On October 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, unknown person(s), and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:54 am to 9:58 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 609-003 of the White House Tapes.
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Oh, that's important.
All right.
On the November 9th exercise, after Chicago, do you want to spend the night in Chicago, or do you want to come back after this?
Come back.
Right there.
All right, we'll do that at 10 o'clock.
It's a...
The Clunstone Pavilion of the Illinois Masonic Medical Center being dedicated could be the next day.
I think not, which is to serve the Latin American community, and it's a, you know, I don't know about the eating thing, if you want to do it.
I just don't think I want to do it.
I just think I'd rather go out there and eat the rest of this, and the rest of it.
I'd rather just go out there and check back again, because I wouldn't believe it.
I think it's better to come back.
We're talking out there.
I think it would be good to do something.
Okay, well let's come back now.
Laird wants to meet with you, he says, on Monday.
And he wants to cover his report on the Europe meeting and the plans for his Asian trip and his current thinking on the budget.
Henry doesn't want to have anything with him on the budget.
They said you should meet with them on the first July, the Jim Trevors.
That's amazing.
What's your plan on Monday?
We've kept Monday clear.
Well, I've been there.
It's late, 5 o'clock.
You can keep Monday clear if you want.
Well, I'll use money for other purposes.
You know, I mean, for various things, but maybe... Maybe, uh... Yeah, of course...
We'll see you there at 4 o'clock.
We'll be there.
We won't talk today.
The deal is to bring it up at any time.
Ok. And you still want to go to the high up?
To the high up, aren't you?
I mean, we can...
Absolutely.
And another thing we've got to do is to get him to keep quiet on his trip upon a troop withdrawal.
Well...
I think we should just attack them.
They can't maintain this position.
I have an indication that...
The point is that they want to pick up something that we didn't really want to do, but my God...
We were on every minute.
That's why I talked to 20 senators Wednesday morning, Thursday back, and Thursday morning.
Oh, no, no.
I called Griffin last night when I heard that story.
No, no, he voted for us.
Oh, yeah.
No, it's what killed us were the Democrats.
The 1950s republicans.
Yeah.
It's like a very, yeah, it's a big, obvious combination.
The 15 republicans have always voted against 48.
You can really say about that.
But the Democrats are the dumb Democrats.
And the point is, it's 41 votes.
It's not 51.
They give everybody what they want.
41 and 27.
Yeah.
No one suspected that this could happen.
And we were all congratulating ourselves all day long.
We won one.
They can't believe them.
The point is, we were resolved last night.
I don't think that's what the story said.
I don't think it was White House's question.
I think it was the question of the...
It said that White House refused to answer, respond as to whether or not a major effort was made for the White House, you know what I mean?
And also it was...
And I'm sure we're going to have to review each and the same thing, whether they regret it on the part of the White House, or whether they love it in the Republican Party.
Of course we say, of course we regret it.
And secondly, we do respond to it.
What the hell have you been doing all week?
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
They do so well.
I don't know what's the question.
They're caught late at night.
Christ, they're afraid of seven kids, aren't they?
I'm not sure that they actually said that, because Ziegler was there.
They've been dying to get an issue on foreign policy.
It's unbelievable what it worked out.
I would never have believed it possible that disloyalty could be carried to those extremes.
It's true.
Every time we get our head above water, these people push it down.
And not for any issue of principle.
I mean, this is the party that put through foreign aid.
And now they all suddenly discover a great love for Taiwan.
I don't remember that Teddy Kennedy, who is now laughing, ever said... What do you think about his speech yesterday?
The revolting.
No one will ever know the secret deal we may have made with P.K.
The son of a bitch.
What is that very useful?
I don't know.
In fact, I had Galbraith in my office.
He was at times beginning to tell me what was going on there.
I wonder, Chuck, if your people didn't get any harm from him, or if he, I don't know, if that was totally, where has he been on the Taiwan thing before, you know?
You know the situation.
Now you're bleeding about Taiwan.
He's voting against me for Taiwan.
Correct.
I don't know what he voted against, but he's been screaming about our reliance on dictatorial allies in Asia.
Well, his first statement this week was that we shouldn't be too concerned over the expulsion of Taiwan.
Let's look at the process.
This kid said that earlier.
He said that immediately after the U.S. vote.
So that was it.
Yesterday's was a real...
If he's quoted correctly, it's a real switch.
I was just saying that he was quoted correctly, but I didn't hear his story.
He wasn't quoted correctly.
I'm sure he was.
I just asked for the full report of it, because I never worry about whether he's quoted correctly.
The point is, it's not part of the law.
Oh, well, the whole thing is out of state.
That's why there's both of us going to jail.
Jackson did, impliedly.
I think it's certainly the state line that they're feeding out.
I can't say that they gave it to Kennedy, but it's what they've been putting out to commoners and others.
It's quite a speech.
It's interesting, Chuck, that times gives it such a great play.
I think that's the plan.
The belief that they've got.
And they're getting a little desperate, and they must use school.
You see my point?
Mm-hmm.
A little tiddy.
That's right.
And another thing, when he said he hoped that the election would be made, but a fixed star on our planet, he's not a comet, but a star.
Maybe I should go down and talk to him for a few minutes and see where he's going to go.
What does the Breaker think they can do with Scott?
What are they going to do?
McCracker was out of town last night when I reached him, and Scott wasn't reached until I talked to Griffin.
McCracker said they had to introduce something on Monday, a new bill.
Scott wasn't there.
He was there.
I expected it to be 41 to 26, but he wasn't there either.
Yeah, he wasn't there.
He was paired with, it's kind of interesting what he's done here.
I think they're going to reverse themselves.
Why?
Because every newspaper and television broadcast is going to jump all over them.
Can they, under their rules, can they concede to reconsider on that?
No, they will kill it.
They will kill it.
That's all we've got to talk about.
That's all we've done.
The right thing to do, I think, to reconsider, has to be done in the same session.
They did last night.
No, no.
Let me just say that you never have to ask questions.
When anybody wins a vote in the Senate, or the House, in a cell of note, by a voice vote,
After they win the vote, they say, somebody gets up and says, I move to reconsider.
Somebody says, I move to lay that on the table.
All those in favor will say aye.
All those in favor will say no.
That's what I meant.
The motion is to pick up all those wins, and that kills it.
And they always go to their seats.
Never.
It's over.
So there has to be a new thing.
That's it.
You know, those boys that never leave the house go.
The committee would, under normal circumstances, the committee would come out with another bill.
It's going to be introduced.
It's going to be introduced.
Now they won't run this campaign.
But what this shows is that putting foreign aid into the foreign relations committee is a disaster.
I mean, foreign aid couldn't be helped, but military aid.
Everyone told us last year this wasn't a problem.
Yeah, but you see the military aid being in there.
It gives the mad seals and the rest of the channel...
It's perfect.
Of course, you notice, now here's a tentacle, I don't know, Rogers, who also elated about church, and he does statements about our foreign policy.
I tell him, I tell you, they're out there.
You should cut it out.
Of course, they also lead the public opinion polls, and they won't.
People want us to cut $15 billion.
People are against foreign aid, correct.
And so these people are totally...
I believe we're against it.
I used to vote for it, and it had never been before.
It's never popular.
It doesn't happen.
It's something you've had to do regardless.
You go back and talk to them.
I think it's a question, really, of why I think that all of your, all of our candidates and others, they're just disturbed about issues and so forth.
They're going to crap at anything they can.
I was looking for an issue.
I'm looking for an issue.
I'm curious if they can find any of them.
It's all right.
It's their right.
They don't realize that as far as these other guys are concerned, I mean, it's very partisan.
It's not much national history, I guess.
You skim through any goose or a bear, they're kind of crafty.
It's always unbelievable.
And further down there, the more distant they are from campus, you've got to remember that these are partisans, and they sound good to you.
Oh, and I'm trying to say, I used to smile when Rocky spoke about it, and he's a poor person, and he's always said, you know,
I think he's doing what he has done on four of our other issues.
He has just taken a contrary position to you and a slashing political attack to make news and to assert the issue.
And there's been really no consistency to the piece.
He has said things on other issues that
We're very extreme for him.
Like the POW issue.
Like the guys who are wanting to end the war next year instead of this year.
And we'll try to get political credit next year.
He's done this four or five times this year.
He lashed it way, way in.
This has been a pattern.
Totally disregarding how he realizes that he can get away with it where others can't.
Where he can make this kind of a speech and he won't bring down the rest of them.
Time is weak in all the media for being thoroughly irresponsible and inconsistent.
If he can get away with it, maybe he'll lose.
No, as a matter of fact, he'll play a little of that himself.
Time is weak, so for all of the post-highlanders who still join the State Department for Criticization, it gives you trip.
That's the time that gives you trip.
That's the stage of pushing that line.
I've got the right question about that there.
It had not a goddamn thing to do with the vote.
We couldn't do it any other time.
But nevertheless, nevertheless, that's what they're going to do.
And it also feels, and it means elsewhere, too, about the U.N.
The U.N. vote, and now what are we going to do?
Are we going to just accept that?
Are we going to do something about it?
This and that.
I can get you to wait here to really, you should be very, very excited to come back to the U.N. You can just wait here for a while, I think.
Maybe you can ask me to come here for a while.
Find it out, and I'll apologize.
I think we're hissing and booing while you're sleeping.
Yeah, it's almost a pretty god damn difficult business.
Just as well.
Well, I can get George Bush to take Teddy on.
He's eager to take on anybody.
He'd love to take Teddy on.
I'll let him go.
He's got a mission he has to follow.
That'd be the way forward next time, isn't it?
Well, I've given him Israel, but he was gone, but she still had to use him for issues.
Good.
And I'll add this to that.
Well, they did your thing, and making it a fact that there is no question about the conduct of the delegates and so forth, whether we still support you or not.
Well, look at Teddy.
Teddy has turned around 180 degrees.
He was the one that made the most glowing, the first and the most glowing statement about the Chinese.
You remember?
So immediately after you, immediately afterwards, now he comes around.
And so we've changed our secret.
Now, because they kicked Taiwan out,
This is totally inconsistent.
It is.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't say that.
It was one of the greatest moves.
It was a national tragedy.
I don't want to look at it now, but they came out with a Kennedy vs. Kennedy thing.
Why don't you get back to the fact that you may find that he has said something about getting the Taiwan out of there.
You know, the previous
It was too bad, but let's go on with it.
But then he goes before this, it's his name in this room, and he's looking at his, yeah, at his statement, his report, and he's, well, he's just, it's the last day, well, it's a way to call the peace through, but it's particularly funny to me at those times.
Where O'Rourke is there, yeah,
This isn't a piece du roi.
No, no, not a piece du roi.
It's one of those funner pieces or something like that.
But it's typical of that group.
You see here, all these piece types are just concomitant.
We might get the credit for doing it.
That's it.
That's it.
So it's purely what it is.
These are all, these are all the most far-out pet peacemakers, as you see.
And they've got them off the wall, because of the war being at hand.
And China and Russia, it's killing them.
And also they're going after this thing.
It's about them to be inconsistent.
The other, there's also, I think, hitting the line, which may be, well, if I lose in this vote, and in this resolution and so forth, about the UN, we're hurting the United Nations.
That's a sort of far-out region.
The next line that we will get is that because we were angered over the UN's conduct this week, we killed before anything.
Oh, you did?
That's correct.
That will build in this week.
That's correct.
That's what I'm going to say now.
But then when you look at the voting lab, it's pretty hard to sustain that when we eventually go voting against the poor people, the Democratic leader, plus a lot of Democratic leaders.
It's hard to make that case.
I think that has about a blip in the country.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Hurry up.
That's it.
I didn't think you'd have any pills.
You're not catching some dead sunshine.
But it is very interesting anyway.
What the hell, you know, that's the point.
Only people around here care about whether or not the ADA improves somebody, and whether or not this panel's in front or this one's in front.
Maybe whether or not it's going to be on a deal of that tree.
But otherwise, a lot of that's not seen the other way now, when people say that ADA business was a degrading process anyway, and it's a good thing it's dropped.
But I bet, I bet we all get it.
Everybody around here gets charged up about all that's business about the APA.
Now, this week it was the UN.
I'm not sure if the country is all that charged up about it.
And then it's foreign aid.
Well, I think Trump is right.
They'll try to blame foreign aid for the dissolution over the UN.
We don't create help.
We had a dissolution by criticizing the UN's conduct.
I'm sorry.
What did you say?
We still have four heads.
Maybe we get over it.
I think we're probably right.
They've got to put that back in.
They'll have to find a way to continue the resolution.
That apparently is good until... Can they go down for a military bill through the armed services?
That would be uncertain.
Of course, you've got a lot of economic aid for some of these cities.
Very important.
It's made for Israel in a whole bit.
Israel, then, is a...
The pressure is that we've got to work out these guys over the weekend.
Don't go back to the European lobbies, sir.
On the other hand, what you, Rogers and Bush said,
was that the U.N. acted very unquietly because the attitude of the Congress and the country was different.
There it is, this living proof.
I said it in turn.
I said it in turn.
I mean, it's very different altogether.
It was for the U.N. that we needed it, but we kicked out hard to get it.
We fought the amendments for this new, and we fought in one.
And Siglund, Siglund, was she, she said that you, your support continues undiminished, but one has to recognize the realities that this will make it very difficult.
The people that are for it,
They're responsible.
People who are against the UN are against foreign aid.
People who are against the Greeks are against foreign aid.
People who are against all these days are against foreign aid.
You see what I mean?
And then you've got a lot of people just against foreign aid as a general principle.
Against it because it's wasteful.
I think it's a goddamn loser.
It's just a case where responsible senators and congressmen have to move forward.
That's all.
They've done it for years.
It's part of the problem.
The cost of leadership, the rule of leadership.
We have, I don't know, what do you think we ought to do?
We ought to give people an idea on this, on this academy thing.
Yeah, but I don't see any work.
You know, we've got this text, Collins takes off the text on that.
I'm trying to take it off, though.
We have, I mean, the whole bureaucratic, the whole bureaucratic table, it's purely, it's purely partisan stuff.
It's a goddamn, you know, I recall the Republicans were out, Jesus Christ, they terribly called on anybody who wasn't totally responsible, as soon as, remember?
No, he didn't.
Absolutely.
I was usually very responsible, and still have that kind of sign for it.
And, uh,
You'd get out there, you'd get a raider, a gold hunter out there, and they'd murder them.
They'd crucify them.
Now, here are these people.
They never let them get away with it.
Well, our congressmen and senators during the Kennedy-Hudson years just wouldn't criticize them.
They would never take them.
They sure didn't.
You know, it was a silence.
Most of the Christians, not outside, but during the war, they would
Passing state-of-the-art opposition, they want to do it.
Loyal opposition, that's what it really was.
Loyal on behalf of the ministry.
Check all the people we have speaking this weekend.
I know Bill was getting his way.
He had a good idea, common rights.
Good idea.
Yeah.
And it didn't go down.
It slid through.
That's right.
Yeah.
We build it up by wrapping it up.
You got Elliot speaking in Boston at the Jewish convention.
He could have some fun up there in Kennedy's hometown.
He didn't get the facts.
Well, he could take on the Israel question.
Yeah, he did the Israel question, but he could also...
He kept me on Israel and Boston.
I think he could also take on the total switcheroo of the Chinese.
First of the week he said that.
It's the last of the week he said that.
Praise the Chinese.
That's the one that would make me tell you up there.
Well, he loves it.
He can't see anything.
He's enjoying it.
He wants to help things.
Yeah.
The first of the week, you see, the first of the week took the life of... What was it we said?
We said we're disappointed that Taiwan was thrown out of the bus, not what the fewer, the bigger issue, which is we've opened a new business for the world, world peace.
Normalized relations with the UK.
He gave you the most tempered... No, this is a totally different temper.
This is the most intempered thing.
I think somebody got to him during the weekend and said, look, here's where you can score, you can delegate this issue, plus the public is upset about this, get on the right side, so he can't.
I think your theory is exactly right.
I don't think he's worrying about which side he's on.
I think his strategy is to hit very hard, and, you know, weigh out, go past anybody else.
What he has to do is what the society has to do.
He's to walk into a leadership bench.
He's discovering the other side of the thing.
So, just get out of the ground.
You know, let's show the other way.
And the other way, the company's a little worried.
Bucky did the same thing.
Bucky was the one that the press loved him for it.
But he was, of course, he banged Johnson every time.
Now, here's today, he's banging us every time.
The press loves him.
And he's citing people, too.
He's going on that.
That's right.
Same thing Bucky did of stirring the juices.
That's right.
He feels the anger.
Well, that speech of ours was incredible.
That's not getting picked up.
It's a good second wave of criticism going on.
Well, but look at it.
He gets away with all of it.
His Irish thing, we all said, wasn't that terrible.
Who cared?
Harvard also wasn't that terrible.
Who cared?
I got one of these with a Sunday average candidate.
Really something.
Thank you.
I was off on this complete world around the mid-air.
The crawling statement was far more damaging than Romney's brainwash statement, and if the press had jumped on that the way they jumped on Romney, you could send him to jail.
That's been lost now, hasn't it, Chuck?
It was him.
No, it bounces up every now and then after this, but not like he got on Romney and brainwashed him.
Christ, he jumped up, but I believe he let him go.
He sure did.
If you watch, it won't be funny to send him to jail.
He is sober, sensitive about it.
State's dropping that, it's coming about.
Finally, it's a trip, and we've got to always say it had nothing to do with it, if you know what I mean.
And it didn't, and you can't buy the book that it changed.
It's a different trip, not a goddamn one.
State's opposition, their opposition has nothing to do with the time of the trip, but if they were against it, it's going to all break up absolutely.
I'm just reassuring you.
I've seen the whole thing about the matter.
It's had a lot to do with that.
Irresponsibility.
Yeah.
Somebody should do a whole catalog of colleagues looking at the Irish, but not just you, but I don't know as much as much, but irresponsible, irresponsible, the Irish.
Now this, where he said something that he, on the one hand, praised the Chinese nation, and don't worry about it, but on the other hand, he said that I...
It's terrible that we didn't get the administration and the president.
We've been doing this for so many years, and we've lost everything in a long time.
We've criticized the Congress and the UN, and the Republicans.
Hey, what the hell?
Why did Bush, which is a good guy, get us to work this week?
Why can't you have it?
What everybody thinks is that he's a very partisan, tough politician.
He is.
He has this behavior.
He's a nice, sweet gentleman, but damn easy.
He's a damn tough, partisan Democrat.
Bond believes deeply in all this.
He's also a partisan pacifist.
He's been a pacifist for years.
And he is a partisan politician.
He would be the leader if he weren't.
And there he is, playing that game, and in his most private meetings, you know, he's taught us how.
He's capable of coming up with those incredible, these unpartisan types of statements now, and he's from the Massachusetts Irish political, basically an Irish Catholic demonstration, and he has a lot of experience.
He's like me.
Very good.
Thank you, and all the rest.
Well, I'm going to get...
He can also pretend to look like a physician.
If you act not partisan, I have to give you a sense of respect.
In defense, he must do it in order to be in defense.
He can be in support of you, and just be a little confident in some certain delegates.
He can be in support of you, and support you.
No, you've been making speeches supporting you.
You know, he'll murder you next year, but...
He said that Teddy, first of all, he thinks Teddy is going to go for it.
Now, secondly, he said Teddy, just as Chuck said, first made a statement.
He said first Teddy made a statement that
that sort of went along with the vote.
Only a very strong one.
And so a lot of people said he's got to get into opposition to you one way or another, including Harriman.
And Harriman talked to him.
I'm just in Calgary.
Yeah, I know.
And so he said, you know, Kennedy isn't very proud.
So he said his wife Kitty, he didn't talk to anybody, Kitty wrote with him, I guess down from New York yesterday or somewhere, that this was a cheap trick.
And he said he was misreported, that what he wanted was to say you had no moral right to attack anybody on the UN vote because you yourself had that
I said they've hurt their chances in the United States Congress.
It's a fund for peace.
What is that?
It's a foundation that is funded by the organization, I believe.
A fund for peace?
It's a non-profit foundation.
I must say the only one of my old friends who's shown some integrity and disrespect is Caldwell.
I mean, he was never an old friend, but at least...
When you do something that he's recommended, for example, he said what you're doing in the economic field is 100% behind.
He said anyone who's opposing it on the democratic side is a cheap politician.
That scares me.
I know what you're saying.
What about the...
I'm not saying it makes it good, but the others, as soon as you move towards the position that they recommended...
They move off of it.
They move off of it.
So what happens here is... To go after you.
The master of anyone, perhaps the timing was a coincidence, but perhaps not.
We'll probably have an app.
Yeah.
A participatory app.
Yeah, but didn't he also say perhaps it was a prize exacted by P. King?
Yes.
I mean, we could probably have an HD gesture exacted by P. King as the price the person's going to visit.
I mean, really, on the timing, it was ours.
We were the ones who proposed end of September, they gave us the first possible date after Highly Delighted.
I moved to the Congress to get that place named the Kennedy Center.
I was number one because I knew it would give us some money and it seemed like a good idea.
I said I have to confess I never thought in the past that there were some Kennedys still living.
I was only thinking of the Kennedy that was dead.
I said it was the dumbest thing I had done in my entire life.
I have regretted it to the very core ever since because I've had to deal with that miserable bunch of people.
who are all absolutely despicable.
And he just went on and on.
Then he said, which was kind of an incredible way of saying it, he said, at first I had to start eating with Bobby, and then I got rid of him, which was sort of an odd way to put it.
And I thought everything would be all right, and then Teddy came along, who was even worse, and his sisters are unbelievable.
And he said, you know, I said, I'm sure you realize that all this stuff about the Kennedy's interest in the arts is pure crap.
He said, there isn't one member of that family who has one iota of interest in or knowledge of the arts in any way, shape, or form.
Yeah, that's absolutely true.
And he just, you know, he just went on and on.
Not whatsoever.
Yeah, yeah.
That's it.
He said Jackie was the only one that had any, and she wasn't a candidate, had any competence in the field at all.
And hers was very challenged, superficial, and done only for effect.
And what's your judgment on this today, Harry?
Oh, I think we should, I think, I think it's in the favor of the government, and I think he just scratched the concrete.
But I think we'll take this on very hard.
You're responsible.
You're responsible.
You're responsible.
You've got to knock out the idea.
You wouldn't find this idea.
You see, we went all out.
There's no question about that.
You see?
Right?
We went all out.
I explained it in the press conference.
When we set the trip, which was early September, we believed the vote would be in the middle of November, which is when it has been every year for the past, well, as long as there's been a vote on that issue.
Then, when it was set, we still had reason to believe.
In fact, didn't Bill call you to?
Sir, it was helping.
First, it was helping, and secondly, the vote wouldn't be until November 2nd or 3rd.
So that would have given us a week coming back where we could have postured it, saying...
The whole idea is this.
Let's keep it in context.
First, thank God it was done this year.
They're going to go out next year for sure.
And if we'd have had this...
A foreign aid.
We gotta be responsible.
We gotta get it.
Don't put us on this too much on the side of being poor foreign aid.
You understand, John?
Yes, sir.
No, that's no winner.
No, that's gotta be quiet.
Well, we were out of state.
It was fine.
It's highly irresponsible of them that we have to do this because of the interest of the United States.
That's the position our president has to take.
But the thing is, to kick the hell out of the
These people were demagoguery and so forth, or people of peace initiatives and so forth.
Well, except that Scott, that man, feels every time we've got a peace move going, he manages to do something.
As far as I can tell, that vote yesterday on top areas really affects only Cambodia.
Laos is being funded out of the other, out of the military budget.
So is Vietnam.
So is Vietnam, but Cambodia goes out of the foreign aid budget.
Well, and we meet Cambodia for this year.
Well, that, the way it is, is that Scott is going to work quietly, resurrecting that.
He led the budget in the Foreign Relations Committee for this before.
It was very crowded when he got out.
Let him do his, let him do his.
What's the situation?
Who is around to talk about today, anybody?
The Scottish and French are around.
They're not around, are they?
Well, I don't know.
Can't be in the back.
Somebody should be working there.
Yeah.
We should.
Can't be in the back.
But Griffin is ready.
I talked to Griffin last night, and he's ready to...
He was going to make a statement.
It's really not...
It's really not...
Wow.
Such a tower of jello.
Scott, he's good.
He's a tarantella most of the time, because he won't just believe in anything.
But if he's foreign, he's very helpful.
But only after I told him that there was no acceptable compromise language, and that you'd veto anything.
Then he thought, he had a thought.
He had six different versions of compromised languages, which he tried hard on me, and I said, I don't want to look at them.
I said, there is no acceptable compromise.
When Vin's going bad on the ground, he's got his own test, and he runs it hard, so when he thinks he's driving hard, as you pointed out last night, it's good, and he watches those folks.
Right now, he's just a light that you carry, I see his voice.
In fact, he calls that way.
He gets a good signal to tell us in advance.
He can't let the doctor try to compromise because he's let him try.
That's right.
Now all this thing, coming back to Teddy, I think he ought to have done pretty good about all those things.
The cheap trips and so forth.
What the hell are you talking about?
And the time is on the horizon.
Embarrassing, if you know what I mean.
Oh, yeah.
Hold on.
They've got to be before 8 times, hasn't they?
Right?
Oh, at 4 and 8, there'll be 4 of us.
I guarantee they'll have a scorching editorial tomorrow or the day after.
No, they won't be scorching.
They'll try to scorch us, but we did it because of them.
They can't be lying.
We caused it.
We caused it by losing the bullet to UN.
Well, what they'll say is that the president's statement this week led to 15 Republican senators feeling free, including the national chairman, to vote against the party.
They look at their blood and records and find they also vote against it.
But you know, Lacey,
They know it's going to pass.
They need to know who to save.
What happened to the people on the Senate that we adopted?
How did we get taken by surprise?
I don't think they expected to vote, did they?
No, I don't think they expected to vote.
I think that's what caught them.
I think they were called up and they didn't expect it.
No, I think they expected it to be called up, but I don't think they expected all the Democrats to vote against it.
Because we had won every amendment.
They were right.
I told you yesterday afternoon that we were going to vote.
I didn't hear anybody talk about the vote coming yesterday.
No, they said on Thursday at that meeting with the senators that it would come.
But they were also... Everyone was worried...
About the amendment.
So all afternoon people were telling me that this was a smashing victory.
Because no one could believe that the bill would be rejected once the amendment had passed.
And that possibility wasn't even read.
But I don't consider it impossible that the Democrats will try to get to the right of you now.
Well, that's what Jackson said.
He's not right.
He's not right.
They don't, they never, you know, they're so much as an attack, which is a good strategy to take.
He had his, he had his attacks over, but he said, well, this is a wrong way to do it.
That's like colleagues on a text will say things.
It's a difficult, perfect political way to do it.
He said, well, he hasn't even kept it to the business.
He didn't run it over to his former opposition to Taiwan to support Beijing, to support the peace initiative.
He hadn't done that to them.
What he does is to say, well, and then he can say a couple of reasonable ones.
It's a terrible thing to have Taiwan thrown out of the United Nations, and then to have us speaking to the old, you know, opposition.
And now, for example, if a trip takes place, you know, he picks up every little thing he can, but all of them, not because he's opposed to it.
You see, Henry had nothing to do with ideas.
Go for the gun and look for a headline.
Just say that's a terrible thing to do.
Terrible thing.
And you like those.
He's caught up.
What a hellish work around the country and also the great Britain that is.
Irish and British again, I believe so.
Marlowe's cartoon that came in this week from the Express.
It's a great video.
Teddy going outside saying, Britain, leave Ulster alone.
And then he made the cartoon and said, he's an expert on leaving people alone.
And then there's a picture of a car halfway under water.
Well, maybe he did.
Have you got that around?
No, we haven't.
Why don't you get it with every member of the Senate?
I think it would be very well at this point that they're going to play this game.
Why don't you get it around and have it just mailed to the British Embassy with that crop out there?
Okay?
Just get it around.
And I think it's far more effective than your Monday stuff and all the other things that you can put up.
Just the courage to have it mailed to the Democratic Party, you know,
I think one should elevate Teddy by taking him on as a serious person.
One should say that he's jumping into every headline.
The best phrase to use with Teddy is immature rash.
Rash, immature rash, impetuous, impetuous, impetuous, immature.
That's what they've set up?
To me, they've set an hour and a half, and I said, look, why don't you let the two gentlemen work it out with themselves?
They set an hour and a half a day?
Yeah, I said that's a great idea, but I know it's impossible.
Yes.
Oh, he made some very flabby statements about you.
At the press club, at one of the... Yeah, yeah, interesting.
He talked with you, rang sweetly.
Don't go.
Don't go.
Don't go.
No worries, none of us.
As I've said, there isn't a vote that's been chipped in by us.
It's probably being put, it isn't a statement, you see.
It's just like anybody, like any partisan wanting to fight for some reason in the head, and then they find something else, you see.
That's why this statement had a lot to do with it, because the people who have the real complaint, the conservatives, and who really are hurting, they are not saying anything.
What they said was they were going to launch it down to Nixon.
Delegate it.
Delegate it in the primary.
Well, they used to get it out.
So that's that.
This is one of those things.
I wouldn't be concerned about it.
I would have been there.
Right.
That's it.
I don't think we would do that.
I don't think so.
Fine.
But I don't think we would then.
Well, who is it?
It's Mitchell.
I don't know.
I don't care who the people are.
I just saw that this morning.
It's a certain kind of decision to be, well, you know, oh, you know, just sort of control.
Yeah.
You know, Reagan might have some lower echelon people that are sort of secretly doing that to her.
Ja, ja, ja, ja.