Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 621 › Conversation 621-008

Nixon & Butterfield on Legislative strategy and Veto power

Thursday, November 18, 1971 · 6:01 PM–6:04 PM ET · Oval Office · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]; Butterfield, Alexander P.Conversation621-008 on Tape 621 (tape position 00:09:33–00:11:36)StartThursday, November 18, 1971 at 6:01 PMEndThursday, November 18, 1971 at 6:04 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 621-008 ↗

President Nixon met with Alexander P. Butterfield to coordinate the presidential schedule and review pending legislative matters. The discussion centered on a memorandum from Clark MacGregor regarding key senators—James O. Eastland, John C. Stennis, and Russell B. Long—and evaluated the potential for a presidential veto. Additionally, the President addressed strategic communications involving Charles W. Colson and John B. Connally.

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On November 18, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 6:01 pm to 6:04 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 621-008 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 621-8

Date: November 18, 1971
Time: 6:01 pm - 6:04 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with an unknown person.

     [Unintelligible]

The unknown person left and Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 6:01 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Old Executive Office Building [EOB]

     Pending legislation
          -Note from Clark MacGregor
               -James O. Eastland
               -John C. Stennis
               -Russell B. Long
          -Possible veto
          -Charles W. Colson's conversation with John B. Connally

The President and Butterfield left at 6:04 pm.

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Yeah, I mean, it's very dangerous.
I'm gonna touch him.
He's a very good man.
He's not a small man, is he?
No, sir.
He can't do anything.
There's things that he can't do.
No, sir.
I mean, he's got a pulse.
I would say he does, too.
I'm gonna need those barrels.
Well, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said,
Frustrated.
They usually think that we should not be threatened.
Well, that's the point.
They don't want me to tell them wrong, and I beat them.
That's why I can't do that.
But I am threatened.
I just can't do it.
And also, it's the goddamn gun.
That's it.
They cancel that.
It won't work.
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Conversation 621-008, November 18, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/621-008 (accessed November 15, 2026).