{"conversationCode":"623-008","tapeNumber":623,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-623-008","startDateTime":"1971-11-23T17:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-23T18:13:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Nov-1971","startTime":"12:34 PM","endDate":"23-Nov-1971","endTime":"1:13 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On November 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:34 pm and 1:13 pm. 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Wylie\n\n     The President's previous conversation with William E. Brock, III\n          -Tax bill\n               -Possible veto\n               -The President's meeting with Hugh Scott and Robert P. Griffin\n               -Tax check-off provision\n                      -Financing of political campaigns\n                      -Taxpayers\n          -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO]\n               -The President’s speech at convention\n               -George Meany\n\n     The President's previous conversation with Chalmers P. Wylie\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n            -Chalmers P. Wylie's schedule\n                 -Boy Scouts\n                      -Merit badges\n                 -The President as National Honorary Chairman\n            -George Meany\n                 -John B. Connally's comments\n\n     The President's previous conversation with Betty (Koplow) Kaplow\n          -Herbert E. Kaplow\n          -Death of Betty (Koplow) Kaplow’s father\n               -Herbert E. Kaplow\n          -Betty (Koplow) Kaplow’s schedule\n               -The President's schedule\n                      -California trip\n                            -Departure around November 24-25, 1972\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["623-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:10:39","tapeEnd":"03:20:18","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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Brock, III, Chalmers P. Wylie, and Betty Kaplow. The discussions focused on potential veto strategies regarding a tax bill, the political implications of the tax check-off provision for campaign financing, and reflections on the President’s recent address to the AFL-CIO. 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