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Start Date: 15-Nov-1971 8:54 AM

End Date: 15-Nov-1971 10:20 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Flanigan, Peter M.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.White House operatorConnally, John B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:53:01

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:19:25

618a.mp3

618b.mp3

618c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Peter M. Flanigan, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, and John B. Connally met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:54 am to 10:20 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 618-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 618-11

Date: November 15, 1971
Time: 8:54 am - 10:20 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Peter M. Flanigan.

     Federal Reserve Board [FRB]
          -Appointments
               -Unknown man from Texas
                     -Patrick E. Haggerty
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                     -John B. Connally
                     -Arthur F. Burns
                     -World Bank
                     -Democrat
               -Republican
               -Democrats
               -Williamson S. Stuckey, Jr.

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 8:59 am.

              -Hoyt Ammidon
              -Burns's views
                   -Connally
              -Stuckey
          -Money supply
              -Burns's talk in New York City
                   -Gabriel Hauge's views
          -Appointments
              -Stuckey
                   -Clark MacGregor's views
              -Republicans
                   -Frederic V. Malek
                          -List

     North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
          -Mansfield D. Sprague
          -John J. McCloy
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -William P. Rogers
                -Schedule

     Japan
          -Armin H. Meyer
              -Paul W. McCracken
              -George Champion
              -Charles D. (“Tex”) Thornton
              -Ammidon
                    -Elizabeth (Callaway) Ammidon
                    -Finances
                          -France
              -Alice (James) Meyer
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          -Ammidon
              -Flanigan's forthcoming conversations
                    -Connally and Rogers
          -Champion

Walter N. Thayer
     -NATO
     -Sprague
     -Eastern Establishment
     -Possible role with Administration
           -FRB
           -Japan
           -NATO
     -Loyalty
     -Ash Council
     -Views regarding Connally
     -Staff
     -Ripon Society
     -State Department
     -Connally
     -Kissinger
     -[David] Kenneth Rush

Ammidon
   -Possible role with Administration

Japan
     -US Ambassador
          -Flanigan's conversation with Rogers
               -Meyer
               -Champion
          -Flanigan's forthcoming conversation with Connally

Thayer
    -Possible role with Administration
         -NATO

Ammidon
   -Corporate experience
        -Japan
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Thayer and Sprague

Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
     -Possible role with Administration
           -Rogers

Stuckey
     -Flanigan's forthcoming conversation with MacGregor
          -Burns
     -New York
     -Georgia
     -Management experience

National economy
     -Money supply
           -Gustave L. Levy's possible note to Burns
           -Burns
                -Two speeches in New York City
                      -Calvin Bullock Forum
                      -Stock exchange
                      -Ralph D'Annunzio
     -New York City speeches
           -McCracken
           -Connally, November 16, 1971
           -George W. Romney
           -Burns
     -Burns
           -Treatment by the President
           -Predecessor
           -Support
                -FRB
           -Media
     -FRB
           -Money supply

Ammidon
   -Possible role with Administration
        -Japan
   -The President's conversation with Connally

Thayer
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           -Possible role with Administration
           -Kissinger

     Stuckey
          -Flanigan's conversation with MacGregor
          -Party registration
          -Congressional district
                -Georgia
          -Family

Flanigan left at 9:14 am.

     Appointments
         -Maurice H. Stans
         -Peter G. Peterson
               -Possible role with administration
                    -Commerce Department
         -Stans
               -Tenure in office
               -Forthcoming trip to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
               -Tenure in office
                    -Haldeman's conversation with John N. Mitchell
               -1972 election

     Mitchell
          -Tenure in office
               -Richard G. Kleindienst
               -Justice Department


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    Stans
            -Tenure in office
                 -Mitchell
                 -Herbert W. Kalmbach

    Earl L. Butz
          -Confirmation
               -Milton R. Young
               -Democrats
                    -George S. McGovern and Hubert H. Humphrey
               -Meeting with Herman E. Talmadge
               -Young

    Confirmations
         -Public concern

    Commerce Department
       -Stans
       -Peterson
       -Flanigan

    Mitchell
         -Forthcoming conversation with Haldeman
              -Peterson

    Commerce Department
       -Peterson
       -Women


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    Clifford M. and Marta L. (Wood) Hardin
          -Possible event
               -Timing
               -Stans

    Butz
           -Confirmation
                -Young

    Commerce Department
       -Peterson
       -Woman
             -Possible reaction of businessmen

    Women in government
       -Supreme Court
       -Commerce Department
       -Franklin D. Roosevelt
             -Labor Department
       -The President's Cabinet
             -Political impact


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    Cabinet and White House Staff
         -Foreign trips
              -Unknown person’s conversation with Haldeman
              -Connally's views
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              -1972 election
              -Robert H. Finch
              -Second term
              -John A. Volpe
              -Hardin
              -Stans
              -Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld
              -John H. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz
                   -Wives
                         -Japan
              -Kissinger's office
                   -Foreign policy strategy
              -Exceptions
                   -Japan
                         -Connally


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         -Agenda for forthcoming Cabinet meeting
             -Volpe
                   -Alexander P. Butterfield
             -Connally
             -Kissinger
             -Rogers
             -Volpe
         -Members' schedules
             -Stans

    The President’s schedule
         -Kissinger
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     Budget
         -Continuing resolution
              -Allen J. Ellender
              -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger's possible actions
                   -Firings
                          -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:14 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Kissinger

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:45 am.

                -District of Columbia government, Agency for International Development
                      [AID], Justice Department

     Budget
         -Blame
              -The President
              -Senate Democrats
                   -Ellender
                   -Michael J. Mansfield

     The President's schedule
          -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO]
               convention
               -Ehrlichman's view
                      -Connally
                      -George Meany
                      -James R. (“Jimmy”) Hoffa
               -Program
                      -James Suffridge and Victor Riesel
                      -Meany
                      -Democrats
               -Meany
                      -Unions
               -Ehrlichman

     Budget
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         -Senate
         -Possible public opinion
         -Federal employees
              -Pay
                    -Ruling of Comptroller General
         -Senate Democrats
              -Mansfield
              -Ellender
                    -Motives
                          -Foreign aid

    Lyndon B. Johnson
        -Appearance

    White House staff
         -Leaks
              -The Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew]
              -J. Edgar Hoover

    Watergate
        -Daniel L. Schorr
              -Federal Bureau of Investigations [FBI] interviews
                   -[Forename unknown] Stein and Schorr's brother
        FBI records
              -White House review


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    Schorr
         -Leaks regarding FBI investigation
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                -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
                -Time
           -Relations with Charles W. Colson
           -Leaks regarding FBI investigation
                -Sam J. Ervin, Jr.’s forthcoming conversation with MacGregor
                -Possible appointment
                      -Russell E. Train committee
                      -Mary McGrory

     Hoover
         -Tenure in office
              -The Vice President

     White House staff
          -Contacts with press

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:14 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Kissinger

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:45 am.

           -Church service
                 -[Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon’s] views
                      -Attendees
                           -Handshaking
                                 -W. Clement Stone’s relative
                           -Ambassadors
                                 -NATO
                           -Prisoner of war [POW] wives
                           -Congressmen
           -State dinners
                 -Rose Mary Woods
                 -Emilio Garrastazu Medici
                 -Willy Brandt
                 -1972

Kissinger entered at 9:45 am.

     Budget
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          -Continuing resolution
               -Defense Department, foreign aid
               -Mansfield
                    -Voluntarism
                          -Post office

     Connally
         -Conversation with Kissinger
              -Senate

     Budget
         -Firings
         -Haldeman's forthcoming call to Connally

Haldeman left at 9:50 am

     German-American Conference
         -Meeting with Kissinger
             -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Connally

     International economy
           -Economics
           -Connally's views
                -Convertibility
           -Burns's views
           -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Connally
                -The President's conversation with Georges J.R. Pompidou
                -Summits
                -Connally's views
                      -US public
                      -Japan
                      -Politics
           -Kissinger's recent conversation with Connally
                -Connally's trip

     Forthcoming Cabinet meeting
          -Agenda
               -Connally
               -Volpe
                    -Previous trip
                         -Poland, Romania
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               -Connally

    Connally's trip
        -International concerns
               -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
               -US presence in Asia


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    Connally's trip
        -Possible letters
               -Lt. Gen. T.N.J. Suharto
               -Thailand, Philippines, Japan
               -Nations' concerns
                     -Foreign aid, treaties, Nixon Doctrine

    US-PRC contacts
        -White House leak
        -Chou En-lai's views
        -Rogers's possible conversation with Joseph J. Sisco

    Connally's trip
        -Meyer
               -Mrs. Meyer
        -Francis J. Galbraith
               -Martha Townsley (Fisher) Galbraith
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The President's possible letters
     -Eisaku Sato
     -New Zealand and Australia
     -Lee Kuan Yew
     -Nguyen Van Thieu
          -Connally’s view

International economy
      -Kissinger's role
      -Flanigan's role
      -Peterson's role
            -Commerce Department
      -Flanigan
            -Role
      -Peterson
      -Complexity
            -White House
      -Kissinger, Connally and George P. Shultz
      -Connally
            -Kissinger
                  -Politics

Congress
    -Foreign aid bill
         -Vote

The President's reading
     -Abraham Lincoln
     -Winston S. Churchill

Cabinet
     -The President's conversation with Connally
          -Melvin R. Laird
          -Rogers

International economy
      -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Connally
           -The President’s forthcoming trips to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
                 [USSR] and PRC
      -Convertibility
      -Pompidou
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                -Gold
                -Convertibility

     Connally

     Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawals
                 -The President's announcement of November 12, 1971
                       -Newspapers' reaction
                 -Timing
                       -Reaction
                 -Announcements
                       -Laird
          -Infiltration
                 -Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak's column
                 -Congress
                 -Troop withdrawal announcement

     Budget
         -Continuing resolution
              -Kissinger's forthcoming trip

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Connally

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:45 am and
10:03 am.

[Conversation No. 618-11A]

[See Conversation No. 14-101]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Kissinger's forthcoming trip
          -Budget
                -Continuing resolution
                      -Foreign aid
                      -Federal employees
                           -Possible action
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The President talked with John B. Connally between 10:03 am and 10:05 am.

[Conversation No. 618-11B]

[See Conversation No. 14-102]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -The President's meetings with Josip Broz Tito and Indira Gandhi
          -Troop withdrawal
               -The President's announcement
                     -Residual force
                     -North Vietnamese reaction
          -Negotiations
               -United Nations [UN]
               -USSR
               -POWs

     International economy
           -Connally
           -Kissinger's conversation with The Earl of Cromer
                -[James] Harold Wilson
                -Burns
                -Convertibility
           -Unknown West German’s views
                -Rainer Barzel
                -Gold
                      -France
                -Laird
                -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Connally
                      -Laird
           -Canada
                -Negotiations
                      -Peterson's views
                      -Undeveloped nations
                      -Rogers's views
                      -Latin America
                      -Strategy
                            -Europe
           -Meeting of Group of Ten
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          -Connally's trip to Alaska

Vietnam
     -Troop withdrawal
          -Rogers's views
               -Negotiations
                     -Publicity
                          -Connally
          -Mansfield
          -Negotiations
               -Publicity
                     -Timing
                          -PRC trip

Connally
    -Press
    -Conversation with Kissinger

Vietnam
     -Troop withdrawal
          -Rogers and Laird
                -Input
     -Negotiations
          -Le Duc Tho

Kissinger's schedule
     -PRC ambassador
           -Forthcoming announcement
           -Communications
                 -Peking
                 -New York
                 -Paris
           -Marshall Green

Pakistan foreign secretary
     -Schedule
           -Kissinger
           -The President
                 -Possible meeting
     -Conversation with Kissinger
           -PRC
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                -UN

UN
     -USSR and PRC

Cabinet
     -Members' foreign trips
         -The President's conversation with Haldeman
         -Meetings with the President
               -Stans
                     -Forthcoming trip to USSR
               -Volpe
         -Rogers
         -McCracken
         -Meetings with leaders
               -Kissinger
         -Laird, Kissinger and Rogers
         -Robert H. Finch, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Shultz and Ehrlichman
         -The Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew]

Agnew
    -Possible role with administration
         -Secretary of State

Kissinger
     -New York Times Magazine article
          -News summary
          -Access to the President
               -Vietnam
               -The President’s decision making style

Cabinet
     -Members' trips
         -Volpe
         -Finch
               -Activities
               -Message from Kissinger
                     -Announcements by the President
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     The President's schedule
          -Foreign visitors
               -Pompidou
                      -Rogers's possible reaction
          -Foreign visits
               -Rogers, Connally and Laird

Kissinger left at 10:20 am.