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Yeah, he should feel pretty good about that.

One of the victorious nations that we can share that life with.

That's right.

You know, we never have.

We've got a ride in Japan, huh?

Oh, yeah.

That's right.

He knows we worked on it.

Oh, yeah.

Just saying, I think Chris Wesson on the screen was vetted by Dave Wood 6 today.

Well, Bill, what other boats are coming out that day?

They're all joint assistants today.

One is magic system.

What about the continued resolutions?

I don't know what's the lowest I've been called.

I've been on the phone and I've sent letters.

I talked to everybody and I couldn't come to the house.

We turned around about 20 people.

Including Stan and Ryan.

I couldn't do anything else.

Great.

Uh, you would obviously agree to help us instead.

I see.

About which one?

Just humanitarian?

No, I think the military.

Humanitarian.

At least you can get back on your feet, you know?

Military may be easier.

Really?

Yeah.

There's some of them that are afraid to take on the military.

That's right.

The military may be easier.

Well, you can make a better case about her.

I mean, she's, her seat's over there.

I couldn't believe the son of a bitch is never voted for.

I've seen her, I've seen her last night.

She's not right.

Raising our program for all of Vietnam.

Raising our program next to the foreign state.

Raising our program of mutual assistance.

And this is better.

This is good to do.

All the better.

This is good to do.

It's better than all other countries defend themselves and send Americans to do it.

The son of a bitch is never voted for.

He was talking to the next crowd, it was all of us.

He was the next crowd that he used for both money and reelection.

He was sure not going to get out of the ballpark better.

I saw the senator yesterday.

But, yeah, he told us about the controversy he mentioned to me.

The, uh... President?

Yeah.

I don't know if he did any good or not.

Apparently, he did, because Chuck... Chuck said, did they go on and he left?

Mm-hmm.

Because he said that he paid great credit to the fact that they agreed that we must support the president.

I mean, I saw about Bill in New York last night.

I said, damn, how about voting for us once?

He said, no.

Yeah.

I think I'm making a strong speech in support of Young's position.

And Bill Young said he had the key of both words.

Which one?

I think I was first, economic.

But as I pointed out, as I said, the economic one is about 9,000 American companies with 60,000 employees.

and 50 states in the Union.

They'll all be adversely affected.

Secondly, if we develop a woman, there's a difference between the two, so there's a primary set of reasons for the illness.

And, of course, the military assistance one is like one that is hard.

I just didn't know if all the efforts of the business made on the intercession have been made.

In Korea.

In Korea?

Do you know?

I'm not going to wait until you get all your, all the things in Korea, Sergeant.

A striking example of withdrawal from Korea's totally big one.

That's it.

No.

I thought you'd get to New York's good life.

Did you see them?

I didn't.

I didn't know they had it.

You were there.

Bill said, right back at you here.

How'd you wait for Nick Jr. to come to the dance?

He's not political.

He went as a New York fan.

Tony Lassiter has been.

He is the most persistent.

He has solid evidence.

He has, you know, between Ian Mulcahy and a couple others, they have...

that all the key people, you know, that weren't seen.

See, a lot of the cataract shots, we had to run them in, and they asked the others, and so Bill couldn't go and speak at one of the dinners.

It was a good time for me to pay $10,000 for one.

So, uh, a couple of things to say.

I don't think, as far as Mrs. Chips is concerned, I just talked to her in the other country, I don't know anything.

I'll recommend her, at least suggest to her, is I'd be close if they boarded with us on Chiraft.

We haven't had a high-level fellow there.

I'm all for it.

They've been with us all the time.

Mrs., the president's wife, is a very attractive woman.

And there's a dam there that we felt financed, and I think she can dedicate it.

The Ivory Coast is a damn good country too.

It's a clean state.

It's wealthy.

They don't want to run things.

Yeah, I think that would be nice.

What do you do now that Billy Grinchman called you on other odds and ends?

He raised the question.

No, he didn't go back.

He didn't just go to an operation.

No, but he asked because of the questions going over with her or not, because they didn't buy pigs.

They're librarians.

Yeah.

I've asked him to come and do some official thing on January 2nd, and he assumed that she probably wouldn't be there by then.

He didn't know whether he should accept that or whether he was supposed to go with her or not.

Well, I think it might be easier to make it better his option.

If that's the first country she goes to, we'll send a plane.

But I don't see another reason not to bring them back anymore.

Yes.

If not, go ahead and ask.

We didn't do enough.

The dangerous of what we'll not go with Pat, but it's pretty good.

He's a singer.

There's this one girl that's damn good.

Pat might like it.

She likes it.

She can take it with her.

Yeah, well, that's a pretty good question.

I'll take it to the nine cents.

I don't know.

There's a delegation.

All right, the layers.

I'm a Latin American.

When you were pushing the, you mentioned Harry Gloucester, and you were like, well, he's good.

Well, I'm part of this.

I mean, I understand.

I can't say it.

I think it's fine.

But he's good.

He's good at stopping the good.

I'll start it.

Try it harder than you can get.

It's a good idea.

You told her that.

And I know it's good, because I visited there.

I like the place.

We'll try to fix it.

Let me just talk a bit and you can make some decisions or tentative decisions.

They thought that you did prefer the one shot.

I don't prefer it except that when I see how it's piling up, I just think that I mustn't be gone too long.

And so that I'm particular about the emphasis on economics and the rest of the state of the Union coming, which would be primarily a domestic shot this year, as well as except for

So I think I would prefer to go and get it down, and then if there was something as far as later I could do, I could pop down and do something later on a one day shot.

But you know what I mean, I could go back to Panamanian and I could do something there.

But if I made a brand tour and it looked like

I don't think it would fit into the fact that I'll be going off to those other two trips the next year.

I don't know where it's at.

We've got 12 months.

I don't mean to...

I thought you might like another rationale for the other, because I think we can work it out.

I think that now that Castro has gone to Chile, we don't want to make the fear that this is sort of a response to that.

And I know that if you get 22 of these Latin American countries together, it gets to be a hell of a talk first.

And it would be considered sort of an OAS meeting, which would be very unfortunate, I think.

The OAS...

I don't know if you, you haven't actually attended a meeting, you've made a speech there, but they, what they do is they all have to sort of talk to each other.

And they have to draw the names of a lot of the candidates in the United States because they've all got dregs and through local consumption they can make speeches of that kind.

So I think we're going to get it out of the way.

Of course, Patrick, the surgery's got to be out of the way before the dregs go down.

Go ahead.

Well, the, so the, the,

It seemed to me that there's some advantage in having a no-agenda kind of a meeting, consulting with your friends kind of a meeting, informal kind of a meeting.

I was thinking of doing it, and as I said, we can do it other ways, but this is one.

Panama has already asked you to go to Panama, to open a... Darien Gap.

Darien Gap.

Bob suggested we try to get that name to, I think, some...

change to something and maybe we can do that.

We can't take the whole highway because that's already been named Pan American Highway.

Sure.

Yeah, we may be able to work something out.

But, in any event, the Pan Americans have invited Colombia, Mexico, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Honduras, and El Salvador to this opening.

So you could, in fact, respond to their invitation to go support this purpose in Costa Rica.

Yes.

Yeah, of course we could.

All of Santa Clara?

All of Santa Clara, Columbia, Mexico, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Honduras, El Salvador, and Mexico.

Now, you could, in effect, say, yes, I accept the invitation with pleasure, and I would like to meet with the President informally.

And that would be the reason that you'd go.

That would be to begin with.

Have a meeting with him.

That's right.

And you could do it with a...

I think there are a lot of ways.

One would be to go Sunday night and get there at 1 o'clock in the afternoon on Sunday and have some informal conversations with them and then dinner that night with them and then go to the Canterbury Highway the next day and then leave Panama.

Now, if then you could say, well, now that I've accepted this invitation, I would like to speak with the other leaders of Latin America.

In order to do this, I'd like to...

South of Jamaica, I think Jamaica is there, and then we go to Haiti, and then we go to Barbados, and then that would be fairly quick.

It's nothing that is very important, but they are marginalized, and they've been neglected in the sense that they don't always like to be connected with the others.

You can do that on Monday, but then the flight to either Brasilia, I think we prefer Argentina,

They tell me that there's no doubt about the security in Panama.

If you accept an invitation from the president of Panama, they say he's as impressive as

And that that would be assured, the accommodations to Danville City are not so good, but they're adequate.

In Jamaica, there'd be no problem.

We've got beautiful sea parks.

What's closing, we're going to digitalize the ocean.

And Rawlings, we've got a beautiful place there.

And Deerwood Lake's got the yacht and all that stuff.

So we've got beautiful accommodations.

But that would just be over there.

If you went to Vanellope, which is a modern place with a fairly lovely spa, you'd have the other nations, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela.

You're very, very, very close to living through Peru and Brazil.

And that, of course, would be a very, very important meeting.

It's a big one.

That's really the one.

Yes, that's right.

Suppose you went to the other place alone, then you'd have to have Central Americans down there too.

One of the problems...

They might not come.

It's difficult.

When we get there, they don't have no planes.

South America is... You think the South... Well, I think we have to stop the South American meeting and say, meet with the Central Americans later.

that you'd like to come to Panama later?

Well, let's see if you could.

I think if we could leave that out of the scene, I suppose we could figure that out at a later time.

I agree.

It's always a good idea.

Well, of course you could have them.

Maybe you could get them to come to Panama.

The only reason I think we stepped the other way is because Panama's facilities isn't allowed.

Yeah.

Yeah, the facilities are not tuned.

I think you could tell.

Well, I mean, Eisenhower had his meeting in Panama.

I remember his meeting with Latin America and Texas State.

Well, I think that we could check it out and see, I guess, what I'm thinking of in terms of time.

that you've got to meet with the heads of state and consult with them.

It is likely that the time would not be any greater to stop in Panama and meet with a group there and then go on to the South American, meet with a group there.

And maybe leave Jamaica for a while.

Well, yeah, the Jamaica group would come to Panama, which was possible.

That was after we made the decision to leave.

Well, sure.

I guess they would, even if you wouldn't.

I would sure take some of the tour appearance out of it, yeah.

Well, there is, there would be a reason.

Consulted with 22, are there 22 countries still in this group?

Yeah, I mean, then we had to lose the air main.

Yeah.

The reason is that it's a whole lot easier to consult with him again if you were there.

Wrong answer.

It's a very employable, personal matter, but what it means to me is to break it down to about 10 to 10.

Something we said in that respect.

And also, they don't have to go so far.

They have four countries and this and that.

This would be lovely for a book reading.

Probably Chile would show this.

I don't have a book, but maybe I'll have one.

11 and 9.

Gives more attention to the big countries, which is good.

Yeah.

I think that sounds like a possibility.

But we don't have the time, then, which is bigger.

If you do it, if you love Venezuela, you're back on your feet.

It's not good.

It's a damn long flight.

Oh, yes, it's coming.

I thought you were making that up.

You couldn't just spend a day down there, could you?

No, you had two days.

Two days to Argentina.

You go Sunday to Panama.

You had Sunday night in Panama.

You worked Sunday afternoon in Panama.

You just assumed that you wouldn't be dragged by it.

You just had informal discussions with the maintenance.

You could do those in Panama.

So did you.

You wish for a Sunday.

That would be Monday.

That's right.

And then Monday.

And then Monday you dedicate and have your walk with me.

And then you get this.

This is a long trip.

Yeah.

What do you think the meeting would be?

Well, let me say what I think we could do, what our mission is to serve here.

There are four things that could be accomplished, and you could accomplish them before the meeting, or at the meeting, or just after the meeting, however you decide.

One would be that

which I think is a good one for this and the other thing.

It provides that products will be exempted, and there will have to be a general exemption, but the exemptions apply principally to the less developed countries.

92% of them come from the less developed countries, and 81% of these products come from Latin America.

It would affect exports from Latin America of about $464 million.

It would be minuscule as far as the effect on this country's concern, but it would be significantly important to test that whether it's good or bad.

It's very important to civilize any of that.

And some countries like Argentina would be very helpful in that way.

Well, that would be one accomplishment, and this is a high accomplishment because if it's perfectly legal, it doesn't violate GAAP.

The disadvantage, of course, it will give rise to other requests by others for exemption from particular products.

But it's consistent with GAAP because GAAP provides that we should accept help for less developed countries.

and everyone would understand that we do have a special relationship.

But what is your opinion about it?

And speaking to the broader question about just the general idea, do you just think it's a, is it a good idea to do this trip?

What's your, what's your, can't you get into the logistics and the rest of it?

Because the conservation movement through this, there's a great deal I know.

What do you think?

Is this the time to do it?

Is this a good idea?

I think you're just better understood than I am.

But let me say I,

I hesitate to recommend it because the demands on new taxes are going to be so great for the next year that I don't know whether it has any political advantage or not.

It certainly would have foreign policy advantages.

It will be, I think, a great benefit.

If it can be done another way, I can get to the end of it.

Yeah, particularly if you have some conscience.

Yeah.

There are three other things we've got to fix.

Mr. Eulich, you've approved now, and I think we can solve that.

or with Peru, Ecuador, Chile, I guess, I think we can solve it in a reasonably satisfactory way.

We ought to send up generalized preferences, legislations, some time before too long, before the end of the year, knowing that it won't go through, but it's consistent with what we've done.

You see, what I'm thinking is this is the thing, and this is what I'm trying to do.

And once I get past the state of ego against that project and so forth, I'm just really going to have to start studying

I've got to study like hell for the Chinese, and study like hell for the Russian thing after that, and do a little other thing in between, and of course, we may have to do, we don't know what will happen, but we have to talk to some Europeans, and see what's going to happen there.

The idea that appeals to me just from a general standpoint,

or a policy standpoint, that this is relevant to it, you think it's good for you to take the trip.

But I thought of that, too, that you could take the trip.

As a matter of fact, you also could take a trip to, it's quite a different trip, like the guys would have to go around to different countries.

Those of you who collected a little bit of a slot, I have to go around and say the difficulties I had is that I would probably be faced with demonstrations.

And I said, yeah, because that funding, we can control that.

So that will work.

And in Europe, you wouldn't have that problem.

I mean, if you could go, for example, I'm thinking European consolidation, other than for many of the countries where, of course, we'll have to see what happens there.

But it occurs to me that

that in that case, there'd be no, there, I mean, you could take a new derivation and go to the NATO meeting, you know, your idea of some sort of a thing there, or a foreign minister's meeting or something like that, or you could go to several European countries and see that at stake.

Sure.

See how the thought I had in mind there, I mean, assuming, you don't know how over the, the, the,

the Germans, the French, the British might sort out differences.

They may figure that they want to talk on another basis.

Well, that's different.

But we don't know.

We don't know.

We will see.

But I'm just trying to put it all in that context, how the people of the British consulted with our French and the people of Oregon.

What do you think, Bob?

What I think politically, you take major steps to consult with our enemies.

You sure are.

I think you need to maintain your credibility and your posture here.

If you look a hell of a lot better, if you also consult with your friends,

to just walk off on an election year to talk to the Russians and the Chinese?

Oh yeah, well, understand Bob, we have a lot of Russian faith in Europe, and we both might some way to talk to the Japanese.

I don't know how, but some way.

But that could be done.

Now, the real question is just to add to it.

Okay, politically, I would argue that the Latin American thing, some kind of Latin American thing,

somewhere before the election is almost... Well, it's certainly important because we have totally ignored Latin America.

It's just all the time.

Well, people think we have, but that's what I'm talking about.

The political, we haven't started the one way we have taken care of down there because the goddamn people can't protect you.

Well, that's right, you can't.

That's what we haven't done.

We haven't done anything at all.

We have an IDB replenishment that's gone to...

I'm not so sure that's all.

any greater problem, because I'm not so sure.

I mean, there isn't much in the data about that in America.

But Kennedy and Johnson made such a big fuss about it, they delivered nothing.

Oh, they delivered?

No.

But, boy, they... Well, we have four things we could deliver, as I say, if we're serious about it.

One is this exemption.

One is the fishing dispute we can resolve it.

One is IDB replenishment.

And one is setting up general grievances.

Right?

Let me ask you about dates.

And also, the other thing, of course, part of the resolutions, which is what's going to mean as much as any of these people are just sitting down and talking about what the hell we're going to do.

You know, we should give them a little of that stuff about China and Russia and what the world is, what we think of, and, you know, that.

That they love that.

Most of these guys even...

I, I just, I'm trying to adapt on what's going on in the world.

Well, that enhances the world we have.

Let me ask you another thing.

Do you feel that, uh, what about May's bill?

Well, I didn't know it could be January.

I think it's going to be January if you follow this scenario, because you can't do this opening the highway in December, but it's bad.

Do I buy in January?

Early, early, early.

I have a feeling, based on this data that we both just did, that instead of probably coming back late January, later January.

The House is going to recess for a while, ten days to two weeks, and that means that they can't adjourn until

What is it called?

House of the Recess.

Early December.

Executed.

Executed for about 10 days.

So the Senate probably got the same session.

So they were talking at the leadership meeting at the caucus about why don't we come back late.

They were saying maybe we could come back at least January 23rd, which would be tonight.

January, if you go, if you go, say the 2nd, 3rd, June.

I said, sure, we'll do that and check.

Of course, we always think of something to say, well, let me ask you this.

Could we make this just one of those things where we could make it basically a spag business?

You see, we've got a five-month path going to be in Africa.

In fact, it would be a great advantage to be able to make a spag and then the dinners aren't wasted.

Oh yeah, when we announce this working dinner, the whole idea would be informal discussions with the working dinners.

And we've got a very good thought.

I'm just trying to go around through the line.

You know, I mean, we know the lines.

You know, but I had traveled through there and got very socialized all over the place.

I mean, I never really said what I mean.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that's a total waste of time.

It would seem to me that what this should be is a spirit consultation deal, and that rather than having a certain state generic thing, we go individually, we go stat, in other words, you and I would go down, and we just knock the damn thing off as a working deal.

That would mean that everything else we're talking, the wives aren't there, and all that sort of thing.

With her gone, we've got a perfect excuse for her.

Yeah, except she talked her story.

It would be a lot better to maintain the excuse by the end of the day after she gets back or something.

Well, there's no problem anyway.

If she's back, we can still... That's right.

Well, let's cross that bridge.

But if you don't agree with me, it would be well for us to make it just a very sad thing.

I do.

Say this time, when you established that tradition, you went to Europe.

For a time, it was a straight, static thing, and you want to sit down and work with them.

If this business is going to end up here, you're accepting the invitation, and I want to open the highway.

Yeah, and then he said, now that we're going to have these other chiefs of state there, I'd like to meet with them informally.

And then he said, you, Matt, I'd like to also meet with other chiefs of state and see if we can work that out.

Yeah, I see.

And so it would just be an extension and an opportunity to talk to them.

Let me take this.

Let me take the flyer.

And Bob will work on scheduling things, see what we've got here, check with Congress, Bob, to see if I'm a greater crowd to see Bob than we are, and figure out how to make it through this goddamn State of the Union.

Meanwhile, I've got it written.

And, well, that's the problem.

Well, I can do it.

I can do it.

But it depends.

I've got to push it back in December, Steve.

Push it back into December, and then much of the work has to be done in December again.

It's your first work, and then go on the trip and do your thing.

You know, if you are ever concerned, though, it could be any time from January 1st until the 20th, that period.

Let me ask you another thing.

Maybe, maybe this is better.

How about doing it right after the State of the Union?

In other words, they're doing the latter part of January, and then I've got my hard work done, go to the state of the union, and then come back, and then go to the people who are supposed to do things.

Well, I have tried to block out, I have tried to block out from the first of February on.

And we'll have a perfect juice for it.

I mean, really, it's just one study.

And that'll be 20 days, 20 days of study.

So we block that out.

That's enough.

I can't really, I can't.

But what I had is when I say block it out, that means still doing the cracking here and this and that.

But I mean, I'm not going to have any public, you know, no dinners or all that crap.

There must be no drinks.

And so we could do that.

I think maybe we could put it right after the stadium.

There could be something set for that.

We're looking right down there.

It would be a lot easier from this standpoint to get that little one.

Well, they have to get permission from their legislature to leave the country, and that's one of the traditions.

Well, I don't know how to figure in terms of that.

I think what the stadium could be.

And then maybe put it down there.

Take off there.

If it could come routine, about the 25th, around that ballpark.

That might be a good idea.

But it's not going to get the benefit out of it from the moment you announce it, too.

It gives us more time to get some of these other things in.

Any other issues that might be there, we'll have more to tell them.

That's right.

Another thing about this would be an easy trip in terms of getting ready to look at nothing.

I don't know how that makes the other episodes be all of the change.

The other trips are going to be terribly hard, as you can imagine.

And that's my meeting with the Europeans when we got that hard.

Nothing as hard as Mrs. Gandhi or Mitch.

The Chinese one is going to have a little love for me.

that everything that you do is going to be .

I just started reading them now, and it's just a marvelous job.

And they're going to be so willing to spend themselves because they're going to .

Well, I think that maybe we might think in terms of that.

We'll decide within the next couple of days.

But let's decide first what we say.

I think the idea of two meetings.

What do you think, Al?

Two meetings.

Two is all right, sir.

Three would be a little better.

I just love it.

I think Panama is a nice field.

Oh, please.

I'd like to put her, put her to sleep, but not to see anybody.

Who would you do the, Del, who would you do the, uh...

Uh...

I think you're served.

I'm thinking, who do you get in the countries down there to initiate the... Well, what we're doing with Panama is no problem.

It happens, but... No, it doesn't.

We just go to them and say that you've been invited to Panama, and you thought that you might use that vacation to meet with the other leaders in that area.

And it appeared to you that it was convenient, and he was interested.

that he might like to host a meeting for you to meet with the Chief of State of the rest of Latin America.

Why, he'd love it, of course.

It'd be great for him.

And you could ask him to take some soundings so that he wouldn't be committed.

You could ask him, you know, like, check it out and see if he's not sure about it and so forth.

It might be, but what of it?

I don't know.

What are you going to do with John Locke?

but that may have done it.

We'll have to see what may have done it.

That's good.

Okay, let's get into that.

That's good, that's good.

We'll decide this will be in the next couple days.

Uh, just a reminder that I can tell that on the trip to the Soviet Union, there's something possibly included in here.

I'm not sure that it's a good one, but you might want to bring it forward, too.

All right.

I think that you ought to have a lot of exposure.

I don't think they appreciate it.

Well, but... No, they couldn't...

I did it once before.

They couldn't bring it down.

That's really the point.

They...

If you wouldn't want to do it, it would be a step not too high.

I mean, we'll see.

I think the Bulls love to go.

I think what you can do, in fact, I think the Bulls have already asked you.

You could say that you've been invited.

The only other thing I want to discuss with you is, I think we're

I've just met with a lot of top business, and we have a business advisory group that is proud of the international people of the country of California.

And they express concern now about the uncertainty, well, generally the uncertainty of the future in terms of this.

They say that they realize that Peggy is in a negotiating position and they're not being critical.

But they think that we really should face up to the fact that there's the uncertainty.

exists for, say, too long.

It could create a good deal of difficulty, not only internationally, but also there's a lot of feeling that they don't know whether to invest.

They don't know what's going to happen, whether there's going to be retaliation or not.

And they think that although it's a good position we've had up to this point, that probably we ought to be in this thing seriously about how to resolve it.

And I said, well, is this generally reflective of the business community?

Is this just because you don't have any national interest?

And they said, no, we think this would be generally reflective of the business community.

Are there any people that are primarily interested in any part of the world or all of it?

Because we can't really have all of it or any of all of it.

They're trying to get us back.

Of course, we've then got to start the process of seeing what the hell we do.

What we do first with the Japanese side, and then of course the Latin American Canadian side, which I understand they're working on now, the Canadian side of things.

Well, we've, uh, the fellas do the evasive Canadian side.

I think the one thing, though, that John has in mind that I don't think is correct, I think he has in mind that we could examine countries for reasons.

I think we have to do it product by product because we have treaties in the most favored nations.

The nation is in most of them.

And we can't, we can't violate all the treaties.

So I think that if there's going to be an exemption, it has to be done as this paper suggests, product by product.

And you can't do it, you can't figure out, you can't figure out products that help Canada and not to finance, for example.

The other thing that they said that surprised me, and I didn't indicate any, I put a little bit blank on this because I know they were feeling it, and I said it was impossible we would even consider it, but they did say that they felt that the gold pricing should be seriously considered and that they realized the

the disadvantages here, but they felt they'd exaggerated that a bit from a macro standpoint, there's not any fact really, because even if you raise the price to go, it's still below the market price.

And secondly, if you could use that to get a good deal, if you can get the other side to concede, it could be a little more than they would otherwise.

the chance for this, that they don't think, and I said, well, you know, this is surprising because I don't think it's a business community generally very much.

They said, we don't think so.

I noticed the little crock's behind the bush.

Yeah, yeah, there you go.

In other words, what they were saying was, we think it's a good negotiating position, but if you can get something for a very small person to pay for a good deal,

And I think that they said you'd be surprised at the community's reaction to it.

And the only address that I spoke with was to attempt to, politically, if you could, if you could point out that we got a hell of a good bargain, which I couldn't.

No, they said the French were talking in front of the French, giving a chance to temporalize it, because the French had got a war with them.

It's impossible, you can think of those terms, but the French were a little bit of a

The defense isn't going to be good by this one way or the other.

I mean, that's the judge.

They don't make good ones for this thing.

Well, as far as we're concerned.

Well, I just wanted to mention it to you.

I don't know.

I agree.

It's very misleading.

A lot of this stuff is around here.

And, uh...

Well, let me ask you to do this.

If you've got a little time, if I could just drop in and talk to Gerard Schultz again, and see what his answers are.

I will.

I thought it would be good.

What George is up is a lot more knowledgeable on a particularly on the planetary thing than almost anybody we have here except for Ernst.

Well, I've looked at Ernst through a Burt's particle fraction.

Of course, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's advocating a strong name.

I have a thought that Charles is against it.

I mean, I, you know, I'm, I'm not too much of that.

Connolly is way too steep.

So, uh, I guess, sort of, the reason I, I thought, uh, let's not discuss it at this point, because I don't want to get a hell of a lot of speculation about it, you know.

Well, that's why I said to him, yeah.

First, I said it's impossible.

We've got to have legislation.

Second, I said, I know the prison system.

I can't do it.

And they raised the subject.

I wasn't surprised.

There was a general agreement.

There was no small group of money.

But they do represent much less a group of senators.

First, they want violence.

I think we've got to be all careful now.

I'm aware of the fact that we might get dis-irritant out of our relations.

I'm also, as you are, of course, keenly aware of the fact that there's a domestic effect of everything else rather than the foreign effect of this course.

What we're doing in foreign lives is pretty good, generally.

What we're doing domestically is pretty good.

Well, I think that if they were speaking about it, they were saying that if it takes too long, it's going to wear off.

I think that's what they were pointing at.

Bob, I want to talk to Al about troops.

As you know, we've been thinking about this plan for two months now.

The problem with the damn thing, Mel's just been, the reason we took some time is that, as you noticed when he was over there, he's pretty much, pretty much going to go get it out.

Well, you know what I mean?

Well, he can do this and everything.

I understand that.

He's got to say something, but...

It does pose some problems when you have to make an announcement, and also when people build up their expectations.

You wonder what the hell they're going to be.

Now, the problem is that it's raised, which you are to think of, because the bill is the only one that does out-bill, if you can remember, about the fact that there is still some, at least the glitter on the negotiating side, that we've ever wanted in two months, or not, for a reason.

I haven't told him about it, too, but I said, well, give me an option.

But he knows that I talked to him.

Yeah, in some ways.

I told him today.

No, he doesn't know what to do.

He's three.

That's what he's thinking.

He's got three months.

But nevertheless, I told him that there was a chance.

And I said, we've got to take at least a swing at this point.

And he stopped coming up with it.

of the plan for six months.

He says that to bring us down to 60,000.

And he says that he announced two months is the reduction of projected income.

I agree.

We all want that.

The point is that at this time, you know, we're not able to announce anything about draft teams.

We're not able to, we're not able to come in with anything else.

But I just want to get your general feeling again and see if you were the same people we talked before.

How do you feel about the plan of making the two-month announcement now and then say another announcement in January?

That will shine.

One way or another, we make basically a, what is it, a so-called, you know, terminal announcement.

Now that's what we plan to be.

That's what it takes to just, well, not, no, not that big.

May, June, July, they say you start, no, I'm sorry, December, we're already in the first of December, you see, so you've got December, January, February, March, April, May, they do the first of June, so you pick the month of May, April, something, well, May, yeah, May, is it the, the, the, but he's, he's, he's the, the,

You have strong feelings about it?

Well, I have, because of this, you know, I thought, you know, I don't think that what, that the announcements you make sort of have one bit of a reflection on the negotiations.

I don't think they're the slightest, I mean, they know very well we're committed to the goals and that we can't change that direction.

As long as you don't tell them at the end of the road it's going to be, you know what I'm saying, about continued economic aid.

You don't tell them about military assistance.

And they're going to argue.

You aren't telling them anything.

And I don't think we're going to be able to fool anybody by acting as if we're on a reverse side course.

I don't think they're going to get anything out of it.

So I don't think they're as much effective.

If they have something to say to Henry, they'll say it, no matter what the announcement is.

Um, I have some reservations about the two months.

I don't feel strongly about it, but I have some reservations about it because I think that you've built up a climate of expectation now, uh, that, that everyone assumes you're going to make that major announcement, and they're not going to understand the reason for doing it for two months.

Uh, everybody that talked to me on the Hill yesterday said, well, now we've got to wait for President

I think it's going to be difficult to explain why two of us went out there.

The other side of this, of course, if you make another announcement in January that you make with a degree of banality that I'm sure you're not prepared to do now.

I think that's another that you're prepared to ask, Captain.

We are prepared to attack them, say no, if they're not draftees.

And all that sort of thing, in January, we can be prepared to move it.

And I'm able to just know that that's what we have in mind, because he's ready to take that special order, too.

I think the other thing, and it's going to be somewhat troublesome in January, if you don't say what, if you don't make a very comprehensive statement about the end of the road, about what's going to happen if you're prepared to do this in case they release some EOWs.

Well, to be in a better position to do that later on, it's going to be a little... Daniel is going to be here pretty soon.

And I think if you say, well, this is a two-month deal, and I'll make another time for Daniel there, you won't say, well, now that Daniel is going to be here, it's a little blueprint for the future.

And the blueprint's going to be difficult to get in January.

I mean, I think there's some advantage.

Well, I'll have to think about it.

I'll have to think about it.

That is...

They're going to get it because you know how a lot of people feel.

If you use that now, you better do that now.

It's not going to satisfy the critics.

The critics are going to be disagreeing with whatever you say.

Yeah, I'm afraid to tell them that 60,000, I mean, that's, I don't have the great confidence in that figure to tell us 60,000.

Yeah, the principal problem I see with two of us is that

Here again, you've got to raise really tremendous expectations about the announcement of January.

That's right.

You've got to have the same goodwill with January that you have now.

I think that if you could do it on a, you really could do it if you count November.

November, January is quite at this time to count those two months.

And if you went to April, say you might get an announcement

middle of April, then you don't get a waste of load of the yield.

You mean making an announcement through April?

Rather than through.

Is that six months?

Half of April, that's way than half.

No, that's only five.

No, you've got December, December still.

December hasn't been announced yet.

December, January, February, March.

April's five months.

Then you can have more than 60, but if you could decide to go along with it, you want to get through, is it, is your thought that maybe the 60 is too, too high, too high?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Oh, hell yes, it's too high.

You can't survive it.

They don't need him anymore.

I think I'm balanced.

I, I, uh,

to afford a period of time, five or six months, and come November, December, and apply to that, and have them to accelerate rates, and say, make another house at that time, and then you should be able to move.

The issue is pretty well dead.

That's it.

That's my point.

To go over the short, some step up.

Yeah, then I suppose, but about the point you're building up, the January announcement, that's what I'm saying.

But that brings me to point three.

I have to be very mindful.

Remember, she doesn't have to get to the point of the law.

She ought to sometimes say, this is a final announcement, a final report.

What I have in mind with the two-month announcement is to do that in January.

And I have a reason for that.

The argument for that is to do it before the Congress meets.

before they can start screwing around with resolutions and so forth and so on.

I think that you're going to really have a hell of a time in January, February, and March if Congress meets in the last year without our having announced that this is terminal.

I would say, what the hell is terminal?

But it can be done.

We can say we're cutting this, we're doing that.

And we're down to this.

Yeah, I got it.

And I'd like to say it.

I'm not prepared to say, no, this is mine.

That's my point.

Yeah.

But I ain't going to have to do it in April.

You're right, John.

My point is, it's going to be tough to say this is mine with January.

I just think it's going to be easy to say it.

What's a lot of heaters say in April?

That's what I mean.

True, but the point is, how much, how much hate do we take in a period of people like that?

Well, other than must be lit resolutions.

Must be lit that there can't be any issues.

Did you see that?

You didn't even mention it.

He was defied and wasn't even mentioned.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he didn't mention it.

I don't believe it was.

I'll just take a look.

Well, if you have any further thoughts about it, I don't know.

I've got to work on it tomorrow.

I think there's...

I've got to do the announcement myself.

I'm not going to be able to talk about it on this show.

I think if you prepared January to make the announcement, it was in the nature of a final announcement, it would have been tremendous.

to administer a dramatic impact.

And you can say, why not?

I carried out, I promised America to keep pledging, so I say that the American involvement will be over.

You know, well, I do say that.

But do you think you can have, yeah, all right, by looking at that, do you think you can have a final announcement and still have, say, a 20,000 residual?

Well, I think you can, but I think it's tough on your head.

I think it's going to be tough.

If you're down to, if you're down to whatever it is, 75 or 80 or something, and then you say, now, well, in fact, the war is over.

We've had no casualties for the last two months.

We have 70,000 men there.

We just have another 50,000 men here.

Well, I must say this, and now this is the part of my argument, the whole thing, is what can we talk before?

If we go over the two-month period, the January thing has to be my announcement.

And there's no reason otherwise to take a big plug out of it now.

You can't do it.

You have to.

I mean, that builds up the January thing.

That's right.

What I'm saying is we are asking for a final announcement in January to go for two months now.

That's right.

Probably like you know, when you get down and you talk about your transitional force and wherever it is, you've got to deal with it.

That's the tough issue for my person.

We have 40,000 men in Georgia.

This is different, I think.

I'm afraid it's got to be.

We can't wheel it.

We can't wheel it in this case.

But we can wheel it as long as there's B.O.W.s.

There's no problem that there are B.O.W.s.

But then, you get down to January, we've got to save the prisoners for...

You see, another problem we want to ask people about January.

Suppose the credit says January.

In effect, this is a final announcement that we will reduce our troops so we can have 40,000 or 20,000 or 50,000, whatever you want.

And they are there for the purpose of ensuring that we get our purpose of working here.

And that's what they're there for.

Then, at that point, that would be January.

So immediately you'll be faced with that damn problem.

At the beginning of the economy, you can't announce it.

But you can establish your partners, which are a combination of factors.

One is that your transitional force is to carry it over until such time as certain lagging technicalities are developed by the South African Marines.

They're not combat roles.

I've got to get Kurtz in here, but I don't think about it.

Yeah, my throw is that I don't think

I don't think we did well.

We did what we got.

If you ask first about giving out all the harm that you're going to be doing, I'm going to say that it's, well, a final announcement thing, too, that's maybe able to say more than we can think.

I don't know anything.