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I think all this stuff is very good.

Well, I was talking to Mitchell on the phone.

I thought it was a delay.

Well, the reorganization thing is settled.

Everybody's in order again.

Well, Mitchell was speaking.

I think he's saying about it so I just went over the whole thing with him.

He's completely satisfied.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know.

You're going to have the seven-man captain rather than the six.

Well, you'll have eight departments instead of seven.

Screw that, man.

I'm sorry to keep you waiting, but I had a decent busy day.

Well, that's it.

I'll be at the cloud agency.

How long have you been on your team?

Well, it's about time.

It's about time to think how long ago it was.

It's about time to be on your team.

How long were you in the Department of Dreams?

Which years?

1954 to 1957.

Oh, this one.

1954 to 1957.

1956.

Oh, we won that.

Prices are pretty good that year, but it's getting more and more crazy, though.

That's what I wanted to say.

My students used to ask me, what is the fair price for hogs?

And my quick answer, I'd say it's 10% more.

And I say, what's the fair cost for pigs?

And my quick answer is 10%.

Well, I know.

I've been in the hog business for an awful lot of years, and Carl Curtis and Eric Steadway regarded this as the final importance I want.

Okay, we'll do that.

I honestly see a lot of people that contact us.

feel that they haven't translated this into anti-administration position yet, but they will.

Tennessee's in that direction.

Let me ask, the real problem is to get it up here.

Yeah, well, I know.

The real problem is to get it up next year, but if we can get it up next year, it's going to be a big year.

I am not so sure that our people in the department and our on the staff here have made the right decision on the court.

If I'm speaking...

Well, without, as you know, there's a real problem on the Corn Act.

That's just one of the matters that Curtis is discussing.

I don't know why he's like that.

He's a very simple person.

But the whole point is that you can, our whole strategy is, well, we'll wait around and do some things and see that we get enough corn and see that next year the price is up, because that's all the farmers are going to matter.

That could be, unless

Unless it sets in.

And that's the problem you have with 91 and 92 cent corn in the class 93.

And my view is that it might be necessary to give it a, I'm not thinking of 600 million bushels to 300 million at this point, just to

Yeah, basically, so we care.

You're talking about the Senate, is that it?

What?

You're talking about the... Well, sir, I'm concerned about any way to give it a... Brian, see, see, see, stop.

The only thing is that...

I don't agree with Curtis's statement.

It's not so reasonable.

It's so different.

But I think it's got to be an evaluation.

I think we've come up with the way to do it.

I think that in the 50s we always did write a deal about agriculture.

We sold them.

We had sold them the talk right then.

They were usually symbolically wrong.

And symbolism is where we're wrong here, John.

We're just good for all the symbolism.

We just don't give a damn.

That little tip of your right shall help.

I think that at this point, I just don't want to sit in too long with them sitting out there and saying, you know what I mean?

And then people think, and then next year maybe we get it to a dollar and two cents.

They may never forget the dollar and the ninety cents.

You know what I mean?

Like people never forgot the depression.

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That's a problem that I want reexamined.

We can do a reexamination as an intellectual, an examiner as a politician.

I think it's terribly important for you.

We of course expect you to give your best judgments what to do.

But I have no doubt about that.

You know how to run this stuff.

You're an expert.

I mean, it's been very difficult to have anybody in this country who has any freedom of the town in terms of a political thing.

Everybody wants to have it.

President, by the way, the best politics is to do what's right.

It's true that you're not around to be able to do what's right, but you have to do what's wrong.

That's the best that we have in our administration.

I know.

Okay, thanks.

Well, I quite agree with you, Mr. President.

I want to tell you that you

I told you I mentioned it this morning.

Yes, I've talked to John Swann a little bit, but it's all on another matter.

You know, you're over there.

I know you.

Good person.

I mean, he's very gentle.

But I told him I'd have a year as a professional anarchist, of course.

And I've had some little taste in politics, but I don't think I felt proud of myself.

And I think there's much that can be done.

In the first place, I'm a rather articulate individual.

I will be able to prepare the impression of the Department of Health that I am particularly in a difficult position here.

And to get a positive status on the U of F, I think,

But I think now we get to give the impression that somebody's really speaking up for agriculture in a partisan sort of way.

And you're on some risk doing that.

I mean, you speak up, you know, speak up partly about that cost.

It's one of those bug farmers, $25,000 for a copy of that.

I guess 90 cent corn, this doesn't make sense.

You just don't have enough acres to run it over to spread your overhead.

But they want to hear somebody down here who's, who they think is aware of the problem.

It's harder under the personal restriction to lose.

Yeah.

I'm not being averse to some kind of a need to, but there are dangers involved with the so-called strategic reserves.

But the trouble is, as long as they're telling you the truth, the trouble is what we have to realize.

Unless we do something like buy some crime, we've got the strategic reserves.

It's not going to go through the lights.

It's not going to have to crash or a boost.

You know that.

The House will pass it for sure.

And I think the chances of the Senate and the Trump administration are a whole lot better than our people.

Yeah, sure.

Well, there are people that disagree with that.

Hyde-Marie, Pompey, but it's a close call.

Well, from my point of view, I don't even anticipate far enough ahead.

That's why I'm definitely getting pulled back from another 30 minutes.

Well, that's it.

Yeah.

My point, the thing I'm concerned about, though, is that I need, like, to sit here and have a horrible strategic pursuit program there.

But that's much worse than just taking the one shot, even, to understand.

I've got to agree.

First of all, let's face it.

What is right?

You know, the reason I got this car surplus is because everybody made a mistake about the blind.

All right, that's nobody's fault.

It's just the way nature is.

You didn't have a blind.

You blew your car.

The best thing to do, therefore, is to let it ride out and let the market take care of it.

Next year, the price will go up, frankly, by itself.

believing they're not going to let us get away with that, they're not going to put in that strategic reserve.

I can guarantee you that's not good on a man like this, and he's very close to the point of view that says they're not.

You're always, you're always, you're always, I'm not talking to Hyde about this, and he said, and he said, and he said, and he said, and he said, and he said, and he said, and he said,

So you better talk to the guys down there in the hills and see what they think.

That's what I'm concerned about.

And I wouldn't for one moment, I said, I wouldn't for one moment just say, oh, well, everything is political.

We do.

But right now, we cannot be frozen in the idea that we don't care about the price of corn.

You know what it is?

We talk about weed, we talk about tobacco, we talk about all the rest.

Corn is there for us.

Corn is Indiana, it's Ohio, it's Illinois, it's Iowa, it's the smaller states, it's parts of Nebraska, parts of Minnesota, etc.

Right?

Absolutely.

It's getting up there.

And they're the ones who...

They're those who say...

It's getting up there.

And even those farmers, not because they only have...

Farmers have soybeans, too.

Soybean prices out of this world, as you know.

They're still unhappy about the farmers.

Oh, I know.

Soybeans, they're...

I don't care.

You don't hear about that.

No, and also, even with the deal with the corn, with the huge amount of corn that's in it, I mean, they're making money.

They're making money.

Why, of course.

They still have a price to reduce.

I don't...

I think next year, hogs will be in pretty good shape in that part of the country.

Two or three dollars better than now.

You do?

Yeah.

Where do you think hogs will be?

Well, depending on how much participation you get in the 72, John, from here.

I'm delighted to talk to you.

John, you speak weird.

As you know, if you are prepared to go the distance, whatever it takes to get the acres out next year.

Which means that if we don't get participation at the level we anticipate with the first or second 10%, you raise the ante.

My boys out there at Purdue deal with the 52 cents you put up for the first 10% or second 10%.

There's quite a number of kids that do what you want.

But you probably often have to do 52 cents, have the 80 cents.

But you've got to know that people who are loaded this well, it may take another $100 million for a 200 million.

But if you've got $2 billion in it,

You're fully selected with an issue.

Yes.

Yes, that's all.

So, I'm going to reply to that.

I'm going to have to get with it.

And I'm going to provide another key female secretary.

I'm going to put her in with a big pot.

You're just nuts to sit back there and lose the pot by coming in.

That's a call.

That's what's involved here.

Let's put it together on that.

Just so you recognize, the secretary's job is an impossible job.

Oh, I know.

It's impossible to be secretary of Agnes.

That's what it is.

Incidentally, there's no even satisfied farmers, except they're pretty good folks, and in the end, they'll come true.

But I realize that there's gonna be bitching and whining and so forth.

They'll say, the new Senator Korn wants you to do something for wheat.

They'll say, what's the matter with the back?

I've got a lot to play around with.

All three.

Sir, one thing on this.

Earl's wife is coming in.

Yeah.

Can we do them all together?

Well, I think she'd be hurt if she didn't.

Well, I didn't refer to that.

I didn't refer to that either.

Yeah.

Whatever it is, we've got to get a policy on the straight lines.

If you want to get a policy on the straight lines, what do you want?

Well, what do you want in the schedule?

It's three or four.

Which is making a difference?

I'm making a difference.

Fine.

No, I'm available even if I'm off duty full-time, free.

Okay.

But we'll work it out.

Now, the organization, whatever we want, I understand what the situation is.

The thing there...

I don't, that is not something I want to make a statement about.

He can do that.

You don't want to make a statement?

The problem is, as far as we're going to put it out, we're not going to put it out.

It's not something that we want to take three or four minutes of television time explaining about the department.

The difficulty with his mentioning it is that he's got a confirmation.

I understand.

I just want the statement put out.

It ruined the story.

It'll get out.

I want a good written statement, but it's too complicated for me to go into, and I say, oh, I could, I could, I could.

It's a disjunction.

It's not the end of the story either.

No, it is.

What's that one?

All we want to do is get behind it.

There's got to be an apartment back there, though.

Well, get it down to us with one sentence then, because there cannot be the way it was loaded and everything here.

It's too long.

Take it up.

If I can't talk three or four minutes about it, I'll do.

Our reorganization traffic department, are you going to kill the announcement?

This is one line.

It's not well done.

It's got to be done.

This is one line, that's all.

We have worked out reorganizations.

All right.

I believe in you.

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