On December 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Clark MacGregor, Rose Mary Woods, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:45 pm to 2:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 628-008 of the White House Tapes.
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I don't know what else to say.
Kind of an interesting thing, Ken, somebody who's been watching this discussion, you know, nobody said it at all, well-intentioned, trying to determine whether to recommend Butts to withdraw, be withdrawn, you know, that we ask him to withdraw, which Butts was very anxious and willing to do, you know, it was very nice of him.
I know, I would never...
We'd be better off at the political coup to withdraw and sink them.
But it's interesting, if Buchanan's got a critique and came back at it with the thing which Pat sent in,
Which makes the point that withdrawing at this stage, and this was a few days ago, would ignore the fact that the farm media can totally contrast with the Post and the Times on this issue.
That farmers don't read the Post and Times, they read farm publications.
Eighty percent of the farm publications are editorially on Butz's side.
And he has widespread support of the farm media.
He's going to get a good press on confirmation and good editorial support on action.
as he goes in.
And they say the farm media don't think agribusiness isn't over.
That's what they live on, is agribusiness.
And they have a high opinion of us, and they say once he's confirmed, we won't have any opposition from the farm media to us.
will get a fair shake of a contrast startling with the national prosperity game.
Two magazines have already put good stories on Butts in Farm General and Successful Farming, both strongly for him as a number one and number three farm publications.
Chris Farm General is a farm hero.
Many of the written federal editorials have waited for the Senate vote, and some have hit the Butts' critics.
He also raises the point of don't overlook the hickle factor.
Not the bad part, but the good part.
He had a tough confirmation fight, and so everybody thought he was a slob, and everything he did made him look better than he really was.
Made him a man.
Yeah.
And he says also the Democrats may end up with more eggs on their fists than they hoped for, because running against butts in the farm areas, when you've got strong farm media support, isn't going to help them.
And he talks about the farm radio in Chicago, where Orion Sanderson, who's the voice of the Midwest Farm Bureau, is like the strongman who takes the class.
On radio, he's like the big son of the farm.
Perry Barber.
says in a letter, the editor says, I'm sure the liberals will have a Roman holiday in their hearing on Butts, but he's a man of tremendous competence and is highly respected in this area.
I can't think of a better choice.
And you can get that kind of thing once they get past us.
So this is my comment.
Good day.
Almost over.
And of course, a little awkward with his brother there.
They almost have to be.
It was kind of interesting at the time, because he's part of the fact that Lewis was mobilizing the state without asking to withdraw.
And he took totally the opposite view.
He was saying that those people were falling into the trap for reading the Times and the Post.
Yeah.
And also, he had a part of the cards rolling, and he couldn't fight them.
There was some unnecessary violence.
They were arguing that he might gain something by his, you know, in effect being a martyr.
I don't think you really do.
All you gain is a victory for the other side, instead we force you not to.
Yeah, how much did Hershey get?
Not an iota.
I heard it.
Showed by God that I was right.
That was the same kind of talk.
It was a different situation.
I said, OK, you'll help the young people.
They're really old now.
We took the poor little young man down for the last life.
It was a horrible thing to do.
No, I didn't do it right here.
Well, this would indicate that also, as you can see,
I think for you, Chick, once he gets in, he may have to approve the corn thing.
There was a paper in that you approved option two on, and that's the thing that taught me a nice thing.
Give him a good start.
On the heads of state, do you want to get into the details of how those things are put together?
You probably better, to some degree.
For instance, they have different kinds of recommendations.
First of all, it's true that they're suggesting that.
that you meet alone with Trudeau while the counterparts meet in Kaepernick and you jump for the last ten minutes.
I assume that's... How does that follow?
And...
I'm pushing hard for no joint statements at Air Force.
The only place there's any problem, maybe a problem, is in the Azores or Cactana.
They want to do something, but we're trying to make it different.
No, sir, the Lord of Rivals said, you know, you and Cactana are making statements.
They're going to have a rival.
He's going to welcome you in, apparently.
Well, I'm going to make sure you're there.
Well, if we make it, we'll avoid it.
If we can't avoid it, we might as well.
I mean, I don't mind that.
I don't think there would be an application on that.
The other thing, Caetano is hosting the dinner there, and he probably is going to want a black tie.
I told him not to argue about that.
I'm sorry.
You don't care about this, Doctor?
Normally these dinners here we're working on the basis of business.
We're holding tight on no lunches, although the French here would like to have a joint luncheon that they would host.
But we're going to stay here.
It will be the dinner anyway.
If you have one luncheon that they host, then you have a problem with whether you host a luncheon.
to get into the whole series.
So it looks as if it's going to work out, but I think they were suggesting this is a formality.
We overreact to other people's formalities.
Then they're going ahead on schedules on these now on the basis of what Henry's figuring on substance.
But you apparently, you have to have a meeting with
So we were going to do that Sunday night after you arrived, because it would be early by Washington time.
And that Monday morning, I figured about a two-hour meeting with Papadu, and then a lunch break, and then a two and a half hour meeting in the afternoon on the first day, and then an hour meeting in the morning the second day.
And then an hour and a half with the Joint Advisors.
There's apparently some reason for no longer being with the Joint Advisors of the French, I guess, financial business.
And then the... You departed noon.
That's pretty much it.
Good morning.
You departed noon, but we've got the afternoon open.
If you have to extend it, it means you can't.
Or not to have lunches.
No lunches yet.
I think we're okay.
Well, that's the problem.
You get a whole five-step problem.
And on the Bermuda meetings, we're figuring on arriving there at 12.30, you start your meeting at 1.30 or 2 or something like that, so you arrive after lunch.
In other words, that solves the luncheon problem.
And then you leave before lunch the next day, which gives you
3 1⁄2 hour meeting in the first afternoon and an hour and a half next morning, plus an hour with the advisors.
Basically the same pattern with Willie Brown.
He just came to the ride after lunch.
He said he'll be out in Sarasota.
He'll send your plane up to bring you down.
I didn't arrive right after lunch.
We go to the afternoon meeting and have the dinner in the States overnight.
Miami had a different morning meeting the next day than we did.
And then decided to get places set for all these meetings.
Pretty much so, yeah.
We even brought the meeting to the house.
I think so, yeah.
They're checking all that out.
It's a problem because all those hotels are
overbooked for Christmas Eve.
Oh yeah, we're getting great cooperation from all of them.
But they hold our hopes back now.
Don't worry, we've got it down for you.
We are very much so in all of these.
We're going to have a very small act that Henry hasn't
but I don't, he's picking on me.
I think on me too.
What if we decide that we're gonna take a ride along the goddamn thing or not?
He said, no, I don't live with people.
I didn't see why he would do that.
And I said, oh, if we think we're going, you said we should have somebody in China.
Well, I wondered there, you guys are not that many people.
I tell you, I have a feeling, I think I know the reason why.
in Chicago and also there's a new advancement or something.
There are.
There just seem to be so many guys around that just practically, you know, it just, it looks like an army every time we walk.
I know, we've got too many.
We've got to, we've got to cut down.
Don't notice that.
We do have, they don't all have to be around.
They can disappear even if they're there.
you know, training events and that sort of thing.
And that's what some of them are.
But they aren't that many because there's only two or three of the most.
And we just don't, maybe we're doing the most scientific events in the rest of time.
And we need that maybe around us.
Around you there are too many, I agree.
We need to have them disappear.
All of us, third and ninth.
We get around you too much.
I noticed that yesterday.
At one time, we were moving from room to room, you know, because that whole thing was much slower.
I sure did.
Well, I think, why don't we move out?
I think you said yes, and I think she asked me about it, and I said, well, there should be a readiness, if you like, or something.
I guess so.
I agree with him that I may have to do something.
I mean, if I do, I can't rely on these other secretaries.
In other words, nothing may come of it.
He might come up where he needs the money to work.
All right.
I think he should take runs.
All right.
And have her do other work.
I said, sir, they did.
They had a heart, but on the other hand, I just can't have them sitting there like, oh, it's cold a lot, you know.
Yeah, I'm not, well, there's no problem, you know.
It's embarrassing, but I just, you know, it's that.
Yeah, because they're working better than Chinese, with regard to the, with regard to the other, the record business.
Well, Henry's got a guy in there, and Roger won't be the kind of stuff you want to say, but you aren't going to say anything.
Oh, you may issue a statement or something like that.
Other than that, I don't think, well, I don't know what I'm going to have to say.
If it isn't something that a writer can do anything on, something that a writer can do a little better than Henry's got, that's the only difference.
Well, on the rhythm stuff, their stuff is damn good.
Yeah.
Well...
Why don't we take one of them?
Each one.
Take different ones then?
Yep.
I think your idea of taking the U.K. chapter probably is a good idea.
I think it is because I think it might be your thought was it would help the conservatives
I think that's a fringe benefit.
I mean, that's a plus.
If you're going to take a writer, I think that's as good an argument for taking the accountant as a plus if he has a pen on him and the other two senior guys have.
And he is the senior most guy, and it is a plum.
It's the aspect of the Russian person that I was going to ask.
Yeah, I was going to get it.
That's right, he has a pen on him.
All right, I'm ready to go to Russia.
He's got a hand.
I tell him to have some time.
So then let's move this radical thing down another closet.
You don't get sapphire on one.
But anyway, it's technical.
We got four.
Ray, Ray should be on the show.
He must have done that.
And he's got Sapphire, and he's got... Who the hell else?
Cook.
Cook, he's got the name.
Come on, and Grease.
Yeah, Grease.
He's got them all, right?
He's got...
He's the senior.
He's got Johnny Andrews.
He's got four shows.
And he's got five guys.
I have five.
If Sapphire takes one.
Sapphire's done it.
Two trips.
He did the economic thing and he was at the Camp David weekend and all that.
I was also on a trip to Europe.
Yeah.
He took the, I think he was on the Asia trip or something.
We made a turn out in Russia to have something else going on.
And he let the four junior men, junior men, race go on these four trucks.
Yeah.
So they just be there to pop up some stuff.
Even if it's perfectly capable of it.
Andrews is capable of it.
I don't know what the priest is.
Well, the priest is sure he's smart.
That's good.
I thought there were four of them, Dave Kripke and John O'Reilly, and, uh, I think, uh, Zach Byer, you could explain it to me.
Well, I can't explain the thing, but we'll need a few hands to go in.
The whole thing could go in the chest.
Now, out of these, he actually don't care which one goes where.
The Azores and Bermudas, he detects the thumbs.
I don't know, there was no difference at all to me.
I mean, first you try this one, and then we'll do it.
Yeah, another thing on the trip thing that's going to come to you, whichever way I've decided, I can't win on it, unfortunately, which is on the China advance, the question of whether this county goes over or not, you know, he feels very strongly up to the point where he may, you know, just completely blow his sack if he doesn't go.
Henry feels equally strongly that he should go.
He's afraid to turn and lose over there.
And Scali's apparently going around telling people he's gone.
Well, why isn't Scali going along the train?
That's right.
And I think that's the point.
He's going along the train.
We don't want this at a high level.
That's where everybody gets down to.
What's it all?
What's he up to?
What's his problem?
The weight of getting to China is something that just totally colors everybody's thinking on anything.
I just don't understand.
He said, well, if he does.
Well, I'm not, I'm not adamant on it, but I just don't think it makes sense.
Why would he go?
What's the purpose of it?
To position him for the trip so he knows what's coming up, so he can move around amongst the news people on the trip as an expert, so he can advise on the TV planning ahead of time.
He is already on the TV stuff.
I don't think he would.
I think I can lay down the law to him before he goes and then we can get some eggs going.
Well, that's it.
So that covers...
uh, you know, the policy side, whatever it is.
If Hayne goes, put a banner that Hayne goes, and then what's wrong with them, which I think he should do.
Jesus Christ.
You're going to know about that.
You're going to send all those people.
Shave their hands off your body.
That's my way of talking.
So, Professor, you got it.
It's a really horrendous problem trying to get all that to precedent around that Scali.
Yeah, see, Scali isn't any good for what John Boyd ought to have looked at.
Yeah.
I don't think Frank would be the reason why Jaden could do all that he's done before.
There's more to do than he can do.
Well, there ain't no... See, you've got to cover the three cities to get the tangoes.
I see the reason for that.
Well, there's no danger that Scallion's superb job of keeping his mouth shut.
Oh, yeah.
That's what I mean.
I don't think that's a problem.
Now, Scallion comes up with ideas that run counter-energy.
I think that's to our advantage, to be perfectly frank, because his ideas are for what we want, which is television coverage of what's happening there.
He has no power to implement his ideas, and so I don't think we should be afraid to have Jennery.
Well, I'm not going to have him to reason with me that you're going to handle him as well.
I'm going to say that you and Jennery can hang together and say that I consider television to be 100% more important than the writing press over there.
I just put a code in that basis, and we had to take a picture of you in television.
And Ron, I would send Scott.
On the other hand, if you put Ron above Scali, and Hayes above Oakley, you've absolutely got control over Hayes.
Hayes would toss him on the bench and he wouldn't learn to do anything.
Well, I'll put it to Scali before he does this, too.
I think we can... We need the recommendations.
Scali isn't...
He's the man that has to work with us.
He gets all excited about everything, but goddamn it, we need him.
If you go to that...
It's a small price to pay, I think, for what we get.
Right, all right.
I'm not sure you can.
I'm not able to.
Yeah, I think you should go.
I'll do my best.
I'll do the best job I can.
I'm getting together a grade a little bit to go over this thing.
I was not planning to go down to Florida.
You said something about parking on the way down, but because John would be down there, and Alex would have to handle the logistics.
Well, what I'd like you to do is have a little, a very, we'll call it a grade, a very grand prize.
I wear it all the time.
I will.
I'm saying I'm ready.
I know it's a story.
We, I'm ready to go.
I'm ready to go.
I'm ready to go.
I'm ready to go.
I'm ready to go.
There weren't chair lines in that.
What there were was, he said, I'll give you 25 million bucks.
He said, now I'll give you $50,000, and I'll charge you again.
He said, now I'm going to give you $100,000.
So what the hell?
He spent $200 million there, just like a sideshow barker tossing fish to the sea.
And of course, one other charity I worked at, I wrote in about the checkoff.
And you tossed that in.
And I wrote in something about supporting the price.
other just little things like like the point of he said mine in a nursing home and you said my 91 year old aunt even in the nursing home and just that little difference is just there's a a world of difference in what comes changing the country needs them i said we need you little people there are so many changes that i just can't even go over
But they didn't need it there.
But, uh, they, uh, they were unchallenged, that doctor.
I mean, the, it wasn't, uh, it wasn't really, like, gosh, isn't it really a sin for those of you out there to have to tell these people we're going to do this, this, and this, and this.
That's all they are, are, are.
I guess we'd be that way if we were older.
I guess they're advocates for, you know, all this stuff.
They're there by foster care.
Plumbing seems to be well established with them.
Because they're trying.
Part of their plumbing.
Because they, every time, you know, they keep plumbing on and they cheer.
You can do this and they cheer.
Plumbing always is on their side.
This is true.
This is goddamn true.
We'll just work with them, you know.
Each in a nation.
True.
He was here at least after that thing.
Yeah.
I think he was.
Well, he was.
He came up to me and said, I've got to stay here to close the meeting.
Please tell the president how it went.
And this was very, very good.
Right off the nail.
Well, we got Warren in.
I said, I work in the district.
It's four hours, seven to eleven.
The speech change should come up with a few little things like that.
I didn't learn that until he told me that as I walked in.
It's one of the things I did out in California, which was the best.
The only real laugh of the day was the president's president, Mr. Cole.
That kind of a line.
Any smart person should be able to sit down and think up material about it.
That's what, look, point to Christ Jesus.
Do you think Holt thinks those lines up?
None.
I've asked him.
He not only doesn't think them up, he can't even remember them.
He reads them.
That's right.
He stands there and reads those damn lines and reads them goddamn right.
Once in a while when he has to not read them, he memorizes them.
That's right.
He recites them.
I hope one of those publicists is not a gag man at all, purely a performer who recites something else.
My point is, that's true, it's true.
The difficulty is, what little I do at the Euclid, what little I could do myself.
We really need an end on this airline thing.
There are things that can be said, and that's legitimate, to let people
People want each other.
You just say a simple thing, like, this is a hell of a country, or I'd like to be four white teens in my country.
It's crazy.
All that stuff.
I know it's corny as hell, but let's be a little more corny.
We're in a campaign, I think.
That's the way if you were turned loose, John Andrews would go.
I think he's moved back away from that son by race and presidential concern.
I may be wrong, but it would be interesting to try him.
As I told you earlier, I want to talk to John separately.
He's only one.
He's very young.
Very young may be the very best, because as they get older, they become themselves.
When they're young, they can be
be used.
At least the old folks then, I must say, did a great variety of flying.
No, we got none.
In some cases, good, and in no cases, bad.
We got a very good reception.
Those old folks were excellent reception.
And when you came in, excellent reception.
You got a lot of
And of course you were tossing up apples and cheering those as you went through the stage.
But I meant it.
And they were present.
They should be happy.
That's right.
Everybody was very eager.
The old people that came up afterwards.
That wasn't Mr. Watson's name, was it?
Oh, hell no.
Somebody thought it was.
No.
I thought it was Mr. Watson.
I thought it was Mr. Griffin.
I thought it was a shriveled up little guy.
What's that?
I don't know.
But I think.
I think the one that did more than survive, I think, John was right, if he didn't have the big ticket thing, he had enough little tickets to ditch it.
Yeah, but I took the ticket.
And you notice that, what I said about him, about the little ticket thing, they didn't clap.
Thank you.
But, it's, uh,
This may be Edward Hunt.
He may be too careful, Hunt, for somebody in the neighborhood, maybe.
Maybe you're...
I talked to Moore about that guy that had a justice.
He said he's not what you want.
He's too, uh, too corporate.
He says he does, he gets a little glimmer of some pretty good men, but he's pretty...
battered down, you know, where he can't.
Mitchell is so square that the guy gets a little bit away from Mitchell's super squareness and makes it sound pretty good, but for you, he does a little more than that, though.
He agrees.
Does anybody do a better job of his speech, right?
Yes.
He does?
Yeah, he agrees with that.
Don't discourage them.
They just work like hell there, you know.
They do that stuff.
They really do.
They work like hell.
They work with the...
There's no temperament.
There's no bitching.
There's no discouragement.
There's no personal pride or anything like that.
Maybe the news about the trips.
Maybe you better tell them about the trip right now.
They don't...
Tell him I don't think that should be told to him.
He cannot even know.
I don't want him to know that you agree.
But Ray should know.
I'll put his pitch in.
He knows it's under consideration.
Ray is going to go rushing.
And Ray should take more time to go rushing than he wants.
I'll just say first line.
He's going to be good at that.
But I need to name the others.
I think it's turned out to be a good idea that we have impact on China.
I do, too.
There's some very good news.
Yeah.
Great picture stuff.
Well, the way they started, I guess you're making some picture stuff, too.
Well, not because you have it.
I think you don't need it in the morning, sir.
In the morning, you go out and look at something, and you have a chance to be... No, I don't.
I don't.
I don't.
I don't.
I don't.
If it's true, it'll be too bad, but it won't hurt.
If it's not true, it'll be great.
They're building quite a story on the fact that there won't be any street crowds.
A couple of people said that the trip was scheduled at that time by the Chinese, and they were really devoted to the cold.
The more we get that out, the more that steps in, the better off we are, because then if there is anybody in the seats, there's that much more of a start, except with the timing.
Yes.
We report it very fast.
Yes.
We report it on the final action of the tax bill and on the bus confirmation.
If you'd like to step in.
That's good then.
We didn't do quite as well there as I thought we would do.
It was 51-44.
That's good.
Fifty-one forty-four.
Wow.
My slogan, Mr. President, was fifty-four, forty, or five.
And all three votes sure is absurd.
But we've got a majority.
You've got an absolute majority.
That's one plus.
The tax bill comes free.
It didn't reach final agreement.
A straight party line vote.
They adopted the mill's substitute, the modified checkoff proposal.
John Burns called and warned me to talk with you, and that's why I broke in.
John said it would be, wouldn't be right to look at this as effective January 1st, 73, because no appropriation will be considered until 76.
It provides for money flowing into a fund, but there's no probation, of course.
There won't be any consideration for money flowing out until 76.
John's point was that there's ample opportunity for the Congress to repeal what they've done.
John said, Park, you remember 67, and we adopted this thing in 66 in the closing date of the campaign, knowing we were going to set it aside later to
And he said, tell the president in my name.
We both heard his side later.
He didn't say that.
Well, he didn't say that.
Thank God he voted against it.
Yeah.
But it's still, Mills didn't withdraw.
No, he didn't.
Which you were afraid by.
That's right.
But I did say to the president that Mills would be barred.
And I have found out that Mills did not clear this with Larry O'Brien.
And I'm sure Larry Brown is going to be most unhappy about it.
You asked me about it, Mr. President, and then I answered too quickly on it, was, well, can't they borrow money to pay off their debt because they can't look forward to this money?
They can't look forward to it.
Yeah, and they can't look forward to any repayment until 76, and then only if there's subsequent action.
The money was paid in 1976.
It would have to be with a tax collection every year.
The fund is built up from then.
It would be built up to
to the maximum.
My God, that's what you're talking about.
What's that?
It specifies that only $20 million per candidate can be spent.
They can fill up a lot of money, but they can't spend it.
If people check it off, there's some, you know, people may not check it off.
Well, that's not going to become law.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
What does he think, what is John suggesting, that there is a ground for signing?
That's what he's implying.
I said, should I tell the President you can get it all signed?
And he said, no, I wouldn't say that, Clark.
Let's see what the rest of it is.
What he wanted to do is this, in order to prepare the way for signing it, let it come from down there.
First, my position is the same.
You know what I mean?
I oppose it on principle.
And somebody down there can say that.
This is exactly what Bernie just said.
If the president does something, as he would have heard, he could do it and call for a repeal in the next session in order to get what he wants.
You see what I mean?
i didn't exactly could do it i mean that's where we check it i still need to do that sure i would reveal about everything in the next session sure just like the congressman would be effective with tax returns
I think Mr. President with your approval I will also float the idea that what
I hate to do this because it gives no strength.
What he's really done is emasculate the provision.
He's made it an analogy, virtually, in my opinion.
Do you think it's because of the business pressure you feel?
Well, I'm sure that that was a fact, Mr. President.
And I'm not confident looking into his mind.
But everybody looks out for the number one in the situation.
And he can raise money now that people can't.
So what we can say, I think, we can begin to spread the story over to Sherville, slip it to 73, because he knows he can't be a candidate for president in 76 if he's too old.
But in 72, he can be a candidate.
He can raise money in the McGoverns and the others can't.
Well, at least this kills the guy, man, for 72.
Yes, sir.
That's done, I'm sure.
Yes, sir.
That's the most important.
All right.
No.
I told Charlie Walker and John Burns, and they were together, when they told me about the final action of the concrete, I said, the president's absolutely out of his state of the position on principle.
He believes it deeply.
And my point, Wilbur, was that he had to modify the principle.
Well, the way I see it, why don't you get up and busy writing me, writing me a message in which I totally refute the disposition and say that I'm under my whole air force, and I will ask the legislature to be introduced and repealed in the next session before it becomes effective in the second period.
I will, Mr. President.
You should know that Ray Price's assignment is fitting with small women.
Ray has written a fine statement, which we now have to modify, but only slightly.
I don't think you should.
Ron handled the question this morning just fine.
They asked him, well, what if, what if, what if?
And Ron said, the checkout principal is doing that.
You can report the President will oppose the amendment, so you're just finding that out.
Well, that's stated.
You see, the question, though, or there, that's fine.
But the question is the view of the fact that it doesn't apply to 72.
He cannot, he must not get trapped and say, well, it doesn't apply to 72, the President is not opposed to it.
He must not get trapped into that.
I'll write it down.
So you're saying that the President voted, the President opposed, this is the principle.
Yeah.
And whatever action he takes will, no matter what, must go to the bill.
They say, look, you jeopardize the bill.
Why do you say that?
We can't decide the bill.
We'll veto the bill.
That's quite what he's going to say on that question.
See?
Can't he just say the principle's clear?
It depends on what comes in.
That's right.
It's still before the Senate, Matt, the Congress Senate.
You don't have the bill yet.
Why don't you just say it?
I mean, he opposes the checkup on principles.
He said that.
He said, well, if it comes here and that.
Or is he going to veto it?
We don't know what the reaction in the House or the Senate will be, whether they are in a fair position or whether they will insist on further modifications to the Senate.
It could well insist on his position, because what we know is that Socrates so drastically changed the...
The proposal's getting its effect, not in principle, but in its effect.
And there are a lot of Democratic candidates for president in the Senate that are really looking forward to getting their hands on this money, and I won't be available to them.
I see another reaction.
Yes, sir.
This is a long way off, and I'll have no comment until it gets done.
I reiterate the president, regardless of when it goes into effect, opposes this totally unprincipled.
How's that?
Sounds good.
And we'll wait and see what comes down there.
I'm not going to comment on what he's going to do to reveal that.
But he opposes this totally unprincipled.
It doesn't change the fact that it doesn't apply to 72.
Okay.
I can't be sure because I don't have much time for this.
Hmm?
I don't think the Senator's going to like this, do I?
Senator Wilbur's a doctor.
He kind of rattles the kitty on that, too.
And it is true that Mr. Wilbur did not check with Larry Brown.
So all they have to do, what we wanted to ask is for the opposite issue.
Thank you, Mr. President.
I'd call George Bush right away so he would know about it.
But we have a bunch of real questions to do tomorrow.
I'm sorry.
Announcement of purchase.
Earl is not contemplating making a statement as to how much it will be purchased or what it will cost, just that there will be purchases.
But I'll encourage you to know that right away.
I'll do everything I can to support you in many ways.
What kind of a city do I live in?
My plan in mind is that if your station is very good, I can do all the job here.
Oh, yes.
Very, very smart question.
Also got a crazy spirit about it.
I mean, he never gives you any impression.
He just sits down and I'm like, oh, is that him?
I would have liked that.
And then he's got a great spirit at home.
All right.
Pleasure to have her on.
Pleasure to have her on.
I don't know if the sun would come out again, but I mean, I can't imagine it.
You know, really, coming back to this kind of business, every moment, it's got that country it's coming to.
They have to get out and make that kind of speech.
So many ways.
I'm going to double this.
I'm going to do that.
Jesus Christ.
Which is what we have to inspire people.
I know that you're wrong.
I guess somebody can survive without doing it.
Yeah, this is the question.
Anybody do that stuff anyway.
If you can't do it, you might as well get it.
Oh, you have, you've had a talk with these people.
Yeah.
This, uh, witness of, uh,
How much time do they want, please?
You can spend.
Which?
How much do you need?
I'm going to sit down and see what you feel.
You can get it up.
You've got a private line.
You need a private line.
You need a private line.
You can throw it out and have a go at it.
We're definitely going to have this NBC thing on Monday.
Yeah.
The best time to do that is when they're gone.
Right.
Right.
What are we going to talk about?
Who would help us?
President.
My.
President, don't help me.
He's one of the ones that voted with us that you agreed to see.
I see.
Courtesy of.
They are going to get through this, I'm afraid, but maybe that's not going to happen.
But you think we should wait until they get through?
I don't think they should, yeah.
Just to make a news.
It's what you see.
The key this week, pretty clear.
Yeah.
You've got to get ready for the poverty thing.
I can do the 15th and 16th.
I can do it then.
If you don't go for it, well, you know.
I'm pretty much a prospect right now.
Okay.
I'd like to get in the car.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
You know, blackness is nice.
You don't want to go into these puddles.
Yeah, I think it was last time you threw it.
You threw it really far.
There we go.
There we go.
He said, go ahead.
Thank you.
Did we discuss that?
I thought you were going to wake up at 5 in the morning and try and cinch, is what I thought you were.
Right.
That was my understanding, was that you would wait and fly on, you wouldn't try to go up for Christmas night because you'd get stuck with all those other people, but that you might fly on early in the morning on Christmas day, I mean the day after Christmas.
What was that?
On the other bus, when you would be there at 5 in the morning?
You can do that with your schedule, Tom.
Well, if you will talk the children to their place and see what she has to say.
I think Pat, uh, thought you couldn't go out with the folks, because the 18th and 19th, because those are your staff Christmas parties here.
Well, that's no problem.
I'm not going to go to those staff parties.
I know you're not, but she didn't think you should be in New York for the theater or something.
I ain't, uh, you know, I'm the only speaking paragraph.
I don't know your difference.
I don't know the term names of God.
They have no difference.
You?
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
The thing is that... We've done them all.
Yeah, I mean, we had different, you know, we're a different group.
We were in a different area, even the different night children and all that stuff.
It's the same every year.
It's telling you where you're stuck or not.
And it's bad.
I don't know.
But I'll talk to Julie.
Julie, and see what she wants.
It's bad stuff.
I don't know.
You know, she has a lot of things.
I think they're starting to decorate.
Well, she has things here.
I've got little things.
Well, maybe I can get you something.
No, that's next weekend.
I'm on a long weekend trip.
Well, she has too much to do to get ready for the trip.
And Julie and David are going to go to Tennessee Saturday.
that fly in here, or Friday night, Friday night, that fly back in here, and they'll be here with us Saturday and Sunday.
And I think...
She told me that she's really tired.
She said even, of course, if she's all night to play cards, she's too tired to play games of cards.
She thinks it's a great affair, but she's just not there in a while.
You know, I think these things are contagious.
And Julia's there, and she don't miss being out and getting cold.
There's something there that you were going to enter somebody in.
I don't know who it was.
And on the plane, there's the one place they're all closed in.
You know, you just do it.
You must have something in your heart.
Our life has been, our life is so hard.
We saw Joe, we were running around.
He was laying on the side.
He and a lot of his friends want to do everything they can.
All day long.
All day long.
I just hope they've got somebody with them, you know, to settle.
You know, all through the years.
He can't carry the dates or stuff.
I don't understand half of what I do.
Because I haven't talked to others for so long.
Well, I don't know.
He said no one ever said he can't carry anything.
Well, I don't know.
I haven't faced it.
But some ordinary people say he can't.
We need it, we need it, but we also need everybody else, right?
Yeah, and he's trying to give me the answer by saying he can't.
You know, I don't think anybody else is commenting on Vice President, but saying maybe Vice President would like another job, but he doesn't think you could drop him when you're there.
What do you think?
Some people said last weekend, well, can the other Vice President make me a job?
I think Reagan's politically dumb, thinking only of Reagan.
And sometimes that works for me.
You know, I wanted to ask you a question.
Yes, you should.
I wanted to ask you, you don't know me yet, because that day you and I had an interview or something.
I came in and talked to you at one time.
And one of them, I'd like you to be aware of him, so you would say the right thing.
15, which I think is quite beautiful.
Three, from what it is, was done a doctor and it was sent to you.
And this was done by a complete, Mr. Johnson was completely paralyzed in both arms and legs.
And the patient at this waist dropped her very soft on the floor.
And the patient said, you know, so I thought I'd show you that and show you where it went at that time.
Because she wrote it.
But I didn't think something like that makes better sense than the same old hospital work.
We can have it typed up, though.
Again.
Well, they want me to do two or three things, but I think this.
I think what I'm going to say is that you will recall the letter you sent Mr. Johnson and the picture wasn't, the painting wasn't attached.
Here it is.
And then I can say you will recall that to be the completeness of the painting or something like that.
Because I think it's something different than just, and I'm going to say it and pull out some good FYIs if I can.
give you something like that, right?
Because it's so funny, you're trying to dictate a letter.
Oh, I got to dictate a letter.
I'll just say it one time.
I'll post it, and I'll say it one time.
I'll post it on the next phone call.
That's right, that's right.
I'll just say that rather than have you say it.
Yeah, and I just thought that this, and I'll give a few words on it, and I think that something on that could well be brought to me.
That's fantastic.
Or holding that thing in his toes, I think.
No, not toes, in his mouth.
Doesn't have any toes in it.
Apparently.
I'll have all that down, but it reminds you that this is the song.
And I really think it's quite good.
I couldn't do that with both arms.
I just got a phone call yesterday about that writer.
Do you want me to call him and tell him how lucky they are that she's gone?
Well, he said it.
He told me one minute and he said two minutes.
And she's gone five numbers.
And she's so damn lucky to be playing in the White House now.
But maybe we just won't call him.
If he brings it up to me, then I'll tell him not to do it.
No, I'm suggesting you don't.
You've got something about him.
That if David doesn't, don't touch him.
Oh, yeah.
He would love to go, of course, to China and do the self-portraits and what have you.
Just refer this over to, um, he can't be a so special person.
But you know, if you have any special interest at all, and you want to take magnificent pictures, you also would want to be sitting on his shoulder, I'm afraid.
And let Ron talk to him every time.
Why don't I ask Ron to talk to him?
Yeah, Ron, just put it to Ron.
Ron can say it now and talk to him.
No, I don't need him to talk to me.
He does that most.
Well, he does talk.
I don't think that's him.
I saw Dave George sitting in the back.
I see that.
And you know, I don't know if you want to say anything.
Well, getting clear.
I'm talking, I'm working on that.
I got the job done for him.
It was to play football, and this is where we are, and this was something that happened 25 years ago, forget it.
I thought we'd be careful how we say it, because that's what they want to say about this.
No, I don't know.
He didn't steal his documents.
No.
I know him.
I'm asking about him.
He said that every time he found something, they had something.
But he was a good little man, and I followed what he said.
I wouldn't rob.
I would simply sell it based on what he said.
I haven't actually filed one yet.
One other thing, I forgot to bring a letter in.
John McCloy wrote and sent it over to me.
I took it in and asked about it.
But he wants very desperately for you to appoint the four new members for that.
Four new members are put in one before Congress is adopted for Christmas.
Because he said so many of them are busy on other things and that they really aren't, you know.
Or if it's a block, the arms control.
It's that one that gives you the back, you know, the, can I go in and do this?
And then they ask you what you can do.
Well, he's in charge of the arms control.
Yeah, and he said, like, roughly six.
And what we've done.
And they're, and, and, uh, Stanton is busy on, you know, on the pre-order, whatever he's on.
And, as a result, they really, they really need to have new members.
And, um, the, the names really should go in before Christmas, before they go out.
All right.
I just wanted to be sure that that's who did it.
Sure, sure, sure.
We'll talk about it when we get a visit.
All right.
Because they didn't want it, because they wanted to come, like, you know, two years, because they didn't like that.
But he got it in the name, because he wanted to come.
She's been upset over two or three times.
Well, no, I accept that now.
In fact, she just wanted me to share these thoughts.
What is it about China?
I know.
And I'm a good writer.
What I was learning was trying to write her and say, maybe I will.
I'll call her and talk to her about the peace of the world.
Maybe I can do that.
I wonder how she feels about Jews.
I don't know.
I don't get it.
You know what happens, though, is that everyone
who has been around as long as she has.
At one point or another, almost every Jew you ever know turns into someone else.
Well, it doesn't have to go off.
I think you should call it off.
I think you should call it off.
You say that you're thinking about her, and the President is better than her.
And he said, just don't judge until you see what happens here.
He's prepared, and he did the money that we're going to go through, and that's why you're setting up all these meetings in Kansas right now, aren't you?
That's what I wanted to ask you.
We're not going to have any talks of how this goes for Alabama, but what I'm thinking about basically is
It had to do with the fact that the Chinese had involved us already in two wars, one in Korea and one in Vietnam.
And it cost them almost $100,000 a day.
And the purpose of this is to talk to the Chinese, to see what we had to do.
And from the inside, as we had done, and from the outside, I had no illusions about it.
This is very, very important.
The reason we can't provide is very, very important in terms of our policy toward the Soviet.
And the way that we keep the Soviet from getting involved in the Second World War.
realizing that we should turn the other way.
This is the Soviet summit, which is very important.
Well, that's all right.
And I can see it.
I'd like to do that.
But I can't really tell how... Well, she likes me, you know.
Now, one day, the video that I did of the Redskins practice, the building secretary, Maggie Randall, who said that she had been here in Williams College, and the building nurse was calling, and she asked how they could get to you when they really needed you.
Well, that day, they had called, and
10-09 they called.
Then they called back at 3-30 in the afternoon and somebody said, you know, you're out watching football.
They put this bad hand in my hand.
Um, she just wanted to know.
So I'm going to tell her that it's true.
I think that it's true because they told Henry to tell you that it's true.
And I don't suppose Henry does.
Oh, yeah.
If he did, he would have told her.
What was the date?
It was the, uh, 23rd.
The 23rd, huh?
The 23rd of the football game.
Oh, sorry.
The 23rd.
He called in the morning at 10 in the morning.
Now, I'm not trying to criticize at the end, but I just thought, you know, I had to call 90 then.
What time was it?
What time did he call?
10 o'clock.
He called first.
And 90 called that secretary and stopped the call.
They told him that they had told all about the call before he went to the football practice.
That's what's bad about it.
There's even people that I've talked to somewhere who say, oh, I forgot my towel.
Oh, yeah.
This is very funny.
Because when they called the first time I was in a meeting with Colin, he almost probably was taking all of me.
So they didn't interrupt that.
They were one of those people.
I didn't take all of them until he did.
Yeah.
And then I think, what kind of a thing did they do?
I thought I had more.
I thought I had Governor Sargent.
No, Governor Sargent was the afternoon.
And they said they'd call again in the afternoon.
I mean, he's over-intensive.
He thinks that this is probably .
They're all in the first place.
The first time you called, I was in a meeting, so that's it.
The second time, I was probably on my way out to the residence.
Well, what happened was that they told them they had told you before you left.
Oh, that's stupid.
I should have said that.
That's right.
So I'm going to stop that because my $7 watch has been, well, I'm sorry.
Oh, yeah.
So...
I'm going to tell her that was just a mistake.
And if she has any real problems, and it is a vital thing to get through, I'm going to let me know, and I'll come up with an answer on what the problem is.
Well, why don't you tell me, say, as to, first, if the problem is his fault, and later it's on my desk.
As a matter of fact, this is the only time an officer's on my desk.
That's true.
Larry says it.
Rachel says it.
Colin says it.
None of them are on the desk.
Roger says.
But if you're in, you may get to know about that.
Sure, sure.
The media is.
The phone is cut off by the media.
So if I'm here at home, you can always hear that.
But if I get any questions, if you ever have a question, don't call me.
You'll walk in and tell me about Tom.
He doesn't need to be in Sanford.
She said he didn't know, and he well might not, because she might just have been very disturbed.
He just told her that I was very surprised to learn that I got it.
And I want to be sure that it wasn't actually the phone that he should know, that he could release it, and that it wasn't his phone that was on my desk.
So whenever you've got anything where you want to get to, just give me a ring.
Well, you can call me.
Well, it is important.
There are many people here in the world, and I need to step out.
So if you've got anything you want us to read, just let me know.
Okay.
And I think that's a good idea.
Don't you?
Like, say, this is the painting that you require.
I'll give you a picture of the name on it.
I think it gives you a chance to say something about somebody that's very...
I wonder if the people from the 18th conference have been in there.
They are.
All of us, I thought we were happy.
That Jack walking with jerseys on, of course he's walking on top of mine.
We can go out any of them to see what's on there.
They're such nice people, nice people.
I'll need something now.
It's too bad we didn't wish to come again one day.
Oh, well, he did that for the sale, to be honest.
It couldn't be more pleased with his company.
That's great, you know, he's got something to do.
He went to the state, you know, he's got all the information on it.
I think most people do that, Jack Moore.
He went to the state theater.
You know, he took time.
In the end, it was just that I was going to have to go to some other type of industry company.
What's that?
I don't know.
Jack White, Bob McMahon, head of the Bishop of San Diego.
He's on that council page.
He's here for something else in the Bishop's office.
And he writes in, and poor old Bob Kane.
And you know, there are 50 people like him.
I feel so sorry because, you know, a lot of them do.
Like Bob Kane, he's pretty clear on everything.
But damn it, we tried to help Bob, brothers.
I think one of them, Brian and Bob, and Bob said he needs his work a lot more than he is.
And God damn it, he isn't.
Bob, basically, is a good, sane man.
But he isn't up to running any roads.
You know the reason that Bob Ransom has to really make it is that he doesn't have any ideas.
You know what?
He really would have been good at it.
I think he would have been good at it.
He would be, because he could originate the conversation that he could talk about.
He's smart.
But Roger is the fact.
He can't originate a conversation.
No, he just isn't.
Now, Bob would have been good at that.
Hard to do.
But he's got the discoverer in a million and a half years.
He's like God.
God's got something to prove.
Every time he turns around.
Well, take care of your clothes.
Get rid of it now.