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Start Date: 17-Nov-1971 10:18 AM

End Date: 17-Nov-1971 10:42 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:30:40

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:55:03

620a.mp3

620b.mp3

620c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:18 am to 10:42 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 620-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 620-8

Date: November 17, 1971
Time: 10:18 am - 10:42 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

     Ellsworth F. Bunker
          -Cable

     Ronald W. Reagan
         -Conversation with Kissinger
               -Conservatives
               -Liberals
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 620-8 (cont.)


-Popularity
     -Polls
-Conversation with Kissinger
     -The President's schedule
           -Conservative groups
                 -Dinners
     -International situation
           -Jordan
           -Cienfuegos
           -Cambodia
           -Laos
           -Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicles [MIRV]
           -Anti-ballistic Missiles [ABM]
           -Amchitka
           -Defense budget
           -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
           -United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan, Republic of China
     -State Department
-Personal style
-Conversation with Kissinger
     -Foreign policy
     -Domestic policy
           -Liberals
           -John N. Mitchell
           -Robert H. Finch
           -Peter M. Flanigan's brother
                 -Patronage
           -Welfare
                 -John G. Veneman
                 -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
                 -Deal with Nelson A. Rockefeller
           -Bureaucracy
                 -Senate, press
     -Foreign policy
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 620-8 (cont.)


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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         -Possible presidency
              -1968 campaign
                    -Rockefeller
         -Conversation with Kissinger, November 17, 1971
              -William P. Rogers
                    -Tenure in office

    The President's foreign policy
         -Public perceptions
              -Rogers
                     -Middle East
              -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                     -Kissinger and the President
              -Melvin R. Laird

    Reagan
        -Forthcoming meeting with the President
        -Possible role with administration
              -Ambassadorship
                    -Timing
              -Cabinet
        -Political future
              -US Senate
                    -Finch

    Senate
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 620-8 (cont.)



The President's conversation with Connally
     -The President's possible appearance at American Federation of Labor-Congress of
           Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO] convention
     -International economy
           -Forthcoming meeting
                 -Kissinger
                 -George P. Shultz
           -Peter G. Peterson
                 -Lunch with Pierre-Paul Schweitzer
                 -John D. Ehrlichman and Shultz
                 -Possible position
                       -Secretary of Commerce

Flanigan
     -Possible role with administration
          -Richard V. (“Dick”) Allen
          -Anthony J. Jurich
                -Mitchell's view
                -Allen
          -Kissinger

Hoyt Ammidon and Walter N. Thayer
     -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] ambassador
          -Senate
          -Rogers
     -Flanigan's work
     -Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
          -State Department
     -David M. Kennedy
          -Forthcoming conversation with Kissinger

David Packard
     -Possible role with Administration
          -Ambassadorships
                -Japan
                -NATO
          -Wife, Lucile S. Packard
                -Views

William W. Scranton
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 620-8 (cont.)


       -Possible role with Administration
            -Ambassadorship
                  -NATO

Packard

Kennedy

Kissinger's schedule
     -New York
     -Cincinnati
     -Hedley W. Donovan's group
           -Clark MacGregor and Ehrlichman

Time
       -Cover

Kennedy
    -Forthcoming conversation with Kissinger
         -Scranton and Stoessel
         -Connally

The President's schedule
     -Miami

Kissinger's schedule
     -Robert A. Taft, Jr. reception
     -Miami

Reagan
    -Foreign policy
    -Conversation with Kissinger
         -Bureaucracy
               -Leaks

Kennedy
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 620-8 (cont.)


William S. Renchard
     -Chemical Bank
     -Possible role with Administration
           -Ambassadorship
                -Japan

Packard

Kennedy
    -Forthcoming conversation with Kissinger
    -Wife, Lenora (Bingham) Kennedy
         -Brussels
    -National Security Council [NSC] meetings
         -NATO
    -Cabinet

Vietnam
     -Negotiations
          -Nguyen Van Thieu's views
                -Bunker
                -North Vietnam
                      -Morale
                      -PRC
                            -United Nations [UN]
          -Possible message to North Vietnam
                -Proposals
                      -Dates
                -Le Duc Tho
                      -Health
                -Xuan Thuy
          -Forthcoming meeting in Paris
                -Instructions for William J. Porter
          -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Rogers
                -Laird
                -Le Duc Tho
                -Porter
     -Possible bombing
          -Thomas H. Moorer
          -Duration
     -Negotiations
          -Le Duc Tho
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                              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 620-8 (cont.)


               -Congress actions
                    -Continuing resolution
                         -Duration
                         -Impact
           -Bombing
               -Cornell University study
               -Timing
               -Duration

     PRC and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]

     PRC
           -Kissinger's message
                -Response
                      -Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters

Kissinger left at 10:42 am.