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Conversation 619-023

TapeTape 619StartTuesday, November 16, 1971 at 12:22 PMEndTuesday, November 16, 1971 at 12:25 PMTape start time02:23:07Tape end time02:26:48ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Hogue, John H.;  Timmons, William E.;  MacGregor, Clark;  White House photographerRecording deviceOval Office
AI Summary

President Nixon met with John H. Hogue, William E. Timmons, and Clark MacGregor to discuss administrative personnel, specifically Hogue's future role within the Treasury Department, and to conduct a brief photography session. The discussion pivoted to legislative strategy, focusing on the confirmation process for Earl L. Butz and efforts to manage congressional relations. Finally, the group addressed the administration’s political positioning regarding the Vietnam War, particularly the necessity of clearly communicating the President’s stance on prisoners of war to the press and Congress.

Personnel appointmentsCongressional relationsEarl L. ButzVietnam WarPrisoners of War
AudioNARA Description

On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John H. Hogue, William E. Timmons, Clark MacGregor, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:22 pm to 12:25 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 619-023 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 619-23

Date: November 16, 1971
Time: 12:22 pm - 12:25 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with James H. Hogue, William E. Timmons and Clark MacGregor; the White
House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Hogue
         -Future role with administration
              -Treasury Department
                    -John B. Connally

[Photograph session]

     MacGregor

     Departments

     Presentation of gifts by the President

Hogue left at 12:23 pm.

     Earl L. Butz
           -Milton R. Young
                -Jack R. Miller
                -John C. Whitaker's and Tom C. Korologos's efforts
           -Confirmation
                -Clifford M. Hardin
                -Strategy

     Vietnam
          -Congress's possible actions
               -Amendment
               -The President’s recent announcement
               -Politics
               -Prisoners of war [POWs]
               -Press conference
                     -Gerald R. Ford

Timmons and MacGregor left at 12:25 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Mr. President, your poll gives me the chance to go to the Treasury for a half.
It's a good fact.
He's going to have a lot of congressional relations, so we're glad that he's working.
He's worked closely with Emma McGregor.
He's going to love her.
He jumped right into the middle of it.
Very tizzy.
We, of course, have an advocacy.
We've got to get what we're trying to do is to get the departments to do more of this damn work.
They have it all done now.
You do the work.
You do the work.
You do the work.
You do the work.
Well, we're afraid there's no need for that much.
And don't require it.
It's not worth it.
But I ask that we while we're here, one moment.
What is the journey at all?
Oh, yeah.
That's right.
Bill, come here.
What is the situation on this stand?
Do you think we ought to talk about this at all?
Now, there it is.
The actual fire issue.
I don't know if those guys were seeing each other or not.
They might be from a political standpoint, but the bus can't get them to me.
But I think you ought to put him down or something.
I think he will, sir.
Well, it went pretty well, Jack Miller, unfortunately.
I had to turn the bus into a hat for his own reelection.
John Waver and Tom Corlew were there, and they took on the part of Miller's team.
I know.
He certainly did the right thing.
Well, he just, he's a bunch of, he's smart.
God, does he, does he only realize how he bothers people?
Well, he's got it.
Well, he's got it.
You're here to bother him, aren't you?
He's a slob.
Well, that's good.
Well, we're going to have a real battle with the bus.
Yeah.
The perpetrators are hard to get to.
Wouldn't they have any money?
Oh, yes.
Would you agree?
Sure.
Do you all agree that at least one of you should be coming in?
Dr. Hawkins, you know who to take.
That's a little president.
Good job.
Well, with the bus, so if they turn it down, it goes to somebody else.
What are your feelings about the
It doesn't matter.
I have to take a hard line because we've got things going on at the present time.
That's even the one that was read to me is basically just like that to the president.
I can't do it.
I don't even call it this.
I'm out of here.
But if we go that way, we're going to lose it.
No, we're not.
And I don't think they have a straight line.
I don't think they have a straight line.
I don't know that we can control somehow, that some Democrat we can control, rather than offering a substitute.
You know, we've got a hell of a good case to settle.
We've got a hell of a good case.
We're going to go out and war.
We're going to go out and soon as they all know.
But we have to have time to do what we can for them.
And if they can, I can figure any man out.
What is the responsibility, verbatim, on the prisoner side, or anything else, on them?
I don't think you got that across very well.
I mean, Jeremy, if you repeat that to the press conference, after the meeting this morning, they show the press that, Jim.
Right.
All right.
Thank you.
Oh, you fellas are doing a great job.
Aren't you a great club?
That's a great club.
It's a great one.
Okay.
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