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Start Date: 2-Nov-1971 12:47 PM

End Date: 2-Nov-1971 1:13 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:09:53

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:36:38

611a.mp3

611b.mp3

611c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:47 pm to 1:13 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 611-021 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 611-21

Date: November 2, 1971
Time: 12:47 pm - 1:13 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

     The President's previous meeting with William McMahon
          -The President's statement to press
               -Ronald L. Ziegler
               -Australia-New Zealand-United States [ANZUS] Treaty
          -McMahon
               -John G. Gorton
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)            Conv. No. 611-21 (cont.)



                -[Edward Gough Whitlam]
           -The President's schedule
                -Foreign travel
                      -Vietnam
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                      -New Zealand
                      -McMahon’s forthcoming campaign

     Pierre E. Trudeau
           -The President’s forthcoming visit
                -Political purpose
                      -Canadian right-wing

     The President's schedule
          -Foreign travel
               -Timing
               -Iran
               -Australia
               -New Zealand
               -Moscow
               -Peking
               -Press corps
               -Timing
               -Canada

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 12:52 pm.

     The President's call to Clarence E. Miller

Butterfield left at 12:53 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Foreign travel
               -PRC trip
                      -Timing
               -Australia
               -Taiwan, Republic of China
               -Japan
                      -[Emperor of Japan] Hirohito
               -Australia
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)              Conv. No. 611-21 (cont.)




     The President's previous conversation with McMahon
          -The President as Statesman

     United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan
          -PRC statement
               -Albania
          -PRC representation
               -Ottawa

     The President's schedule
          -Foreign travel
               -Canada
               -Australia, New Zealand

The President talked with Miller between 12:56 pm and 12:57 pm.

[Conversation No. 611-21A]

[See Conversation No. 13-68]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -Foreign Travel
               -Eisaku Sato
                      -Hawaii
               -[Australia]
                      -PRC trip
               -Sato
                      -Hawaii
                            -Nelson A. Rockefeller’s property
               -Australia, New Zealand, Iran
                      -India, Pakistan
                      -Iraq
               -Compared with Lyndon B. Johnson

     William P. Rogers's schedule
          -Taiwan
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)                 Conv. No. 611-21 (cont.)




**************************************************************************

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 9s ]


     JAPAN


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

**************************************************************************


The White House operator talked with the President at an unknown time between 12:57 pm and
1:06 pm.

[Conversation No. 611-21B]

[See Conversation No. 13-69]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Japan
          -Kissinger's conversation with U. Alexis Johnson
               -Kissinger's schedule
                     -PRC trip

     [Forename unknown] Hormel [sp?]
          -Rogers
               -Willy Brandt
                    -Nobel Peace Prize

     The President's previous conversation with McMahon
          -Kissinger's previous trip to PRC
               -UN vote on Taiwan
                      -[State Department]
                                               38


                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)               Conv. No. 611-21 (cont.)



     UN vote on Taiwan
         -Kissinger's previous trip to PRC
         -Belgium
         -George H. W. Bush
               -Conversation with Kissinger
                    -Belgium and Cyprus
         -Outcome
         -Kissinger's previous trip to PRC
         -Timing
               -1971 compared to 1972
               -The President's trip to PRC
                    -Possible political impact
                          -Chou En-lai

     Kissinger's activities
          -Georges J.R. Pompidou and Brandt
                -Messages
          -Sato
                -The President’s PRC trip

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Foreign travel
                -Japan
                      -The President’s possible trip
                      -U. Alexis Johnson
                           -Rogers
                      -Timing

The President talked with John H. Rousselot between 1:06 pm and 1:08 pm.

[Conversation No. 611-21C]

[See Conversation No. 13-70]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's foreign policy
          -McMahon's views
               -Compared to US right wing
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)                Conv. No. 611-21 (cont.)



The President talked with Barber B. Conable between 1:09 pm and 1:10 pm.

[Conversation No. 611-21D]

[See Conversation No. 13-71]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's previous meeting with McMahon
          -Japan
          -State Department
          -US Ambassador
                -Walter L. Rice
          -Kissinger

     The President's foreign policy
          -Contacts with allies
               -Letters

     The President's previous meeting with McMahon
          -Vietnam
               -The President’s forthcoming announcement

     The President's schedule
          -Indira Gandhi
                -Kissinger

     Rogers's meeting with Indian Foreign Minister
         -Pakistan
         -Timing

     The President's schedule
          -Gandhi
               -Parmeshwar N. Haksar And Kissinger
                      -Agenda
                           -Refugees
                           -Politics
                                 -Pakistan

     Mujibur Rahman
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)               Conv. No. 611-21 (cont.)



           -Treatment by Pakistan
                -Trial
                      -Promise

The President and Kissinger left at 1:13 pm.