{"conversationCode":"613-017","tapeNumber":613,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-613-017","startDateTime":"1971-11-04T17:37:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-04T17:40:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Nov-1971","startTime":"12:37 PM","endDate":"4-Nov-1971","endTime":"12:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On November 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:37 pm to 12:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 613-017 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 613-017\n\nDate: November 4, 1971\nTime: 12:37 pm - 12:40 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n[The recording begins at an unknown time while the meeting is in progress]\n\n     The President's previous meeting with Indira Gandhi\n          -Ziegler's forthcoming press statement\n                -Agenda of meeting\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                      -Bilateral relations\n                            -Refugees\n                 -Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan\n                      -Gandhi's possible statement\n\nThe conversation was cut off at an unknown time before 12:40 pm.","filename":["613-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"06:34:51","tapeEnd":"06:35:52","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"613-016","nextCode":"614-001","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":26.88,"text":"We were uh..."},{"start":31,"end":54.32,"text":"I'm proud of the desire in the United States to be held accountable for refugee problems."},{"start":54.34,"end":55.2,"text":"It's very, very possible to avoid a combat."},{"start":55.22,"end":57.42,"text":"I think we've already had a chance to ask you to ."},{"start":57.44,"end":60.9,"text":"I didn't want to say why, because that's the whole point."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler coordinated the administration's public messaging following the President's meeting with Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. The discussion focused on drafting a press statement that would emphasize American accountability regarding the refugee crisis and signal a commitment to avoiding military conflict. They also evaluated how to address geopolitical tensions involving Pakistani President Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan and potential public statements from Gandhi.","topics":["Indira Gandhi","Ronald L. Ziegler","Refugee crisis","US-India relations","Press strategy","Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T00:45:25.876Z"},"topicSlugs":["indira-gandhi","ronald-l-ziegler","refugee-crisis","us-india-relations","press-strategy","agha-muhammad-yahya-khan"],"audioDurationSec":61,"audioFiles":[{"file":"613-017.mp3","bytes":2448480,"durationSec":61.1,"bitrate":320610,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.997Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:07.486Z","transcriptGapSeconds":50,"transcriptGapShare":0.82,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/613-017.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/613-017","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/613/conversation-613-017","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}