{"conversationCode":"619-025","tapeNumber":619,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-619-025","startDateTime":"1971-11-16T17:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-16T17:28:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Nov-1971","startTime":"12:25 PM","endDate":"16-Nov-1971","endTime":"12:28 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Grassmuck, George L.; Butterfield, Alexander P.; White House photographer;","description":"On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, George L. Grassmuck, Alexander P. Butterfield, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:25 pm to 12:28 pm. 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Finch\n\n     Finch\n          -Future\n               -Senate\n\n     Presentation of gifts by the President\n\n     Golf ball\n\n     Grassmuck's daughters\n\nGrassmuck and Butterfield left at 12:28 pm.","filename":["619-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:26:54","tapeEnd":"02:29:40","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Grassmuck, George L.","Butterfield, Alexander P.","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"619-024","nextCode":"619-026","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":22.84,"text":"Well, George, you want to pass me?"},{"start":22.86,"end":23.48,"text":"Yes, sir, if the game is right."},{"start":23.5,"end":23.86,"text":"Come on over here."},{"start":23.88,"end":24.14,"text":"Let's get it."},{"start":24.16,"end":24.79,"text":"You never got a picture before."},{"start":24.8,"end":24.91,"text":"Here."},{"start":24.93,"end":25.55,"text":"Now, let's look out and get it."},{"start":25.57,"end":27.07,"text":"Well, I must say, going back to the 60s, and Luter, and that kind of thing,"},{"start":27.28,"end":38.16,"text":"All the years since then and now, I think one of the best times I've had was when he cracked his ribs."},{"start":38.18,"end":39.42,"text":"But he had three fractures in his arm."},{"start":39.44,"end":39.7,"text":"Oh, boy, yes."},{"start":39.72,"end":40.06,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":40.55,"end":48.96,"text":"I remember that was a murderous time."},{"start":49.6,"end":50.77,"text":"Well, I must say, you really got called down on us."},{"start":50.79,"end":53.29,"text":"I was out of my house."},{"start":54.81,"end":55.09,"text":"I almost died."},{"start":55.12,"end":56.16,"text":"I can't hold it."},{"start":56.18,"end":58.88,"text":"But you were sitting in my chair and you carried on for another hour with me."},{"start":58.9,"end":59.22,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":59.24,"end":60.24,"text":"I never had a student do anything like that again."},{"start":61.15,"end":66.54,"text":"Well, you've just been a Taurus friend."},{"start":66.68,"end":68.01,"text":"You've been a great help to Bob."},{"start":68.63,"end":72.07,"text":"He's just got it."},{"start":72.09,"end":76.54,"text":"He belongs inside."},{"start":76.56,"end":78.69,"text":"That's his..."},{"start":78.67,"end":94.94,"text":"That's his father."},{"start":94.96,"end":95.44,"text":"He's still a strong man."},{"start":95.46,"end":95.92,"text":"He's around the corner."},{"start":95.94,"end":97.24,"text":"He's got to get through after this year and he can start running."},{"start":97.26,"end":97.8,"text":"He must not lose this year."},{"start":97.82,"end":98.26,"text":"That's the main thing."},{"start":98.28,"end":98.72,"text":"Next year, he's ready."},{"start":98.75,"end":99.11,"text":"Right at this age."},{"start":99.12,"end":99.55,"text":"He's a health center."},{"start":100.07,"end":118.51,"text":"Well, I do remember that night you gave me the oldest one."},{"start":118.53,"end":119.47,"text":"I don't know if you want to draw a ball for me."},{"start":119.49,"end":119.97,"text":"Have you got an old one?"},{"start":119.99,"end":120.33,"text":"No, I never have."},{"start":120.35,"end":120.89,"text":"It's just gold, by the way."},{"start":123.71,"end":149.58,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":149.6,"end":150,"text":"What about children?"},{"start":158.06,"end":161.1,"text":"All right, I'll get it."},{"start":161.12,"end":161.65,"text":"I'll be on the same track."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with George L. Grassmuck and Alexander P. Butterfield for a brief, informal session that included a photo opportunity and the presentation of gifts. The discussion touched upon personal history, including past campaign experiences and health-related anecdotes from Nixon's time as Vice President. Additionally, the President briefly discussed the political future of Robert H. Finch, emphasizing the importance of his current work before pursuing a potential Senate bid.","topics":["Robert H. 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