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Well, this is a big chore.

All right, how are you, sir?

You're getting a seat.

How do you do, sir?

Yes, sir.

Oh, yes.

All right, here we go.

Let's do it.

Well, I'll send you a copy of it, sir.

Yes, sir.

Let's go over here.

Sit over here and I'll get you a cup of coffee.

All right.

One of those friends of his.

Yeah.

Yes.

Now listen, that light back there.

Oh, I knew it wasn't you.

Uh-huh.

Well, that was on your back.

You've been out in Palm Springs?

Oh, yeah.

I've been lately.

Good.

I can't believe it.

That's great to hear you say that.

I've been to Timber Bay, which is terrible.

That's what love is.

It's a beautiful, beautiful beach.

Yeah, right there.

Right there.

Right up on the top there.

And I love it, just love it.

Her, uh, come back, you know, lives in Newport.

It's sad, yes.

And, uh, we sent her out to, uh, Palm Springs to a lot of everybody.

Do you have a house there, too?

Well, I sold my house there.

I didn't have one.

Mine is open.

Yeah, I dug in price for it.

Uh...

Well, I'm just proud of you.

It's just that, it's me.

Well, you know, we've been trying to get you in here, but they told me, I told, I don't know, somewhere, David and I were, David was up there.

Yes, at your region.

Oh, we were, he was laughing about some story with Julius Grandfather.

I got to get in Georgia or something.

Yeah, so I told all of them, and our comp box did get you.

You were always gone.

It's going to be a busy show, but I won't get your political advice yet.

But, you know, we have a great controversy for Congress today, and I've had to take it on.

The past years have been past this continuing resolution.

So, I'm going to just let it happen.

that the Senate has not passed the OEO in other regions.

They have, in addition to 4A, which should have come out at this point, because we'll get them in the end.

But the OEO is not there.

The money that they're taking to lobby them is for the test frame.

So I don't think these guys should be able, unless they pass the resolution by tonight, that we'll put all the employees of these departments on furl tonight.

I think we have to do it.

I just went and let him through.

I told him he ate.

Whatever he ate, I told him off.

I told him off.

What do you think of your order?

Take me to the loader.

Oh, I had lunch in a private.

I got back at 30 tonight.

I had lunch with Stanton, who, by the way, is a wonderful man.

A million percent.

I called Stanton.

You know what he told me this evening.

He said an interesting thing.

I said, you know...

John, I said, I just want you to know that, uh, he said, I so much appreciate your getting that sense and that proof, which is safe to handle in Haiti.

And I said, I just want you to know, too, that I don't think we can really run this place without the help of you, if you're smart enough to sign my press.

He said, you know how he is, he's such a great man.

He says, well, you know, Mr. President,

He said, I'm just sorry, I'm so sorry that this thing gave you so much trouble down there.

You got so jacked up, you burned.

I wasn't that bad.

He's that kind of guy.

He's really a way over guy.

I gave a little talk to him.

And he said he should have done it.

And the guy put on that good run.

Man, what are you doing?

You see, you see, as a citizen, that's all I'm so happy about, is that, uh, I've got, uh, I'm in the age now where I feel so little warmth, because I've got nothing but a world of warmth in anything or anybody, except in this country.

I don't want anything.

Now, let's say, well, this country's so bad, we should move somewhere else.

But I don't know the rules in other countries.

I don't know how they are.

So I have to live it.

So then I'm going to this country.

So that's why I'm so proud of you, really.

And what I'm going to do for you this year, you know, what I'm going to do is to try to work on the southern ones, on my southern ones.

Can you do that for me?

Yes, I can do a great job.

Well, you know, George, let me say this.

I think you would be pleased to know that we had an open house about last week, two weeks ago, on this, you know, pertaining resolution.

And there were 56 or so, or 67 or so, who stood with us despite the attempt of this house leadership to desert some so miserable form of a, particularly the non-side of Cambodia.

So I called the fire brigade and I told John Mitchell, I said, all right, you take those 56 men and we're with us.

And I don't want to see any Republican broadcast.

If they do, I said the Republican does not come in here for pictures.

I'm going to let those 76-year-old free ride.

That's great.

You see, that's great.

That's the way we're going to play it.

Well, what I'm doing, in my own way, of course, you know, I was actually a gender-indexing religion at one time.

Which is, and I'll say to you, I was with Drew two years in when we appointed everybody.

And as I respected him, he had a different background than me.

When Ed Flynn was appointed ambassador, he was appointed, he had to get out.

He wasn't confirmed, if you remember that.

And Ed Flynn, well, Frank Walker, the main chairman, and Roosevelt, they asked me to become secretary.

So I became secretary of the Democratic Committee.

So I know all of them.

And they all know that I quit when I became

Corker came right up to his desk and told Trump.

I said, Mr. President, I wouldn't be mad about it.

He said, I understand it.

He said, I voted for a Republican once.

He ran for all of them.

I ran for all of them.

I was in Kansas City.

And he said he was an African-American.

So I voted for a former Republican that I hated.

So that's what happened.

But then Truman got very sober at the end of it.

He was a pretty good hater, and he hated it.

But he's got a very certain truth, which I didn't think was a good idea.

If I had heard it, I would have thought it was a good idea.

But he hated it, really, in his heart.

But he was true, technically true.

Just between you and me, Truman was smart.

Truman was the sweetest guy that ever lived.

Far from that, he was a sweet guy.

He was a hater.

He was an old warthog.

But he didn't need it.

He said, when I came out, he said some nasty things about me.

When I came out and said that, I thought I was embracing him.

I never knew.

And I couldn't believe him.

Because Truman was very good to me.

I really shouldn't be there.

And then I was out against him.

I didn't call him.

Which was a very, you know, that's my, our shape was there.

But you say he wasn't very, very smart.

No, no.

You'll never let him do that.

Why not?

He was smart.

He would listen to the last man who was with him.

But that man had to be smart or good.

We were lucky.

If he wasn't, we were at that shape.

He probably got lonely.

You have two of your necks.

No, all of them.

You've got lucky necks.

You've got necks that look smart enough.

Yes, smart enough.

Great garden.

Oh, yes, great garden.

I just said it's been a great help to us in these last few years.

You see, Mr. President, you haven't put the old one yet.

I mean, you have to do what you have to do.

You can't quit.

In my opinion, it's just, and I, as I said, the United Nations are just a bunch of nothing.

Well, the thing about the U.N. is basically is that it's just ridiculous to have 120 little countries, some of them are...

I'd like to do that in a couple of them.

I think this is a tough decision.

I think everything, I think this is right now.

You think you're great.

Well, I tell people that.

Is that you never, in fact, in the modern day, you never lose your cool.

I mean, you don't have a hook that's standing you around.

And nobody's patch worse than you have this time with the Washington Bulls.

I guess I'm mad sometimes that I...

I quit making some fools, and now I have to pay 50 cents, pay 50 cents, and I have to bring it over to the cars.

You see, you've got to read the sports page.

That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.

You know, I had taken that, as you can imagine.

These last three years, George, there's been some pretty rough attacks, Christ, of people marching around the Capitol and all these nasty things and so forth.

But I, the way I am, I need to press people to pee pee.

I don't pay any attention to the pastor.

I read what they said.

That's why I pay more attention.

No, I didn't read it.

This is the second.

You do read.

Oh, I don't pay any attention, George.

And it was my first.

Oh, I don't pay any attention.

What you do, they say you read the last breath of God.

So I read the last breath of God.

But it wasn't actually a pretty good one.

They said you asked.

They said you were relaxed.

And you had an answer for everything, which you did.

Just like what you've done, though, Mr. President.

You've come out the warm.

The warm stuff is enough.

Let me tell you for your confidence.

The real reason I made two months in Austin is that there is...

But a modest chance that we could get a negotiation.

And it's two months from now.

If we do, it's great.

If we don't, then two months from now, we'll be huge.

That's what it is.

Get the hell out.

But also, it's just about to make $100,000.

Oh, my daddy confused him.

Everybody thought I was going to come in and make six months from now.

This is what it takes.

We've got a market going down.

Do you know why the market's going down?

They think you're doing good work.

This Johnson thing worked out in Phase 2.

They think it's going to work.

And it doesn't.

There's no inflation.

There's nothing on the list.

And I think the market will gradually go up until it's on a solid base.

On a solid base?

That's just what you say.

So, hey, back to security.

You're all right.

It doesn't matter.

In fact, I think that was a good thing.

Because I've been very strong.

And I said to them,

I have never advised anybody to go into the market for a short-term gain.

None of us are never going to let you, but I said to get a personal carry-on.

person has investment to make in stocks or any else, real estate, that he should look to the future with far more confidence now than in 68 and 68.

We had an economy bloated with war and inflation and it appeared like prosperity, but it was a bad 10 to 5.

Now we have an economy in which we are, we are, it is not based on war, that's why we have some foreign employment, but not too much, but also, more important, where we're not

Too much flesh, and it's going up.

It's up today again, a little too much, which I don't want to see.

This is just wonderful, but it is the same thing with me.

They say, well, they're worried about phase three.

No, they're worried about phase two.

The only thing they worry about is it's going to work.

That's what's going on.

You know what I'm saying?

You could be right about that.

Well, I don't say it was the International Fund, I'm very worried, but look at that, it's an emergency.

We just want to get good people to do this.

No, but that's what tickles me when they work with us.

Don't let the margin drop because of the old phase two vision.

The vision's dropping because it makes it easier to work.

How do you feel about our, uh, the council field, George, about what's going on in China?

I think it's just sad to see all this is happening.

But I know that in order to frankly play the game of the Soviet and the Japanese

We have got the bull in the game with the Chinese.

That's what it's all about.

I see him.

He's never grown enough.

We should.

But you have to do the other.

You have to.

It's unbelievable.

This kid just must be proud of you.

He must be proud of you.

He's a good man for me.

He would not be a good man.

Say, it would have not been for Johnson, or for that matter, for Truman, because Kennedy was a brilliant, brilliant analyst.

He took the race.

He got the strategy.

The man he works for must be somebody who knows something about the subject.

Usually we agree, we don't always, but it's quite something.

Can I ask you one other thing?

To get into politics, to give you an honest answer.

What about agonists?

I bet you can't drown them.

That's your opinion.

No, you just can't do it.

I don't tend to, but I've heard a lot of people ask me about that.

Thank you.

John Collins just got back.

He said, John, I don't know if I wrote this, but he said it was a great, great job.

And it's not.

This is talking to the real dead.

Of all the people in the cabin, and of all the people from both parties, if you were to pick a president, I'd put Conway there as president.

Why, Mr. Conkey, make the best presentable.

He's a bigger man.

You know, a hundred percent.

I don't think you should compare him to a Muskie, for example, or a Teddy Kennedy, or a Hubert Humphrey.

You're going to run against Teddy.

Do you think Teddy's going to win?

You're not too lucky.

Teddy's going to have arms full of the government-like people.

Yeah, everyone.

Everyone.

But aren't you the head that's totally about it?

Thirty-five, forty percent.

You get the, uh, this is, uh, it's a, it's a moral sense.

You don't know any president yet.

Oh, I've got to move, move, move.

I don't know the rules.

I think it's serious though.

It, it, it.

Coming back to that, why do you, why do you, why do you use the camera?

Mr., uh, Mr., I agree.

Oh, I said, I said, uh, uh, no, I said, uh, uh.

See how the group that got rid of Wallace

Yes, Paulie.

You know the rest of the hour, didn't you?

Paulie, yes.

I thought he was a nice man.

Yes, but he was a disaster in that chair.

I think he would have been a nice man.

He wouldn't have been a nice man.

He wouldn't have been one of those.

You probably knew at that time that Roosevelt might not last.

Oh, we knew it.

We knew it.

We knew we were not making the next president.

And we were in a hell of a situation.

Quite a story, but we'll take what I have in a second.

In this space of...

We started a human advance.

Paul Russell throws us in front of the Secretary General once.

To a Steve Adams plane.

We wouldn't let anybody come in to see Roosevelt that wouldn't come in and try to give black people to you like you've been advisors to them.

Now, Mr. President, you've got to get rid of Wallace.

Everybody else, you have to stay, but you've got to get rid of Wallace.

We didn't have a Wallace man to see Roosevelt for a year.

For a year, for a year, and then we had a hell of a time cycle.

Most of us sort of wanted him to get away.

He didn't, he didn't want you to get away.

It was very likely that he would say it and he wouldn't want you to miss it.

But he took us to the damnedest job.

We did the most magnificent job on block 30.

It was a work to get rid of that guy.

Frank Orford, Ed Flynn, of New York, of Kentucky, of Chicago.

Oh, all tough times, isn't that really?

Political times, isn't it?

This was a night, that was a night.

But he didn't realize it, actually.

He did not write it.

But the thing about it,

I think he's got a terrific number of friends.

But I feel he's being treated just like you were in some respect from John Weisbrot.

He's, I just think that it, I think, let's look at this, let's look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this,

Care taxes, taxes and the gold just went this way back when it was recovered.

All they want from you, far as I'm concerned, are presents.

It's what runs into me.

Vice President, I don't think about it.

There's two things that overrate in politics, Mr. President.

One is money, and the other is vice president.

That's overrated now.

Leave, leave, leave.

I think you're right.

The political ones talk about money all the time.

It doesn't mean anything to me.

Of course, you tell me you need that, but they, they wanted to make one of mine.

Yes, sir.

I, uh, I think you're right.

You don't have a horse.

Well, you know, I didn't have any money for you.

Yes, sir.

Everybody turned around and said, uh, Johnson, who he made second character in this?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uh, who did that, apparently?

Yeah, Louis Johnson.

That's what he said.

And he wasn't saying that he did that.

He did that.

That's the only thing in the book.

So we, Bruce turned it down, developed a name of the, uh, turned it down.

Everybody was off to turn it down.

Bernie Baruch turned in town.

They thought he was going to lose.

Oh, I thought he was going to lose.

I thought he was going to lose.

I thought he was going to lose

trying to cure Boogie's death, you know.

I said that, trying to calm down, hurt him, but I didn't say that.

But they said I was angry, you know, I was angry.

I told Mrs. Hensig, we were out to talk.

Well, I'm so proud of you, it's pathetic, and you don't see me, and I'm not around, nothing, except, I'm just so proud of you, that it's just really great.

It's just wonderful.

You know, the main thing, as you say, is to retain this office as certain.

But first, actually, everybody who you work with, I mean, and actually the rest of our children, all this crap, you know, good to play with, right?

Play golf.

You probably should have played more.

So, rather than speak time off, I take a little less off than most because I don't play bridge or I don't play golf anymore.

But, on the other hand, the main thing,

I think George, in addition to working at the job and studying, used to maintain perspective and serenity in a certain way.

He was like, keep cool, keep cool.

I heard a colored fellow make a statement once that's the greatest I ever heard.

He was talking about a certain man.

He said, really, look, I've been out of jail and everything, but he says, you know, he says, that guy,

is about to become a beautiful dude, you know?

You keep it cool, you're not losing your head, and now it's showing the bones, it's showing you everything.

Some of them come.

You know, you wonder, there is some way that I often think, you know, I think of these young people, and your heartbeat goes out to the ones that are on dope and the ones that are giving out in the country and the rest.

If you wonder if anybody in this office could inspire him, I don't think so.

What do you think?

Well, I have a boy working for me in California.

He goes to UC.

He graduates this coming year.

He goes in the morning.

And then at night, he works for me the rest of the time.

I keep him there year-round.

And he tells me, I get through him all the time.

David was coming very conservative.

You'd be surprised at how many young people attended.

He said the hero of a year or two ago is a big deal.

Because of UCLA?

No, you see?

California?

Yeah.

Berkham?

No, at, uh, uh... Oh, Berkham.

No, no, no, not Berkham.

Down at, uh, Southern Cal.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's right down in, uh, near Roxbury.

Yeah.

And, uh, uh, uh...

Justin Dart knows those.

I know.

And my great friend, you're a great friend of mine.

By the way, he's very sick, they tell me.

Justin?

No, uh, he's from Cape Coast.

I know, I saw him, uh, L.A. And, uh, uh, what is his name?

Went out to that, uh, what is it?

Yeah, they don't think I've heard of that yet.

And, uh, and, and, and...

He should fly anytime.

I was down with Gregory.

He's a great character.

He's called one of the finest men I ever knew in my life.

He was going to take it any worse.

He was a three-month-old.

He's had all sorts of things.

He had it.

He said he was broke a leg, you know, something, and it wasn't going to feel too well.

So Gregory told me.

I love him.

I've known him for 30 years.

He's had a good life.

Oh, that's great.

But a great fellow.

Yes, sir.

When I was up for confirmation on that RFC,

And when I, Paul, and myself, and Bart, the three versus four versus two level eight, he sent us all up at the same day.

And they took a pay-of-view and said, very good, baby, I got by.

But he had no one vote for me.

And the Republicans were fighting.

Fighting crudely.

They were just doing it for the name.

And they had to throw the eight dollars.

He said, well, I'll get it.

And he did.

And he made you.

I never got it.

You know, I want to thank you.

It would be very helpful.

Yes.

Keep bugging harder birds to keep that money supply going.

Oh, you've got to do it.

You've got to do it.

Artists, you know, like Jesse Martin, the head of the Fed, and they all are artists, and say to the dollar, and say to the economy, and I will say to the dollar, that with this new program, in phase one and phase two, that they don't lose nothing.

Don't you agree?

Oh, thank you for saying that.

I want you, if you will, to go over and say, Martin,

I'm your friend.

I think you're one of the greatest men in the world.

And President Love, you did it.

Bless you.

You know, we lost in 16 because the marketing was too tough.

And that's why Harvard was right in the middle of the market.

You remember Bob and Ted at Wall Street?

Harvard, you've got to lose some of your money.

Will you again?

Yes.

Give me attention to you again.

And you're going to say, oh, my Wall Street friends are going to get all of that stuff.

It ain't Harvard.

Harvard is the right thing.

And you've got to do two things.

What are two things?

You've got to do it.

I'm not worried about it.

God, this is not happening right now.

Only bad things can happen.

Well, that's probably a story, too.

Well, that's my story.

Paul, thank you.

We've got to do something on this one.

We've got to make it work.

That's right.

I looked in a hole the other day, and I told him the best friend I ever had was Harry Hopp.

He was a really great guy.

Well, anyway, I just didn't have a wire for more shelves for WPA.

He wound it back.

Let them lean over each other.

Now, that's what I feel about the Bucs, too.

In the next six months, I would get that shit out of the courtroom.

Moving to get that employment.

Probably wouldn't have the right direction to throw us this money.

And I'm sure you can get back to that schoolie.

But we did that, Mr. President, with Roosevelt now, and we stopped it just like that.

We did WPA just like that, and we switched it all to PWA.

Do you remember?

You were in Congress at the time of that.

Oh, I'll tell you about it.

That was before I went to college.

That's what we did, though.

I tell you, we WPA'd it.

And then PWA'd it.

Then when we got him back in, he had the 30 cents.

those are the only two days that they couldn't get out at the right time

Well, brothers and I served my life, you see, and anything in the world that I can help them do, well, I appreciate it.

You know, just follow up, keep your ear to the ground.

That's what I'm doing.

And I can't move you sometimes, but I think somehow...

Yeah.

Thank you, sir.

Very much so.

Can you tell me a quick story that you got?

Oh, this is great.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, sir.

And I've got your conference.

No, I don't think that.

Listen, that's what I'm going to write.

Listen, we're supposed to come over and write to you, Mr. President.

I think that's what I'm going to get out of it.

This is Michael.

This is the story about Poochie.

Uh, it seems that, have you heard about the two lines of Khrushchev left?

No.

Well, it seems that, uh, Khrushchev, uh, that Stalin, rather like Khrushchev, he said one of them, he said, Drew, it's your boy, he said, I'm going to die and I'm going to live long.

And I want you to take over.

Now, he said, you won't get it when I first get out of office.

There'll be trouble in here.

There'll be trouble next year when you come in.

And then you'll have a lot of trouble.

Now, when things get tough, I'm leaving you two nights.

I want you to read this one first, and then you can say a word later when I'll read the second.

So he, as he said some things, on the course drew a crucible in the head of the dove.

So, taking it to the very end, he looked at the face and looked at it and thought to his wife and said, why don't you read that one to start with?

So we both didn't stop, and the letter said, blame everything on me.

So we said, that's not a bad idea.

So we stopped him, and he turned down, and then he went, but it wasn't me for three or four years.

Then things got worse.

So she said, why are you here?

She said, well, maybe you better open the second letter.

He said, I don't know.

I'm sure that's not bad.

She said, yeah, I think you better open it.

So he opened the second letter, and it said, prepare two lovers.

Ha ha!

Take care.