{"conversationCode":"628-005","tapeNumber":628,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-628-005","startDateTime":"1971-12-02T17:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-02T17:21:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Dec-1971","startTime":"12:17 PM","endDate":"2-Dec-1971","endTime":"12:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On December 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:17 pm and 12:21 pm. 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Trudeau, December 6, 1971\n                      -Canada\n\n     Woods’ conversation with an unknown woman\n         -Award\n\f                  -Unknown musician\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Bermuda\n               -Woods' schedule\n          -Woods’ schedule\n               -Robert L. King\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/20/2022.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[628-005-w001]\n[Duration: 1m 6s]\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Rose Mary Woods’ schedule\n               -Robert L. King\n                      -Lunch\n                           -December 3, 1971\n                      -Water project in Mexico\n                           -Bankrupt\n                           -Jack Drown\n                      -Rose Mary Woods’ opinion\n                           -Unknown woman\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -King\n               -Possible position on staff\n                      -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:17 pm.\n\n     Clark MacGregor\n          -Meeting with the President\n               -Taxes\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:21 pm.\n\n     Suggestion\n\nWoods left at 12:21 pm.","filename":["628-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:46:28","tapeEnd":"00:50:55","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"628-004","nextCode":"628-006","transcript":[{"start":6.59,"end":9.07,"text":"One thing, again, I don't think about you."},{"start":9.13,"end":16.35,"text":"I know that when they're small, I don't like to put someone in a row because it would, you know, balance it very well."},{"start":16.45,"end":18.89,"text":"We had a registered call over our next visit."},{"start":21.62,"end":23.68,"text":"Yeah, he's a Canadian man."},{"start":23.7,"end":31.07,"text":"Okay, I thought you would, but I... As I say, when it's that few, I can take it and put anybody in who wouldn't be good."},{"start":31.09,"end":31.51,"text":"Okay, good."},{"start":31.53,"end":32.65,"text":"Yeah, it becomes fair."},{"start":33.19,"end":43.62,"text":"And then Mrs. Bacon wrote to me and said, she understood from you that an award was going to be given to Mr. Archimedes, didn't she?"},{"start":43.7,"end":48.18,"text":"And I wondered..."},{"start":54.4,"end":57.78,"text":"I mean, she says he's been decorated by all men and all the government, right?"},{"start":57.8,"end":66.32,"text":"I think we've been to the..."},{"start":66.46,"end":66.92,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":66.96,"end":68.2,"text":"I'll see if he still plays."},{"start":68.92,"end":69.7,"text":"Yes, he still does."},{"start":69.78,"end":71.11,"text":"I've done a couple of lists."},{"start":71.12,"end":72.17,"text":"She said that he told Kendall."},{"start":72.19,"end":73.69,"text":"I haven't seen him."},{"start":73.72,"end":74.19,"text":"I haven't seen him."},{"start":74.2,"end":81.27,"text":"I haven't seen him."},{"start":86.82,"end":104.16,"text":"And then, so I know I asked the other day, and I'm not pushing, I just thought so I can know, you know, when I say yes and no to a hearing, whether you will, whether I will be going on the, you know, these early trips or not, you know, whether that is it."},{"start":105.04,"end":106.61,"text":"Or whether you even have time to discuss it."},{"start":123.21,"end":131.45,"text":"Well, I don't need a question at this time, yeah."},{"start":131.47,"end":133.45,"text":"Yeah, you've got to rule this time."},{"start":133.65,"end":134.19,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":134.29,"end":141.18,"text":"I've got to find out whether these financial indicators and so forth and so on."},{"start":141.22,"end":142.14,"text":"Some statements..."},{"start":151.57,"end":153.32,"text":"Yeah, I will let you know."},{"start":153.34,"end":154.3,"text":"Well, I came with him."},{"start":154.5,"end":156.14,"text":"I said, I'm going to take him to lunch."},{"start":156.16,"end":160.12,"text":"I told him to come tomorrow instead of today, because tomorrow he would definitely be gone."},{"start":160.16,"end":160.26,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":160.58,"end":161.86,"text":"How's he doing?"},{"start":162.76,"end":164.36,"text":"Oh, he's still outside the park."},{"start":164.38,"end":170.08,"text":"He's still talking about some water project from Mexico that he talked to me on a year ago."},{"start":170.26,"end":173.73,"text":"His other name went busted, didn't it?"},{"start":173.77,"end":175.01,"text":"He's basically on it."},{"start":175.05,"end":175.63,"text":"Did he go bankrupt?"},{"start":175.97,"end":176.39,"text":"Oh, bankrupt."},{"start":177.85,"end":179.11,"text":"No, that's..."},{"start":179.13,"end":180.37,"text":"He did, especially."},{"start":182.59,"end":183.07,"text":"Jack Downs."},{"start":183.61,"end":184.17,"text":"Jack Downs, yeah."},{"start":184.21,"end":185.71,"text":"Quite a few people I've met."},{"start":185.77,"end":194.89,"text":"We often just tried to help him then, you know, but he said he had to pay Ed and make more money than government."},{"start":199.64,"end":204.64,"text":"Poor guy, he said he just dreamed and fiddled his life away because he had good money."},{"start":205.52,"end":208,"text":"Or else he nagged his life away."},{"start":208.54,"end":210.08,"text":"He probably needed to nag."},{"start":210.4,"end":211.04,"text":"Very good."},{"start":219.12,"end":227.94,"text":"So he said, but I was wondering, I was going to have him in today, but I told him that today was busy."},{"start":227.98,"end":234.85,"text":"Well, I didn't ask to see, but I wanted you to be out of town, so I could see yesterday when she comes."},{"start":234.93,"end":237.11,"text":"And that was great."},{"start":237.41,"end":239.61,"text":"But after that, I didn't need to be there for her."},{"start":240.78,"end":247.14,"text":"Well, Bob, I talked to Bob about it, and we, um, I wrote him, and someone called him at that point."},{"start":247.34,"end":251.36,"text":"We could put him on some pay to come check something."},{"start":251.4,"end":258.23,"text":"Excuse me, Mr. President, uh, Clark McRaven needs to speak to you for one moment on the tax matter."},{"start":258.27,"end":258.83,"text":"He's right on the sideline."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. 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