Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Foreign aid and United Nations

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Oh, that's important.

Oh, right.

No?

They were pretty well covered with troops yesterday.

On the November 9th exercise, after Chicago, do you want to spend the night in Chicago, or do you want to come back after these?

Come back.

Right there.

All right, we'll do that at 10 o'clock.

and just keep it Wednesday morning clear as soon as you are done.

That's the way to go, you see, because it's better to go back before you're here than after school.

There's a, if you want to do anything out there, there is a possibility that you could spend the night.

There's a, excuse me, there's a,

The Clunstone Pavilion of the Illinois Masonic Medical Center being dedicated could be the next day.

I think not, which is to serve the Latin American community.

And it's a, you know, I don't know about Ricky Dane thing, if you want to do it.

I just don't think I want to do it.

I just think I'd rather go out there and do the rest of this, and the rest of it.

I'd rather just go out there and check back again to make this work.

I wouldn't believe it.

I think that's, I think it's better to come back.

If we're talking about that, I think it would be good to do something about it.

Okay, well, let's come back now.

That's much better.

Okay.

Laird wants to meet with you, he says, on Monday.

And he wants to cover his report on the Europe meeting and the plans for his Asian trip and his current thinking on the budget.

Henry doesn't want to have anything with him on the budget.

but they said you should meet with them on the first July, the Jim Trevors.

What's your plan on Monday again?

We've kept Monday clear.

Well, I've been there.

Late at five o'clock, so you can keep Monday clear if you want.

Well, I'll use, I'll use money for other purposes.

You know what I mean?

For various things, but maybe... Maybe, uh, you have any fortune on you?

We'll see you there at 4 o'clock.

We couldn't be there tonight.

We won't talk today.

The deal is to bring it up at any time.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm thinking about it.

Okay.

And you still want to go to the high up, to the high up, aren't you?

I mean, we can.

We can do as much as possible.

You know, the idea that you have that defense.

And I just don't want to have Larry out there slamming that.

Absolutely.

And another thing we've got to do is to get him to keep quiet on his trip up on a troop withdrawal.

Well...

What's the strategy in the morning?

I think we should just attack them.

They can't maintain this position.

Okay.

I have an indication that

And the fact that it seemed to be very strange, and apparently, I guess, that there wasn't a lot of war on it or something, and why not refuse to say, well, they had made a major effort on this, you know, we should have to do something.

Well, that's that, and then they picked that up in all the stories.

What major effort?

On foreign aid?

Yeah.

And the point is that they wanted to pick up something that we didn't really want to do, but my God,

Uh, they, uh, who ever we were, we were on every minute, and when we were on the spot every minute, we were waiting all day on the line.

That's why I talked to 20 senators Wednesday morning.

Really?

First day back.

Yeah.

And, uh, Thursday morning.

Rodgers went down and testified.

Oh, no, no.

I called Griffin last night when I heard that story.

No, no, he voted for us.

Oh, yeah.

No, it's what killed us were the Democrats.

The 1950s were Republicans.

Yeah.

It's like a very, yeah, it's a very obvious combination.

Those are the 15 Republicans that always voted against 48.

There's nothing you can really say about that.

But the Democrats are the dumb Democrats.

And the point is, it's 41 votes.

It's not 51.

And they give everybody what they want.

Yeah.

41 and 27.

Yeah.

No one suspected that this could happen.

And we were all congratulating ourselves all day long.

We won one.

The point is, Bob, we were resolved last night.

I don't think that's what the story said.

I don't think it was White House's question.

I think it was the question of the...

It said that White House refused to answer, respond as to whether or not a major effort was made for the White House, you know what I mean?

And also it was...

And I'm sure we're going to have to review each and every one of them, whether they regret it on the part of the White House or whether they love it in the Republican Party.

Of course you say, of course we regret it.

In fact, we do respond to it.

What the hell have you been doing all week?

Yeah.

I don't know.

They do so well.

There are no such questions.

They're caught late at night.

Christ, they're afraid of seven kids, aren't they?

I'm not sure that they actually said that, because Ziegler was there.

And, uh, while those bastards, they've been dying to get an issue on foreign policy, and, uh,

It's unbelievable what it was.

I would never have believed it possible that disloyalty could be carried to those extremes.

It's true.

Every time we get our head above water, these people push it down.

And not for any issue of principle.

I mean, this is the party that put through foreign aid.

And now they all suddenly discover a great love for Taiwan.

I don't remember that Teddy Kennedy, who is now laughing, ever said... What do you think about his speech at the time?

The revolting.

Revolting.

First of all, he was against Iran in the old days.

But second, he kind of gets out of the gist of what you're mentioning.

And no one will ever know the secret deal we may have made with P.K.

The son of a bitch.

That's... What is that very useful?

I don't know.

In fact, I had Galbraith in my office.

He was at times beginning to tell me what was going on there.

I wonder, Chuck, if your people didn't get any harm or anything.

I don't know.

That was totally... Where's he been on the Taiwan thing before, you know?

You know the situation.

Now you're bleeding about Taiwan.

The price is, he's voting against me for Taiwan.

Correct?

I don't know what he voted against, but he's been screaming about our reliance on dictatorial allies in Asia.

Well, his first statement this week was that we shouldn't be too concerned over the expulsion of Taiwan.

Let's look at the process.

This kid said that earlier.

He said that immediately after the U.S. vote.

So that was it.

Yesterday's was a real, if he's quoted correctly, it's a real switch.

I was just saying that he was quoted correctly, but I didn't hear his story.

He wasn't quoted correctly.

I'm sure he was.

I just asked for the full report of it because I never worry about whether he's quoted correctly.

The point is it's not part of the law.

They hang him on it in, like they were saying, regardless of how well he's raised.

And somebody's got to do it, maybe the operatives and so forth, because I just wonder if some of them may be out of state because they squeal a lot because of the trip.

Oh, well, the whole thing is out of state.

That's why they're both like that.

Don't you think?

So when I had the Kennedy speech, what do you think?

Some of that, some of that, because that's too goddamn sophisticated about, well, I don't know why you're really serious with me, because you're trying to do a goddamn thing to do with that.

I mean, that's just raising us as straight people.

I know what I was doing at that time.

You're right when I guess I'm raising you.

You're right when you're not raising me.

Jackson, Jackson did, impliedly,

the conservative Democrats, but not as the Republicans.

No, but I mean both.

We need the Reagans and the rest in our case.

That's my point.

I think this is a leak out of the... What do you think, Harry?

I think it's certainly the state line that they're feeding out.

I can't say that they gave it to Kennedy, but it's what they've been putting out to commoners and others.

It's quite a speech.

It's interesting, Chuck, that the Times gives it such a great play.

I think they're going to be blind to the belief that they've got.

And they're getting a little desperate, and they must be scoring.

You see my point?

Mm-hmm.

A little titty.

That's right.

And another thing, when he said he hoped that the election would be a big one.

Yeah.

But a fixed star on our planet.

He's not a comet, but a star.

Maybe I should go down and talk to him for a few minutes and see where he's going to go.

What does McGregor think they can do with Scott?

What are they going to do?

John, McCracker was out of town last night when I reached him, and Scott wasn't reached until I talked to Griffin.

McCracker said they had to introduce something on Monday.

A new bill.

Yeah.

Scott wasn't there.

He was there.

I expected it to be 41 to 26, but he wasn't there either.

Yeah, he wasn't there.

He was paired with, it's kind of interesting, with Sonny.

I think they're going to reverse themselves.

Why?

Because every newspaper and television broadcast is going to jump all over them.

Can they, under their rules, can they concede to reconsider on that?

No, they will kill him.

They will kill him.

That's all we've got to talk about.

That's all we've done.

The right thing to do, I think, to reconsider has to be done in the same session.

They did last night.

No, no.

Let me just say that you never have to ask questions.

When anybody wins a vote in the Senate or the House, in a settled note, by a voice vote,

After they win the vote, they say, somebody gets up and says, I move to reconsider.

Somebody says, I move to lay that on the table.

All those in favor will say aye.

All those in favor say no.

And that always wins.

And that kills it.

And they always go in there and say, never.

It's over.

So there has to be a new thing.

That's it.

You know, those boys would never leave that and go.

The committee would, under normal circumstances, the committee would come out with another bill.

And I don't know if it's going to be introduced.

It's going to be introduced.

And what it shows is that putting foreign aid into the Foreign Relations Committee is a disaster.

I mean, foreign aid couldn't be helped, but military aid.

Everyone told us last year this wasn't a problem.

Yeah, you see the military aid being in there.

It gives the Nancevilles and the rest of the channel...

Of course, you notice, now here's a tentacle, I don't know, Rogers, who also elated about church, and he does statements about our foreign policy.

I tell him, I say, they're out there.

You should cut it out.

Of course, they also lead the public opinion polls,

People want us to cut $15 billion.

People are against foreign aid, correct.

And so these people are totally...

I believe we're against it.

I used to vote for it, and it had never been before.

It's never popular.

If it doesn't happen, it's something you've had to do regardless.

You go back and talk to them.

I think it's a question of why I think that all of our candidates and others, they're just disturbed about issues and so forth.

They're going to crap at anything they can.

I was looking for an issue.

I'm looking for an issue.

I'm curious if they can find anything.

It's all right.

It's their right.

I was in trouble with the whole Henry and Bill thing.

One of them was so naive.

Henry had plenty of senators.

They were all applauding.

Said, what a great policy we had.

Bill went before the committee and said, gee, we've never been in a better shape.

Oh, Bill was just excited that you came to the committee.

It is.

They don't realize that as far as these other guys are concerned, I mean, it's very partisan.

It's not much national, you know.

You skip through any goose or a bear to get caught in a kind of crafty thing.

It's always unbelievable.

And further down there, the more distant they are from campus, you've got to remember that these are partisans, and they sound good to you when they talk to you.

I've tried it for a second.

I've heard him smile.

I've heard Rocky talk about it.

He's a poor person.

He's always said it.

full-blown racism.

It's an enemy.

They're enemies.

Cut your guts out.

We're having a nice time.

He did that.

He'll say something nice to the party.

We're having two weeks.

If he knows... Why do you think... What's the...

I think he's doing what he has done on four of our other issues.

He has just taken a contrary position to you and a slashing political attack to write news and to assert the issue.

And there's been really no consistency to the piece.

He has said things on other issues

are consistent, we're very extreme for him.

Like the POW issue, like the guys who are wanting to end the war next year instead of this year, and we'll try to get political credit next year.

He's done this four or five times this year.

He lashed it way, way in.

This has been a pattern.

Totally disregarding how Nicky realizes that he can get away with it where others can't, where he can make this kind of a speech and he won't bring down the reds

Time is weak in all the media for being thoroughly irresponsible and inconsistent.

You know, he can get away with it.

They lose.

No, as a matter of fact, they'll play a little of that themselves, because they'll...

The time is weak, so for all of the post-highlanders who still join the State Department of Criticization, it gives you trip.

Now, that's... At the time, it gives you trip.

That stage of pushing that line.

I've got to write off, you know, a question about that there.

It had not a goddamn thing to do with the vote.

We couldn't do it any other time.

But nevertheless, nevertheless, that's what they're going to do.

And it also feels, and being elsewhere, too, about the U.N.

The U.N. voted, and now what are we going to do?

Are we going to just accept that?

Are we going to do something about it?

This and that.

I can get Peter to wait here to really, you know, to share his very, uh, very excited about that with the U.N.

He just wishes that well, I think.

Maybe he has to.

He doesn't deal with it.

Find out, and I'll apologize.

I think we're hissing and booing while you're sleeping.

Yeah, it's almost a pretty god damn technical business.

Just as well.

Well, I can get George Bush to take Teddy on.

He's eager to tango anybody.

He'd love to take Teddy on.

I'll let him go.

He's got a mission he has to follow.

That'd be the way to go next, isn't it?

Well, I've given him the Israel, but he was not, but she still had to deal with some issues.

Good.

And I'll add this to that.

Well, they did your thing, and making it a fact that there's no fighting about the conduct of the delegates and so forth, whether we still support the U.N.

Well, look at Teddy.

Teddy has turned around 180 degrees.

He was the one that made the most glowing, it's the first and the most glowing statement about the Chinese.

You remember?

So immediately after you immediately after us.

Now he's, he comes around.

Now, because they kicked Taiwan out.

This is totally inconsistent with what it is.

You can't have it both ways.

You can't say that it was one of the greatest moves.

It was a national tragedy because I don't want to pull it out of money to pick him up on a Kennedy versus Kennedy thing, but it's... Why don't you get back to the...

I think you may find that he has said something about getting the high one out.

You know, the previous

See what I mean?

I don't have that research as well.

Yeah, so the question is, no, so the question is, I think his position is dead.

Well, listen, well, that's the position of all of us.

I'm sure he should be kicked out of China.

Well, he said it Tuesday.

He said that after the UN vote, he said, we shouldn't be too dismayed over this.

It was too bad, but let's go on with it.

But then he goes before this, it's his name in this group, that he spoke to his, yeah, and his statement is in the report he gave.

We'll get to this in just a minute.

It's the last day.

Well, there's no way to call the peace through this particular point in the times.

Where O'Rourke is there.

Yeah.

This isn't a piece du roi.

No, no, not a piece du roi.

It's one of those funner pieces or something like that.

But it's typical of that group.

You see here, all these piece types are just concomitant.

We might get the credit for doing it.

That's it.

So it's purely what it is.

These are all, these are all the most far-off, patent peacemakers, as you see.

And they've got them off the wall because of the war being ended.

And China and Russia, it's killing them.

And also, they're going after this thing.

They were supposed to be inconsistent.

The other thing is also, I think, hitting the line, which may be legitimate.

Well, if I lose in this vote, and in this resolution and so forth, about the UN, we're hurting the United Nations.

That's a sort of far-out region.

The next line that we will get is that because we were angered over the UN's conduct this week, we killed before any of this.

Oh, you did?

That's correct.

That'll go with it this week.

That's correct.

That's what we're going to say now.

But then we look at the voting lab.

It's pretty hard to sustain that when we eventually go voting against the poor hate of the Democratic leader, plus a lot of Democratic voters.

It's hard to make that case.

In fact, the only people that, in fact, that this social movement, that voted in Taiwan, would be the Republicans who have always been against foreign aid.

They've always been against it.

They're the only ones that give a damn about the conduct of the UN.

That's right.

As a matter of fact, on that, they've got a loser.

On the issue of foreign aid, it was so weak.

But then, they asked who?

about wringing their hands, about killing foreign aid, and so forth, isn't going to make any goddamn most of the country concerned.

Nobody gives a one-finger damn that foreign aid was killed and who was responsible.

So we're going to consider double-tending for us to save it.

We've got to save it.

Send people to give it to them.

They're glad that we saved $3 million.

And speaking for General Randall, everybody's going to try and waste it.

They borrowed the U.S. concern.

All of them.

except that it made a lot of difference.

It further makes a difference, which I was about to say.

The elections.

Exactly.

That's where the debate goes on about the odds.

I was noting, you know, I agree with you this morning.

I'm just thinking about the appointments of judges.

All that bullshit with regard to who and how it was done.

I think that has about a blip in the country.

I'm sure you're in power.

Hurry up.

That's right.

Thank you.

I don't feel it.

It's enough time.

You're subdued, sunshine.

But it is very interesting anyway.

What the hell, you know, that's the point.

The only thing people around here care about, whether or not the ADA improves somebody, and whether or not this panel's in front or this one's in front.

Maybe whether or not it's going to be on a deal of that intrigue.

But otherwise, oh, a lot of that's not seen the other way now, with people saying that ADA business was a degrading process anyway, and it's a good thing it's dropped.

But I meant it.

I meant it.

We all get it.

Everybody around here gets charged up about how that's business about the APA.

Now, this week it was the UN.

I'm not sure if the country's all that charged up about it.

And then it's foreign aid.

Well, I didn't charge it right.

They'll try to blame foreign aid for the dissolution over the UN.

We don't create help.

We had a dissolution by criticizing the UN's conduct.

I'm sorry.

What did you say?

We still have four days.

Maybe we get a little credit for that.

I think we're probably right.

I think they got a little value back in, but they'll have to find a way to continue the resolution.

So that apparently is good until .

And they split, go down for military, go through the armed services.

That would be uncertain.

Of course, you've got a lot of economic aid for some of these cities.

Very important part of that.

Aid for Israel in a whole bit.

Israel, then, is a... Well, I've never spoke out about being one of the consul-in-command.

Well, that's why I'm convinced.

The pressures that we've got to work out these guys will be...

They'll come back to the direction.

We're killing the lobbies.

They resisted killing the creepy gang.

They were responsible on that.

They were responsible on it.

Were you there?

You've seen folks like this before.

You've seen them laying on their head in the front, eating in the front.

Nobody there.

They're tired.

They're mad.

Nobody's there.

I'm like, I just can't sit still.

You know, no flexing my muscles for a change.

And I didn't go back next week to prepare for it.

I'm sure we're playing very heavily this weekend because it gets a lot of sophisticated writers and columnists excited.

Well, also because of Tyson and the U.S. and China.

Tyson had big issues.

Of course, it really wouldn't give them a chance to kick us around.

They want to say that we're, you know, we're going to have a big attack.

On the other hand, what you, Rogers, and Bush said,

was that the U.N. acted very unquietly because the attitude of the Congress and the country was different.

There it is, this living proof.

I said it in turn.

I mean, it's very different altogether.

The funds for the U.N. that we needed, but we kicked out hard to get it.

We fought the amendments.

But it's new, and we fought in one.

And Ziegler's, Ziegler, when she issued said that you, your support continues undiminished.

But one has to recognize the realities that this will make it very difficult.

Correct.

It did.

Well, there's something that he said.

He said, you want to be too.

Of course, we can come out now and say it's irresponsible for him to do it.

Believe me.

What he gets for it may be on the side of the angels.

Oh, you see, the people that are before him,

are responsible, but you get every goddamn... People who are against the U.N. are against foreign aid.

People who are against the Greeks are against foreign aid.

People who are against all these days are against foreign aid.

You see what I mean?

You have them all out.

And then you've got a lot of people just against foreign aid as a general principle, right?

Against it because it's wasteful.

It's a waste, that's all.

I think it's a goddamn loser.

It's just a case where responsible senators and congressmen have to vote for it.

That's all.

They've done it for years.

It's part of...

the cost of leadership, the rule of leadership.

We have, I don't know, what do you think we ought to do?

We ought to give people an idea on this, on this academy thing.

But I don't see any work.

You know, we've got this text, Collins takes off the text on that.

I'm trying to take it off.

We have, I mean, the whole bureaucratic, the whole bureaucratic table, it's purely, it's purely partisan stuff.

It's a goddamned amount.

You know, I recall the Republicans were out.

Jesus Christ, they terribly called on anybody who wasn't totally responsible, as soon as, remember?

No, he didn't.

Absolutely.

I was usually very responsible and still very responsible for it.

You'd get out there, you'd get a raider, a gold hunter out there, and they'd murder them.

They'd crucify them.

Now, here are these people.

Nor would they ever want to get away with it.

Well, our congressmen and senators during the Kennedy presidency years just wouldn't criticize them.

They would never take them.

They sure didn't.

You know, it was a silence.

And most of the Christians, not outside, but during the war, they would cry.

They would cry.

passing state law, state law opposition, they want to do it.

Loyal opposition, that's what it really was.

Loyal on behalf of the ministry.

Check all of the people we have speaking this weekend.

I know Bill was getting slightly mad at me.

Okay, yeah, common rights.

Good idea.

Yeah.

And it didn't go down.

This was real.

That's right.

You've got Eliot speaking in Boston at the Jewish convention.

He could have some fun up there in Kennedy's hometown.

He didn't get the facts.

Well, he could take on the Israel question.

Yeah, the Israel question, but he could also...

Yeah, he kept me on Israel and Boston.

Yeah, I think he could also take on the total switcheroo of the Chinese.

First of the week he said that.

It's the last of the week he said that.

Praise the Chinese.

That's the one that would make Mr. Elliott up there.

Well, he loves it.

I can't see anything.

He's enjoying it.

He wants to help things.

Yeah.

The first of the week, you see, the first of the week took the life of... What was it we said?

We said we're disappointed that Taiwan was thrown out of the bus, not what the skewer, the bigger issue, which is we've opened a new business for the world, world peace.

Normalized relations with the UK.

He gave you the most tempered... No, this is a totally different temper.

This is the most intempered thing.

But I think somebody got to him during the weekend and said, look, here's where you can score.

You can delegate this issue.

Plus, the public is upset about this.

Get on the right side.

So he can't.

Well, plus he doesn't.

I think your theory is exactly right.

I don't think he's worrying about which side he's on.

I think his strategy is to hit very hard.

Well, when he can, you know, way out, go past anybody else.

What he has to do is what the society can't do.

to walk into a leadership vacuum.

He's discovering the other side of things.

So, just get out of the crowd.

You know, let's show the other way.

And the other way, the company's a middle way.

That's right.

Bobby did the same thing.

Bobby was the one that the press loved him for it.

But he was, of course, he banged Johnson every time.

Now, here's today, he's banging us every time.

The press loves him.

And he's citing people, too.

He's going on that.

That's right.

Same thing Bobby did of stirring the juices.

That's right.

He was the anchor.

Well, that speech of ours was incredible.

That's not getting picked up.

It's a good second wave of criticism going at it.

Well, but look at it.

He gets away with all of it.

His Irish thing, we all said, wasn't that terrible.

Who cared?

Harvard, Boston, wasn't that terrible.

Who cared?

I got one of these with a Sunday average candidate.

Really something.

Thanks.

I was off on this with a complete whirl around the mid-air.

The crawling statement was far more damaging than Romney's brainwash statement.

And if the press had jumped on that the way they jumped on Romney, you'd consent to any of it.

That's been lost now, hasn't it, Chuck?

It was hinted at.

No, it bounces up every now and then after this.

But not by the time Romney got brainwashed.

The press had jumped on it, but by the week, it was bloody gone.

If you watch, the press, it won't be funny in a second.

The speech, of course, it was in New York, and that's why that sometimes doesn't do it.

The title of the forum ain't there.

But here's a guy that, for God's sake, turned around and made a meeting.

You've got to be careful about it.

I mentioned it to Henry, I want to mention it, or he wrote it up.

Glenn was about to...

He is sober, sensitive about it.

State's dropping that discussion about finding a discrepant.

We've got to always say it had nothing to do with the original piece.

And it didn't.

And you can't find a book that didn't change.

It's a different discrepant, not a goddamn one.

And the state's opposition, their opposition has nothing to do with the type of discrepant, but if they were against it, it's going to all break up, absolutely.

I'm just reassuring him.

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You see, the whole thing about the matter is, we've had them up for three times.

Irresponsibility.

Yeah.

Somebody should do a whole catalog of problems.

The Irish, but not just you, but I got as much as much, but irresponsibility.

The Irish, now this, where he said something that he, on the one hand, praised the Chinese nation, and don't worry about it.

On the other hand, he said that I...

terrible that we did the administration for the president.

I'm pretty good at this, and I think it should be possible for me to do it again in a long time.

I'm pretty good at this, and I think it should be possible

I mean, our scouts believe it.

Some of our guys purge cold water.

And he wasn't there yesterday, and he just scummed out his clothes.

Well, that sale was very, very hard for the ladies to have.

Thanks, Bill.

He's done so hard as far as I can.

He's pretty much broken everything with us.

And do you think we will go?

We never get up that high.

I'm sure of my own statement to you.

How about getting that in the last 15 minutes?

So we're out of here.

So on that kind of thing, you know, we're going to get strange statements over here.

And I still already have a great, great idea of where we're going.

What everybody intends is that he's a very partisan, tough politician.

He is.

He has this veneer of being a nice, sweet gentleman, but then he's a damn tough partisan Democrat.

Bond believes deeply in all this.

He's also a partisan pacifist.

He's been a pacifist for years.

And he is a partisan politician.

He wouldn't be the leader if he weren't.

And there he is, playing that game in his most private meetings, you know, he's tough as hell.

He's from, yeah, he's capable of coming up with those incredible, these unpartisan types of statements now and then.

He's from the Massachusetts Irish political, basically an Irish Catholic demonstration.

There's a lot of experience.

He's like me.

Very good.

Thank you, and all the rest.

Well, I'm gonna go.

I'm more concerned, frankly, about Florida and the U.S. Are you?

No, Bush could hit us.

Bush could hit us.

If you've got any kind of question on that, you could hit the crawling thing, too.

Just by saying, well, it doesn't surprise me very much.

On the same hand, he would crawl to the...

Crawl to the peace conference.

I'd expect him to take the seat.

Now, let me know if you can do it.

Just wait a minute.

I don't have the problem.

He could also attempt to look at the position of the UN.

It's not partisan.

I have to give you a sense of respect.

It depends.

He must do it in the order that he is intended.

We are for the UN.

We just need a little contact with some certain delegates.

I've heard from the delegates that they've got to be UN-supported.

And that's exactly what we would like to happen.

That's exactly what he said.

I'm sorry.

This is a bad day for the U.S. No, you've been making speeches supporting him.

You know, he'll murder you next year, but...

He said that Teddy, first of all, he thinks Teddy is going to go for it.

Now, secondly, he said Teddy, just as Chuck said, first made a statement.

He said first Teddy made a statement that

that sort of went along with the vote.

And so a lot of people said he's got to get into opposition to you one way or another, including Harriman.

And so he said, you know, Kennedy isn't very proud.

So he said his wife, Kitty, he didn't talk to anybody.

Kitty wrote with him, I guess down from New York yesterday or somewhere, that this was a cheap trick.

And he said he was misreported, that what he wanted was to say you had no moral right to attack anybody on the U.N. vote because you yourself had that

That's what I told Cal.

Fund for Peace.

That's a foundation that is funded by the organization, I believe.

Fund for Peace?

Yes, sir.

It's a nonprofit.

But you know, there it is, points out, points out at the time that they, that he has to meet you, and meet you up, and show you that Henry here is also your, what, your old friends.

And hell, they don't, they don't know goddamn about that.

Now, that's totally irresponsible.

They've got to know it.

I must say, the only one of my old friends who's shown some integrity and disrespect is Caldwell.

I mean, he was never an old friend, but at least,

When you do something that he's recommended, for example, he said what you're doing in the economic field is 100% behind.

He said anyone who's opposing it on the Democratic side is a cheap politician.

That scares me.

Yeah, I know.

What about the...

I'm not saying it makes it good, but the others, as soon as you move towards the position that they recommended...

They move off of it.

So he thinks that what happened here is that he decided to go after you.

He's just the master of anyone.

Perhaps the timing was a coincidence, but perhaps not.

We'll probably have that.

Yeah.

And didn't he also say perhaps it was a prize exacted by P. King?

Yes.

I mean, we could probably have it made easier to be exacted by P. King as the price the person's going to visit.

I mean, really.

On the timing, it was ours.

We were the ones who proposed end of September, April gave us the first possible date after the King, after Highly Delighted.

in a wave of emotion

moved to the Congress to get that place made to Kennedy Center.

I was number one because I knew it would give us some money and it seemed like a good idea.

He said, I have to confess I never thought in the past that there were some Kennedys still living.

I was only thinking of the Kennedy that was dead.

He said it was the dumbest thing I had done in my entire life.

I have regretted it to the very core ever since because I've had to deal with that miserable bunch of people.

who are all absolutely despicable.

And he just went on and on.

Then he said, which was kind of an incredible way of saying it, he said, at first I had to start eating with Bobby.

Then I got rid of him, which was sort of an odd way to put it.

And I thought everything would be all right.

And then Teddy came along, who was even worse.

And his sisters are unbelievable.

And he said, you know, he said, I'm sure you realize that all this stuff about the Kennedy's interest in the arts is pure crap.

He said, there isn't one member of that family who has one iota of interest in or knowledge of the arts in any way, shape, or form.

Yeah, that's absolutely true.

And he just, you know, he just went on and on.

Not whatsoever.

Yeah, yeah.

That's it.

He said Jackie was the only one that had any, and she wasn't a candidate, had any confidence in the field at all.

And she, hers was very challenged, superficial, and done only for effect.

So what's your judgment on this today, Gary?

Oh, I think we should, I think, I think it's in the favor of the building model.

I think he just scratched the concrete.

But I think we'll take this on very carefully.

You're responsible.

You're responsible by telling them.

But you've got to knock out the idea.

You wouldn't find this idea of finding a crypt for the purpose of saving the Taiwan and so forth.

You see, we went all out.

There's no question about that.

You see?

Right?

We went all out.

I explained it in the press conference.

When we set the trip, which was early September, we believed the vote would be in the middle of November, which is when it has been every year for the past, well, as long as there's been a vote on that issue.

Then, when it was set, we still had reason to believe.

In fact, didn't Bill call you to?

So it was up.

First, it was helping, and secondly, the vote wouldn't be until November 2nd or 3rd.

so that would have given us a week coming back where we could have postulated saying the whole wise was let's let's keep context especially first thank god it was done this year they're going to go out next year for sure and if we didn't have this

And so that's it.

Well, thank God it's done.

And second, it's a blip.

Believe me, that's the right wing is going to yell, and why did we do this, and we screwed it up, and so forth.

But we've got to confuse it by being on the side of the angels.

We're against, I mean, let's kick the U.N., the conduct of the cannibals.

We've got to kick the...

a foreign aid.

We've got to be responsible.

We've got to get them.

Don't put us on this too much on the side of being poor foreign aid.

Do you understand, John?

Yes, sir.

No, that's no winner.

No, that's got to be quiet.

Well, we were out of the state.

It was biased.

It's highly irresponsible of the state that we have to do this because of the interest of the United States.

That's the position our president has to take.

But the main thing is to kick the hell out of the state.

of these people who are in the demagoguery and so forth, or people of these issues and so forth.

Well, except that Scott, that man, feels every time we've got a peace move going, he manages to do something.

As far as I can tell, that vote yesterday on top areas really affects only Cambodia.

Laos is being funded out of the other, out of the military budget.

So is Vietnam.

So is Vietnam, but Cambodia goes out of the foreign aid budget.

Well, and we meet Cambodia for this year.

Well, the way that this is, Scott is going to work quietly, resurrecting that.

He led the budget in the Foreign Relations Committee for this before.

It was very crowded when he got out.

Let him do his, let him do his.

What's the situation?

Who is around to talk about today, anybody?

The Scottish and Federal Army.

They're not around, Steve.

Well, I don't know.

We can't do the banking.

Somebody should be working on that.

Yeah.

We should.

Can't do the banking.

But Griffin is ready.

I talked to Griffin last night, and he's ready to, he was going to make a statement.

It's really not, it's really not, sir.

Wow.

Such a tower of jello.

Scott, he's good.

He's a tarantella most of the time because he won't just believe in anything.

But if he's foreign, he's very helpful.

But only after I told him that there was no acceptable compromise language and that you'd veto anything.

Then he thought.

He had a thought.

he had six different versions of compromise languages which he tried out on me and i said i don't want to look at them if there is no acceptable conflict right now he's just a light that you carry i see his voice like he calls out what he

When he gets a good signal, he'll tell us in advance.

He can't let him go after trying to compromise.

That's because he's let him try.

That's right.

Well, he is.

Now, all this thing that I'm getting back to Teddy, I think he ought to get on there and talk pretty good about all those things.

I will.

The cheap trips and so forth.

What the hell are you talking about?

And he'd love the time or something.

Right.

Embarrassing, if you know what I mean.

Oh, yeah.

Go on.

They've got to be before 8, the Times has to.

Right?

Oh, on 4 and 8, there'll be four of us.

They'll have, I guarantee they'll have a scorching editorial tomorrow of the day.

No, they won't be scorching.

They'll try to scorch us, but we did it because of them.

They can't be lying.

Yeah.

We caused it.

We caused it by losing the vote at the UN.

They don't have a torture line.

Well, what they'll say is that the president's statement this week led to 15 Republican senators feeling free, including the national chairman, to vote against the party.

They look at their blood and records and find they all vote against it.

But you know, Lacey,

They've had a free run, they know it's going to pass.

They need to know who to save.

What happened to our, what happened to the people on the Senate that we were, we adopted?

How did we get taken by surprise?

I don't think they expected to vote, did they?

No, I don't think they expected to vote.

I think that's what caught them.

I just feel called up and they didn't expect it.

No, I think they expected it to be called up, but I don't think they expected all the Democrats to vote against it.

Because we had won every amendment.

They were right.

I told you yesterday afternoon that we were going to vote.

I didn't hear anybody talk about the vote coming yesterday.

No, they said on Thursday at that meeting with the Senators that it would come.

But they were also... Everyone was worried...

about the amendment, so all afternoon people were telling me that this was a smashing victory, because no one could believe that the bill would be rejected once the amendment had passed.

And that possibility wasn't even raised.

But I don't consider it impossible that the Democrats will get to the right, try to get to the right of you now.

Well, that's what, that's what Jackson may need to do.

That's all right.

All right.

in his whole people of the left.

Kennedy's basically got his people of the left.

This is just an attack.

It's an attack on tactics, isn't it?

He's not worried about the position of Kennedy.

He just attacked.

Just for the sake of making news.

Yeah, just for the sake of making news.

And saying, well, we did good, right?

You know, it's the same thing as the states and America.

They don't, they never, you know, they're so much as an attack against the Rochelle Center.

It's a good strategy to take.

He had his, he had his attacks over, but he said, well, this is a wrong way to do it.

That's like hollering at someone.

Text will say the name.

It's a typical political way of doing it.

He said, well, he hasn't even kept to the business of the letter.

He didn't run it over to his former opposition to Taiwan to support the peace mission.

He wouldn't have done that to them.

And what he does, you say, well, and then you see a couple of reasons why it's a terrible thing to have Taiwan thrown out of the United Nations.

And then to have us speaking to the old, you know, opposition.

And now, you know, he picks up every little thing he can.

But all, all, not because he's opposed to it.

You see, Henry had nothing to do with ideas.

Go for the gun and look for a headline.

Just say that's a terrible thing to do.

Terrible thing.

And you like those.

He's caught up.

What a hellish work around the country and also the great Britain.

Irish and British, you know.

Marvelous cartoon that came in this week from the Express.

It's a great video.

Teddy going outside saying, Britain, leave Ulster alone.

And then he made the cartoon and said, he's an expert on leaving people alone.

And then there's a picture of a car halfway underwater.

Well, maybe he did.

Have you got that around?

No, we haven't.

Why don't you get it with every member of the Senate?

I think it would be very well at this point that they're going to play this game.

Why don't you get around having this mailed to the British Embassy with that crop out there?

Just get it around.

I think it's far more effective than your Monday stuff and all the other things that you can put up.

Just the courage to have it mailed to the Democratic Party.

I think one should elevate Teddy by taking him on as a serious person.

One should say that he's jumping into every headline.

The best, the best, the best phrase to use with Teddy, I can always do this, is immature rash.

When I talk about him as being immature, rash, immature, rash, impeccable, impetuous, flawless, rash, impetuous, immature.

Because that feeds on what people really think of him.

Because his Irish, I mean, his officer statement, all, every running off to India.

What's he expected to do?

Well, instead of having...

That's what they've set up?

To me, they've set an hour and a half, and I said, look, why don't you let the two gentlemen work it out with them?

They set an hour and a half a day?

Yeah, I said that's a great idea, but I know it's impossible.

Yes.

Oh, he made some very flabby statements about you at the Crest Club at one of the...

He talked with you, rang sweetly.

Don't go.

No worries, none of us.

As I've said, there isn't a vote that's been chipped in by it.

It's probably being put, it isn't a statement, you see.

It's just like anybody, like any artist wanting to find some reason in heaven, and then they find something else, you see.

That's why this statement had a lot to do with it, because the people who have the real complaint, the conservatives, and who really are hurting, they are not saying anything.

Oh, I see that the Republicans, sometimes in Iraq, and what is that?

I thought they picked up and then...

What they said was they were going to launch a double-mix delegation in the partner area.

Well, they used to get them out.

So that's that.

This is one of those things I wouldn't be concerned about.

I'd let her get there.

But I don't think she would then.

Well, who is it?

It's Mitchell.

I don't know.

I don't care who the people are.

I just saw that this morning.

So I'll check it out.

It's interesting to me.

Well, oh, yeah.

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