he is, playing that game, and in his most private meetings, you know, he's taught us how.
47:13He's capable of coming up with those incredible, these unpartisan types of statements now, and he's from the Massachusetts Irish political, basically an Irish Catholic demonstration, and he has a lot of experience.
47:24He's like me.
47:25Very good.
47:26Thank you, and all the rest.
47:32Well, I'm going to get...
48:00He can also pretend to look like a physician.
48:03If you act not partisan, I have to give you a sense of respect.
48:08In defense, he must do it in order to be in defense.
48:13He can be in support of you, and just be a little confident in some certain delegates.
48:19He can be in support of you, and support you.
48:22No, you've been making speeches supporting you.
48:28You know, he'll murder you next year, but...
48:52He said that Teddy, first of all, he thinks Teddy is going to go for it.
49:05Now, secondly, he said Teddy, just as Chuck said, first made a statement.
49:14He said first Teddy made a statement that
49:21that sort of went along with the vote.
49:28Only a very strong one.
49:29And so a lot of people said he's got to get into opposition to you one way or another, including Harriman.
49:39And Harriman talked to him.
49:42I'm just in Calgary.
49:43Yeah, I know.
49:46And so he said, you know, Kennedy isn't very proud.
49:50So he said his wife Kitty, he didn't talk to anybody, Kitty wrote with him, I guess down from New York yesterday or somewhere, that this was a cheap trick.
50:05And he said he was misreported, that what he wanted was to say you had no moral right to attack anybody on the UN vote because you yourself had that
50:20I said they've hurt their chances in the United States Congress.
50:25It's a fund for peace.
50:26What is that?
50:26It's a foundation that is funded by the organization, I believe.
50:35A fund for peace?
50:36It's a non-profit foundation.
50:46I must say the only one of my old friends who's shown some integrity and disrespect is Caldwell.
50:56I mean, he was never an old friend, but at least...
51:14When you do something that he's recommended, for example, he said what you're doing in the economic field is 100% behind.
51:22He said anyone who's opposing it on the democratic side is a cheap politician.
51:29That scares me.
51:30I know what you're saying.
51:32What about the...
51:34I'm not saying it makes it good, but the others, as soon as you move towards the position that they recommended...
51:41They move off of it.
51:42They move off of it.
51:44So what happens here is... To go after you.
51:53The master of anyone, perhaps the timing was a coincidence, but perhaps not.
51:58We'll probably have an app.
51:59Yeah.
52:02A participatory app.
52:03Yeah, but didn't he also say perhaps it was a prize exacted by P. King?
52:07Yes.
52:07I mean, we could probably have an HD gesture exacted by P. King as the price the person's going to visit.
52:14I mean, really, on the timing, it was ours.
52:18We were the ones who proposed end of September, they gave us the first possible date after Highly Delighted.
52:44I moved to the Congress to get that place named the Kennedy Center.
52:48I was number one because I knew it would give us some money and it seemed like a good idea.
52:52I said I have to confess I never thought in the past that there were some Kennedys still living.
52:57I was only thinking of the Kennedy that was dead.
53:01I said it was the dumbest thing I had done in my entire life.
53:03I have regretted it to the very core ever since because I've had to deal with that miserable bunch of people.
53:10who are all absolutely despicable.
53:12And he just went on and on.
53:13Then he said, which was kind of an incredible way of saying it, he said, at first I had to start eating with Bobby, and then I got rid of him, which was sort of an odd way to put it.
53:24And I thought everything would be all right, and then Teddy came along, who was even worse, and his sisters are unbelievable.
53:30And he said, you know, I said, I'm sure you realize that all this stuff about the Kennedy's interest in the arts is pure crap.
53:35He said, there isn't one member of that family who has one iota of interest in or knowledge of the arts in any way, shape, or form.
53:43Yeah, that's absolutely true.
53:44And he just, you know, he just went on and on.
53:47Not whatsoever.
53:48Yeah, yeah.
53:50That's it.
53:51He said Jackie was the only one that had any, and she wasn't a candidate, had any competence in the field at all.
53:57And hers was very challenged, superficial, and done only for effect.
54:01And what's your judgment on this today, Harry?
54:07Oh, I think we should, I think, I think it's in the favor of the government, and I think he just scratched the concrete.
54:17But I think we'll take this on very hard.
54:20You're responsible.
54:23You've got to knock out the idea.
54:26You wouldn't find this idea.
54:29You see, we went all out.
54:33There's no question about that.
54:39You see?
54:41Right?
54:42We went all out.
54:43I explained it in the press conference.
54:45When we set the trip, which was early September, we believed the vote would be in the middle of November, which is when it has been every year for the past, well, as long as there's been a vote on that issue.
54:59Then, when it was set, we still had reason to believe.
55:03In fact, didn't Bill call you to?
55:05Sir, it was helping.
55:07First, it was helping, and secondly, the vote wouldn't be until November 2nd or 3rd.
55:12So that would have given us a week coming back where we could have postured it, saying...
55:17The whole idea is this.
55:20Let's keep it in context.
55:22First, thank God it was done this year.
55:26They're going to go out next year for sure.
55:28And if we'd have had this...
55:53A foreign aid.
55:54We gotta be responsible.
55:55We gotta get it.
55:56Don't put us on this too much on the side of being poor foreign aid.
55:59You understand, John?
56:01Yes, sir.
56:02No, that's no winner.
56:05No, that's gotta be quiet.
56:06Well, we were out of state.
56:07It was fine.
56:08It's highly irresponsible of them that we have to do this because of the interest of the United States.
56:16That's the position our president has to take.
56:19But the thing is, to kick the hell out of the
56:22These people were demagoguery and so forth, or people of peace initiatives and so forth.
56:30Well, except that Scott, that man, feels every time we've got a peace move going, he manages to do something.
56:37As far as I can tell, that vote yesterday on top areas really affects only Cambodia.
56:45Laos is being funded out of the other, out of the military budget.
56:50So is Vietnam.
56:52So is Vietnam, but Cambodia goes out of the foreign aid budget.
56:57Well, and we meet Cambodia for this year.
57:06Well, that, the way it is, is that Scott is going to work quietly, resurrecting that.
57:12He led the budget in the Foreign Relations Committee for this before.
57:16It was very crowded when he got out.
57:19Let him do his, let him do his.
57:21What's the situation?
57:21Who is around to talk about today, anybody?
57:25The Scottish and French are around.
57:26They're not around, are they?
57:28Well, I don't know.
57:29Can't be in the back.
57:30Somebody should be working there.
57:34Yeah.
57:35We should.
57:35Can't be in the back.
57:36But Griffin is ready.
57:37I talked to Griffin last night, and he's ready to...
57:39He was going to make a statement.
57:42It's really not...
57:43It's really not...
57:47Wow.
57:48Such a tower of jello.
58:02Scott, he's good.
58:04He's a tarantella most of the time, because he won't just believe in anything.
58:10But if he's foreign, he's very helpful.
58:14But only after I told him that there was no acceptable compromise language, and that you'd veto anything.
58:21Then he thought, he had a thought.
58:25He had six different versions of compromised languages, which he tried hard on me, and I said, I don't want to look at them.
58:30I said, there is no acceptable compromise.
58:33When Vin's going bad on the ground, he's got his own test, and he runs it hard, so when he thinks he's driving hard, as you pointed out last night, it's good, and he watches those folks.
58:43Right now, he's just a light that you carry, I see his voice.
58:46In fact, he calls that way.
58:49He gets a good signal to tell us in advance.
58:52He can't let the doctor try to compromise because he's let him try.
58:56That's right.
58:57Now all this thing, coming back to Teddy, I think he ought to have done pretty good about all those things.
59:09The cheap trips and so forth.
59:11What the hell are you talking about?
59:16And the time is on the horizon.
59:19Embarrassing, if you know what I mean.
59:26Oh, yeah.
59:27Hold on.
59:29They've got to be before 8 times, hasn't they?
59:32Right?
59:32Oh, at 4 and 8, there'll be 4 of us.
59:33I guarantee they'll have a scorching editorial tomorrow or the day after.
59:37No, they won't be scorching.
59:40They'll try to scorch us, but we did it because of them.
59:42They can't be lying.
59:45We caused it.
59:45We caused it by losing the bullet to UN.
59:49Well, what they'll say is that the president's statement this week led to 15 Republican senators feeling free, including the national chairman, to vote against the party.
1:00:05They look at their blood and records and find they also vote against it.
1:00:12But you know, Lacey,
1:00:21They know it's going to pass.
1:00:23They need to know who to save.
1:00:30What happened to the people on the Senate that we adopted?
1:00:37How did we get taken by surprise?
1:00:38I don't think they expected to vote, did they?
1:00:42No, I don't think they expected to vote.
1:00:44I think that's what caught them.
1:00:50I think they were called up and they didn't expect it.
1:00:53No, I think they expected it to be called up, but I don't think they expected all the Democrats to vote against it.
1:00:59Because we had won every amendment.
1:01:02They were right.
1:01:04I told you yesterday afternoon that we were going to vote.
1:01:08I didn't hear anybody talk about the vote coming yesterday.
1:01:12No, they said on Thursday at that meeting with the senators that it would come.
1:01:17But they were also... Everyone was worried...
1:01:21About the amendment.
1:01:22So all afternoon people were telling me that this was a smashing victory.
1:01:26Because no one could believe that the bill would be rejected once the amendment had passed.
1:01:36And that possibility wasn't even read.
1:01:52But I don't consider it impossible that the Democrats will try to get to the right of you now.
1:01:56Well, that's what Jackson said.
1:02:04He's not right.
1:02:06He's not right.
1:02:40They don't, they never, you know, they're so much as an attack, which is a good strategy to take.
1:02:47He had his, he had his attacks over, but he said, well, this is a wrong way to do it.
1:02:50That's like colleagues on a text will say things.
1:02:53It's a difficult, perfect political way to do it.
1:02:55He said, well, he hasn't even kept it to the business.
1:02:58He didn't run it over to his former opposition to Taiwan to support Beijing, to support the peace initiative.
1:03:06He hadn't done that to them.
1:03:09What he does is to say, well, and then he can say a couple of reasonable ones.
1:03:14It's a terrible thing to have Taiwan thrown out of the United Nations, and then to have us speaking to the old, you know, opposition.
1:03:21And now, for example, if a trip takes place, you know, he picks up every little thing he can, but all of them, not because he's opposed to it.
1:03:33You see, Henry had nothing to do with ideas.
1:03:37Go for the gun and look for a headline.
1:03:42Just say that's a terrible thing to do.
1:03:44Terrible thing.
1:03:46And you like those.
1:03:54He's caught up.
1:03:55What a hellish work around the country and also the great Britain that is.
1:04:02Irish and British again, I believe so.
1:04:06Marlowe's cartoon that came in this week from the Express.
1:04:14It's a great video.
1:04:15Teddy going outside saying, Britain, leave Ulster alone.
1:04:21And then he made the cartoon and said, he's an expert on leaving people alone.
1:04:27And then there's a picture of a car halfway under water.
1:04:32Well, maybe he did.
1:04:33Have you got that around?
1:04:34No, we haven't.
1:04:36Why don't you get it with every member of the Senate?
1:04:38I think it would be very well at this point that they're going to play this game.
1:04:44Why don't you get it around and have it just mailed to the British Embassy with that crop out there?
1:04:53Okay?
1:04:53Just get it around.
1:04:54And I think it's far more effective than your Monday stuff and all the other things that you can put up.
1:05:00Just the courage to have it mailed to the Democratic Party, you know,
1:05:04I think one should elevate Teddy by taking him on as a serious person.
1:05:09One should say that he's jumping into every headline.
1:05:16The best phrase to use with Teddy is immature rash.
1:05:25Rash, immature rash, impetuous, impetuous, impetuous, immature.
1:06:02That's what they've set up?
1:06:03To me, they've set an hour and a half, and I said, look, why don't you let the two gentlemen work it out with themselves?
1:06:10They set an hour and a half a day?
1:06:13Yeah, I said that's a great idea, but I know it's impossible.
1:06:33Yes.
1:06:34Oh, he made some very flabby statements about you.
1:06:40At the press club, at one of the... Yeah, yeah, interesting.
1:06:45He talked with you, rang sweetly.
1:06:49Don't go.
1:06:51Don't go.
1:06:53Don't go.
1:07:02No worries, none of us.
1:07:03As I've said, there isn't a vote that's been chipped in by us.
1:07:07It's probably being put, it isn't a statement, you see.
1:07:10It's just like anybody, like any partisan wanting to fight for some reason in the head, and then they find something else, you see.
1:07:18That's why this statement had a lot to do with it, because the people who have the real complaint, the conservatives, and who really are hurting, they are not saying anything.
1:07:54What they said was they were going to launch it down to Nixon.
1:07:58Delegate it.
1:07:58Delegate it in the primary.
1:08:01Well, they used to get it out.
1:08:03So that's that.
1:08:04This is one of those things.
1:08:06I wouldn't be concerned about it.
1:08:12I would have been there.
1:08:14Right.
1:08:14That's it.
1:08:16I don't think we would do that.
1:08:18I don't think so.
1:08:19Fine.
1:08:20But I don't think we would then.
1:08:24Well, who is it?
1:08:25It's Mitchell.
1:08:25I don't know.
1:08:26I don't care who the people are.
1:08:28I just saw that this morning.
1:08:30It's a certain kind of decision to be, well, you know, oh, you know, just sort of control.
1:08:41Yeah.
1:08:42You know, Reagan might have some lower echelon people that are sort of secretly doing that to her.
1:08:55Ja, ja, ja, ja.

Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Foreign aid and United Nations

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