{"conversationCode":"619-003","tapeNumber":619,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-619-003","startDateTime":"1971-11-16T13:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-16T14:50:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Nov-1971","startTime":"8:07 AM","endDate":"16-Nov-1971","endTime":"9:50 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"United States Secret Service agents; Sanchez, Manolo; Ziegler, Ronald L.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On November 16, 1971, United States Secret Service agents, Manolo Sanchez, Ronald L. Ziegler, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:07 am and 9:50 am. 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It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 02/11/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[619-003-w002]\n[Duration: 2m 29s]\n\n     Unknown Senator\n\n[This portion of the tape is mostly room noise with some muffled background conversation.]\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\ncleared for release. The withdrawal is now categorized as a PRMPA Federal Statute (A) and\nwas reviewed under deed of gift 09/30/2019.]\n[Federal Statute]\n[619-003-w004]\n[Duration: 13s]\n\n     Spelling of acronym USSS\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 09/30/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[619-003-w005]\n[Duration: 16m 12s]\n\n     Greetings\n\n     Agent Parson\n\n     Officer Keene\n\n     Unknown woman\n\n     General conversation\n\n**************************************************************************\n\fManolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 8:07 am.\n\n     Electrician\n\nRonald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 8:07 am.\n\n     Oval Office\n          -Lighting problem\n\n     Old Executive Office Building [EOB]\n\nAn unknown person [Secret Service agent] talked with an unknown person at an unknown time\nbetween 8:07 am and 9:50 am.\n\n[Conversation No. 619-3A]\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Statute (A) withdrawal. This segment was rereviewed 12/08/2017 with new\nguidance. Segment cleared for release.]\n[Federal Statute]\n[619-003-w001]\n[Duration: 3s]\n\n     United States Secret Service [USSS]\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n     Lighting problem\n          -Oval Office\n          -EOB\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 02/11/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[619-003-w003]\n[Duration: 3m 21s]\n\n     Unknown person’s location\n\n     Unknown person’s arrival\n\n     General conversation\n\f**************************************************************************\n\nThe unknown people [Secret Service agents?] and Sanchez left at an unknown time before 9:50\nam.","filename":["619-003.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:06:28","tapeEnd":"00:32:10","participantsList":["United States Secret Service agents","Sanchez, Manolo","Ziegler, Ronald L.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"619-002","nextCode":"619-004","transcript":[{"start":41.51,"end":41.79,"text":"I don't get it."},{"start":41.81,"end":42.21,"text":"It isn't the same."},{"start":42.23,"end":42.77,"text":"There's no name here, right?"},{"start":42.79,"end":43.03,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":43.05,"end":43.47,"text":"What do you think?"},{"start":43.49,"end":43.75,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":43.77,"end":44.02,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":71.98,"end":78.85,"text":"You know what she used to do?"},{"start":80.13,"end":85.92,"text":"She used to give wonderful guests away."},{"start":97.55,"end":97.73,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":142.15,"end":142.39,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":142.41,"end":142.65,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":179.06,"end":181.65,"text":"You know, the U.S.S.S."},{"start":181.69,"end":182.42,"text":"is a very nice country."},{"start":347.84,"end":348.22,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":438.48,"end":438.86,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":591.48,"end":612.45,"text":"She went to bed in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car,"},{"start":614.78,"end":622.95,"text":"and as far as what's going on, I don't think I should go over that, but I do want to get some info about it."},{"start":622.97,"end":637.35,"text":"So the king, like all of the children that we've got, the king was one of the best 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know."},{"start":1195.01,"end":1196.21,"text":"She's the only one who can do it to me, so thanks."},{"start":1196.23,"end":1196.43,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":1196.45,"end":1197.59,"text":"Sir, can you give me the electrician's office?"},{"start":1197.61,"end":1206.02,"text":"Do you have an electrician there?"},{"start":1206.04,"end":1207.3,"text":"I'd like to work in the electrician's office."},{"start":1209.61,"end":1211.45,"text":"So, I guess you won't."},{"start":1212.45,"end":1213.21,"text":"Let's go over there."},{"start":1215.82,"end":1220.26,"text":"As the statement was in page 6, the President has promised to hold on us."},{"start":1220.28,"end":1231.24,"text":"May we all have a word of order on the supplies being out here, and as understood, we will be on it."},{"start":1231.27,"end":1235.33,"text":"3296, thank you very much."},{"start":1235.35,"end":1236.39,"text":"Get in the boat, I'm right behind you."},{"start":1241.02,"end":1241.32,"text":"You come 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