Nixon & Haldeman on US-Soviet Relations and Economic Policy

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Uh, it probably isn't done in the end of three minutes.

the briar or someone who told the press that you have to be going to the government.

And so, just have a quick checkmate today.

There can't be any bullshitting around.

I've been living hard on the line for 70 years

We don't care.

Don't worry about that.

His other thought was a drop in Panama on the way down, or on the way back to Central America.

Well, and not for a Central American conference, you have them at the other, I guess, but to hit Panama, to hit the Darien Gap.

I would consider it as a thing more of a way to attack China.

You're holding your stand right now.

I have not thought of curving my next line of projects.

I've got to push hard on this in terms of getting the time to announce.

Ron wants to come.

And I want to get it announced quickly.

I'd only rather that it pour.

And we ought to show that to Chicago, of course, what's happening.

Um, and whichever city has one, whichever is more important, that brings back a lot of the people.

Uh, if you're sitting here, I mean, it's a reception.

There's no, you know, I don't care what's happening.

Uh, but like I said, after the bag, the hotel, and I don't do a, I don't order tea today.

I have a menu on the 6th floor.

So it's a good idea to have a big menu.

It's a good idea to have a big menu.

It just sounds a great idea.

Then we've got the little gals, and they're all like, yeah, you can't go over there to those goddamn Jews.

Miami does pose some of the problem, you know, the Asian Jews come up like so, and they're great, but you can see, perhaps I'm not quite across, but the point is, I only use every American now on the political bench, every one.

So, personally, I decided that Chicago was the place.

And then find a small rural area, or I suppose you could put a parking place there that could be properly hosted there.

That's a pretty crappy plan.

I don't mean the whole big thing, but I would rather put it in a fine hotel where they've got everything there.

And it's up to a dollar for about a thousand, you know.

And now, the fact that we've been there for a day doesn't matter.

Do you think so?

Oh, this would be different.

I think of a very different group of people.

Well, we meet a lot of the same people, the elite.

Cincinnati could be, Cincinnati has a lot of the feel of Germany.

They might have an actual job.

You know, I could just spend Chicago, maybe Cincinnati is a place to go.

I mean, you're not that wild for a race with.

I mean, for you.

The only thing is that Chicago would get a hell of a reception when it's on the State Street.

The way they do the State Street, well, they can't again.

That's what I meant.

We get a big reception in Cincinnati, but it doesn't help to send the impact that Chicago has.

I think Chicago is basically more in Cincinnati.

They put on a beautiful dinner and they love it and everything.

We've got more student society types in Cincinnati.

There must be a lot of them in Chicago too.

Check it out and see what is their journey.

They're making more and more in Chicago than they are in Cincinnati.

Even though that is a bigger city than the rest of the city.

Chicago is sounding pretty good to me.

Because of the motorcade possibility.

The massive campaign that occurred in May could be Houston or it could be Miami.

On the other hand, there's always a Miami motorcade.

In Houston, I'm sure, there are a few old skyscrapers and so forth where you can do a little something.

Well, how does a motorcade do it down in Miami?

Not the beach, but Miami along the, uh, along Biscayne Boulevard.

All those folks might be all right.

Well, you've got a lot of them in the city, or you've got a lot of the business people, the secretaries,

I just don't know which one is going to have the greatest meaning.

First, there's a hell of a lot bigger Mexican-American population.

And if the same Mexican president helps all of them in Texas,

Yeah, I don't know what they're using.

Santa Claus, of course, the obvious one, the album and all that.

That's an American victory.

Yeah, so we'll have a quitter, we'll have a quitter, whatever quitter.

Maximum push there.

You know, it's, uh, that one should not be in the period between now and the trip and, uh, that doesn't have to be there, you know, it's for next year.

Good.

After the, after the, after the, after the counter.

Or the Russian counter.

And it was a little closer to the election.

Well, but then, after Russia.

I mean, because after Russia it was in June.

Yeah.

Not bad.

Announced it a long time ahead.

Yeah.

But the thing to do then, ask God for anything special.

We need to do something in Florida.

I want you to figure out something for me to do in Florida at some time.

You know, so that they get the deal in that time.

Florida will turn up.

They'll turn hard to us.

They really will if we ever get there.

It's the right place.

I haven't done a non-political event.

You're so right about Pat's T's.

I see she's got another one out in the bay, you know, on the southern bottom.

It's an office society or something.

It doesn't have to be a T for the Central Office Service.

It sounds like Connie to me, you know.

Connie isn't the smartest person in the world, if you're ever going to judge me.

If you're the smartest person in the world, if you're not going to judge me.

But T is a bunch of crap.

You've got to do what you've been told to do.

Yeah, she sees it totally.

And she's going to work with us on her murder schedule.

And I saw her other, I mean, not Pat, but Donna, they brought up Pat, and it took one sentence.

She says, oh, I'd love to go.

So you see, she's getting, well, she lacks support and stuff because she grew successful.

And she's still getting a lot of reception.

It's a little present, a little current, currently it's one, right?

We were going there a lot of times, but she did not complain a little bit.

I need a couple of experts.

And also there's a digital out there.

I need to have somebody.

I've got her talking to a different doctor.

It's just very, very sensitive.

How she could not look at the people and stuff.

That's what she's done.

That's what she should do.

But I asked her to never look at the people while she's doing it.

That's what I'm doing.

I want to get her out of stage by a substantive talk.

Maybe you're right.

Just make a good will.

And she could have talked to them.

They could have talked about everything.

They did.

The Peruvians did.

They heard what their problems were.

for various other times that I had.

Rogers told Pat yesterday, he thought that he was always impressed with what I was doing.

You know, it's a good call for him to talk extra pressure.

The one yesterday who all the nuances and so forth, as well as the controls, were the best that I've had since then.

If you told somebody, they'd have the brains to notice it.

Did you mention Brown?

We didn't have anybody there, I suppose.

But the arrival statement was a really, really, really elegant job.

I know.

I wrote the whole goddamn thing.

It got played very well on the television.

woven in the whole Indian story.

Nobody sat down and really, you know, marveled at the statement.

That's what I'm talking about, the favorite thing.

That had a toast to it.

We're both carefully done and so forth.

Maybe you could put to it.

Maybe he's got it.

Exactly.

They should be heard more and more.

It's both and they don't do it in different ways to fish.

That's

You know, you take that as an example here, and then make the whole story, not just that one.

This is an old one.

This was a...

See you tomorrow.

I heard you.

They took out in the six months and said they'd serve all that.

And they split the 4.8 in the economic and the monetary account and cut a billion dollars out of it.

House and crew and everything.

I don't know.

That was late last night, so we've got to get the...

I guess that was the... Is that just a case of...

Reaction.

Hitting right in the middle of the payboards.

The variation.

Alright.

It's been zapped for this... ...irresponsible... ...for a long time.

I suppose something that...

Yeah, it is cold in that boat.

That boat is all cold.

They're very distressed by it.

They're saying some voluntary rise doesn't mean .

Commentators have a discussion thanks to some of these columns.

It obviously bothers them.

Especially the trial needs stuff where you move ahead of all the contenders.

It's a big move now to try to build Jackson up.

And it's hurting.

I don't see how it's going to finish.

And the others have no idea.

That guilt with people who have been riding the muskie horse all along are all of a sudden pushing Jackson.

Are they building a stunning house on this bold move to enter the New Hampshire project?

Bill probably did say that.

I mean, that man is, you know, he's here because Taylor is not Bob.

He might exaggerate.

You know, he's saying, you know, Taylor, Taylor, why are you here?

Taylor was at that dinner the other night, wasn't he?

He knows that we've got a true culture.

He thinks of us as fools.

Well, he's a fool.

He fools, but not political fools.

Well, I don't think he fools market research.

No, but he does rating services and market research.

He does a lot of...

Yeah.

Well, it's interesting, as he points out there, that Newsweek is the only one that's really filled it up positively.

And this is Newsweek.

Roger, it's Saturday for you, shoots at dinner.

And, uh, no republic for us, too.

Yeah.

I'm basically just going to wing my horse and take it.

I said, I can't believe it's a routine number.

I don't think he's our age.

No, I guess he really is out to get me for some reason.

All he has to do is grow up.

That goes back 15 years.

Did you know that it was a man?

Yes, I sure did know that.

They said they'd also leave me to talk about

Yes.

Oh, Rehnquist did superb.

The Rehnquist, they apparently just couldn't lay a glove on him, and he just dazzled him with fancy footwork all the way through.

I have shown, this is competition, kind of chops around the original niggas.

Yeah.

Incredible.

The more they build them up, the better.

Yeah, and he felt what?

Now he starts to say we're very worried about him.

Yeah, they're showing we built a lot of suburbs.

And it's all going to do well, but not well enough.

Do you want us to take it?

I don't know.

I think it's not going to do well, but I mean, it's coming up.

I mean, my parents and others say it's going to do well.

I think it's not going to do well, but I'm hoping it's going to help the grads out more, I guess.

You have to face that fact, despite what Roswell says, he's just a hell of a grad.

You agree or not?

I sure do.

And it's going to stay that way, especially what John says is true, that he's in a suit financially, because that's going to make it worse.

Correct.

He's going to go to the United Nations Bowl.

You know, I think, I will say at this moment, for us to attend, I really do.

I don't need, I don't need to survive.

I think that's right.

You've got, you've got way up there, and you start on a downward slide, and it's going to be awful hard for them to turn around.

They all start out as, as a, so much momentum that,

If you see that Sperling interview with Teddy, that's kind of interesting.

Is he just what he's saying?

Well, the invisible next to the theory.

Well, maybe he should.

If he does this, this, this, this may be tough.

Oh, he doesn't set up the usual impossible lifts.

Is there currently modules?

Oh, you've got a whole gear.

A year ago, exactly right after those elections passed here, Muskie was invincible.

Kennedy was impossible.

Scoop Jackson was a joke that, you know,

There wasn't any candidate for Muskie.

There was no thought of anyone.

He had it locked up and rolling.

And we're all united behind him.

Great leader, savior of the Democrats.

Agnew was winning.

Agnew was through.

Nixon was through.

No way he could salvage his thing.

Horrible shot at the feet.

Legislative program was doomed.

The intervening here, a lot more will happen than the sex intervening here.

What we want to do, of course, is to kind of precisely, strongly, all the way to one of them.

That's why the, you know, the consuls.

I mean, these trips to the country, this is the time for the goddamn.

We're going to go to Toronto, we're going to go up there.

Jesus, can't you, can't you see those Chicago's go up in the line?

And they're there with their tears in their eyes.

Uh-huh.

We forget the outsiders do here.

It's only the shitheads and the government that don't.

You know, the administration and the Congress, they sit there like a bunch of blasé bastards.

They really do.

And the State Department people are horrible.

But, you know, the outsiders just sit there and laugh and smile and raise their glasses and sit here and everything.

It's untreaty.

I watched what we were doing last night.

I said, oh, shit, I don't have any more members of our staff here anymore or any more members of the...

Don't worry about it anymore.

But where are we going to cut that right now?

That's good.

Yep.

Well, let's start doing a couple out in the country.

As long as we don't drill in California, we'll be good.

Not California.

That's right.

We have no problem with that.

No, no.

We can put that together.

Do it as you suggested.

A very big dinner.

Yeah.

Big, but where every seat is good.

Well, you know, we do other people things.

We'll have rolling strings.

I feel like we did the astronaut.

I had three different groups of rolling strings.

I have the micro that didn't play on one side.

I feel like we did the astronaut there.

You know, we had a big group.

We had a marine band, you know, do a big thing.

I'd like to do a big gridiron.

Do that kind of thing.

Don't bother with entertainment afterwards.

Because you can't move that many people.

We've proved on that park dinner in San Francisco that doesn't work out.

That's not a problem.

How much energy would you do?

I would...

I don't think you'd better.

Just talk to the astronaut dinner.

You didn't do anything.

Just get a few of the VIPs.

Well, then do what you did at the astronaut dinner, which is, it's not totally dignified, but it still doesn't hurt, which is get up during dinner and go out.

Bring the man down a little bit.

Move around a little bit.

I would like to touch your defense.

Yeah.

I agree.

Yeah.

Because I'm standing there for an hour, two hours.

It would be an hour.

It would be a crowd of a thousand.

It would be over an hour and a half.

It's just too much.

Well, it does.

This actually is tremendously overrated.

Tremendously overrated.

Yeah.

That doesn't work right now.

We're here.

What do you mean it's not?

It is not.

Oh, I looked it up there.

You invite them.

You have...

I didn't have a dollar to lay down on it.

I like the food and so forth.

What do you do with the service there?

Here's the hotel service.

We have nothing.

I think so.

I don't think we try to use... We don't have enough service to use our services ahead of people.

Yeah.

Why doesn't it make that much difference?

And he used, you know, we had the White House menu cards and some of that kind of started this January.

Also, in regard to the October, in regard to the October dinner, I would have recommended her to take a type of regular in the dining room.

They have a great office in here, but it's an underwriter than a singer, of course.

Magnetism, of course.

And so they hear that we might have a valet, actually.

How did he do last night?

He was fine.

There's no like on it.

You like on it?

No.

I said I don't think most people like it.

I don't think people like it.

The one thing that sticks out is, as you said, is the music bit.

Well, I like it a lot.

I like it.

All the Tchaikovsky family pieces are just great music.

And all that.

And there are a lot of really good ballads.

There are a few that are exciting.

To me, it's a few years.

Some of the others are.

Put your hands around it and press it one more time.

Would you mind on whether or not this came from Len?

It didn't.

Who the hell wanted it?

Len doesn't have anything to do with any of that.

I checked on that.

With any of it, he was putting flags on full entertainment stuff.

What he was pushing for the Tito dinner was to be found.

That was the only thing.

That's when Pat said Lynn Garment said this.

Now she got very upset because we had had pecan books for another dinner that got canceled.

And he suggested it because he didn't like jazz.

And Pat was very distressed.

She said that was not a proper thing for a state dinner.

And she overruled that recommendation.

And that's when she has a gal named Penny Adams.

You don't have to let the poor girl say, you've got to go over and see all the main cars in this big deal for you.

Let them think they're helping on all this.

Don't just write it with the right shot.

But don't let them do it.

You know what it is.

It's easy to do.

It's very, because Lucy is the man from Shrew now.

And as soon as you move in, she runs right to Pat and says, if you know exactly how to play it, she'll say, Larry, take me instead.

We have to have Pete Cotton's orchestra.

Or, I'm sure.

He knows what are the right buttons to push to get the right reaction.

Bring Lucy into the wheeler.

That's what we've got to do.

That's correct.

The president wants this.

Alex is just great with Lucy for some reason.

He should bring Lucy.

The president would like this.

He would like for you to stop that Lucy is in the vehicle.

I must say though, other than you're having to sit through it for half an hour, after all the time we spent the first couple years trying to do good stuff for entertainment, it really doesn't make much difference.

We did so many things that were really spectacular.

Well, we did get some money out of some of them.

We did out of program at the Willie Brown dinner last year.

But if that was because of the way you

Really, when you played it, you all just crapped on that one just right.

And, well, the front did too, but it was... And, Pearl Bailey is one of a kind.

She has fallen into the culture trap, I think, of being camped at Opry Stars and Ballet Dancers.

But, that is a lot of... She knows a lot about fashion.

She knows a lot about...

I know a hell of a lot about Mississippi.

I review them.

I'm an expert, but I know more than most.

I know where I'm going, where I'm going to go.

I've got to see these.

I've got to see the Mississippi.

I've got to see what their programs are.

I'm doing all for the military.

Here's another guy that doesn't know me.

You know, these people who get it, I think, because of the money.

You know what I mean?

I've got a better scholarship for it than for nothing.

Oh, hold on.

One thing is to have a job.

You know, there's a lot of tests that you've got to take.

You get the service, but you get the pressure.

That has to impress all those people.

Compared to the Stephen Colson and Kessinger kind.

Right away, if they two can't come together, they'll have to come with all this.

Yeah, Bob, we do it.

Please, you know, compared to those with the elements coming up,

Mr. Indy, they did a superb job of going into the dinner too.

I'll never forget that.

Remember when you walked down that long hall with the trumpets playing?

And it echoed from desk to desk.

Those trumpets queered at the other end and echoed down the hall.

That's where we got the idea of the trumpets.

The other thing too, of course, I must say the Spanish.

Oh yeah, I'll never forget there.

Oh, that house.

And the motorcade.

Remember the motorcade?

Motorcade with the horses.

Some of the best pictures we have, that best cover cake we've ever had, and that palace with the chandeliers.

That night, the palace where the dinner was, was unbelievable.

You couldn't do a bad job in that palace.

I mean, you had people in white tie.

It was just really something.

I thought we did well on the elections, which we got all interested in.

Yeah, it was a good idea to try and, you know, set a line that, you know, I think we did.

We won for, I understand, in New York we won several cities, counties, Nassau, Southern, and Erie all came true, which, how do you check this?

These are very important, particularly in Nassau, right?

Well, that's where the machine is.

You might see it if you ask somebody who knows it except Mitchell and I don't want to bother anyone as to what area to call.

The Nassau County Executive and the two new ones that were elected up there.

The County Executive, I had never realized before, is a very different thing

I think this is really one of my concerns, to have a hunch.

It could be very, very significant.

I know these things will happen, but please have heard of the success of building the state government in that respect.

I don't know if the state is for many people who are gathering, many people who decide.

That's right.

And the quietness, we have not succeeded in building the quietness.

I'm sure we ever will.

Very well.

you've got to have the attitude to head towards Kennedy.

He was able to do it, but Johnson wasn't.

Johnson didn't do it well.

Now, if I do these things well, I do them better, and I know, I really know that I do, I do toasts and arrivals that are better than anybody in the world, and I travel all over the world, and I know Kennedy doesn't do them well.

He just, he just didn't have the style, and he also didn't do the work.

It's hard for him to tell.

He said to the State Department, you know, Johnson got a great vision.

Great everything, you know.

I like the, uh, Halloween.

How are you doing?

Yes, she was nice.

The man was what?

I don't know.

I don't mind if they like toys and they can work, nevertheless.

And don't get caught.

Huh?

And don't get caught.

I don't give a shit about getting caught at these station houses.

They won't vote.

They're a sweet five, they can vote.

We can't even talk about the minorities.

And hang on, that's a hell of a big minority.

That's an ethnic group you have in Missouri.

We're against them.

I don't have anything to quote, but there's more of them than there are.

Henry, I wanted to get you in with Chuck to see...

mainly because it will lead first if we don't, and also because it's in our first let me put the problem in context.

Yesterday, before this dinner, I had a meeting with a group of Republican congressmen from the West, and John Kyle, a marvelous man, who is one of the impossibilities of executive agriculture, in a very quiet and decent way, said,

We've got to do something on the car.

We've got to raise the price.

The government's going to buy some, but we've got to sell some.

Or we're dead, good, forever.

This has got to be done now, he says, because the House is ready to move next week.

It's the only set-aside program that would cost us several billion dollars and would not do the job, and which would give them the credit rather than us for getting the price and getting rid of some of the services.

Point two.

As you recall, probably better than we do, Kennedy and Johnson both flew around selling some to the Russians and then it dropped because the later units, but the and neither one of them would face up to the units above 50% American bottoms.

I'm sure we can face up to the problem of 50% American bottoms, and also through

back to going away, he has now called in his secretaries and answered the long term.

And they've agreed to allow a shipment of corn to Russia.

Point four, the Russians are

willing to buy it, we understand.

I'm not speaking now of a formal announcement or doubt it or not, or so forth that I do, but I'm speaking about the fact that some announcements should be made, maybe by Harvard, I don't know.

And my question is, is there any

Is there, do you see any objection in having an announcement made that you said, leave it?

No.

This is not something we want, that we just got to get an enormous bang out of this.

No, I'm not opposed to agriculture making the announcement, or commerce.

I think if the White House makes the announcement, then it flops.

Well, A, I'm not...

I don't think it will flop, but I don't know too much of the details, but also it puts us in a position with the Soviets from which we have just escaped in July, in which we're doing all of this in order to get ourselves a few votes.

And every time they have had us in that position, they've started squeezing us across the board.

And it will affect everything else.

That is my concern.

On agriculture as a normal, I called the briefing yesterday and put it on the paper that we were doing them a great thing.

Uh, all right.

It's just that we want to get the story out through the car, but we want to get it.

How about doing this?

How about just going to the, how about informing a good friend in the House or the Senate and having them announce it on the Senate floor and say that we won't get enough credit for what we did.

All right.

And second, too, uh, what do you suggest as a way to go?

If we have the Secretary of Agriculture here, which we don't.

I don't have the Secretary.

I have a lot of buddies in the county.

So it's not a big deal.

If we can find somebody to do that, the camp will be here this morning.

The camp will be here.

Thanks a lot for the camp.

I'll be there.

All right, how about it?

What I do is work, because we have the loyalty of the government.

That wasn't part of the USP, did it?

The Secretary of Agriculture or not, the Premier would.

Yeah.

I'm frankly, I will never be able to demonstrate to you that anything like that does damage.

It's because it will express itself in attitudes that will actually hurt.

That's right.

The word is, the word goes to that apartment.

It'll get there.

I think the thing is, too, there's one complicated question.

We've just been discussing this in the meeting with one of the unions, which took a lot of heavy negotiating this week to get them around.

And they remember the place with Kennedy and Johnson.

They want a public pat on the back from you.

And of course, that can be done as they expect it right away.

Well, let's say they get the public back by Ziegler and he didn't announce it.

John, Ziegler can say the President is very pleased with the use of faith in the Statesman.

The President has not said a single word about it.

Fine, that's okay with the announcement.

Fine, let's have the announcement made.

Let's have the announcement made.

Why not have the announcement made in Spain?

He wouldn't say... No, he wouldn't mean as much to the Parliament.

What you want is... Well, is there anybody else over there that's, uh...

Campbell's not bad, is he?

He's a Southern American.

I disagree.

He's not much of an image, but is there anybody else that we've got that the image doesn't matter unless there's somebody there?

The announcement is there's really something in this department of agriculture.

I think that the department of agriculture makes the announcement, and then they go confirm it.

Well, we could get some questions here.

If they do it over there at 10, we can get something here once they go to Greece.

Just ask the department.

I'll tell you what.

Ask the public affairs man at Agriculture Bank.

We're not trying to get on television or anything.

Ask the public affairs man.

Go out and announce.

That's much better, man.

and announced that as a result of negotiations that have now been concluded, $200,000 or whatever it is, what is it?

$200,000?

It could go to an extensive $100,000.

That's all we can say right now.

We've got an excessive $100,000.

But it may be dollars, one of the main dollars.

But that's a hell of a sale.

Well, get a little statement that we, that this is a result of the President's, has been, I mean, that we've been meeting with the, that we particularly are grateful for the cooperation of the Laker agents, and, you know, and working on this situation.

Have Zegers say that.

All right, maybe, Mr. President, I'll get agriculture to that head.

It's a hard time, but I say to come over with agriculture to enjoy it.

Great, which will help us work together.

Right.

I'll set it up over in front of you.

How's that, sir?

It was only just a technical announcement.

Yeah, that's fine.

And then Zegler can say, we're delighted with all the assistantship of the unions, and that makes us look like a spaceship.

It's a real spaceship on a part of the unions.

And we're most grateful.

Then do something...

Please, if you can get us a bar, editors, and so forth, and find out how you spent hours and hours and hours working with them in my direction to get the engines on.

In fact, I've built in the breathing tubes with a big janitor.

You can say that I'm the president, but this, I've got a better way to do that.

The main thing is to get the congressmen and senators, the group of them, and you tell them, I want to tell you all how this was done.

The president personally took charge of this.

He said, we've got to get this done.

And last week, he said, goddammit, we got this offered.

We're going to sell this farm.

And the unions came true.

He made telephone calls, et cetera, to the unions, the union members, and so forth.

And we got it true.

I'm going to get up on the Hill.

I'll get back to you.

And it was, as Carolyn and Paul said, that they were doing this.

This isn't Henry there.

We have one in our office on our problem.

But then you get up, how about the Hill?

How about letting it be Curtis's office?

Or who is it?

Anybody but that son of a bitch Jack Belner.

We ought to give that five-foot Henry a quiz.

We ought to give Buzz Hill a break on this because Buzz is, all right, it's a lot of coin in Kansas.

And he's been kind of a fine, pleasant-meat partisan for the goddamn inter-republican or whatever it is.

Yeah.

I don't think it should be in Bob's office.

However, it should be in Sharon's office.

But I think it's got Kyle.

You're sure the deal is set?

The president thought it was set, but I didn't check it out.

The Soviet embassy has been calling agriculture every day, saying, have you got this released?

They're eager to hear it.

They're very eager to hear it.

But we're ready to sell it, and we're not ready to go.

We've cleared the announcement yesterday in the Senate, which was the first step to announcing that the deal has been

I'm with you on popcorn for Christmas.

There's nothing that can fall apart now except the Russians.

I talked to the British and the Russians.

I told the British to move it as quickly as possible so that the things would fall apart.

because it's probably not true, but I said... No, I just said it as a threat.

I said, officially, I'm only supposed to tell you on behalf of the President that he should intervene with the unions to remove the...

The son of a gun is always saying it's probably not true.

I'm worried whether it's true.

But Christ never says it's true.

You never worry about other things when it's true.

Huh?

And, uh...

Look at this.

We know the truth more than most people.

Have a look.

Do what?

If you've got a problem.

All right, well, you take the goal and give it a hell of a ride.

That goddamn committee up there, do you have any thoughts on that?

You mean what they did on the Hill?

Yeah.

I think you heard it this morning.

Because I think this morning, in Washington,

I think the president's going to go to the bank and press him.

He's going to go to the bank and press him.

He has to write the reaction.

Oh, yes.

We've already reacted.

The president's distressed.

Go ahead.

I'm getting out of the way.

What do you want to say?

Until the paperwork reaches him.

The pay board is not going to be affected by that, I hope, or are they?

I hope not.

As of, well, I had a union vote in last night about 8 o'clock.

They gave me their proposal, which they had laid before the pay board convention.

I got it to Schultz.

He and I reviewed it.

We're staying good, basically.

The odds are, the odds were that it would be accepted this morning in the pay board meeting.

I don't know whether the House action and our fighting with the mangoes and the tobacco wedding.

Well, look, let me say this.

I am convinced despite Schultz's protestations that what we will do is go forward with the freeze if necessary and tell Schultz that he probably didn't get the impression.

I mean go forward with the freeze, but with very liberal guidelines.

Let the teachers have their deal and let the retroactive thing go through on steel and a lot of other things, but call the freeze.

Oh, I'm like, we'll put it right in the meat, right in the ass.

Well, after we left your office yesterday, Mr. President, George and I talked about that.

And with those caveats, he thinks that is the right type of gut.

And it does look like it was pressure.

So we had to work on it.

The interesting thing was the fact that you said, you know, last night, the union's offer has no number, which is a very interesting idea.

It ties future increases to productivity and closer with it, which is something...

We put a number, well, everybody had put in a run, which means it could be four, and it could be five.

It's just a number, it's out of the way or another, because a number seems to have a magical effect.

But from a, from a, actually from a practical, practical standpoint, they're right.

It's marvelous.

Gus Lee told me last night, also the head of the ER chain, the job chain in the building, he said, Mark, what's going on?

That's what they're going to say.

Yeah.

I don't think there's any evidence to say what's going on.

I don't think there's any.

A whole lot of people said that once you get out of this particular spell, you're going to leave a little bit with this mind.

It's going to take a while.

All right.

Take off.

Good job.

Thank you.

I'm going to take a moment before we get started.

You know, Bob, I've been disgraced a little bit with my fellow.

One of the most disgraceful performances.

You know what's interesting?

The President made really one of the best toasts I've heard him make since we came here.

Very subtle, very thoughtful, and very warm-hearted.

Very, very good.

She got up and almost no reference to the President, a somewhat friendly reference to Mrs. Nixon, launched into a diatribe against Pakistan, which, you know, it's

Just know that Donna was so scared that she would attack the other government.

Then she started pressing herself.

She said, yes, this race was well deserved.

Then I ran an election campaign.

We had a lot of candidates, she said.

People decided they wanted me, so they voted for these candidates.

And she said it was wrong not to treat them the same way as the Pakistanis.

Oh, it was really a revolting cause.

Isn't that something?

And the President really, I don't just say this to put him on the...

He did a superb government arrival statement.

Well, he did a superb arrival statement.

He did a superb cause, and he handled himself at the meeting superbly.

I think there's just nothing we can do about it.

I just wonder if we have good chief of protocol, if we could...

There's nothing that we could have done about her.

But those things are getting worse and worse.

You know, Tito's went on forever.

Oh, the lengths we ought to be able to control.

And hers went on forever last night.

The lengths we must do, that we should be able to control.

And that disgraceful thing that the Mexican president didn't remember.

And then he gave a 45-minute campaign speech about the American variables.

Well, but I think he figured we were using him, so he was going to use us.

Well, he did.

That one, you know, we were using it, too.

I mean, that was the third stage they did in two months.

But that, too, was a disgrace.

That was an awful dinner anyway.

Brunt has accepted for the week of January, sir.

Oh, the week of January?

Whenever we want him.

Oh, you want him earlier?

Yes.

When?

Sometime in December.

Well, let's see where the Pompidou comes through.

Oh, we'd be better off in the center of the field, don't we?

Well, we'll do it.

Why do you want to do that?

There's no good reason to do that.

Yeah.

Yeah, it occurred to me that one thing you should do is to have those two guys go up to

those interested in, you know, corn and so forth and so on, get a few together and they go up and make the announcement and the press will be there to cover it and you can have a wedding.

You can choose, of course, to cover the other side.

How's that?

Thank you a lot.

They are starting a war.

To them, East Pakistan is no longer the issue.

Now, I thought it very interesting how she carried on to you yesterday about West Pakistan

I'd let her talk a little more, maybe, to any of these little-ness folks coming, but basically, Mr. President, while she was a bitch... Yeah, I was trying to get her no excuses now.

I'll talk to her.

Well, she was a bitch.

We got what we wanted too.

You very subtly meant she will not be able to go home and say that the United States should give her a war reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war.

So her objective, she had the right to be a little sore because you thwarted her objective.

She would rather have had to give her a cool reception so that she could say that she was really put apart.

Oh, we agree.

And he really slobbered over the old bitch.

Well, you slobbered over her in things that didn't matter, but it's the things that didn't matter.

You didn't give her an inch so that she's... She knows.

She knows she isn't coming out of here with any... She can't go home and say, the president promised to do the following for me, and then when you don't do it... You get across to that corner yesterday at five o'clock in the morning.

and as far as the remote machine was concerned that he would consider letting him consult with regard to designation we want to be sure he understood that was the situation right and i fixed it in the memorandum of conversation which i'm giving him in such a way that it's a little i've i've made it a little more

Dave apparently treated him personally in a way that he doesn't like, so he's very... No, no, he'll be very tough with her.

Yeah, he's likely to be sharper than I was.

Well, he will be personally sharper, but he doesn't like her.

I mean, the skills... She didn't know it was her.

She kept pleading about the guerrillas in East Pakistan.

That's one thing that really struck me.

They've blown up 60 ships with frogmen, and that takes a lot of technical training to learn.

And I wonder where they got that.

He said he studied a lot about the problems of how these conflicts are.

They had read a book by Maxwell called Trap.

war.

So he was done with enormous politeness and courage and war.

Well, I didn't know what the hell had happened.

So he couldn't say anything.

He knew goddamn well I knew what had happened.

Oh, yeah.

You stuck it to her about the press.

And I told her assistant, I told my opposite number that the thing that really is striking to us is

that last year Mrs. Candy, during her election campaign, made official protests that we were intervening when we were, and she never produced any proof, and yet every opposition candidate gets a royal reception, tremendous publicity, personal meetings.

And then, after you do all of this, you come over here and ask us to solve your problems.

We know that.

I said, look at the record.

The last three months, you've had a press campaign,

You get Kennedy over, you get Congressman Gallagher over, you make a treaty with the Russians, and then you come here and say we have to solve the problem for you.

But, Mr. President, even though she was a bitch, we shouldn't overlook the fact we got what we wanted, which was...

We kept her from going out of here, saying that the United States kicked her in the teeth.

We've got the film clips of this.

You've got the toast.

You've got the general warmth that you generated as a person.

You didn't give her a goddamn thing about you.

If you had put on a Johnson performance, it would have been emotionally more satisfying, but it would have hurt us.

Because then, I mean, if you had been rough with her, then she'd be crying, going back crying to India.

So I think, even though she is a bitch, I'd be a safe cooler today, but I'd play it off.

I mean, cool, in terms of, like yesterday, you know, if I tried to carry the conversation, I'd sort of say, look, we're being as good as we can.

We're helping the faction.

What else can you do today on this?

That's what I would do.

And except for Vietnam, I'd give them five minutes of Petito talk, because Ted will go right back to the Russians as well as to the Vietnamese.

Oh, yeah.

They have the closest diplomatic ties now with Russia.

They leak everything, right?

She's very attractive.

She's the wife of the second man in the Indian embassy.

She's very intelligent.

She's very bright.

on the tables and put it to us.

And we'll give you the foreclosets.

We have a slice, not all of us are in the line.

Ice cream pie.

Lemonade.

Oh, all things are happy.

And, uh, gold.

Why don't you run the line?

President is, so you know what's funny.

He really wants to see this.

He kind of likes the idea of seeing our Democratic candidates thrashing around.

He's going to saw off the left.

He knows what he's doing.

If you get the chance, you get the point you're seeing him anyway.

He's the ideal one to get that arrival statement and toast nuances and the kind of skill and talent that we're saying is necessary.

You know, I saw you in all the sunshine.

I'll do this.

I'll give you this arm.

Throw a little at it, okay?

Right on.

Red.

Here's my guess.

I guess he said the dance.

If that's, you'll get a shorty on it.

I'm so shocked that he sent my full zigger to call, because there's no way the zigger could cut Henry off.

He only wants the zigger.

I'll guarantee you, Ron doesn't know he's seen you.

Excuse me, Mr. Coles, request me to see you sometime before 10 o'clock for five minutes, sir.

About five quarters, sir.

All right, sir.

Sir, Mr. Larson said he was ready on that time.

He hasn't come over before the academy.

Now, he's making the time the advantage.

I mean, should I at least not come to the academy?

Erwin.

He's getting to 10 o'clock.

Head on down here, that's Kennedy.

He's the security son.

We can't meet Erwin.

I'll catch Erwin.

It's a fact to build.

There.

He does.

And as you probably, so does Novak.

Novak says you've done a superb job in foreign policy and you aren't getting credit for it.

And you should.

And he goes all out.

And their book has one chapter on it.

It has, not only one, 12 chapters.

Cuts you and everybody around you to ribbons in 11 of them.

Has one chapter on foreign policy where it just raises you to the skies.

That's their device.

They say you're superb at foreign policy, but you're a bubbly idiot and everything else.

Foreign policy can't be the only important thing.

Well, yeah, it's a good way to get some credibility.

If the whole book were an action job, just said you were hopeless, they wouldn't be able to make their point.

I'm not sure that it ends up, how about having some systemic of a, James, I was thinking of Roth's book, or just, have you seen this?

Take the idea, nobody's going to read the book, and we won't advertise it at all.

How about, how about this?

The mass smear campaign on Richard Nixon.

Yeah, we can't.

It's smeared all of his life.

Now they're smearing him as president.

And he can talk about assassination, but that is, that will be a big issue.

Well, that's the thing that, yeah, that we need to move to eventually do that, too.

But we've got more.

We've got a couple columns on that.

Okay.

And I think it's a good project.

Well, yeah, but it's a similar project.

I know.

All right.

Give us a message.

That's another one that's different.

Sapphire was peddling anyway, but there's one that's galling, who is just furious about the rock.

Yeah, very emotionally distressed.

He came in practically with tears in his eyes.

He was so upset about it, but he had read an advance galling very well.

And he was just emotional because he said it's an attempt to incite assassination.

Now, there may be a way that somebody will want to tie this to Kennedy.

And it might be, you see the date of Kennedy's assassination, November 23rd.

Yep.

22nd.

All right, 22nd.

Let's get that out.

And it might be to tie to that and to Teddy, you know, that speech he gave in citing the students.

I mean, saying that I will make a little of the 22nd.

We're only watching the person, the person for treatment that day, and the security's high.

Do you see the reason?

Sure.

I think I told you about the granddad you were talking about.

Yeah.

Now, I'm just angry with her, Dad.

That's too bad in a way, but I guess... Why?

Well...

See, honey, if we can stack all that stuff in December, he'd be better off, but I'm sure what we can't, but if he has to come January, he does.

Although I'm not sure he does in December, so would you rather have him in December?

That's it, yeah.

If you don't, maybe one on January.

Well, you've got to probably locate that time of year in January.

Cold.

Like in Chicago, you have that probability of a snowstorm.

It's cold.

You have to send it.

It'd be just about as... Oh, come on.

They're used to the cold.

It's like the Chinese in China will be out of there, then come out and be nervous for the weather.

It always feels like we're in the dark.

The bastard was big.

I was like caressing him.

Wham!

I'm a fool.

And some of the veterans, you know, they just came out of bed.

There's veterans down on the stage, and inside, they must be dying.

I'm sure.

Because they keep looking.

They've got to sit down.

They've got to stop looking.

And all of a sudden, you squirt out the thunder and come back up again.

And it just, time after time, they've done it since you've been, before you were president, now since you've been president, what, four or five times, have you?

They think they have you against all of our troops that are in business today.

There was some trouble.

Yeah.

It started in July of 69.

6 months they had one.

But when they hung her right there waiting, it says again, hey, calm down.

The greatest lesson a couple weeks ago is they had a problem because the polls came out saying they were going up at the same time they were trying to fill up the foreign policy debate.

The lead would believe on that, that your core foreign policy house had crumbled.

Yeah.

Who's flying with us?

Move forward.

Move back to see if there's anybody else around, sick or something.

We're out of space now.

All right.

Yeah.

We've got Manola on us.

No, I've got a plane at the hotel.

No problem.

No problem with the plane.

All right.

And so that's just totally, you know, I mean, it was all in front of the other convention or something.

All right, we've got to leave it to Whitaker and, uh, Garland.

That's why I didn't want to.

Yes.

I won't, I won't have them there.

I don't, I, I prefer not to.

She is Garland's wife.

She's a little nuts.

Whitaker's wife.

No, she's a little nuts, too.

Coach, she's worse than Carlos.

Grace is just nicer than Betty.

Why?

Well, I mean, they're not nice.

They wish her were not there.

Well, Betty's there, but she's a little, uh... She's a problem.

Well, we've got to do a map.

They will accept it.

We don't have that.

Well, then, what's it going to be?

Good.

That's what I was going to ask you.

It's going to be all right.

I've got to go.

I don't like it.

I don't like to sit there and succeed.

You're in the 9-7-0 today.

Is that right?

Well, we'll go anywhere if you need to call them free.

We'll build the over here for Mrs.

Covey to eat here.

Because if anything can't do after that, I'll be gone.

I'll check with them.

See if he's ready.

What happened?

Oh, if you will tell Bill, go to me.

Whatever he wants, I'm here.

It's fine.

I love the regular artists.

I mean, besides me, I said I didn't think it made any difference to you that the only reason for doing this is just that you definitely want to make a one-stop thing where you didn't get into the business of the CNN and the public and drive and pan off to the very end.

Why don't we get the goddamned first world agreement?

Okay.

Because of the fact that I've changed my name.

Okay.

See, we have not been successful yet, but we've been in pretty good, and I'm getting an engine name for Nixon.

And I think we really should have something.

It should be down here in Johnson Crackle.

I mean, you've got a Johnson Crackle over the country.

Pretty much.

Well, I mean, well...

We did that.

And it's going to mean a hell of a lot of stuff.

It's a good one.

It is going to turn a spark change.

But that's a good one to do.

Because it's a big international thing to do.

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