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On the Chinese, they couldn't have been more cordial.

They break your heart because I'm convinced now they didn't want to get in this year.

They are so unprepared that it's really pathetic.

Yes.

And that was my impression from Joe.

I think another week or two they will have thrown the vote for this year.

I mean, it was really amazing.

They had a whole list of issues on which they asked for advice how to conduct themselves, what we were going to do.

Middle East, they didn't want to get involved.

They didn't want to embarrass us.

On Pakistan, their problem, they said if it comes to the Security Council, they'll take a very tough line, like the one they've taken publicly.

and they say it's Indian aggression interference and internal affairs.

On the other hand, they have no instructions on any particular resolution.

And frankly, I don't think they know how to work this machinery.

I asked them, for example, how to handle it if there are two resolutions and we want to adjust a word here and there.

They just say they're not used to working that way.

So what they will do

In the debate, they will be very tough on the resolution.

They will not introduce a resolution of their own, it seems, but they are not sure even about that.

They have no instructions.

But they said it's Indian aggression, and they would appreciate any moral and political support they can give Pakistan.

That's all they said.

The idea was to have him on the next advance, and I thought they should meet him.

What about today, sir?

I'm having a WASAC meeting right now, and I can tell you after that, Mr. President, how bureaucratic the situation is.

I think if there's a massive attack by India that continues...

We have threatened so often with cutting off the aid if we don't do something.

I thank you.

Once it all does start, something will be done early in the process rather than late.

Before it's a fatal complaint.

But I don't know, I haven't seen the intelligence report yet as to whether

How deep the penetrations are.

Air crashes, of course.

Aggressions.

We've just got more than 120 seconds.

That's right.

Also, of course, our intelligence doesn't want to find anything.

Because if they find something, they'll have to do something.

Well...

It's like the Middle East.

They don't want to do anything.

I see the Senate is taking care of it.

It's really nothing for us to see if this is minor or not.

Well, we don't have to spend it.

We had the same amount last year.

What I mean is that we have to include the giver in all this money.

I see.

Well, I'm not sure I'd give her the chance, Mr. President, unless we get some understanding of where we're going to go.

We had 500 million last year, but it expanded.

I'm not sure it was Rodgers and all of that's why, because he, on the one hand, had said that the Soviet were showing restraint in the Middle East, and the Russian plane showed up in the back, and other things, and he had the ship.

You can't fake this thing.

If the atolls inside are falling 100 degrees, you know, and I'm not, and I'll, I'll brief her, give her the right to comment, but they are falling, but it's not a big thing.

You can't fool anybody about it.

I've sent you a memo.

They've put in 125 mix.

They have an order for 100, for 100 mix 21s next year.

Uh, there's no doubt that this is...

I noticed you got layered a lot through 1215 as well as a lot as... No, I didn't want to...

I got a message from your office that Laird was to come.

I was completely baffled, and I invited him.

For Christ's sakes.

I didn't mention that.

Laird?

Well, I was astonished.

Jesus Christ, no.

I had dropped his old set.

I had no interest.

Laird, what?

Hey, I just saw Laird, too.

I see.

I can't believe Bob got us here.

I thought you'd put him on.

I looked in here and I said, what the hell?

I thought maybe you'd talk to him later on.

No, I talked to Rogers, and Rogers was...

I thought you had decided to bring him in.

I called in at 9 to see whether there were any messages.

And I was told that your office had called to...

I don't know what the hell we think.

One problem we have is the coming off.

You know, I've thought about this one thing, and I can see is that it then puts us in a position of determining who the aggressor is.

That is not true of any military.

Of course, it's a big issue.

You see, we've already cut that off in Pakistan, but if you cut it off to one and not to the other, that's it.

Bob, there seems to be some confusion.

I, uh, he says that he got a call last night from me saying that I was on a layer at this meeting with Rogers to this.

Well, who in the hell saw Blair then?

He says he didn't have a hundred innings.

Who called?

I'll have to check my office.

I... Called you?

Yeah.

Called... My office was called by Bull or somebody.

The president's office, I was told, that Blair... And then that you wanted to have lunch with Conley and Chilton, me, as well.

That's right.

I mean, it was in all this time she had been around.

Okay.

The point is that with Robert's home.

There's something to be a little confused in here.

Maybe, you know, say that Robert used a lair at 1215.

There's some, well, I hope he hasn't been called.

He hasn't been called.

As soon as we get the blue card in.

What happened there?

Because nobody wants a lair in there anyway.

I don't know.

I'll have to turn it back.

I don't know.

Because what does it make a difference?

Somebody has to do it.

I'm trying to.

Let's get it on track.

Let me ask you.

Why don't you look at it?

It's not there.

No, but I kind of want him to notify my office, which then will call Pursley and the whole machinery will start.

Why don't you select, okay, you want your office to call there?

No, no, I think my office should now stay out of it.

Yeah, let Steve call there, simply say.

It was a mistake.

Say that there's no need for him to come.

You just say that's about it.

You don't just say it's about it.

You just say that that would mean that the appointment for a pager is all up.

That's big time.

Secretary doesn't need to plan a pager.

Yeah, he doesn't need to plan a pager.

Because I had it as Henry and Rocky.

That's what I thought.

It doesn't mean it was already set.

It was set for 12.

We moved it to 12-15.

That's all we had.

Well, then I can't.

And having told the whole staff that the event of war began broke out here in the Indians' department, we would have to, we would just count ourselves out.

And I used that term earlier.

And also she had been told that too.

They told the ambassador that we cannot now sit back and do nothing.

Now, I don't know what their own story is, but you don't have anything to run around in there or any questions.

Well, it's a clear case of aggression.

I mean, we can make a policy determination that we don't want to get involved.

All right, we cut off aid to Pakistan.

But we shouldn't fake it.

The whole point is we cut off aid to Pakistan at a time because of an internal problem.

Now, here's a question of an external aggression.

That's a much stronger case of cutting off aid.

And the second, to me, the biggest thing is, which you may not mention, or wish to mention is,

If the friend of the United States and China and the subcontinent gets raped without any assistance by the Soviet Union and India, this is going to have a major general impact.

And also on our relations with the Chinese, whose only real interest in us is to give themselves some maneuver and prove visually their enemies.

They had very little say, apparently, in the meeting.

No, no, they had a hell of a lot to say.

They have two problems.

They have a lot to say on substance.

But they are totally pampered by the U.N.

They don't know how to handle the machinery.

Yes, well, in any event...

So what they said was they will give tough speeches, but then I said, how do we handle resolutions?

And how do we do that?

They said, well, they had no experience in this at all, and they're reading up on it, and they don't know how to do that.

So they shouldn't commit themselves there.

No, I'll handle this.

They don't de-raise that.

You understand?

They de-raise that.

I'll put this on a colder decomposition.

Bill says it won't do any good, but...

I can't believe it doesn't do any good.

It's not a principle.

But it's a question of also how one generally captures oneself.

And I'm not saying we have to do it today.

In fact, I'm going to get the reports now from them, too.

But the Chinese, me and Henry Wood, that can only be for six years.

11 o'clock we're going to meet the others.

Actually, he's set up over here.

Now, the question, if we want to do anything on South America, turn off today with Rod Hughes.

Yes, sir.

Call in.

Call in before he gets over here and just say, I believe you're working on a thing, and I just can't.

And that because of the late...

I just put it on the basis that because of the...

I can't take offense at that time.

Just put it in the category.

Okay.

But it would be very, very helpful in his sentence.

Do you want to suggest any alternative?

No.

In fact, no.

Well, yes.

Yes, of course.

Maybe that I think he could either take a trip or have a board meeting.

to that sort of an idea, but I cannot, I just can't justify taking it.

And then if he presses it at all, you can say, well, we don't want to get into, into jumping in frame.

See what I mean?

Like if we look over and I just can't take all five days, and that's like the, so many domestic messes.

The ORC guy did a hell of a good job.

They asked, they got to him and said, what is your taste?

And he said, it was one of a continuing series of private polls that we take for management personnel and union leaders.

Because they do some polling for union leaders.

So he just said, we do a continuing series for management and union.

This might have been a union leader's poll.

And it was not commissioned by any client wanting to be identified.

did say it was not ordered by any of your public, we don't say, we don't have any attachment, but he has not been a client for three years.

We haven't played a hoot-hoot with you, Mr. O'Brien.

We don't look at the national media.

No, we have a, I forget how we do it, but we've got a, so it's a private, it's a private, so they, they are able to say, he says, Republican National Media has not been a client for three years.

Very good job.

We kind of should put, uh...

It was his understanding that you wanted, at the 4.30 meeting, if you weren't going to have today, you were going to have to go back in and play the game again.

You're just going to be in it.

Me at the luncheon?

No, he's not.

You want to see his tail?

Yes, that's the purpose of the goddamn thing.

Is that marker there so everybody understands?

Sure.

Okay.

And the whole, I'm just transferring the 4.30 thing to the luncheon time, okay?

I didn't have a list for the 4.30 thing, so I didn't know those things.

Okay, it's Burns, Cotney, Shelton, and Kissinger.

That's right.

I'll work out the drill.

Right.

I'm fencing Schultz off a little in this because I've got to have comedy.

Call the signal.

Schultz has different shows with this.

And that's about as much recognition as I've got.

I'm going to have him at the meeting, you understand.

I'm cutting off Peterson completely.

He's not going to be there.

That trip is cut off.

I'm going to be sure of that.

I've got to be sure from Henry that the Peterson trip is cut off.

I checked with Schultz this morning and Henry did not have Schultz in a meeting cutting it off.

That's what I would have thought of.

Jesus Christ, I guess maybe Schultz hasn't told her.

No, the way you left it was that Henry was to call Schultz and Peterson in, and Henry was to tell them.

I've not been able to get to Henry.

I got to Schultz.

Schultz said he had not been called in.

One thing, would you have the early plane go out then, you know, the staff plane go out at about an hour earlier?

They're going out at 3 o'clock, because they're going to want it.

They were going to.

So when we last started training, we were going to move them to 1.

But when we moved your plane to 3, we moved the other plane to 1.

I'm thinking that we may have to return here Sunday night just for the Senate proposition.

Sorry.

Where did the brother come from?

I haven't been able to reach him yet.

I've got to call him.

I'll turn it off.

And we're leaving at three.

I'd be quite candid with him and tell him first we're all

We're all butchered up because we don't know what the hell the Senate and the House is going to be, and I've got to be here for that stuff.

And I don't want to be dragging down to Latin America just before the China trip.

The second thing is that we've got these other three trips, and it'll look like we're overruling it, in my opinion.

I just feel that the tension has gone down.

that if he would like to consider going down to a few key countries himself, that would be fine.

He doesn't want to.

But I'll raise it.

He's afraid to.

He hasn't been to Latin America.

He hasn't been to Latin America once, and he's afraid he'll get a hospital reception.

He hasn't gone to any country or something.

He's afraid to go to Vietnam.

He told me that.

He said it's good for the President to go because I can't go now.

He hasn't been in Latin America.

He said you can go into one country and assemble them.

He'd have to go to each country at that time.

That isn't right.

He could have a foreign minister's meeting.

If I had not had to stay, you couldn't be in Tennessee.

You can go to one country and leave it for us.

Now that's getting disheartening.

Do we have to talk with you, sir?

No, because I couldn't get to Schultz until yesterday afternoon, but I'll handle it.

Schultz thinks it's better if I do it.

No.

He's going to be a son of a bitch, you know what I mean?

I'll just tell him.

Yeah.

Here's a comment.

Look, we're announcing the French trip, the other trip, the other trip, and any travel abroad now is just too sensitive a situation for anybody abroad in this period.

Period.

That way it can be done.

I'm kidding.

I must say, Schultz brought it in.

He even had his face in the trouble of being in talks all the time.

He said, I'm listening.

But my God, Schultz was surprised.

He was shocked.

I mean, you're sure he didn't discuss it with you before.

Absolutely positive, Mr. President.

I was astonished.

I wouldn't have worried.

I was totally stunned.

I wouldn't have worried about anybody.

He's not naive to think.

He's gonna spend two and a half weeks out there

In order to convince them of America's interest in democracy and all that, I said, Rob, I said, we need you to come out and say something.

He said, well, I want to do it right.

I've got it, man.

For the Secretary of the Treasury to spend two and a half weeks talking to 40,000 people ain't right.

Am I correct?

Yeah, I said it once.

I kind of printed it in a book.

I said, who gives a damn about $60,000?

That's the people sending it.

Well, try it again, sir.

I'll write it down.

If he does, it's probably why he's doing the necessary business again.

You'll pardon me now.

Please stand to reason.

He's implying that my district is better than Congressman Mr. Romero.

Yeah, the congressman has a lot more than $60,000 to be paid off, but they go to every single district.

I forgot.

Anyway, knock it off.

I thought you'd be in the news.

My attitude is this regarding India-Pakistan over here in the meeting, and I just feel strongly that the United States cannot stand by and have an aggression occur, and do nothing.

And they say, well, they won't have any time coming in, so don't anything.

What the hell, what do we do?

Just continue to borrow money, a billion dollars a year to those goddamn bastards?

And it isn't clear yet that it doesn't help one in the long run, no.

that Indians will only hurt us.

That's all they've ever done.

And I know Roger says he agrees with that, but that is not what the State Department thinks.

They're stomping around the Indians, and we've got nothing out of it.

I don't believe the Indian men are out here.

That's all there is to it.

They were told.

Packard agrees with this, doesn't he?

I think so.

I'm not sure.

I think that he certainly doesn't agree.

More to the State Department.

More to the police.

And...

But I guess that Chinese know I've been trying to take it out because you might just want to take a look at it.

What?

That Chinese know.

To us on that subject, let's say that again.

That works.

When he was national chairman, he spent three weeks in Europe.

That was really more logical than two weeks in Japan.

I understand.

I appreciate you coming back, Senator.

Yeah.

You see what I mean?

I just don't like the idea of a last leave that's not considered.

This is not your last week here.

The fourth?

Yeah.

There's no possibility of that.

He said Hugh did leave you with that impression that he talked to you afterwards.

There is no chance of an adjournment before the 10th.

And it's very unlikely that they'll go then.

Keep practicing, Senator.

They'll probably have to go into that week.

But he says there isn't even a remote possibility of going next week.

OK. That's what Mike and Liz are talking about.

As they're talking about it, they have no thought of doing.

You know, it was supposed to be just a career.

This is ridiculous.

You know, when we go outside, 8,000 cups run a hole up here.

Look at the length of the water cup here.

Incidentally, I just noted one thing that I do think we need a little work on now.

Did you notice that University of New Hampshire poll in the new summary this morning?

It was showing McGovern out of 1,500, he has 700 and 400.

And then down to 45 and so forth.

Now somebody

Okay, I'll check that out.

I'll look at business.

So we all go around this much.

I know, but the hard guys are going to step out into that direction.

We've got people that are going to go around the pole.

We can certainly get them around the pole.

That's incredible.

I don't believe that.

I don't believe it at all.

I don't believe a whole poll.

I think that you have two people with organizations up there.

They're working on it.

They're running campaigns.

This is even a high school poll, so you're better than that.

It's impossible.

But I don't have much confidence in our youth people.

I think that, I don't know who it is, but that high school folk, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, the high school children, the high school children, high school, that's the wrong bunch.

That ain't our people.

But we did learn.

We did learn.

Yeah.

What the hell?

It's an internal spasm.

The trouble is that I have to go out and say, I'm sorry to leave.

I'm sorry to leave.

It's not a lot of work.

I'm standing up there and they say the stock market's down.

I don't want to bullshit out.

We ought to just throw them, crack them in at the dinner, or crack them to be at that dinner.

I don't know.

We've got to do it sometime.

Well, but whatever you do, especially if you get standing, if it stands for a long time, you've got to pull them all together.

We may come back.

We may come back on Sunday.

And we'll have a little bit of time here.

We'll be all right.

Thanks a lot, Herb.

Well, the thing I want to say first is that you should be gratified that, uh, that we, of course, are technically satisfied with your unanimous choice, uh, to be a colleague.

I talked to him last night, and I told him earlier that you were in consideration for him, and I asked him for his name.

It's George Shultz.

Now, if you were in college first choice, George is fifth choice.

And, uh...

I like the idea for several reasons.

One, I think it's essential at this point to the appearance of accountability.

I mean, we're going to be by her for a long time.

The second point is that I feel that you can be very effective as a spokesperson.

Marshall, Paul, no reflection on him, but he's not a superstar.

The third thing is, and this I can't assess too strongly, we need her more of a stronger buffer against Arthur of the council.

I don't mean Arthur's wrong all the time, but he's right all the time.

And Paul says in his meetings, Paul is very nice and deferential.

I want you to be the meanest son of a bitch.

I want you to step in there.

because we've got to keep the heat on him.

He's followed us now, gotten on that mountaintop, thanks to his great contribution in life.

What do you remember for next year's saving the dollar?

An hell of an economy.

But we ought to let that happen, because we can do both.

So that's it.

Well, you can hear me now.

I'll do my best in that respect.

I would have thought that George was mean enough for several, but I do want to say, of course, I'm terribly honored that you've seen me around here for some time.

You know I'm no magician.

And one of the most encouraging things you ever said was that you realize that economics is not an exact sign.

I do want to assure you that I'm utterly devoted to your program and to you and to you because you have treated me with unfailing consideration.

And I'm greatly impressed with that.

I appreciate that.

But the real thing here, we've got to make this work.

We've got to be as responsible as we can.

We've got to make it work.

I also think it's very important here that you work very closely with George Conway as a jurist.

Conway is a man you can work with if there's any question about it, but you must constantly take the, take the, as George does, I'm sure, constantly, you have got to take the client.

I just want to tell you it's kind of a good jurist in my mind.

He's in this chapter of the Council of the Council of Professors.

And I just asked him if he's mean enough to handle birds.

And he says, maybe.

But I didn't ask the birds yet.

Another thing is this.

Another thing while Henry's here for a moment.

Let me say that in this international, I want you to bring her into the blue group, you know.

All right.

Because Herbert, you track very well when you're on this thing.

You sort of look at us all the time.

You'll find out.

Okay, no.

No, I don't mean to say that.

We have a public-centered actual thing.

In addition to the usual kind of setups, quadriads, and so forth, I set up an ad hoc group, which is a review group, and

You could go to Henry Connolly Schultz, and you would be beating him.

But nobody ever knows you, you can understand, right?

Because if it rates, holy hell, it's hard for Peterson and a hell of a lot of other people.

But the reason for grabbing Henry is that we've got to get the political situation on these things.

You know, the political factor sometimes may be a hell of a lot more important than any domestic talent, but more political than whether we get the end goes on the top five.

See, if that does not, that's something the council can think of so you can have her on that group.

I'll bring her up to date on what we've been doing.

The main thing, too, is the other thing is that I think we have to, without being a bit pollinative, we have to be very aggressive and confident with regard to our policies.

I mean, I think they're going to work if they don't.

That's the fact.

the way they are going to work, but they are working.

They're not working as well or as fast as we thought, but to say that the economy isn't expanding or hasn't been expanding, or some inflation hasn't been, the rate of inflation has increased.

The rate of inflation has increased.

We've done some dramatic things to make it happen.

And most things were, you know, the economy has been going up and not enough, but nevertheless it's going up.

But the question is always ironic for me to pick up the papers and read these reasons that people have acted in this government.

Here we got it.

Well, one day it's because we're afraid we're not tough enough on labor.

Today they're all concerned because the administration's relations with labor aren't very good.

Well, I think it's all a great irony that these businessmen who are the greatest naggers for this policy are now awash with uncertainty and fear about it once we've given it to them.

And I think it's a kind of lesson about not being too swayed by concerns about what they call their confidence.

I wonder if your business is willing to have a session with some... World Affairs Council.

World Affairs Council, yes.

And the...

It is a good group.

Of course, it's heavily DuPont group, but it's a good group.

And I found them very...

relaxed and satisfied about what was going on here and one of the people at the head table specifically said to me that he felt that wilmington they do not share the new york bitters about the economy they feel much more confident about things and i found the whole atmosphere there very encouraging they are you know they have they have put their lawyers to work to find out what all this phase two means for them but that's what every business is going to do that's what lawyers are for and they will discover what

And then they were going ahead doing that.

This is God talking about looking at, looking at things, too.

Now, the thing that I've come through all the way this way, I'm not sure.

We're not.

We're afraid to be the first word in this event.

to be higher or lower.

And the entry's going to be lower.

Has to be.

You can't be doing it.

It's going to cut it down for a while.

And so these bastards ought to be reflecting that.

But you can't say that they're looking for perfection.

We have perfectionists that have .

When the phase two plan was drawn up, I think we all realized that we were trying to go through a period of some bulge, and that we might have to come back into this picture and screw things down a little tighter, and that the way the thing was set up, we, the government, retained the option to do this so that we still have some things left to do.

I'm not sure that we'll see how we're going to be any tighter than that.

I have a lot more concern about expansion.

In that connection, could I have just a little different thing?

We have had, well, we've been able during the period of the strike to keep some courts open.

Although our ability to do that seems to have faded quite a lot.

We thought there might be a settlement, but last night that blew up.

And by this time, we think we have at least a stronger Tad Parker case than we've had before.

So I think with the extent of what's happened, we might move on to Tad Parker.

We're all set to do that.

All right, I've got an announcement.

Let's get going.

All right, good.

All right.

With regard to this announcement, I want to handle it in a relatively low key way.

I think you can tell.

Paul is aware of the fact he has to go last morning.

Fine.

And I think the way you can do it, Ron, you should just...

I don't know, how do you feel?

Did you just announce, should Herb be with you, or should he be there or not be there?

It's my understanding you have a statement or something.

Yeah, but, uh, well, Herb is, Herb and I will work together.

Why don't you and Herb, we're not Herb, Amy and Lynn will get to work together.

We're going to have to cover Paul.

Right.

Don't worry about Paul.

That's the statement.

About this, you know, I thought we might accompany it with,

some nice comments about Paul and all the afters from me and from Allie and from various people.

We'll have to get to the end.

You can if you can get that.

And I'm glad I got there as well.

But you want to make it look like a smooth transition, not a... Yeah.

Well, that's what we talked about.

We talked about that before.

Basically, the practice as planned is returned.

And that Dr. Stein is to succeed him to...

work it out that way.

Now, what do we do, though?

What do we plan to have?

Do you want him out there with you, Ron, or do you just want to read the statement?

I think it would be worthwhile for McCracken and Steinbeck both to be there because it would make it a smoother, more natural.

McCracken makes a little statement.

We're going to have enough this morning because of the announcements we have about Hartley that will make the whole thing flow.

Well, I bring in 10 and again 11

So we'll do the announcement at 11 o'clock.

OK.

If you'd be ready at 11 o'clock, we'll do it, and then have Paul say something.

No, but we'll work out something.

And I will say, as you asked me to make these remarks, no preface.

What?

I don't think we want to have a preface.

No, no, no preface.

And we have a brief statement.

Now, if you just have other questions, then you go on to your other reading.

If you go to the questions and say, what do you think about this and that and the other things, well, we'd be doing the test early at 11 then.

And, you know, Tom, if you can get it ready as we get it through Seattle, we'll put it slowly.

We'll shut it till 11.30 if necessary.

Oh, the whole thing, 11.30, we need it for the time.

All right, that'll get it done.

And we'll go on.

Okay, all right.

Still looking out of your right eye.

Yeah, I guess that's all right.

Now that we've looked at it, we've got a right eye.

We've got a half eye.

Half eye.

You can see more with one eye than most people can see with two.

The code here has concluded that at least half the things he reads are worth reading.

That's right.

The main reason Ron put him in the job is he's a nut cutter.

When you need somebody to get out there and say something mean about somebody else, get a sign.

If you want somebody to say something nice, get a show.

I don't know how long you've been speaking for a whole week.

Okay, good luck.

We expect more work from your wife.

The result is a promotion.

We're going in.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, I understand.

That's the way it is.

Yes, we're going to indicate to Secretary Rogers that the commonwealth company manager will lead the question before they talk about any of that.

Yeah, but also all of us are going to be on some day with regard to the president's trip.

Yes, sir.

All of us.

That's true.

Small working staff.

No, no, no.

I'm just going to see if I can talk to him.

This is a full range of American friend relations, and in particular emphasis on the consultation with our friends before, you know, with our allies before meeting.

Thank you.

Well, he's got a little scene.

He's got a sense of humor.

He's got a...

He really is an easier guy to track than most.

Crackton is a very sticky guy because he always has that itchiness.

All the time.

So it's not...

The other guy is trying to please me.

My practice is totally horrible.

It's fine.

It's just I'm loyal.

That was...

I don't think he was really...

Very?

But it's all...

Well, that's a hell of a thing.

It's a great thing, a top thing for an economist mom to be looking after the council.

But some Jewish boys are going off on the West Side.

Yeah, but some people sort of, like, you know, Arthur, I don't think it moved him a bit to make the chairman of the Fed.

He thought, you know, all you were doing was carrying out your obligation, your duty to the world at the moment.

So conceited.

Where Herb, I think, was genuinely, I think he's very moved by it, really moved.

Which he should be, but it's nice that he knows it now.

I always saw the paper.

It's very well that seemed to me that they've got a very good game.

Now they've got a minor error.

It makes no difference except the will of the sportsman.

It talks about the defensive line.

He put major effort on the defensive line.

Oh, I see.

I know, but then he missed.

But you've got good TV coverage, which is kind of interesting.

It shows you, you know, you never show the people what you mean.

You show me how they're talking.

Well, one thing it shows is somebody did a great picture.

It was a great picture, but I'm so sorry to do that.

We tend too much, when we want something on TV, to go as late in the day as we can, and we don't get as much.

They make up those damn shows, and when they have to insert something, we don't get as good coverage.

It's a nice, warm story, and I want to be sure that we follow up with it.

It is a good national story.

That's right.

It really is a good national story.

It moved.

It's a very good, big national story.

There was a long thing on radio.

of the network radio news with you.

The whole discussion about baseball being different.

It just came out very well.

Well, how are you?

Good to see you.

How are you?

Good to see you.

Hi, how are you?

All right.

Well, sit down, sit down.

I want to be sure to welcome you all over here to Tom.

Thank you.

It's got all of these very public backgrounds.

And the dog was also up there.

Go ahead.

Four years.

That's the one that's going to run that next boat.

There's Todd.

Thank you very much.

He doesn't have the same kind of structure.

But that's how it is.

That's what she said.

Well, the convention is going to be

Well, maybe a lot of help.

He's been meeting with John Dean and I. I think we can go for it.

But I think that we can...

I really think that this will be an opportunity for San Diego to get unbelievably good publicity.

See, Miami, where I love to go in the wintertime, it will be miserable about the time those guys are there in the air-conditioned rooms and so forth and so on.

Can also...

Basically, Miami Beach is just a Jewish city, you know what I mean?

So it's not like it isn't one where you've got the feeling of all of America that you get in a place like San Diego, which is more across the pond.

There's a press contrast that they'll pick up between those two cities coming from Miami and out.

That whole press corps coming out to drive to San Diego is going to do San Diego more than anything.

The only thing I hope to do is that in Miami, they stay on the line.

I mean, those hotels are awesome.

They're beautiful hotels.

It's just terrible.

But if you could get the hotel people to get a fellow like our host, that's impressive.

Now, go out now.

You're going to be on the whole country.

Where else can I see you?

Charter now.

But don't steal.

I mean, that's a good point.

Have you talked to Bill Timmons?

Yes, he does.

I had another thought, too.

It might be a very good time to have some good Mexican-Americans.

All these people over there.

Now, that's a brass nest over there.

But could you get a little mayor or governor of Baja, California, and say, clean up the city a little, get the whores on the streets?

I go over there one Sunday about a year ago.

It's still pretty perfect.

But you know what?

It could be great for them too.

People are going to go over there.

They're inevitable.

Particularly these people from the Midwest and Bristol.

They're big people.

They don't spend any money, but there will be a lot of $10,000 raised.

But there's so many other things to do.

I mean, the water is just so great.

The weather is beautiful.

I'll tell you, it's really going to be great.

Well, we're very much looking forward to it.

I think the point that you've got to come out on it.

And I think that the point is well taken.

Really, this is the city's kind of hand-in-hand in lightness.

There is appreciation.

place at that time of year that these people, you don't have to tell them anything, they'll see it.

It'll prove itself once you get up there.

A couple other thoughts, it would be, get the Navy, I heard some chats from the Navy, to really come through, have their big ships up there with lights on and all that sort of thing, and be good to the Navy, get some good publicity out of this, don't you think so?

Go ahead.

That's a Navy town.

The other thing that they have to say, I'll bring out lies about this, but

As I said, there are many that are larger.

For example, the milk producers.

I spoke to them in Chicago a few weeks ago, and they had 45,000 at their convention.

You won't have that thing to this one.

But who the hell knew about the milk producers?

You see, the thing about this, it's on living color.

San Diego.

It is enormous.

It's utterly enormous.

You're not going to get the money out of it at the moment, but I think the publicity over a period of time is terrific.

You ought to be out there.

I think you ought to play a role of going out and meeting people, governors, the rest.

It's a marvelous opportunity for you.

Well, we can build Pete up on the TV, too.

I want to go with the host mayor and all that.

We didn't do this, of course, with that stupid person in Miami Beach.

There's a different situation.

Well, but I was thinking that in Pete's case, let's have him as part of the television program.

Sure.

That is a programming for the convention, and you'll get a lot of them.

the mayor and the governor, and then they are actually arranged to.

It would be great for him.

He'll make a welcome speech, but the mayor, make him want to be good.

All right, this is going to be a great day for you.

I mean, it'll be four days, but quite a lot of work.

It's going to be a real pain from now until I get to 50 years.

Yeah.

Well, we've got a good session, John Dean.

You have a good police chief.

Excellent.

He's new.

He's young.

He's a very tough cop.

How about the state police?

Don't you have to use them, too?

You have a lot of county property, too, don't you?

Well, we have both the sheriff and the sheriff, and then also for traffic control, we want to use the CHP to highway control.

Very good.

Excellent.

That's the sheriff's office.

They're good, too.

They're good.

Yeah.

You're going to have to call out help from L.A. and all, too.

I can't.

Well, I think so.

And that's the thing.

There's a mutual existence.

If you have trouble with the police, you won't have with the sheriff.

What's that?

And using L.A., you won't have any trouble with pitches.

Pitches and brakes help.

I think you'd be better off if you played pitches more than the other.

Pitches would look good.

You know, you should be pumping and all that.

They're just going to have a basic manpower problem on Miami.

It's a large police force in San Diego.

That's true, plus the physical situation.

Yeah.

And you don't have that island.

No.

You can't do what you can in terms of limiting the access.

I should have brought back to you a...

cartoon that appeared in the underground press.

I'll find it sometime and send it to you.

It shows you standing atop the sports arena, holding me in your hand with a great big wine cup key in my back.

I'm waving an American flag.

I'm attracted to you.

Very cute.

Very cute, aren't they?

Well, you know, it's been a long time since

Yeah.

And as you came on up, stayed by your surgery for how many years?

About 50 or now.

How old were you?

38.

That's the right time.

We're going to give you both greetings from Peter Kay and Paul Kye.

Is Paul in San Diego?

No, we used him at the camp.

He's in L.A. Yeah, we now have him in a San Diego agency.

But they used Paul.

Well, it's going to be good to get you out of San Diego.

Thank you.

So I can't say it's a house crime.

Lugar is the best mayor in the country.

Believe me.

I mean, nobody can be mayor.

It's impossible to govern a city.

I'll start with that proposition.

They say you overthink it.

But if anybody can do it, he's the right man.

And I've had it after him a great deal.

He's basically moderate, you know, centrist.

Plays to the liberals and doesn't lose his conservative constituents.

In other words, he plays to his conservatives.

quietly on our organization's side, but then plays to the folks on the other side.

And he has a different, well, he has a far bigger Negro population than you have.

But you have a far bigger Mexican population than he has.

But you literally do a hell of a job here, aren't you?

Also, be an honest man.

For a while, you were ready to, for a while, get you comfortable with it.

There's your golf ball.

All right.

Here's your, you know, all this stuff.

There's your, uh, there's your weight.

Here's your tight line.

I'm so glad that you won by 63%.

Thank you.

All the way through.

And now you'll make a big hit.

Thank you very much.

Good luck.