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Yes, sir.

I have been looking at the candidates.

I understand that his candidate from Texas was a competent fellow, like the fellow who worked for Pat Hackett.

I don't know.

The other...

I hate putting, we have one Republican and six, I think, seven.

If we're going to go Democrat, I'm not so sure Stuckey, who comes from the right area and is certainly our friend and he wants it.

If you're going to go a Democrat, we can get a Democrat, we can say anything we want.

All he has is dying for it.

But we, as I understand it, we're going to have another appointment.

And it seems to me your first appointment after Burns Hill ought to be a Republican.

We have one on the resignation that will come up any time you face it.

Mr. President, I don't like to encourage the anti-Eastern establishment, but it seems to me he is the absolute epitome

We have to... We have to... We have to...

Well, if it doesn't, he doesn't want it.

I can't answer that on my own.

The bankers, if you go for a banker, I had the brokers whacking away at Archer up at this luncheon at the stock exchange.

Yeah, but then Howie and some guy from the First National City said, oh, no, no, no, let's not sell the money supply too fast.

We've got to break it back into place.

So he sent us back.

Well, they all went back all the way.

You know, they're honest.

They all are.

but they don't understand the immediate problem.

Especially someone who knows it better than I, like McGregor, could answer that question better than I can.

He kind of likes it.

I just want to get a job.

Well, you've got a bigger public than I do.

All right, let me ask, I don't have a good Republican.

I don't have a new list on that.

Were there any possibilities on it?

None that I immediately recognized.

Let me ask... President Brown, I think we've worked on it.

We're working on it.

Yes, sir.

As I understand it, we're holding up on that one.

If McCloy says no, should we ask for a bill?

Actually, this can be as far as everyone else is to get the thing filled before he goes over there to a meeting.

He keeps pressing.

Sure, sure, sure.

I think so.

I'll get it done today.

I don't know, but I'd like to go to the office.

Well, you ought to have a job.

Well, you ought to have a job before you turn it down.

You ought to have a job before you turn it down.

You ought to have a job

He turned it down on the basis of not being able to get away from the company.

How about, uh, there's another company that knows what it is, another possibility you want to go to, which is, uh, Amadon.

Would you be good with that?

Amadon would be fine for Japan.

I can follow them.

I've tried Amadon.

I think you can, just, uh, I can't keep you very, very, very closely with them.

Or he's got to be back to a little class.

Well, Boyden has that.

His wife is very attractive.

I would guess at the time he's got his...

I don't know if he's got any money, but he could afford Japan for three years.

You'll remember he said he couldn't afford France, but I think the reason was that was two years ago.

But Japan doesn't cost him a phone.

He was worried about having his pension fall.

But I think that's probably fallen in, or might have fallen in.

I think that Amazon is an idea, is a good idea for Japan.

Everybody tells me, Pete, when they come back from Japan, you've just got to do it with Myers, plus the lightweight.

Sure.

And of course, his wife is a disaster here in Coralwood.

I don't know that, but I can't imagine anyone's wife not being able to keep up with the Japanese wives.

Jesus Christ, she can.

Well, Amazon would be on one hand.

I think that's a good idea.

Well, why don't you run the handle down by Detective Connery?

All right.

And, uh, you better check with, uh, Bill.

It's a mess.

All right.

All right, check with Bill.

I think it's better than Channing.

Channing might be just too thin of a striker to handle, you know what I mean?

And he's getting on a little bit.

That's right.

I like him, but...

who's just, who thinks the world of economy, I don't know if he can do it now, he's a, he's got style, it's Thayer.

I think he'd work with, I think Thayer, Thayer, Thayer, Thayer might do NATO.

Thayer, yes, right.

Thayer just might do NATO.

is an Eastern establishment, and of the ultimate, I mean, you know, he's inventing them to join.

Why didn't we know more recently?

And I'd like to do something particular.

He's been loyal all the way through his life.

Ever since he got the nomination?

Sure.

And he worked hard.

In 60, he had a little aberration in between there.

Well, I understand that.

But he was working for John.

But I've been all the way through with him since he was...

Absolutely.

He was the head of the National Council there.

Absolutely.

He had a class he got.

And wants to do more and is very...

He's a walking disaster on staff.

Well, he's a big supporter of the Rimmel Society.

I'm sure Walter would do it.

And he'd do what Kissinger told him.

He would.

I wouldn't worry about that.

He'd expect help.

But he'd do what he was told.

But he's going to have to deal with it.

That's right.

He's going to have to deal with it.

All right, Pete.

I'm going to take the call now.

I'm going to close a couple of these deals.

I think that Amazon has very good possibilities.

Yes.

He was very unhappy with Champion.

I think that, uh, quite frankly, that Thayer would be perfected to not

too likely to take either.

But it is unlikely to take Japan.

But NATO would appeal to them.

I don't think he knows enough about the Far East anyway.

He's basically a European type.

You're right.

I think Amadon is the best bet for Japan because I know that company did a lot of Far East business.

So let's try it again.

That's very simple.

You just run that around and run it through again.

Correct.

There, I think it's worth trying the other one, and then I can manage to spray it.

But work on the ambidextrous.

I'm not working against spray.

Bill, of course, keeps pressing stencils.

I will not take stencils.

All right.

That's all there is to a stencil.

I will not take it.

I'm not going to be a career man for that job.

All right, and then why don't I talk to Clark about Stuckey being tough enough to stand up to Arthur, which is some tough job.

All right.

And if he is, the problem is that we have to find an open area.

I'm not sure if New York is open, but I'm not sure you could take a New Yorker.

Stuckey's from Georgia.

Stuckey's from Georgia, and you could take him.

They need a manager.

Stuckey ran a business.

Yeah.

Sounds good to me.

So let me see it.

Alright.

You keep 4-Hair, uh... Well, you keep, uh... You keep 4-Hair.

I mean, New York people get our credit.

You will, of course, on the money supply thing.

Yeah, any people I believe in, they understand.

It's very tough notes.

Alright.

For the record, can I do that?

Certainly.

Don't shirk them all out.

Just say, look, you can pay as much attention to it as you can.

But, you know what I mean, you shouldn't be responsible.

All right.

I think Arthur is, it's all due time.

He'll, but he just might wait too long.

You know, just the vanity of the man is unbelievable.

And when you get that vanity, making a decision, a decision may be not a good one.

You know, Mr. President, he spoke twice within the last two weeks up in New York.

Once to these 58 guys in the boardroom.

And also before.

When all many need to spoke to the Calvin Bullock Forum.

Calvin Bullock, I'm sorry.

And quite frankly.

Legacy Bullock.

Yeah.

Now, he got pretty good at the end.

He got fired up in the last five minutes of the one in the stock exchange.

But the first one that he just laid in and...

I was leaning on our friends up there to have him up in a big, in a bigger form, and Ralph D'Annunzio finally did this luncheon thing.

But they were reluctant because they thought he was, it just, there was no fire to it.

In the right form, Paul, Paul does well.

We got John Connolly, he's going up there tomorrow night.

I guess it's Thursday night.

Connolly.

He's speaking to the economic club in New York.

Isn't it the 19th?

All right.

Mr. Marks.

All right.

Well, yeah.

That's 70 to 20.

Anyway, he's going to be a... Is it?

60.

So this... You're firing him up.

And Ronnie is... Yeah.

Well, yeah.

I'm speaking to the economic club.

But our rumbles are off, that horrible scene.

Those guys, they're seeing the real deal.

Well, they go to sleep.

You know, he doesn't have a high voice and starts giving them a history course in the economy, and they don't care.

I don't want to play with him.

That's right.

That'll be the cure.

1966, this happened.

Well, by the time he gets up to 1971, he's lost.

What do you think we should do?

You're feeling about out of control now, aren't you?

Well, I don't think we ought to take them on so that we're caught, because I think that it causes enough support that it undermines our validity.

You've certainly given them all the attention in the world.

I would think that an occasional slight, if he has taken a position that is clearly contrary to that of the administration, again,

I think that not including him in some of these things here would be helpful.

He's really been immune.

He's immune to some extent in his position.

And if he continues to get all the attention in the world from the White House, then he can, with impunity, take his independent position.

Okay.

Thank you.

Well, accept that, Mr. President.

Is that a big word to keep the others off?

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

And Arthur is, he is damn smart.

So it's a matter of timing.

And he has the credibility with the bankers and people abroad, so that he's honest.

That's right.

And they're satisfied that, in their view, this important institution is being very responsibly run.

So I think that that is the standpoint of Arthur.

From the standpoint of our media problem, he's difficult, but I would... Well, that's important.

You could undermine... That's right.

And that would be a more fundamental weakness than whether it's gone over the year at 5% or 6% or 7%.

If people didn't believe that this institution was being properly run, I think that would be it.

That lack of confidence would have a bad effect.

Yes, I will.

Yes, sir.

Uh, as I do, I mentioned to Colin already.

And he agreed, did he?

So I, I don't have to go back.

Yes, yes, I wouldn't touch base with him again on that.

Yeah, and, uh, could he be a classy guy over there and, uh, it was very good to do what he was told, you know, nothing about an officer.

Who else?

They are.

I'll check.

I thought it was Jesse.

Take a check.

He'd be the person.

He's a good man.

He'd do what he's told.

All right.

Where's the other one?

I bet.

Right.

He sounds pretty good to me.

And he probably changed his registration.

What's that mean?

What's the district?

Is it a district you might win?

It's in Georgia.

I'm told that it's not a district that we can win, but that if we have any chance on these other races down there, that his family, which has a lot of club, you know, it's a big business down there.

Oh, is it?

Yeah.

We'll go to work.

We'll go to work for our people.

Okay.

Good luck.

I mean, talk about the date of your stay as a Peterson.

What's the situation on that?

You got any further conversations with anybody here?

That's... That's how we raise that.

You definitely want to move Peterson to Congress and not... Well, no.

I just don't know.

Yeah.

Except that...

Except I don't know whether he can't even think about it in the state.

It's not getting the hell out of him.

I see he's on for today.

Let's just talk about his trip.

Goes to Russia.

Did you raise with Mitchell the idea that the two should go together in that sermon?

Yeah.

But he says that they still should.

No, he sees that point.

I didn't think a mass exodus is not just too good an idea.

Even though it would be eventually ready.

You have a business of two men leaving the cabinet at once.

That's a traumatic experience.

I think you just got to go soon.

You should go right after he gets back.

You should come back.

Report.

Announce he's completed that.

Got that.

Project Underwater completed his other things.

Now he wants to get out and get you real often.

And move on.

I don't believe Mitchell, the more I think about it, needs to leave.

And a matter of fact, don't you think he should leave in January?

The more I think about it, I think that would put too much on his primary citizens.

We're going to go with Mike East anyway.

I think Mitchell should just stick around until about April or May.

That's a son to you.

Then you can go with Gunn, he's his acting attorney general, if you want to.

If not, we're going to have to count them.

I don't count them or I'm screwed.

Right.

I just have a feeling that Mitchell can run everything we need to run, Bob, right out of the Department of Justice for a while.

And when he moves, it's just too much of a loss around here.

Well, it's a fact that it's more than that.

It just really is candidacy.

And when Mitchell's out, the pressure's on me to become more and more political to come in and play great.

I think Sam should go, he should go, he should go, he should go.

All right, well, you work on that, and you need to get the money in.

Another argument is you've only got a little while until that new bill comes in.

You need to crack the program for the money.

Good point.

Well, would you have a little chat with John, or, well, who could talk to Sam, sir?

Is that Tom Buck or John Samson?

Stannis has got to move now and uh, and uh, he's uh, he's over particular, you know, no harm, but he's not any particular strong vigilance at the moment.

Uh, we're gonna get, we're gonna have a confirmation hang up on Buck.

You're gonna get a confirmation problem on anybody here.

Yeah.

You come along with it.

The longer you wait, the worse it's gonna be.

Buck will get confirmed.

You'll get confirmed probably if you don't get a record of the ground.

There's a military on this attorney just adamantly opposed to him.

And Democrats are obviously going to play anything they can to make something.

They have a government of hundreds of people on the ground.

Have they gotten any Democrats in court?

I think they have.

They had one section with Thomas there and another section with him.

Apparently they, the very first one was with him.

They've got a plan on 7 July.

I thought it was good.

They're working on it.

At least they're on top of the problem.

Oh yeah, very nice.

And there's no other Republican problem except on Young apparently, but no discussion.

Well, it does cause problems, too, the fact that... That may be a bustle fire.

that might escalate the issue in our direction.

But, confrontation problems aren't all that important.

People don't give up when they show up on the conference.

There's always this, especially now, we're in this political band, and it just doesn't mean that much.

On the conference, I have decided that if we can get Stance to go, we better get him here.

So if you were to have a chat with me the rest of the day, because of internal problems, you've got to get Peterson over there.

So I've got him on the outside.

but it almost sold out in a bunch.

We have come up with a couple of them that look pretty good.

Really?

Well, I can open it for that if you've got them.

They're still in some light years.

They look good at first.

They've got three of them now that are on paper are one of the ones

I guess he just didn't want me to grab that down and do this.

So, we can still work on the Peterson problem now.

You're on my way.

When you use the infection, you can also

start setting the stage for some of these.

I'm aware of that.

I've covered that.

He sees the point of these.

He, you know, he's, he owes particularly with that.

Has he?

Yeah, then he will, under pressure, heavy pressure, sometimes succumb to some degree.

I know it's right this year, I just know it's right this year not to have five million dollars raised to the black side there.

And that's just not good.

And we just didn't work enough, so we won't raise the money.

See?

And that's just not good.

That's not good, really.

I don't have anything to say for putting all those people to work on that kind of organization.

That kind of organization is an incestuous thing.

It doesn't particularly strengthen the, you know, just talking to people who've got, you know,

having him work on some political gatherings, maybe something else, I don't know.

Let's get that done.

If you have a note on it, it's for, I think we should have something for the Hartsons.

And, but I think it should be, when the Spanxes go, in other words, around Christmas tree, you see,

If we do anything wrong, get a little wound or something.

So, the ears that talk about fans will relate to that too.

I figured they'd be quite nice.

You never put up with anybody?

Oh, sure.

They're gonna go after anyone.

That bus they'll go after, that's young as some personal plan.

Well, we're getting us out of here.

We tried to advance.

I assume we have, but apparently they didn't.

But if, you know, there's anybody that's not, okay, totally, yes.

So I'll keep you in mind, man.

And everybody agrees.

Okay.

How can you be a bottom-up?

And from a business man's viewpoint,

If you put a woman on the court, there's 800 judges that have got to work with her.

If you put a woman on the Secretary of Commerce, every business speaker in the country has got to work with her.

But they can't.

It's a disaster, but they've got to work with her.

The other thing that bothers me is you don't get the Miley Chapman.

There's already been two women in the captain's sequences, and that is such a big deal.

He gets some, but not what we would have gotten out of a long time ago.

Let me ask you this, not a lot of questions.

The potential of doing this anaconda on the back of a whole group, you know, all of them.

The last of the local campaigns are in progress.

The last of the reports are in progress.

We really, I don't know, I think we really got to talk a little about their accomplishments.

I want to tell all those guys that their job for the next year is to run around this country selling your tickets to the Americans.

We've got to knock this shit off.

We just don't want people abroad.

And also, we've got a situation that, you know, here's Finch, Alabama.

Well, that was our idea.

Now let's get it done.

But it does get to be a little bit ridiculous.

And I think they've done enough.

But I really think we have enough.

So let's stop the trips abroad.

We're going to be here on the main trips to the United States.

By the way, we'll have some money going to Paris.

Great money for the Europeans, man.

The bus that's starting to leave in our hand, and then let them do some junketing in the second term.

The people want a trip with their wives to see.

Do you know that we're going to be in San Pablo or something like that?

We're going to be in San Pablo.

collection.

And our staff people do the same thing.

They're going to the market.

I mentioned Rumsfeld jumping to Europe was that.

Here this time now is that also.

You know, he does basically the Europe and Charleston street.

Joe, they're ridiculous.

I was just told they were a part of their own, part of their life in Japan.

And I was glad that they could, but now I really think I'm getting a little bit too generous on myself.

But what we do is put it through Henry's office.

We say our foreign policy strategy is such now that we don't want anybody else traveling abroad on any missions.

And you're going to have to make some exceptions.

And I'm going to try to do that.

I will commit and I'm going to try to step up.

I'm going to try to do that.

Honestly, we're just sitting in the sea right now.

Somebody might have to explore us.

Let's stop it.

Okay, now I'm bogey.

Wait a minute.

We should get into the helicopter.

Anybody that runs transportation knows I'm bogey.

I'm a little bit of that.

Like Mrs. Beach.

Now that you keep talking about your attempt to tackle the strategy and all that, I'm sorry to say, I think we can't do that.

Only you, if you don't hurt that, then you, well, that's a statement that John makes.

He thinks he's just great, but I just think maybe he is.

Well, maybe he's just, you just have to have every bit of that that you can.

You can do that because John and some of the saints, they can come to a conscious to deal with it without being persistent on that song.

That kind of thing.

You know what, I don't really know what they want to have and think of it as the way I look at it.

I just told them, Alex is putting on a report to the campus crisis.

Rather than they gonna bore me, then I bore them.

So let's see what's in it.

Now that can't calm me off.

I'm quite glad you haven't found me wasting your time preparing for that.

Sure couldn't waste time trying to prepare.

I thought you'd be my lucky report too.

Okay, no more nerves.

Fair enough.

I think we can have a pretty good case on that.

Well, we've got

Well, what they're thinking about doing now is to fire all those people.

Well, right.

That's what I raised this morning.

Whiteburger with a tear running down his face goes out before the press today and says, I deeply regret it, but we've had to fire everybody, you know, you know, everybody.

Everybody in the District of Columbia government, everybody in Haiti, most of the people of the fence.

We're sorry.

And we've had to turn off their lights and everything because we're not allowed to spend any more money.

What's the answer?

What did you say?

It could have not happened.

We can't.

The option that we can do is you can go ahead and turn on the lights, figure that you don't have to pay the bill for a while, and then they'll come back for it, that the people can work with volunteers.

We can't do that.

No, sir.

But the point is we've got to re-launch the grants and the Democratic leadership in the Senate, and we've got to lay back some of this.

Well, it's just, nobody objects.

It's just, it's a pretty delightful sentiment in this way, whether we're, you know, hurting or not.

Well, the one objection that's valid, I think, is what it says is that the government's all screwed up, and you're the government, so it's saying you're all screwed up.

Maybe we're going to want to do that.

Right.

Maybe that's true.

Can you differentiate, can you hang this clearly on the Democratic leadership in the Congress, or does it look like the President can't run the country?

I think, and that's what they're working on now, is how do you make the case?

I think you can make the case.

You don't want to hang it just on Ellinger, because actually Ellinger's done what he should do, what he should do, is put pressure on the other people.

You've got to hang it on basically a Sandsfield, who is the guy who really is the one that screwed it up.

But instead of an individual, you hang it on the Democratic Senate leadership, which is an ideal place to put a bad spot right now, because that's where all our enemies are.

The other question pending before us that we ought to, it's a basic strategy question, it's not a third, it's two, because it's the idea is to take on the Senate if we want to do it.

Is the whole labor question, and that relates to the thing of whether, what you do, these media development conventions.

Earth, curiously enough, comes up with,

very strong argument that you should not go to the convention.

It would be exactly the opposite of what I would be expecting to come up with.

Because...

It's quite a big area.

Yeah.

And his view is that it might be a little too long.

His view is that you need an enemy.

You could search for 20 years and never find a better enemy than the leadership of Oregon.

That's what it's particularly about.

Particularly if you're personified by Jordanian.

I'm not personified by Jordanian.

That's just it.

It might not bother them.

That's the dividing organ.

It's like the two of the chips.

It's also the first minority.

But I think I ought to do it too, Bob.

I think the more I think about it, I need to be a hell of a...

I just really think that... Well, the other thing is you can go in and do it without keeping John too.

Well, of course not.

You would.

But it's a little hard never to not to appear, not to be here.

The other argument

to wait until they walk out and stand out and look at you at some point before you take them on, rather than, because you wouldn't be taking them on by not going necessarily.

John said we should attack them, not appease them.

But what we need is to determine what our labor strategy is, and that it should be determined on a cold-blooded basis, not on an ad hoc basis related to the convention.

We don't have to decide anything on the convention.

for several days.

There's some question as to what the programming convention is and even what we have.

Suffrage and Rizal have given us a different report than Meany had originally given us.

Which is that Meany is not going to speak on Wednesdays, he's going to speak on Thursdays.

And that there are no Democrats speaking and that you should not come down on Thursdays, you should come down on Mondays if you come at all.

at the end rather than at the beginning.

That you could not go on the same day that meaning goes.

I can presume you can.

And that maybe you should wait and see what develops on the effect before you decide to go on the next.

Now what happened is that nobody here exactly knows what's going on down there because he usually goes down and speaks to the various unions and this year he's not.

He isn't saying anything to anybody.

He's kept it sort of locked up apparently and is going to wait until he hits the whole convention.

Either one is here.

We don't know.

Let me say that certain strategies are equal.

I don't see any reason to go Thursday or Friday if we go at all.

If we go at all.

But your original thought was you wanted to go.

No, but I hope, but I hope not.

Only if we know what we're going to do.

But if you have this uncertainty, I'm not going to go in there and then have them turn sound.

You see, I didn't think it was going to go one day.

I'm sure, Bob, we can't do this, but I don't tell the stories.

I agree with John, it's a damn good thing.

But, you know, it gets back to the sentence of a good enemy after a run.

I don't know if this is something I see very often.

It makes me all bowed up as they all cry.

I'm not sure that's really true, but things are bottled up, and they are.

They're gonna blame you.

I'm not sure you can't determine.

Well, then, what happens then?

When you do this, do you think that person will do it?

Yeah.

You've got many federal employees.

I don't think any perception will happen anyway.

They have to go...

Just know I'm saying I'm going to be paid after midnight.

I told the town I was already open for the campaign.

What's Madison going to say about this?

He's pretty much laid low, I guess.

Eleanor refuses to have a committee meeting.

Once he, if he'll call up the committee, he'll do it.

I already said the committee will report the thing out immediately.

Why is it for two?

Because he's trying to put the pressure on the other people.

Who are the other people?

I don't know.

It's the...

He's done his work, the others haven't.

It's his deal.

He's going to force them to...

Okay.

They'd stop working.

They'd stop the foreign aid that he has.

Well, that Johnson certainly looks terrible.

Really?

Yeah, he's...

He's got a picture in the paper of his hair.

Very close.

We just haven't even gathered him.

He's so...

I'm not conscious of all of this.

It's sad that...

He's eating them alive.

How was the...

Are there any other problems?

I saw a couple of things that can't happen.

And a White House doctor taking on egg and another one taking on cooler.

And could you get egg?

Maybe you've got to have an election to do that.

I know you can have it.

Where do you think this comes from?

I just don't know.

to have to come from somebody.

It gets back to the curiosity of the short thing that comes from somebody, don't you think?

Or do you think it came from the Bureau?

That was a short thing that came, well, first it came from the Bureau, the fact that it came from the Bureau, but when basically the disclosures didn't have to come from anywhere except them.

They, because they interviewed somebody,

Peter wasn't supposed to be interviewed, but they interviewed Simon and Shaw, and Shaw and his brother, and all they could ask for was simply ask for the record on it.

The record in terms of the practice, which we'd done on March 11th.

We'd put the record on all those people, and the record every time, just to see what was in it.

Which we remember right to do.

Both John's chances, and I looked through all of them, showed he was a queer, and exhibitionist, and a lot of things.

His chances were queer.

I didn't know that.

I don't know what happened there.

But was it just a routine thing coming on?

Sure.

I didn't have, I was surprised there, because I know that we hadn't had a bad answer or anything like that.

It was the same as any other call we had made on any of those people.

Yeah, probably that's the way.

Maybe ACDS decided to put it up.

I think they did.

That's right.

Because we finally, out of time, had the whole thing in their pocket.

They decided not to use it, but they had the whole rundown.

Yeah.

See, we moved in on shore a couple times, Colson has, and I think they figured, and that's what they tried to do.

See, the original story tried to tie it to Colson.

I think they figured that they had a chance to get Colson, which they locked it in.

He didn't have anything to do with this.

He didn't even know about it.

But they tried to tie it to that, to Colson.

I think it was being handled at the right time, reasonably well.

I think so.

The only hanging problem now is if Urban decides it can't be turned off, but Park wants to just sit down quietly with them.

It's pretty much, interestingly enough, as we've hit the story hard and just stayed with it, they've pretty much bought the incongruous though it seems to them, they've bought the fact that maybe we work on it.

I heard Gloria did it, but she wouldn't, even if your camera wanted it.

Yeah, either way, she would do it anyway.

Okay.

Well, it was wild to me.

This is one of those things.

I think our plan with the Hoover thing is right.

True.

And we've got all that camera on perfect gear.

But the idea of staying in until after the election.

Yeah, the idea of, I know, but it's not the idea of staying in.

The idea of who we're talking to, we've already got to sort of stop.

I don't know, Bob, I think it's not possible, you know, you've got people that maybe, part of the problem is maybe we have too many in this category who really are allowed to talk to the press, maybe that's it.

A lot of that stuff probably comes from a guy who isn't necessarily allowed to talk to the press, you know, those who are standing on the ground somewhere, at the ground floor, it's not an issue.

Excuse me, can you say that again, sir, would you like to speak?

Yeah, just one second, I'll finish this.

Oh, it's a blessing.

Yes, I have a living here.

I've got to fetch money.

Oh, hurrah, I'll see ya.

You walk to the crib first.

On her, uh... On the crib, sir.

She now reads that we do not have any checks.

Well, by the word, she does suggest that I do need to pay cents.

So they're fighting from around the country.

So that there isn't any feeling when they come that they do shake hands.

And if you have people who know from the military's office, the Secret Service, the White House staff, their mothers and fathers and grandfathers and so forth, the people of that group, et cetera, et cetera, there must not be any thought.

Just frankly, Bob, have the church reverse the church now.

I don't think you can invite somebody to come halfway across the country and not shake their hand.

Not for the purpose of attending church.

It's too bad, though, if you've got people in town, not to use church as a thing to do.

Anybody can come.

No, that's, actually, that's fine.

I don't have somebody to take a special trip, right?

Oh, the tourists, that's how we're going to come.

I'm not going to get, but, actually, you know.

Clemson Sisters in town from Chicago.

She raises the point too on ambassadors, and I agree.

If they're there, you're probably pressed to be understood, and maybe the way to do it is to have that connection around her.

You know what I mean?

Or if you have, or don't invite one of them, just give the advice.

I think it's true.

I think it's about the same.

It should be true.

Yes.

I'm not sure Congressmen might like to come to any of this.

They don't have to come.

They don't have to.

What they want to do is serve the health.

They have somebody who will help you.

And it's not the way to do it.

It's the way to do it.

You just have to just forget it.

So we got that all done.

And you can handle the situation.

I'll get you and her in a little later on the dinner thing.

We only really have one dinner left after Medici.

Well, there's three dinners coming up.

What?

Yeah, sorry, except the trot.

Yeah, what I meant is, here you are, here.

We're going to be doing the shake box.

Well, see, we had that horrendous dose of, I don't know, looking for the next year.

Well, that's the best thing we can do is not have state dinners.

You've got Medici and, uh, Roscoe.

That's it.

Isn't that great?

Last year, you were so right.

Our nature dividends are... You know, I had a little bit of a stretch.

I don't know about that yet.

Well, Henry, before I even...

What is their plan?

And I mean, suppose, what's Matthew's plan?

What's his option to do now?

See, there are games that you can go ahead and let people work as volunteers all the way down.

Let people work as volunteers?

We did that at the post office, you know, we went a couple of days.

Well, why not?

Either or not, I don't know.

Connolly, I talked to Connolly yesterday, just to get a quick impression of it.

I'm going to go over and see him to meet your appointment.

I mean, I know you saw him.

I just thought it would be a good opportunity to get him to get started talking about what he said.

He feels we ought to be much more aggressive towards the senators, you know.

See, that's the argument on this one.

We can go out today and take the Senate on.

We can close in on all those departments, fire the people, and say, why don't you get a follow-up?

Well, Henry and I are talking, because I've got to talk to you first.

Call a comment on it.

I want your judgment on this particular point.

Political judgment.

But get hard on your argument.

And you argue it as an advocate.

Well, it looks like the president can't run the country.

See?

OK.

Well, he said the Germans knew what?

Well, there was a German-American conference of leading Germans and Americans at a meeting here.

And I met with him, yeah.

And that economic issue, I'm going to talk to Conrad about it.

It's made the problem here.

Made it?

And it isn't.

They've been pretty good.

I mean, they've done what we wanted.

First, he is, uh...

He's supposed to... And he, uh...

the top of this thing.

He realizes there's an awful lot of people pushing on this.

Pushing, you know, on the, basically because like Arden Burns, they want to go back to, you know, have one systematic fail, another one that fails.

And he's got some pretty good points in that respect.

I think that the, I think the main point, and you've got to be extremely subtle in terms of

I'm saying, well, the real problem here is our foreign policy.

I've raised the point that I've gotten to meet with Bob.

You did mention it.

Oh, I have.

I don't know that we, that this, we don't say that we agree, but that these meetings have to take place.

We've got four of our two summits, and any event that they do take place, they can't take place under, without some possibility that we think of, we ought to, don't say that I say that they've got to have the possibility, they want you to put it in, but you think it's going to be difficult without having some chance of movement in this field.

and what there needs to be is some sort of confidence act and so forth.

His argument is that he wants to be sure, and he's absolutely right, the great majority of the American people, the average guy, not the Wall Street guy, the average guy, he wants to be sure that we get a good deal.

Oh, yeah.

And he says at this point we're not quite ready to get a good deal, and he wants to hang off the walk.

And his attitude is very reasonable.

He's talking to Jeff.

Well, the problem is, it isn't so much a good deal, but we can get... First of all, I have no interest in any of the solutions.

In this respect, I'm quite...

I told him that.

I said that your interest was totally beloved.

He knows I am.

So we got you well-possessed to go in and just talk about politics and crime.

Now, a couple other things.

Ravenson, if you didn't talk to him at all yesterday... To?

Connie.

Yes, I talked to him about half an hour about his trip.

On the telephone.

Oh!

Oh, yeah.

But then he gives you probably some of his ideas.

Uh, for example, uh, one thing that occurred to me, oh, that, that, that, that is, is that I had thought that I would have him report to the cabinet today.

I don't think I was gonna bother with that.

I don't know if I had to do it for a reason.

That silly Volpe has been nice.

Has he bugged you?

No.

He wants to report to me.

Can he come in and give me an hour to report to him?

I think what I'm going to do is just slug him into the cab.

And I don't think we ought to get Connelly, frankly, he's got such technical issues to handle.

I don't even have the cab to bother me.

I wanted to tell Connelly, the president feels that he's got Volpe on a transportation matter, and we thought we'd let him take this on, and that I thought that Connelly, that we'll save him for a

And he won't have to bother getting them together.

I think that's a good idea.

I think also that I feel that some of these things, the major parts of this report are important, are those that really deal with highly sensitive matters.

They're concerned about, all three countries are concerned about what are we doing with the Chinese?

Are we going to leave Asia?

What about...

I mean, there is concern all around the Rimland there as to what's happening.

Interesting thing, he told me that in Japan, far more of the money, the monetary, they're just up the wall of Okinawa.

Did he mention to you that Sato wants a letter from me on the nuclear arms thing?

Now, Sato knows what we've got here.

Some of the business.

Huh?

He could have sent another letter.

I know, a private letter.

Sure.

No, he just keeps us busy.

Anything that can get it, can get it, can help solve all that issue, we might as well do.

I mean, you know Dan well.

He's been all that much to us.

It was helpful to have this.

Now we've got it anyway in private, I understand.

We write a public letter explaining it, and we all know that it's the case anyway.

I'll have to look at his private letter again to make, have to find out just what the letter is he wants.

Oh, it's awful.

Anyway.

The other thing that occurred to me, after you talked to Cosme, I have the same view, that a letter to these various agents that he has met, Suharto, with whom he was acknowledged in front of Suharto, the... the Thais,

Don't be nosy.

Thank you, Japan.

Reassuring them on AIDS, reassuring them on our treaties, reassuring them on the mix of doctors and so forth, you know what I mean?

The secretary reported a letter to me might be very important at this time.

I just have a feeling from his side that they are shaken up over there.

And as we know, we are on a tightrope here.

It's a goddamn tough thing.

We've got to get a letter of reassurance now on these things without kicking the Chinese, which we've done so far pretty well.

That's right.

Somebody will leave today that we are going to be having contacts, the White House is going to have contacts with the Chinese in New York, and there's a two-tier system set up.

That's absolutely true.

Absolute nonsense.

False.

And it said specifically, show Elias that we should not have any contact until we got word through Paris what they want.

And, uh... Well, it's just, it's just... You think Bill went back and told... Somebody went back and told them, oh, Cisco and Cisco put it on?

Yeah.

So you know, we told, you told Bill that it's all...

Isn't that what you told him?

Yeah.

Oh, well...

I don't think there's strong impressions.

He thinks we've got the change monitor, more because of his wife.

He also thinks that Gopro's a nice guy, but apparently his wife is nuts, too.

You let me know about that.

I think it's a letter, and I think it's...

I think it's letter-sized.

Might be a good idea.

You and I will talk about that later.

Ah, but why don't I draft one and show it to you?

Yeah, well, if you need this good idea...

I think it's an excellent idea.

I've just seen this, and I want to write you on the most personal and basis to let you know.

And also, I'd write one for the state.

Maybe we'll go to New Zealand and Australia at the same time.

Maybe one to leave one to you.

I thought you got my point.

Oh, yeah.

I'm not there.

We don't need to write it to you.

I think you've got the help of that old man.

You know, he had to live in a very oppressive way.

He told me that.

But you, what I think, Henry, is that, let me say this, on the plan, see what you think of it, because I'm not going to bother you with it.

I, on consideration, I think we've got to find a way to bring the international economic things without doing it openly under your wing.

And the way we do that, I think, is to put the planning ahead of the job.

Now, you work well with the planning.

Oh, yes.

No problem.

I mean, he'll work with you.

No question.

And move Peterson to Commerce.

I think that's the right way.

I think it's the best solution.

All right.

Now, that way, we'll have a political and economic properly

Particularly, Flanagan is told ahead of time that that's what he's supposed to do.

Oh, you worry.

Flanagan is a total lawyer, my friend.

He can take either position, but he will take it.

See, Flanagan will not be out on a franchise.

Peterson feels he has a franchise, and he's supposed to, as Conley says, Peterson really feels he's supposed to build.

He's brought in here the same kind of setup in his shop that you've set up in yours.

And John said, you know, I don't know what you want, but I don't think that'll work.

I said, of course it won't work.

I said, maybe because he doesn't have the power and eminence in his field that Henry Hansen is in his second.

Because the international monetary thing is such a complicated thing, it can't be run out of the White House.

You know, it just can't be.

But anyway, I want you to know that's what we're thinking.

I'm trying to fool you, Connelly, and Schultz.

Does Conway know this?

About Peterson, yes.

And about that little group of...

Yes, yes, yes.

Well, we got it back.

You just said it.

But I'm no competitor to Connolly anyway, because I don't give a damn.

He has his little comments to you.

I don't care.

I want you to play him, though, in terms of saying, you know, nothing about this economic thing and so forth, but that you want to tell him that we're catching that problem.

Political standpoint, we need this.

I could sort of, you know, sort of take you on the non-topic.

you'll get his crafty mind.

Also, I think, really, he could emerge out of this as a statesman, or as just a shark, and from his own selfish point of view.

And I think he's, I have every confidence I can work this out with him, because he's a big man.

Oh, yes, yes.

You know, I'm here, Henry, I'm just thinking, I'm just thinking,

Well, you and I went through last week on that content.

You know, here I am again tonight.

I don't know.

I don't know how they lie in a sense.

Of course I know how they lie in a sense.

Now there's some curious things I'll go back to.

I used to pick up Lincoln and Churchill.

And I read what those four bastards went through.

But Churchill didn't go through anything.

Anyway, he loved to kick people.

But then for a while,

God damn it, there's nothing we do that matters anymore.

There'd be nothing.

But we really have an unbelievable situation with this candidate.

You know what I thought?

He said, you know, he says, I just...

He said, I just can't understand.

He said, somebody's got to get up and fight with you.

He says, Larry hasn't hit anybody since he's been in here.

That's right, he hasn't hit anybody.

He said, we've got to fight for our policy.

I want you to trust me exactly.

I said, that our policy with regard to this international, and it's right.

We should have done this.

They were destroying this.

They should have burned it more.

And we get all that.

But we have sympathized with him on all that and say, but now, how do we work it out?

And that's what we did.

Pull the rug right off one of our enemies.

Given that these meetings, we could work this out prior to the time we go to Russia and Moscow.

That's your line.

You get the line?

Absolutely.

We will work out an economy in the system.

I don't want to go back to the gold thing.

We can't go back to convertibility.

There is a way, although there may be a way, to give poverty to the gold thing without going to convertibility.

We should be like this.

That, frankly, Mr. President, is where my thought is going.

Give him the goddamn gold thing, but not go to convertibility.

In that case, it's a pure paper exercise.

And then also, that way, you get France.

That thing's moving on the right.

That's the French and their gold thing.

I mean, it's not into us.

That's the way my thought is now also going.

I also have a great idea.

I have a great idea and all that stuff.

He was loyal.

He was big.

And he got the number in his shirt, space and time of all people.

Well, that's what impressed me, Mr. President.

He didn't go into some of these details with me, but he just gave me a council sketch of each country.

I must say, I was really impressed.

He had no experience in foreign policy.

He takes a trip around.

And he hit the nail right on the head.

No, but last week, for example, when you read the weekend papers, which even the critical months are highly respectful.

Why?

Because you had two months.

You had had four months.

You know, the two months was a good idea.

The two months was a tense strike, because in the two months, he said, aha, he's gearing it to negotiations.

He's planning something.

See, I know they saw it.

The ones that pissed on it, they were, you know, they wanted to do a lot.

And they're pissing on negotiations.

They're saying it's the will of the West.

Okay, that's good.

But if you said four months, then it would be just another withdrawal announcement.

These announcements make good news for a couple, two, three days, right?

And give you the initiative.

Give us the initiative.

Oh, another thing you've done, which was entirely your own.

All of the newspapers now have stories of massive infiltration.

Actually, it's less than it was last year.

It's what happens every November.

That's right.

I read these reports.

I'm trying to realize, you know, how the average senator or congressman must... Why is this so bad and uninformed?

He reads the papers.

The goddamn papers show what's going on.

So you tracked them in December or January?

If I had said...

If I had gone out and said...

They give them a six-month thing, and then next week it says there's massive infiltration.

They get pissed all over that bus over there.

It really isn't four months.

They always have the four.

And four months wouldn't have helped you much.

I'll tell you this.

One of the things that's good about this, the only thing you can get that damn continuum resolution from, although, on the other hand, the continuum resolution thing, we have it.

Let me ask this in terms of your trip.

Maybe you have a kind of chaotic situation.

It's not good.

Maybe it would be better to say, well, it's going to pass.

It's over.

You got a point there.

You see, and I get it.

Maybe you're supposed to comment, Ken.

Yes.

Go on.

Ah, there you go.

There you go.

Because it is better than any time on earth at this point.

Yes, really.

Except for the continuous resolution.

Because I don't want them to get the impression that baby is dead.

Oh, they won't get...

I don't think it...

I don't think so.

Even if we can safely fire some people in the dark room for a day.

Sure, but don't you think there'll be a continuous resolution before then?

Oh, naturally, they've got to get one.

It's a lovely rope, and it's so much prettier than any of the others.

I just want you to know that I've got Henry tied up here on a, we're trying to work out some, a couple of ambassadorial things.

So he'll be there by 10, 15, is that okay?

It's your job.

Fine, and I talked, no, and I talked to him about, no, I didn't even go over there, it's worse to stay here all the time.

And I talked to him a little about the background here so that he can give you a little, one thing I did want to mention to you too.

I didn't think it would be better for you not to bother doing the cannon thing today.

I'll tell you why.

I noticed I got Bobe on, and Bobe's got a report on his trip.

And I... What you say will sow enormously over the plot that it won't let him strut it.

You know what I mean?

And also the things that you have been really important to say.

you know, about some of these things that might feel, might ruffle Bill a bit, and I think we just, or do you think we should do it that way?

And then, at the cabinet meeting, all I want you to do is to talk a little about phase two and that sort of thing.

Get my mic.

Good deal.

All right, bye.

But anyway, I just thought we had to get up and wait a minute before, because you've got to, you've got to train him over the bastards.

You've got to, this has got to be put in there.

I, that was a real threat.

I hung over him there without being in that truck.

You think so?

Absolutely.

Oh, gosh.

And then the 45,000, the number doesn't bother us.

We're in a position of 140,000 there, and I'm sure it's going to take a hard look.

And we left the idea of a very big residual force, you know.

Oh, yes.

I think we're in the best state we've ever been.

No, it doesn't crack.

Yes, it's squealing already.

Hanoi Radio said it was a dirty trick that you mentioned other channels.

D.C.?

Yeah.

They're very on that one.

They're very sensitive.

And that one they'd get pretty close.

On prison?

Yeah, but I'll just say, God... What is U.N.?

We were talking about U.N., uh, Russia.

Russia?

Yeah.

We're not prison.

You know what that means is that we have all sorts of people.

That's right.

I'll handle this.

That's right.

I think you got it.

Which we can.

I know.

We're in the best shape we've ever been in.

Either we'll work or it won't work.

D.C. will know where the cards lie.

Yes, you will.

I think on this, if we can seize this moment on the international front, he doesn't think that they're ready to make a deal when he says that these people always want to go back to the Olympics.

No, I think they are ready to make a deal.

I had a talk with Crowman.

Because he has a lot of experience in this.

And I said, look, give me a little seminar.

I don't know enough about economics.

He thinks that if he got a charter, he thinks we shouldn't propose a deal because it'd be a mistake.

But he thinks he could put together a deal that he could bring to us.

Then we can still turn it down.

But he does that for Wilson, you know.

And he's a genius in this field.

I had a very smart thing.

Don't tell her the words.

Oh, I didn't say a word.

I also said we can't go back to convertibility.

He said that isn't necessary.

Good.

Now, the Germans, a leading, really wildly pro-American German, was then terribly upset.

But Dirrenbach, I brought him in to you early in the administration.

He's a close associate of Watzel's.

He says the reason the Germans want a slight change in the price of gold is that they can go 8 to 10 percent, but they don't want to go it, towards us, but they don't want to go it vis-a-vis the French.

So if we, if they devalue by 5 percent, can we devalue by 5 percent?

We get 10 percent.

And they don't care about... Now, there's no economy, too, that on the offset that we do there because of various things that we... We ought to be very generous.

But, you know, what this Truman told me, he said it was all settled when Laird went over there and screwed it up again.

Put it on Laird and tell him, look, President Beale's a bitch, million bucks is the word on the house, and I want to play the Germans against the British, and he's going to say, why the Germans against the Germans?

The Germans are our best friends in Germany.

Let's start playing the Germans.

Point two.

What is the situation, Henry, about Canada?

How is that coming along?

My reference to these bits we've drawn here, they haven't done anything.

Well, I understand from Peterson that...

We can get a deal with Canada.

They should say we can, yeah.

Well, I think we can, but I don't know whether it's a good idea to.

Yeah.

Sure, we are.

Well, the trouble is we separate them.

Yeah, I think we can do it.

Yeah, I don't know if it's right.

But I think the best way to do it would be after we have set our strategy with the Europeans without having surfaced it yet, then move with the Canadians, and shortly after move with the Europeans.

See, Ken Covey's gonna, can call the group and tend to get her either the last of this month or the first of next month.

He should put it a little bit later.

It'll run right in the Roger Strip.

That's okay, too.

No, I think Rogers totally agreed with the two-month strategy after he got away from the...

I think maybe you're right.

He didn't want the damn thing in search.

That's right.

You didn't think that was it?

Oh, yeah.

Yes.

My God.

Well, we're going to search.

I don't give a damn as far as I'm concerned, but I don't know why you should give away...

in front of your cards, vis-a-vis the domestic opposition?

When does Bill Reisman realize that people like Mansfield and the rest of your kids have been driving him to the forest?

When are they in the forest?

Have a regular with us now.

We're going to fight it.

I think it depends.

Well, if, of course, if this negotiation succeeds, then of course we surface it.

But if it doesn't succeed, there's a lot to be said for surfacing it before you go to China, but you can do it also after.

But we can look at that in January.

We don't have to decide that now.

I think you'll find Connolly, as I said, being very careful, because I imagine he's sensitive.

He's been reading the papers, and he knows he's been taken and kicked in the ass and so forth.

And just be careful.

I thought, Mr. Benjamin, I talked to him yesterday.

I just called him to welcome him home, and then he chatted along for half an hour.

It wasn't a very formal thing.

And I thought to myself, God, what a man.

At least he's... Don't have to feed it out.

But you know what the point is?

It isn't that.

But I thought last week I had business on that.

So it would be in control, as we said, to wait until then.

Mel didn't pick.

Fine, then they got away.

I decided to go out and do a press thing.

I had to think it through.

We had to inform.

I had to decide.

And moreover, Mr. President, you had told them four weeks before.

Sure, that was the same.

But when the crunch came, they didn't do anything.

They waited for the last week, and then they chalked it for possession, as if you didn't exist.

It's every...

I thought last week was a different...

But Larry finally admitted that you lied.

He fooled me again.

That's correct.

He just didn't fool me again, but he was a great spirit.

Day of investigation.

Yes.

But that week was the right thing to do.

Mr. President, there was no other... We bought time.

We bought time.

We did it in the right way.

Now, Lee Ducktoe is going to show up this week.

Do you think so?

Oh, yeah.

Thursday or Friday, he shouldn't be there.

I do think you'll see the Chinese this week.

Well, it's been there and there, but it isn't back yet.

Well, you've got to get it sometime.

I can see that we're going to never make that announcement.

Yep, we haven't got to go in on that yet, have we?

Well, I suppose there's no rush.

I can't do anything about it until we...

If he isn't back by tomorrow, I think what I'll have to do is...

get a message to Peking, just a very brief one, asking them, I have something to give them, should I do it in New York?

Well, that's what I'd prefer.

Well, what I'd like to do is, if they go to the, and I talk to the

I talked to the Pakistan foreign secretary who's in town.

He's coming in to see me today at 4.

If you could just shake hands with him, because he did everything for me when I was... Just two minutes.

You don't have to see him or any announcements.

You don't have to publicize it.

But he says the Chinese want to work with him.

Told him when he was just in Peking, they said, whatever Pakistan wants, they'll do in the U.N.

Now, the problem is, if we are not careful, we're going to be caught between the Russians and the Chinese at the U.N.

Yes.

And I don't think we want to do that.

Yes, I agree.

One thing I want to tell you on the logistics side, I just told Paul, and I just said it today, and I've got to see him today before I take a rush and see if he comes back.

I've got to have Goldbeck come in, having some sort of trade license, haven't you?

There's going to be no more cabin officers, no more staff, no more people taking any trips.

Do you know how much?

I think that's right.

My trips are the two that we just started to do.

Except, of course, for rockers to let go.

But this business of cabin officers running around the world and staff people are cracking something, reporting history.

God, that's just ridiculous.

They're bothering these people abroad, and they don't know what to look for.

I promise to draft a quick trip, and even state agrees to it, but I don't take any of your time.

I don't think any cabinet has ever had the privilege as you have had in getting presidential planes.

Rumsfeld and Schultz and Erlich went to Asia.

Finch runs over to Europe.

Now Finch goes to Latin America.

They had a goddamn ball.

And that man knew his thing.

Jesus Christ.

He has gone around the world, played golf in 25 countries.

Oh, he's deleting that he wants to be Secretary of State.

I haven't seen that.

No, I think you're kidding.

Yeah?

No, no, I see it.

In a good, in a respectable column, I forget what it was.

I had given them that story about you not letting everybody come in and they printed it verbatim right after the

At the test, at the minute test, right after you cut it through our pistol and the weird thing is we started an offensive.

They asked me to give an example of your style of decision making.

I said, and I gave them this case when all the chiefs wanted to come over and he said, is there any decision I need to make now?

And I said, no.

He said, will anything happen if I don't do anything now?

I said, no.

Then I said, well, tell them to wait and if there's a decision to be made, have them come in.

And they printed that.

I thought it was a good story to get.

Oh, right.

That's very positive.

Do you agree with this idea of no more trips?

Oh, you see, I'll have to.

We're going to use you as a buffer.

Oh, yeah.

No, no.

I think it should fit.

I mean, Volpe, uh, on my side of Sylvester, for what he said, he's terribly time-consuming.

Right.

And most of these others are home junkets.

They're junkets.

And, uh... You're stationed down there giving out checks.

Yeah.

Well, I've been to Cable now to tell him to.

Did he get any?

I did that on my own.

Did he get any big things to be done?

He should recommend them.

I feel that you do.

He should run around there.

Well, he shouldn't be the one who's solving all that problems.

What I wanted to do is to bring them back here and then let you announce it.

I'd love to do that.

We'd like to get the impression that they were the ones who solved the messes.

I told him that from now on, if there is a problem, that any things can be solved, let's bring them all back, and after which we can say, as a result of Finch's trip, I have decided upon.

That puts the credit in here.

What do you think, Henry, about the reaction of the Rogers, as it all was going to be, when they idea of the responsibility of another business service?

He'll be alright.

Alright.

Very good.

Well, I think it occurred to me that all those trips, to make them different, we might, in addition to rockers, just to start to get water down some, we might take Connelly along, too.

I think I would take Connelly.

Rogers and Connelly, how about Laird?

Just sort of make it, sort of get it, get it, get it, get it.

But a working, no, but we'll see there's no benefit in a working trip to talk at various levels.

Well, indeed.

Let's have at least another shot.

Connolly is the best.

Well, good luck.

Good luck.

Keep walking.

Good luck.